British Politics Thread

Not too long to the Snap Election in Britain and this thread is so quite?

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(05-01-2017 01:08 PM)IronShark Wrote:  Not too long to the Snap Election in Britain and this thread is so quite?

I think it's because the overwhelming view is that it can only go in one direction.

May's opponents are so pathetic, to take part in a TV debate would be pointless. Why share a stage with those losers and nutcases?

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There's a general election thread that already exists. There's not much foreign interest in it because none of the candidates are alt-right darlings, unlike Le Pen/Trump.

I don't think our electorate will elect a Le Pen/Trump sort of character unless we have terror attacks similar in magnitude to those France has suffered. Although I'd like to think we'd be less passive than the French have been if 80 Brits got run over by a truck.

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Tell you what though, Tony Blair getting in on the action must make a lot of old Labourites moist. If that guy can come back and woo people to his cause and enlists the Dark Lord (Mandelson) for political tactics the Tories will struggle in the 2020s. They have free reign to do what they please at the minute so he see's an opportunity.

Corbyn is useful in the way that Tories get fat and lazy and don't see the real threat growing. May should hope that Le Pen wins because Macron will be used as a blunt hammer against the UK.

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I think Blair is too far gone in terms of public opinion to stand again. What we need to watch out for is the globalists inserting an Obama/Macron type in to British politics, probably in the next Labour leadership election.

Luckily the voters in the Labour leadership election is made up of hardcore socialists (as opposed to the rather centre leaning Parliamentary Labour Party group of MP's), so are likely to just try and elect Corbyn 2.0 instead of candidate that will have a better chance of winning.

Lastly I'd also say that the UK now is a vastly different place to 1997, 2001 and even 2005. Was immigration as big an issue in 1997 as it is now? Probably not.

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UKIP Nigel Farage Hosts LBC Show – The EU Comparison To The Mafia

http://rightahead.news/ukip-nigel-farage...the-mafia/

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(05-01-2017 06:23 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Tell you what though, Tony Blair getting in on the action must make a lot of old Labourites moist. If that guy can come back and woo people to his cause and enlists the Dark Lord (Mandelson) for political tactics the Tories will struggle in the 2020s. They have free reign to do what they please at the minute so he see's an opportunity.

Corbyn is useful in the way that Tories get fat and lazy and don't see the real threat growing. May should hope that Le Pen wins because Macron will be used as a blunt hammer against the UK.

I have to agree with Britchard. Tony Blair's brand is utterly toxic amongst pretty much every demographic, despite GQ's laughable attempts to rehabilitate him a few years ago. If it's not the Iraq war, it's the years and years of spin, the years after leaving office of cashing in on the speaker and business circuit, and finally being a Middle East peace envoy without anything to show for it.

What they need is David Miliband, who has also reportedly been trying to edge his way back in.

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Who says Tony Blair will be the face and whose to say the younger generations will not vote for him? His main enemies are found in Baby Boomers and Gen X but a lot of die hard Labour supporters are in these camps too but here is the issue.

Older millenials in their 30s now were just entering high school when Blair got in and we saw the toxic ideology first hand which includes the wars, immigration, socialism, marxism, political correctness etc as we grew up into our 20s. A lot of us believed in that shit too (only the wars for me, nothing else) and guess what? We were sold out and the Gen X and baby boomer shrigged their shoulders.

Now they go on about how they were betrayed. I agree but lets be honest here, New Labour won two terms and it was plainly obvious what they were doing.

Tony plays the long game because that is how he was taught by the types who formed and host the Bidlerberg group. He was a part of the group prior to winning so it all came together and you can link that point to here in 2017.

New Labour opened the door to change within the UK and weaponised immigration, political correctness and social justice and they did it in a very good way. Like we have with the Tories now, there was no opposition to speak of and they had more than a decade to carry out plans.

Two generations grew up with New Labour at the forefront of their minds and then the new Tories. The generations coming up behind will have no anchor point to hate the party Blair will help to create and he doesn't have to lead it because a fresh faced man will lead it.

What that man will look like is anyones guess but he will appeal across many demographs and economic levels. New shirt, same shit.

The big problem here is by the time that comes around most of the boomers are dead, Gen X are approaching retirement age, millenials will make up the bulk of voters in middle age demographs and 2 younger generations will have voting age rights.

Two generations who are gullible and starry eyed. This shit is not finished by a long shot.

The last big fuck you to New Labour and Blair was Brexit and soon to be the next General Election and it is going to be giving the Tories absolutely no opposition.

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The difference between the Thatcher generation and New Labour generation is remarkable. Millennials in the U.K are beyond fucked now. I would say the majority have useless degrees and low job prospects, let alone the ability to start a house and a family, and that is just talking about the middle classes. Immigration was weaponised, exactly, as they said themselves 'we will rub their noses in it', meaning diversity. Now this has been spread to countryside towns and places like Swindon, that didn't have it before. Culturally that changes the dynamics in small towns, by interesting drug gangs from the big cities etc. Local councils receive danger money for taking in gang members, and this is something which even the tabloids haven't understood yet.

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I too look on with increasing worry about the state of the UK. I still love the UK, especially my part of it, but I am seriously considering moving abroad in the future. Immigration/diversity is a ticking timebomb and relations don't seem to be improving.

The entire culture is vapid and soulless. Lots of millennials slave away at a desk for 40 hours a week just to get off their face on alcohol at the weekend. They are more concerned about having pictures taken with the 'boys' or 'girls' on holiday in Spain than starting a family. It is quite literally a mass brainwashing.

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^Curious as to where you would move too?

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(05-03-2017 12:04 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Curious as to where you would move too?

I know that my time on this Earth is finite, and I am determined to make the most of it and see all of the beauty it holds. Ideally I would make base somewhere (for working and healthcare and social ties etc..) and then use that as a springboard to explore the world.

My problem is that the world is ever changing and within 10 years places that seem attractive now could be awful, and vice versa. Are we going to go another 20 years without a major war? Probably not. Fuck, I'm young enough to even have the chance to travel to the Moon or Mars before I become too aged to do so.

I wouldn't want to be completely isolated ethnically, so perhaps somewhere like South Africa or New Zealand. Most likely a Commonwealth country, although Eastern Europe is also nice.

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(05-03-2017 12:00 PM)britchard Wrote:  I too look on with increasing worry about the state of the UK. I still love the UK, especially my part of it, but I am seriously considering moving abroad in the future. Immigration/diversity is a ticking timebomb and relations don't seem to be improving.

The entire culture is vapid and soulless. Lots of millennials slave away at a desk for 40 hours a week just to get off their face on alcohol at the weekend. They are more concerned about having pictures taken with the 'boys' or 'girls' on holiday in Spain than starting a family. It is quite literally a mass brainwashing.

I'd move it was not for my job that I enjoy.

Central London is great for the history, international girls and restaurants/bars etc.

The U.K was hit hard by cultural marxism and filled in the missing gaps of the culture throughout the Blair years with pointless materialism.

I just want to see our economy catch up with the mentality of our culture. I really can't imagine many people in my age group having kids anytime soon. Plus from first hand experience, second generation immigrants seem to have more animosity towards white Brits despite there being hardly any of them around.

The irony of it all, is that besides the 'salt of the earth' working class types which you can still find hunkered down in pubs up and down the country. I mostly get on with international students and Eastern European immigrants. They seem to get it.

Your average subscriber to modern British culture is a waste of space.

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(05-03-2017 12:37 PM)britchard Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 12:04 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Curious as to where you would move too?

I know that my time on this Earth is finite, and I am determined to make the most of it and see all of the beauty it holds. Ideally I would make base somewhere (for working and healthcare and social ties etc..) and then use that as a springboard to explore the world.

My problem is that the world is ever changing and within 10 years places that seem attractive now could be awful, and vice versa. Are we going to go another 20 years without a major war? Probably not. Fuck, I'm young enough to even have the chance to travel to the Moon or Mars before I become too aged to do so.

I wouldn't want to be completely isolated ethnically, so perhaps somewhere like South Africa or New Zealand. Most likely a Commonwealth country, although Eastern Europe is also nice.

Good thing with being British, is that the rest of the world hasn't sussed out yet, that most of us are shit. Do three to four years in London in whatever sector and make some effort to learn a second language; and you could move to most places around the world. And I am not talking about being a TEFL teacher. Plus our perceived sexual market value as English blokes is ridiculously high.

I think the only issue for expats, is that a lot of them seem to be escaping. So they become TEFL teachers for longer than they should, or work in fields that are really not interesting for them. In the long run it catches up with them and they move back to the U.K with less opportunities than when they left.

It is why it is paramount to move somewhere which will help move your chosen career or business forward.

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(05-03-2017 01:28 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 12:37 PM)britchard Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 12:04 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Curious as to where you would move too?

I know that my time on this Earth is finite, and I am determined to make the most of it and see all of the beauty it holds. Ideally I would make base somewhere (for working and healthcare and social ties etc..) and then use that as a springboard to explore the world.

My problem is that the world is ever changing and within 10 years places that seem attractive now could be awful, and vice versa. Are we going to go another 20 years without a major war? Probably not. Fuck, I'm young enough to even have the chance to travel to the Moon or Mars before I become too aged to do so.

I wouldn't want to be completely isolated ethnically, so perhaps somewhere like South Africa or New Zealand. Most likely a Commonwealth country, although Eastern Europe is also nice.

Good thing with being British, is that the rest of the world hasn't sussed out yet, that most of us are shit. Do three to four years in London in whatever sector and make some effort to learn a second language; and you could move to most places around the world. And I am not talking about being a TEFL teacher. Plus our perceived sexual market value as English blokes is ridiculously high.

I think the only issue for expats, is that a lot of them seem to be escaping. So they become TEFL teachers for longer than they should, or work in fields that are really not interesting for them. In the long run it catches up with them and they move back to the U.K with less opportunities than when they left.

It is why it is paramount to move somewhere which will help move your chosen career or business forward.

There is one obvious country that ticks all of those boxes - America. Were I not tied by family I'd have packed up and moved there by now. For me personally, America has always been the obvious choice, and I've felt a real pull for as long as I can remember. Maybe because I grew up on a diet of Cowboys and Indians - who knows. The New Hampshire motto of 'live free or die' has always brought a smile to my lips - a little nod of recognition to an attitude I love, and which is all but gone here in England.

The broader outlook in the UK is indeed very dreary for the most part. Despite that, even now, the only way for an Englishman to upgrade his lot is to move to America. I don't suppose it will happen for me, given the constraints of a loving and attentive family, but it's fun to daydream about it now and again.

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Who can explain me, in a proper way, why the UK "needs" to pay a vast amount of € (from 80-100 billion) to leave the EU?

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(05-04-2017 04:20 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  Who can explain me, in a proper way, why the UK "needs" to pay a vast amount of € (from 80-100 billion) to leave the EU?

To pay for the bureaucrats pensions. Because there is no money in the EU bank account.

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We've just had the local council elections here in the UK, where parties compete for mayoral positions and seats on councils. If this is any way an indicator of how the general election will go, expect Labour and UKIP to basically disappear (the latter, for the time being). The Tories took massive, massive gains from pretty much all the other parties. The Lib Dems fightback ended up with them losing a shitload of seats - and local elections is where they have traditionally done much better than national (not difficult, for them). UKIP also took a hammering, although it's thought that UKIP voters are 'lending' their votes to the Tories, who are pushing ahead with Brexit. Labour consider to be utterly fucking unelectable, despite winning the Manchester Mayoral election. Jeremy Corbyn rushed to Manchester to hold an impromptu celebration for the new Mayor, who didn't even fucking turn up.

I hope the general election goes the same way, partly for the lulz, but also because this is such a great chance of purging the utter cancer these fucking Marxists are from the country.

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We've seen plenty of wolves in sheep clothing within the tory party a las Corby AKA Louise Mensch.

But a very strong Tory majority most definitely helps push Brexit through and give a clear solid mandate for the next 5 years.

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(05-03-2017 01:16 AM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 06:23 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Tell you what though, Tony Blair getting in on the action must make a lot of old Labourites moist. If that guy can come back and woo people to his cause and enlists the Dark Lord (Mandelson) for political tactics the Tories will struggle in the 2020s. They have free reign to do what they please at the minute so he see's an opportunity.

Corbyn is useful in the way that Tories get fat and lazy and don't see the real threat growing. May should hope that Le Pen wins because Macron will be used as a blunt hammer against the UK.

I have to agree with Britchard. Tony Blair's brand is utterly toxic amongst pretty much every demographic, despite GQ's laughable attempts to rehabilitate him a few years ago. If it's not the Iraq war, it's the years and years of spin, the years after leaving office of cashing in on the speaker and business circuit, and finally being a Middle East peace envoy without anything to show for it.

What they need is David Miliband, who has also reportedly been trying to edge his way back in.

This was Blarite Burnham's excuse

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...ster-rally

Quote:Burnham told the BBC: “I had made it clear … that I wouldn’t be able to be at the rally at 7 o’clock, because I had a lot of commitments, including family commitments. Jeremy came, fair enough, because people wanted to enjoy the moment.”

His spiel reminds me of the excuses a women makes when she doesn't want to tell you directly that she is not interested in you.

Corbyn has been under attack from the rank and file Blairites from Day One. They have used every method to undermine him and the Labour Party even if it means helping the Tories to a huge majority. They are prepared to kill their own party or any hope of a clear Left-Right cleavage re-emerging in UK politics. It doesn't help matters that Corbyn looks very weak and indecisive. If I was Corbyn, I would have long ago purged the Blairites and started the process of rebuilding the Labour Party into the vanguard of the genuine Left and away from the Cultural Marxist-identity politics, PC bullshit that was so synonymous under Blair.

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Prepare for Britain to endure a shit-filled sandwich this summer on multiple fronts and all the cowards coming out saying we should never have left.

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(05-07-2017 03:07 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Prepare for Britain to endure a shit-filled sandwich this summer on multiple fronts and all the cowards coming out saying we should never have left.

I'm already well used to it.

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I really don't know why Corbyn allowed this election.

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(05-07-2017 04:53 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  I really don't know why Corbyn allowed this election.

I really don't know why that Diane Abbot is seen as anything but a joke, a dangerous one too. A fat, loud-mouthed, racist black woman with hardcore champagne socialist beliefs and no class or situational intelligence within a mile of her big mouth that makes you wince in anticipation of her gobshite blabberings.

People would still vote Labour regardless and let her have her way with the country. If the future has new laws implemented to ensure morons cannot vote then so be it.

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