Post: #51

Another way to go that I have seen work is to hook up with ex-girlfriends. Of course, you choose the ones that are mentally stable and with whom you had a good relationship and more-or-less amicable breakup. They need to live in a geographically separated place and you get together with them maybe once a year. If they have a current LTR, married or boyfriend, it's even better because you have less worry about them chasing you after your yearly encounter. I've found them to be very understanding and cooperative of the situation, perhaps because they use are using the hook-up for the same reason that you are using it for.

Post: #52

@detroit playas

I highly recommend fucking your sons babysitter.

Here's why I am doing it:

She is hot as hell.
She is easily available to me.
She can cum just from sucking my cock because she gets off on being a secret naughty slut.
She appears to be a good church going girl but in reality she is my cum guzzling whore and I tell her that while I am fucking her pretty face. Telling her what a filthy dirty whore she is makes her cum instantly. The worse I treat her the more she eats it up.


Here's how I rationalize I won't get divorced:

Let's say things go real bad and she tries to rat me out. Fucking the babysitter is so cliche almost no one would believe it. Not to mention she is a hot coed 15 years younger than myself. I think I could gaslight my way out of this if it comes to that point. I really doubt it would because every time I take a picture of this girl getting a faceful of cum or a cock in her ass she begs me to never show these to her friends or family. I simply smile and say you keep my secrets and I keep yours. We both have a little laugh and start fucking. The best part is these sluts can't get enough of you. The sneaking around gets these girls wetter than any chump on a dinner date could ever dream of doing.

Cheating with a college coed babysitter is something I highly recommend if you have the nerves. It is obviously not a lock that you won't get caught but it's a risk/reward situation and I am glad I didn't pussy out on this deal.

Post: #53

Fucking the babysitter is shitting where you eat, too much risk.

Post: #54

I somewhat agree with you and see your point. Fucking the babysitter like I choose to do is definitely not for everyone. You must be able to back this up with effective damage control if need be. I did not get to the level in life I currently am by not taking some tremendous risks. The key is not just having balls but also having an escape route planned out just in case... You married guys out there should have your wives locked down so they know for a fact that they are better off with you than without. Do not let them dictate the tempo of the relationship. They should be qualifying themselves to you everyday and divorce should not even be in their vocabulary. This is your job as a husband to set the tone and not be a pussy.

The term a lot of people throw around "not shitting where you eat" can sometimes be used as a crutch or a reason to not take risks. If I get caught I am still better off for doing this than most people who only dream of this sort of thing and will have no regrets.

Every situation needs to be well thought out and calculated as if it were a chess match. Don't lose the match because you decided not to play.

Post: #55

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Post: #56

Nice thread. Manip. How did you game her? I mean bridging that uncomfortable step of sexualizing a relationship with a girl 15 years younger that knows you are married and her boss?

I think I've decided being discrete is the best scenario.

I've had relationships where they are open and I share every detail, where they are open and I don't share details and where they are not open and I just cheat without either party ever thinking about or mentioning the topic of other women. It is by far the happiest scenario. Girls will give you permission for an open relationship but then later on say it was cheating or guilt trip you. In my case I even had the gold standard one sided open relationships.

Still, I have concluded that it is much better to just never have the thought cross her mind. I have officially decided that philosophically the principle of maximizing my girls happiness is of a higher order than never omitting information from her.

My thoughts..
Good tips in this thread about avoiding stuff like getting caught due to your phone or girls' hairs and stuff at your place and all that ..

I like my situation of casually dating a girl (1) with a nice apt who (2) would never have any reason to come over to my area .. I fuck a decent amount of girls at my place with no problem.
She also (3) never is nosy about what I do when I'm not around her and has never ever mentioned the topic of other girls
Partly because I see her all the time.. Many times a week .. I just fit some girls on my days off and it works out great.
She also knows I don't use Facebook and am not even really that reachable by phone.

To me it's a turn on to go back to fucking my main girl and kind of mentally thanking her for "letting" me fuck other girls without ever even speaking a word about the subject.

That said, the burden is on me to be responsible for making sure she is never hurt. In the end 100% can't be guaranteed and your tradeoff between protecting her from finding out and limiting your options depends on how much you care about her and how much you have to lose.

Another little thing .. Be really careful about marks... Especially scratches on your back that you won't see unless you make a point if looking for them. I almost got myself in trouble with this recently..

I am worried about something happening like the (not so) "random" bad luck of crossing paths with someone or being spotted by a friend of the girl you are with when you are out with another girl ..

In my case I give myself certain neighborhoods to game in and not others but there is always the chance of an unlikely encounter..

My overall philosophy is do everything you possibly can to avoid even creating a hint of suspicion and everyone involved will be happier. I wouldn't be able to be as good to her as I am and have the feelings for her that I do if I resented her for my sexual frustration. Again with the random turnons-- I like thinking of my gratefulness for her while I'm fucking my girls on the side.

We will see if I still feel the same way for a long time to come. Getting caught could definitely change that.

Post: #57

Last night, we head to Red Lobster of all places. Being mother's day it's packed. Tall chick is the waitress; obviously Eastern European. Easily a 7. Very friendly. I'm there with my father-in-law and his son, my brother-in-law.

I spit game at the waitress in the guise of being friendly as I want my brother-in-law to pick this shit up.

Eventually, my wife gets in with the rest of the family.

I somehow want to ask the waitress her nationality. So I ask my wife what do you think her nationality is. We banter about it back and forth. Now I am opened up and ask her directly as in "we" were wondering what you were. I guess right, Lithuanian.

As we are ordering, I pretend to not know how to pronounce some "a la mode" shit on the menu. As the waitress comes by I pronounce it playfully and say some shit like "we're both not french so neither of us can be sure how to say it."

My wife then accuses me of flirting and said at least don't do it in front of everyone. I had to then explain myself out of that one.

Waitress brings back the brownie a la mode and pronounces it the way I pronounced it and jokes about how we're both not french again. Hmmm.

I think that makes two women that knew I was flirting. Unfortunately one was my wife, and I wasn't flirting with her.

Post: #58

(05-12-2014 06:22 PM)Cobra Wrote:  I think that makes two women that knew I was flirting. Unfortunately one was my wife, and I wasn't flirting with her.

Dread game. Keep it up.

Post: #59

@Bacan:
I am not a smooth operator and I don't have much game.
What I do have though is what these 20 something's find appealing: decent looks, natural kindness towards others, and a little money. I do not flaunt money whatsoever but it is obvious by my lifestyle. What I find that works for me is simply being charming and humble -- this wets their panties nicely. I am flirtatious with most women by nature. If the girl is even semi attractive I am flirting with her in some manner. I often do this without even realizing it as it is just my nature. My wife will call me out on this at times and I had no clue I was even being flirtatious.
Now back to the babysitter... Here's how I got things going with her:
One day when we were alone I came up behind her to reach for something that was over her head and let my left hand rub against her ass in the process. She didn't flinch an inch and before I knew it I had my hands full of college titties. Humility coupled with raw nerve is a powerful combination.

Post: #60

To you gents doing the babysitters that's serious balls and/or completely nuts either way kudos!
Just to touch on Cobra's input, "and said at least don't do it in front of everyone." Plausible deniability is hamster prozac sometimes it's amazing what you can get away with as long as its done discretely.

Post: #61

(12-23-2011 11:53 AM)satanova77 Wrote:  Fellas I need some advice here....Me and a fellow married playboy have been bouncing around the idea to start a joint blog called "Married but Single"....which is truly our lifestyle...both of us live in different cities but get together often to game....both have acquired single pads within our own cities so logistics is easy as 1-2-3 now....truly we are living any guys dream...making big money...psuedo happy married life with kids at home....and banging hot lizards on the side in a tricked out bachelor pad...combine that with our work that involves travels....and you have every week full of stories that only a "Married but Single" guy can put out...

Now the dilemma is that if we do start a blog...it will have to be very discrete and untraceable otherwise if wives or someone they know finds it and traces back to us its written corroborated evidence which will hold up in divorce court...

The positive side is that we hope to develop a following of lizards who are intrigued bythe lifestyle and want in so we can bang even more hotter women....

I cant decide....whether to take this plunge or not...part of me wants really badly to tell my story before i start losing my memory of adventures due to high levels of alcohol and weed....

thoughts?

Read "How to Be Invisible." Just a couple basic ideas - use a nominee for all accounts associated with the website and any payment sources if you're going to monetize. You can even have the nominee upload all the articles to the site for you by sending them over via email.

Obviously, you'll need to be paying the nominee, and make sure it's someone that would never blackmail you.

Make an excruciating effort to never give away what city you're in or any related details.

You may want to scratch the idea of pulling groupies off the site, though, as that just leaves far too much room for error.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #62

NEVER shit on your own doorstep. This means women within at least a five mile radius of where you live. Sooner or later you will risk your marriage falling apart after a jealous partner sees you hand in hand wife your wife at the mall.

Use online game as much as possible. You control the time you put into it and if you are careful about logging out each time and deleting history you will leave few breadcrumbs. Also online you can decide whether or not you tell them you are married. My a dive is not to tell them as it will lower your hit rate but make it clear that you do not want a relationship. Tell them you have a gf but you are unhappy. They will understand your need to be discreet but not feel so bad that they will flake.

Get a job that involves some travel. Do your homework online before you get there. If you cannot do this have a hobby that requires travel, fishing, golf, photography etc.

Don't get a second phone. You don't need it and if she finds it she will know or at least strongly suspect. Pay all bills with cash so you have no credit card statements to show anything.

Always use condoms. An STD is kind of tough to explain. I know, I have been there and it wasn't easy.

Above all make sure that the girl knows you are not into a relationship. Don't sweet talk her too much. Treat her like a lady when with her but when you are not don't chase her or even contact her. Train her to really enjoy being spoiled by you when you are with her but to not contact you otherwise.

Do not give her your phone number, business card, company name or address. Make something up if she pushes it. Develop an alternative self that you can speak confidently about. She should have no easy way to track you if you decide to drop her.

Be respectful with her. If you need to drop her she should still like you. If she develops feelings and wants more of you just say you are far too busy in work and that you are thinking of rebuilding the relationship with ur gf

Post: #63

I have been bit inactive on the forum lately but Beyond Borders is right. Discretoin is must.

I have attained another level lately but the stress can rise to where you are not enjoying the game anymore or the sex that comes as a reward.

However I can safely say I live the life others dream of but its definitely not easy. You have to hustle and game like a single player while also maintaining the home front both time wise and financially.

At the end, its about how much time I have.