RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
(02-25-2017 06:35 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:
(02-25-2017 06:23 PM)Captain Gh Wrote: There's a guy I used worked with who was big on conspiracies... and he told me there's a urban legend about a man who made his car run on water and something else, don't remember, but it was very cheap and homemade.
The water car! ARRRRRGGGGG! This nonsense gets dragged up now and again since the 1970s.
To get work out of a substance, you need to have it go to a lower energy state. In the gas of say methane CH4 + O2 = CO2 + H2O & Energy (heat). Water is already at a low energy state compared to free hydrogen and oxygen. For a heat engine to work, water would have to move to a new physical state, that emits energy (exothermic), that frankly doesn't exist in this universe.
RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
(02-25-2017 06:23 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:
(01-15-2017 02:10 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote: You can probably now create crude out of CO2 and water, but still no organic reproduction.
There's a guy I used worked with who was big on conspiracies... and he told me there's a urban legend about a man who made his car run on water and something else, don't remember, but it was very cheap and homemade. Dude started making videos about it... and wanted to write a book on it. Dude apparently disappeared so fast it's not even funny! Always believed it! That's a cartel not to mess with since there's Billions & Billions involved. They'll let you babble about Feminism & liberal to a certain point (Case in point Milo) - but say something Oil ... well you know!
It's not water in this usual form that they use and boil it or something, but I guess your guy had Foster Gamble's budget and travelled around the world to meet with inventors:
There are companies in Japan, India and heck - I even saw a Polish guy do it.
But yeah - believe what you want.
Go ahead and fucking "debunk" why Nitinol (which is based on geo-magnetic earth energy) energy creation is not a thing. Also note how many fucking government agencies across the world have been working on it since the 1940s and NOTHING.
The temperature difference is minimal - literally sufficient to have tap-water and water from a brook outside and it works tremendously well.
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I'll concede that abiotic oil may or may not be true, but those alternative energy sources - there is such an overwhelming amount of evidence - jeez. Foster Gamble from the P&G family literally travelled to the inventors and saw it with his fucking own eyes even hiring engineers to check it out - those things are true.
One of the easiest ways to get killed in our world is to go into those inventions and put them out for sale to the public - there was even once an engineer who created a rather big company - he even had talks in the UN in the 1970s. His geo-magnetic electricity generators were already mass-produced when he suddenly died and his company was buried quickly.
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As to when coal liquification is viable or at what price?
First of all - on the topic of gas and the US and many countries just burning it. It is one of those moronic things they do. Eastern Europeans drive frequently on gas, because it is 50% cheaper - otherwise many would not be able to have a car.
The same technology can be used in the West, but the corporations make better dough not giving it to you. So that is one thing.
Another matter is the viability in terms of pricing as far as either liquid gas or coal liquification is concerned.
Personally I would just fucking say to the Saudis and the model-shitting Gulf states: GO FUCK YOURSELF - WE ARE GOING TO PRODUCE OUR OWN OIL! Most Western countries incl. China have enough coal to last us for a thousand years. I would rather hire American and Western workers, create lots of well-paid jobs and also take into account that crude will be at over 100$ because you cut out the terrorist-loving Islamists.
Sure - you would have higher prices at the gas pump, but you would have tens of millions of men making six digits across Western countries. The man-cession would be fucknig over. Also I would pump out gas-powered stations and producer created modifications from the start - that way you can always cut your fuel costs in half because you pick a LPG car.
Those are even options without going into the alternative technologies if you have a hard time believing in them. I don't blame you, because it seems so impossibly conspiratorial that something so easy could be boycotted so much by so many. But consider this - we live in a world where universities are now claiming with a straight face that women only lack upper-body exercises to rival man in sports or that there are more than 2 genders or that calling someone a he will cause him PTSD trauma. I wish science was free and double-checked and tested by everyone each step of the day - but it is what the globalist elite wants it to be.
02-26-2017 02:55 AM
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
(02-26-2017 02:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote: Personally I would just fucking say to the Saudis and the model-shitting Gulf states: GO FUCK YOURSELF - WE ARE GOING TO PRODUCE OUR OWN OIL! Most Western countries incl. China have enough coal to last us for a thousand years. I would rather hire American and Western workers, create lots of well-paid jobs and also take into account that crude will be at over 100$ because you cut out the terrorist-loving Islamists.
Sure - you would have higher prices at the gas pump, but you would have tens of millions of men making six digits across Western countries. The man-cession would be fucknig over. Also I would pump out gas-powered stations and producer created modifications from the start - that way you can always cut your fuel costs in half because you pick a LPG car.
We don't really depend on middle eastern oil, N. America is completely self sufficient, especially if the price starts climbing back above $60. Proven reserves in Canada and the US have gone up, through the roof recently. The price of oil at the pump wouldn't be any higher, the large supply of oil at or above this price level means that there will be no upside. We're not going to see $100-$150 oil prices again in years to come, barring a war or a major disruption.
We don't depend directly on middle eastern oil, but we do however depend on Petrodollars. When Germany, China or Japan buy oil from Saudi Arabia, Koweit, UAE, Qatar or Bahrain, they have to buy US dollars, thus propping up the US financial system and enabling a structural trade deficit. The currencies of all these Gulf states have been pegged to the US$ since the mid-1970s.
Iran, Iraq under Saddam, Libya under Qaddafi, Sudan were outside that petrodollar system, and had their own debt-freee banking systems. That's why they had to go, or are on the enemy list.
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
(02-26-2017 02:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Go ahead and fucking "debunk" why Nitinol (which is based on geo-magnetic earth energy) energy creation is not a thing. Also note how many fucking government agencies across the world have been working on it since the 1940s and NOTHING.
The temperature difference is minimal - literally sufficient to have tap-water and water from a brook outside and it works tremendously well.
From that video (did you even watch it??)-
Nitinol engines work upon a difference in heat. No mention of geo-magnetic energy so no idea where you're coming from there.
As for temperature difference being minimal- the guy in the video said they needed 'as little as' a 20 degrees centigrade difference. I don't know any brooks twenty degrees warmer than local tap water outside of some hot springs. This was to power a tiny little irrigation pump. They had that engine running off a solar panel water heater. I'd love to know how many watts the engine was putting out, and how many watts a modern solar panel of the same area would provide.
They were also talking about 'scaling it up' to kilowatts or even maybe megawatts. This is nothing in the scheme of large scale power generation. The prototype engines look impressive, but they had no load on them. Very low output.
Yes, it has potential for using waste heat, which is the most common form of energy loss in most applications. However, as with any 'alternative' energy source it's the cost of production and installation that leads to an overall high price for the energy obtained. Example- if you could produce nitinol engines in a compact form that could be added into a cars cooling system then you could get some more MPG. But by the time you've done this, and added a motor to enable you to add power generated into the drivetrain, the benefits/cost ratio is well out of whack. It has potential for reclaiming heat waste from large industrial operations, but there are often easier ways of doing this already in use. Real world example- on a dairy farm waste heat from the milk cooler is used to start the warming up of the wash water, or to warm milk for calves to drink. A nitinol engine would introduce pointless inefficiency here.
To say this is 'free energy' totally misses the point, and is conspiracy theorist's clickbait. There's 'free energy' everywhere, from the sun to wind to the tides. Yet massive government subsidies are needed to get solar panels and tidal generators built because it's so much easier (and more importantly cheaper) to have a one massive centralised power station using a cheap resource to generate power. The cost of oil per kw is insanely cheap, and all the time this is true it will be the dominant energy source.
I don't subscribe to the 'the oil producers are making millions and want to suppress alternative technology' theory. Only recently thousands were laid off because the price made it unviable. This was just due to the Saudis trying to flood the market, the same way US farmers flood the corn market. Personally I happen to think the price of oil to be pretty reasonable for what it can do for mankind. I can do the same in an hour with an excavator as a man could in a week with a shovel. All for a litre of diesel.
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
< Did you even watch it?
Fuck - in the end the female scientist clearly said the massive reaction cannot be explained by the metal or even the added temperature differences.
No one says anything of "free energy" - that term is bullshit. Geo-magnetic field is only around planets where there is a magnetic field that moves around. Those machine would not work away from such a plenet, so it's not really a miraculous free energy.
Whatever - think what you want. Call again if you have enough cash to travel to scientists and hire engineers to check them out.
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
There are a lot of functional water engines out there, haven't had the time to fully research it, it would be interesting to hear from someone who did the legwork:
RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
(02-26-2017 10:53 AM)roberto Wrote: I don't subscribe to the 'the oil producers are making millions and want to suppress alternative technology' theory. Only recently thousands were laid off because the price made it unviable. This was just due to the Saudis trying to flood the market, the same way US farmers flood the corn market. Personally I happen to think the price of oil to be pretty reasonable for what it can do for mankind. I can do the same in an hour with an excavator as a man could in a week with a shovel. All for a litre of diesel.
First of all - yes - the temperature difference is higher than I said - watched the video years ago, but that does not make a difference since you also noted that there are plenty of industrial waste warm-water sources that can be used for this technology. Besides - it is not the only generator system out there.
Frankly I am often amazed on how blue-eyed even Red-Pill men are.
Sure - you did not take the time to study Antony Sutton, Reece Commission on foundations in the 1950s (available on Americandeception.com) or Carroll Quigley - I get it, but:
1) You know that the media lies pretty much about anything
2) You know that the politicians lie about pretty much anything
3) You know that the current sciences with a straight face claim that men and women are absolutely equal, heck - that even gender is assigned after birth because we treat men and women differently!!! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!
4) You know that international trade is fucked up and crazy
5) You know that the immigration policies are fucked up, traiterous and crazy
6) You know that the propaganda of crazy idiotic moronic crap is blasted in all forms of entertainment, media and academia including elementary schools
7) So you know that the system lies to you on politics, real reasons for war, entertainment, media, money creation, economic policies, immigration policies - all sorts of academic subjects like psychology, gender studies, behavioral psychology - now you have the so-called climate science which claimed a mere 10 years ago that we are going to fry and snow in Europe and the US would be a thing of the past
So knowing all this you come here and claim that the globalist moloch which is ultimately based on massive agenda points and exploitation would not be threatened if even one scrappy tiny inventor invents something like a generator that feeds off the earth magnetic constantly moving field, a simple non-patentable cancer cure, an anti-gravity device etc? No - they would not be threatened by all of this, because why should they be? Why should the system ban hemp when it can better replace plastics than plastics itself, they can be a competition to textiles, to meds etc.
Why stop any alternative energy generator when all it would do is crash not only the oil-industry, but also the petrodollar trillion-dollar-system of the US(911 is right - the US currency without the petrodollar at this stage would be in a massive terrible recession, because the currency would crash 80%) - no of course not the scientists would all gladly chuck away and simply abolish everything, abolish the long-term plans - their entire chokehold - yes they would do it all simply because you have your energy generator in your basement and your anti-grav car being propelled by close to nothing.
Nah - you are right - they are lying to us about close to anything, but when "true science" is concerned and their ENTIRE FUCKING TRILLION DOLLAR SYSTEM" - then they are not going to suppress anything.
NO - the reality is that they would rather kill millions than let even one piece of tech come out.
I have studied the topic extensively - there is a ton of details on batteries, generators and inventions that would threaten several of their agenda points.
Frankly - if you don't even entertain the notion of me even being remotely true in that respect, that maybe they could suppress something when 10 trillion $ of their yearly output and money system is hinging on it that such tech is suppressed (and that there are plenty of details out there to give you room for thought) - well then I think that CNN and Huffingtonpost is all you need to know about our world. RVF itself is already a conspiracy theory domain because it believes in Trump, in Game, in male-female differences, in Red Pill.
Little tip - test out how much medical knowledge is suppressed. Next time you have a cold and a severe bout of sore throat - take 15.000 mg of pure vitamin C powder (l-ascorbic acid) - watch how the sore throat disappears within minutes. There - took only 10 cents of a high-dosage vitamin to surpass EVERY BLOODY FUCKING DRUG AVAILABLE AND HAVE AN EFFECT 100 TIMES BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE!
But according to the popular opinion - if the medical industry knew about this, then they would surely share it with us, wouldn't they?
Sure they will - of course - they would love to.
(P.S.: Sorry if I sound too belligerent out there - I usually don't even quarrell with guys I agree with on 90%+ of points in life. I joked to a friend once that I can make anyone a "conspiracy theorists". All you need to do is to read the stuff and see the stuff I have seen. But sometimes people don't have the time or don't bother. In the grand scheme of things this does not matter since we are not going to change it now anyway. Even if I have a generator like that in my basement and show it to you, then this won't change much - I get my energy dirt-cheap, but I couldn't even admit that I have it if anyone comes knocking - let alone sell it to anyone. All it would do is you saying: "Fine, you are right. We can go for a beer now." And that is something that we could have been doing even while saying to agree to disagree at this point and this level of individual information we both each have.)
RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
Forgive me for being lazy and addressing your post via bold in your quote.
(02-27-2017 02:10 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
(02-26-2017 10:53 AM)roberto Wrote: I don't subscribe to the 'the oil producers are making millions and want to suppress alternative technology' theory. Only recently thousands were laid off because the price made it unviable. This was just due to the Saudis trying to flood the market, the same way US farmers flood the corn market. Personally I happen to think the price of oil to be pretty reasonable for what it can do for mankind. I can do the same in an hour with an excavator as a man could in a week with a shovel. All for a litre of diesel.
First of all - yes - the temperature difference is higher than I said - watched the video years ago, but that does not make a difference since you also noted that there are plenty of industrial waste warm-water sources that can be used for this technology. Does not make a difference? I gave you a real world example of how this energy is already reclaimed. If heat energy is needed elsewhere in the factory then it's pointless to convert it to anything else. I also gave you real world examples of how the technology could be used in cars, and why it would not presently be viable.
Besides - it is not the only generator system out there. Examples please?
Frankly I am often amazed on how blue-eyed even Red-Pill men are. And I'm amazed at how some people watch a video and all logic and reasoning goes out the window.
Sure - you did not take the time to study Antony Sutton, Reece Commission on foundations in the 1950s (available on Americandeception.com) or Carroll Quigley - I get it, but:
Well you didn't even take the time to acquaint yourself with how this miracle engine even works.
1) You know that the media lies pretty much about anything
2) You know that the politicians lie about pretty much anything
3) You know that the current sciences with a straight face claim that men and women are absolutely equal, heck - that even gender is assigned after birth because we treat men and women differently!!! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!
4) You know that international trade is fucked up and crazy
5) You know that the immigration policies are fucked up, traiterous and crazy
6) You know that the propaganda of crazy idiotic moronic crap is blasted in all forms of entertainment, media and academia including elementary schools
7) So you know that the system lies to you on politics, real reasons for war, entertainment, media, money creation, economic policies, immigration policies - all sorts of academic subjects like psychology, gender studies, behavioral psychology - now you have the so-called climate science which claimed a mere 10 years ago that we are going to fry and snow in Europe and the US would be a thing of the past
Don't disagree. I do believe that a lot of this can be explained by human self-interest and stupidity however.
So knowing all this you come here and claim that the globalist moloch which is ultimately based on massive agenda points and exploitation would not be threatened if even one scrappy tiny inventor invents something like a generator that feeds off the earth magnetic constantly moving field, a simple non-patentable cancer cure, an anti-gravity device etc? No - they would not be threatened by all of this, because why should they be? Why should the system ban hemp when it can better replace plastics than plastics itself, they can be a competition to textiles, to meds etc. Jesus fricking Christ. Do you know what's sitting in the barn outside my yard right now? That's right, two hundred tons of hemp bales. It was destined for the factory (in Denmark I think?) but someone fucked the mowing up and the chop length is wrong, so the factory won't take it. Hemp and cannabis are two different plants. You're pulling 'facts' out of your arse here mate. Hemp is already in use as an industrial product. Oil, however, is so cheap that it's barely viable. As I said in my last post, oil being so cheap in terms of $ per kw generated is why renewables have yet to catch on.
Why stop any alternative energy generator when all it would do is crash not only the oil-industry, but also the petrodollar trillion-dollar-system of the US(911 is right - the US currency without the petrodollar at this stage would be in a massive terrible recession, because the currency would crash 80%) - no of course not the scientists would all gladly chuck away and simply abolish everything, abolish the long-term plans - their entire chokehold - yes they would do it all simply because you have your energy generator in your basement and your anti-grav car being propelled by close to nothing.
Nah - you are right - they are lying to us about close to anything, but when "true science" is concerned and their ENTIRE FUCKING TRILLION DOLLAR SYSTEM" - then they are not going to suppress anything.
NO - the reality is that they would rather kill millions than let even one piece of tech come out.
I have studied the topic extensively - there is a ton of details on batteries, generators and inventions that would threaten several of their agenda points.
Frankly - if you don't even entertain the notion of me even being remotely true in that respect, that maybe they could suppress something when 10 trillion $ of their yearly output and money system is hinging on it that such tech is suppressed (and that there are plenty of details out there to give you room for thought) - well then I think that CNN and Huffingtonpost is all you need to know about our world. RVF itself is already a conspiracy theory domain because it believes in Trump, in Game, in male-female differences, in Red Pill.
Little tip - test out how much medical knowledge is suppressed. Next time you have a cold and a severe bout of sore throat - take 15.000 mg of pure vitamin C powder (l-ascorbic acid) - watch how the sore throat disappears within minutes. There - took only 10 cents of a high-dosage vitamin to surpass EVERY BLOODY FUCKING DRUG AVAILABLE AND HAVE AN EFFECT 100 TIMES BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE! It certainly lessens the symptoms, but disappears in minutes? Not in my experience.
But according to the popular opinion - if the medical industry knew about this, then they would surely share it with us, wouldn't they?
I do agree with you here- there are huge and obvious profits to be made and protected, especially when it comes to things like cancer which scare people shitless.
Sure they will - of course - they would love to.
(P.S.: Sorry if I sound too belligerent out there - I usually don't even quarrell with guys I agree with on 90%+ of points in life. I joked to a friend once that I can make anyone a "conspiracy theorists". All you need to do is to read the stuff and see the stuff I have seen. But sometimes people don't have the time or don't bother. In the grand scheme of things this does not matter since we are not going to change it now anyway. Even if I have a generator like that in my basement and show it to you, then this won't change much - I get my energy dirt-cheap, but I couldn't even admit that I have it if anyone comes knocking - let alone sell it to anyone. All it would do is you saying: "Fine, you are right. We can go for a beer now." And that is something that we could have been doing even while saying to agree to disagree at this point and this level of individual information we both each have.)
Totally down for a beer mate. I'm aware my replies to you are also somewhat belligerent. But for every time you say 'open your eyes!' I'm gonna say 'Use some logic and do some proper research'. It's not that I don't believe the governments and big corporations won't do nasty shit to protect their interests. It's just that currently, I don't see there's much money to protect in oil. Prices are at a level where unless it's easy to get at then it's not worth it- hence the oil sands layoffs. Furthermore, logic suggests that all the time it's like that there is no incentive to develop other techs. And my main beef- things like the nitinol engine that you present as gospel are so easily debunked it's laughable. Yet as soon as I do, you say "Heh, well ok, maybe, but what about this? Watch this video, open your eyes! You'll see!" If I had to point out a character flaw in you mate, it'd be that.
I enjoy your posts and am always open to seeing things a different way. Yet often I find I have specific knowledge of something which means I can easily see when someone is talking total shit: /thread-58269...pid1397169
It makes me wonder- how many conspiracy theories where I don't have specific knowledge are also full of shit? This is why I won't just take a video full of confirmation bias as gospel.
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02-27-2017 04:52 AM
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
< Spare me this bullshit.
I never said that Nitinol generators are not a viable option, I post the vid because it is one of the few available ones by the BBC with plenty of additional infos embedded in it (like the list of government agency agencies working for it for decades). It is just not the best I have seen, but the choice vids on the mainstream media with added infos are few.
Your statements make zero "debunking" anything except my temperature difference statement. But that is just like the media pointing out Trump's Swedenincident - last night " what last night?".
And again you start with the same arguments with vitamin C and sore throat. The pain recedes within minutes - the underlying state is not gone of course since you are still having a cold. But you wait out the natural healing period with close to zero pain, no sore throat at all, only some sniffles, but not even high fever. You take vitamin C consistently during the sickness and are relatively at ease while otherwise miserable. And don't try again to deflect that, because that is literally the most effective cold medicine - if it were patentable, it would rake in 50 bio. $ a year worldwide, but it isn't so hardly anyone knows about it.
Easily debunkable - yeah like Trump's Sweden remarks were easily debunked - only when you don't look at anything else I mentioned. I am not saying that Nitinol is the gospel - Nitinol is an example and not my main choice. And even Nitinol engines would be infinitely better than the stuff we do otherwise.
Nevermind - this discussion is irrelevant and useless. You linked to the MOnsanto article as if that was a conspiracy stuff and GMOs and Glyphosate is the best thing since sliced bread since they tested it on animals for 2 weeks (also Glyphosate being found in mother milk, vaccines, beer etc - that does not concern you -all a conspiracy theory). So I'll give it a rest here - besides - it is all off the topic of Global Warming in the Thread.
You can gladly post some Huffpo articles on why Global Cooling, ehm Global Warming, ehm Climate Change, ehm Climate Disruption (that is really the current title in 2017!!!!!) is real. I guess they will call it Carbon Pollution if the climate gets not disrupted enough next - and even that would be wrong since CO2 is actually useful if it's more in the atmosphere. We should have 1000% more of it and profit from better plant growth. Our current CO2 levels are way too low anyway.
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Quote:This is the inescapable conclusion of a landmark paper, published in Nature Geoscience, which finally admits that the computer models have overstated the impact of carbon dioxide on climate and that the planet is warming more slowly than predicted.
The paper – titled Emission budgets and pathways consistent with limiting warming to 1.5 °C – concedes that it is now almost impossible that the doomsday predictions made in the last IPCC Assessment Report of 1.5 degrees C warming above pre-industrial levels by 2022 will come true.
In order for that to happen, temperatures would have to rise by a massive 0.5 degrees C in five years.
Since global mean temperatures rarely rise by even as much as 0.25 degrees C in a decade, that would mean the planet would have to do 20 years’ worth of extreme warming in the space of the next five years.
This, the scientists admit, is next to impossible. Which means their “carbon budget” – the amount of CO2 they say is needed to increase global warming by a certain degree – is wrong. This in turn means that the computer models they’ve been using to scare the world with tales of man-made climate doom are wrong too.
No chance of significiant global warming by 2022? That's pretty impressive. The climate model is wrong.
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
I was at a house party this Summer and met a guy who earned a PhD in geological sciences studying the carbon cycle. His job is with the United Nations travelling around to countries all over the world giving lectures etc. When I asked him what he thought about climate change his immediate response was "it's a hoax". He elaborated that carbon just doesn't have the physical properties to effect the temperature in the way that is being claimed. He added that if any scientist in any remotely related field wants to get any research funding, it is well known that they have to include a "global warming" component to their research. Otherwise no funding and no job.
Quote:"A deciding factor was that I no longer know what to say to students and postdocs regarding how to navigate the CRAZINESS in the field of climate science,"
She could have just said "I feel overwhelmed". It works for most chicks. "Educated" women always have to prove their "education"
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
Komatiite wrote a fucking solid post back in the Trump pre-election days. When my friends talk about global warming I tell them to shut the fuck up because they have no idea what they are talking about. Anyway, here's his post:
(09-23-2016 12:12 AM)komatiite Wrote: I am getting ready for one of the biggest anti-TRUMP narrative assaults of the campaign. To this point, I don't think the media has really started to begin its attack on Mr Trump's climate skepticism yet, but I am starting to see some rumblings that indicate that the tone will begin to change. Two recent things caught my eye:
1. 375 Scientists including 30 Nobel Prize winners and even Stephen Hawking have signed an open letter that slams Trump's position as a 'denier.'
2. Mark Wahlberg is releasing a hit-piece documentary on the Macondo Deepwater Horizon BP oil spill. To be released on September 30th. Remember that the Gulf of Mexico has so much oil under it that the equivalent of 5 million barrels of oil seep out every year naturally, and although 4.9 million additional barrels were lost to the sea during the blowout, the Gulf of Mexico has a flourishing microbiological community that has broken down hydrocarbons for millions of years. I suppose I come across as an apologist for the incident when I say shit like that but it's not like it was the Apocalypse that everyone made it out to be, I was just a lot more sad to see some workers perished in the accident, I've worked rigs and it made me sick to think something like that could happen. A lot of people fucked up and I feel for them all, just realize that a corporation doesn't want to lose 5 million barrels of oil profit, so there weren't sinister motives behind this like the media seems to want you to think.
Do not fall victim to the Global Warming Hype Machine. It is a systematic effort to do two things: destroy the economies of Oil-Rich Red States, and lead to a state-controlled energy industry. I feel that the liberal brainwashing may be too far gone though, check out this Yale study from July:
72% of the American population is in some way concerned about anthropogenic global warming! Al Gore's lasting legacy will be how he and Michael Mann have convinced the country that global warming is a very real issue, one of the greatest anti-American, anti-Capitalist and anti-industrialization con jobs of all time. Even in the oil industry, half of the retards I work with believe in this garbage, because of the incredible media saturation it receives, and the fact that it is hammered into everyone in the education system.
I just want to touch on something anecdotal for those who may read this that truly believe "The Science is Settled" because predictive models suggest things like Miami will be flooded out by rising sea levels in the next few years.
Many people espouse the ironclad credibility of 'climate models.' I have done a lot of work in petroleum reservoir simulation, which isn't exactly the best analogy for comparison to climate models, but it gives a good idea on how data can be manipulated in a model to fit a narrative. Basically, in order to predict the future value of an oil field, we will utilize predictive methods based on past history using production volumes, rock properties (porosity, permeability, fluid saturations), pressure and aquifer influence gleaned from the other wells drilled in the area. Say a production field was kicked off in 2005, and at the current time, we want to predict how much oil we will produce by 2025. Or you want to test the viability of drilling more wells. So we will fuck around with inputs using geostatistical methods such as Kriging and try to match the past decade of production with the software, and once we have a close 'history match,' we will forecast the future using this 'accurate' model using a complex conjugate gradient linear algebra-based timestepping method. Surprise surprise, the results are usually pretty poor, and it is assumed that at most 15% of reservoir models are accurate. Despite having all sorts of data points (core, drill cutting samples, well logs, production volumes, high-resolution 3D seismic imaging), it is really hard to predict future behavior for these models -- it is just hard to model all of these moving parts, even in a relatively small closed system like an oil reservoir.
Picture of a reservoir model, with well data indicated by the vertical sticks
So how the hell can a climactic model be any different? In a reservoir model, I am 'only' dealing with a couple dozen variables, meanwhile these complex open-system climate models can have up to 200 variables, a testament to all of the moving parts in our Earth such as atmospheric composition, solar activity, geological activity, oceanic variability, etc. They use the same method we use in the oil industry when making models, wherein a 'history match' of old climate data is emulated by the model, then use that model to forecast the future. Although they use the word 'Hindcasting' instead of 'History Matching.' I just don't see how all of the scientific and technological research into creating accurate models in the oil industry can be so inaccurate (where a company's ass is on the line with real money and investors), but these models pumped out by government scientists and University Professors (funded by Pro-Global Warming entities) with NO financial ramifications if they are wrong are treated as gospel. I am not trying to say that I am an authority on climate models but as an experienced petroleum reservoir simulation engineer, I have SERIOUS doubts on the validity of any history-matched climate model. In the words of Richard Feynman, Science is the organized skepticism in the reliability of expert opinion. And there is PLENTY of reason to be skeptical of the 97% of scientists who claim that the 'science is settled,' I have not even discussed The Pause wherein global climate hasn't risen in the last 20 years. It is fair to question Big Global Warming!
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Obama's manufactured oil price fall (and I can confidently say that the price fall is manufactured because there is no other reason for him to lift sanctions on Iran and flood the market with Persian oil) will lead to two end results that benefit the leftist agenda:
-Cripple Russia Economically
-Destroy the mid-level US Shale producer. There is NO greater threat to the Green Energy industry than Shale Gas. Because of an incredible invention by a small Canadian company called Packers Plus (the ball-drop multi-stage frac), trillions of cubic feet of natural gas have been unlocked, depressing the price of gas. The end result of this is the government now has zero justification to subsidize Green Energy companies, as they are not competitive in a marketplace where natural gas is so cheap. The only way to make green technology competitive is by crushing the mid-level US Shale producer with this prolonged price crash, then as oil and gas prices skyrocket, Green Energy becomes more viable. Don't get me wrong, I fully support green energy (I have an off-the-grid cabin with solar panels!), but it has its economic limitations, and cannot replace cheap hydrocarbons in an industrialized economy in its current state. If Green Energy can get to the point where it competes with hydrocarbons organically, then let's roll. I'll switch industries and get a job doing geothermal resource exploration. But until it can compete in a free market (the Green experiment in Ontario has proven to be a total economic disaster) while being held to the same environmental standards as the oil industry is, then I will remain cynical:
I think Obama found himself in a bit of a catch-22 during his term. He hates the concept of the oil industry, as seen by the fact that he taxes major companies like Exxon at a higher rate than Apple, despite Apple having a higher market capitalization:
Quote:Apple's market capitalization of $730 billion may now be more than double that of Exxon Mobil, but when it comes to taxes paid to the US government, it's no contest: the company with record profitability that so many progressive hipsters adore and for whose products they line up with annual regularity is billions of dollars below its "fair" contribution to the US Treasury. Ironically, it is eclipsed by that other company that so many progressives love to hate: Exxon Mobil, which paid $4 billion more in tax than Apple, yet whose valuation has been cut by 15% over the past year as a result of the collapse in oil prices.
But it was this demonic industry that kept his ass alive during his term, as the new fracking technologies floated the economy when the gettin' was good. Benny Shapiro can explain this better than I can:
If I am right, and the oil price collapse is a systematic effort to cripple US Shale by the leftist US government in cahoots with their OPEC allies, then prices will eventually skyrocket again with only the heavily taxed mega-corporations (corrupted by PC culture in their own right) left standing. This will green light a massive subsidy for Green Energy, as the high price of oil and gas will provide justification for this. As such, the US government will indirectly run a nationalized energy industry.
However, the mid-level US Shale industry is scrappy as hell, and have really streamlined their drilling efficiency, and shale oil and gas still remains competitive at $45 oil. It is a true testament to the innovative mind of the engineering brilliance in the American oil industry, despite government opposition in the form of regulatory red tape. I was at an SPE conference a while ago and a Packers Plus rep was telling me that their fastest-growing customer is Aramco -- a sign that their easy reserves are gone too, and they are now drilling long horizontal monsters of their own in the shitty, unconventional rock. That's why Obama lifted the sanctions on Iran -- the US Shale industry has held on for longer than expected, so a hopeful market flood of Iranian oil will hopefully cripple them for good, much to the chagrin of the Saudis who couldn't snuff out their American competitors alone.
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So where does this bring us with respect to Trump? He has already established a strong relationship with Harold Hamm, a guy with a high school education who single-handedly put the Bakken Shale play on the map, becoming a billionaire in the process. Hamm basically wrote the Trump speech where he addressed the oil industry:
(This was on the same day he clinched the 1237 primary delegates and I saw him LIVE later that afternoon in Billings MT!)
It was a great speech, he has bought into the concept of American Energy Independence, wherein American energy will fuel the new dawn of American industrialization. Making America an exporter, and putting Saudi Arabia and their Wahhabi bullshit out of business. Employing Americans and even throwing Canada a bone with the Keystone XL pipeline. Cutting out these meddling government regulatory middlemen. Yes, opposition to environmental regulations makes me sound like a total industry shill, but as long as proper frac fluids/field waste disposal is required and inspection requirements for field equipment like pipelines is enforced, I don't think there will be any problems. In fact, horizontal drilling/fracking is better for the environment than drilling vertical wells, because you can drill far fewer wells (smaller surface footprint) with much higher productivity.
Quote:An oil industry executive who has spoken out against animal rights is a leading contender for Interior secretary should Donald Trump win the White House, two sources familiar with the campaign’s deliberations told POLITICO on Monday — a prospect that drew immediate condemnation from environmental activists.
Forrest Lucas, the 74-year-old co-founder of oil products company Lucas Oil, is well-known in his native Indiana, where in 2006 he won the naming rights to Lucas Oil Stadium, the home of the Indianapolis Colts football team, for a reported $121.5 million over 20 years. He and his wife have given a combined $50,000 to the gubernatorial campaigns of Trump's running mate, Mike Pence, according to Indiana state records.
Lucas’ company, California-based Lucas Oil, is a fast-growing manufacturer of automotive oils, lubricants and other additives used in everything from cars to heavy-duty trucks.
One person briefed by the Trump campaign said Lucas is a “front-runner” for the Interior secretary job. The person, who was granted anonymity to talk about private discussions, added that Trump wants a “more business-friendly and business experience-heavy cabinet.”
But environmentalists quickly excoriated the idea of an oil industry executive leading the department that oversees national parks and wildlife refuges, along with decisions about offshore drilling, fracking regulations and protections for endangered species.
"Putting an oil executive in charge of our public lands and precious coasts in places like North Carolina, Virginia and Florida is a virtual guarantee that Trump's promise to throw open season on drilling in our special places will come true if he's elected," said Khalid Pitts, the Sierra Club's national political director.
David Turnbull, the campaigns director at anti-fossil-fuels group Oil Change USA, worried that Trump's Cabinet could be full of people with ties to the oil industry. They include Harold Hamm, the CEO of Oklahoma oil company Continental Resources, who has emerged as a possible pick for Trump's energy secretary.
"Catering to an industry dead-set on continued expansion of oil and gas drilling is not only totally out of step with climate science, but it's also out of step with the majority of Americans who are calling for a swift transition to clean energy and robust action on climate change," Turnbull said in an email.
It would be nearly unprecedented for major oil executive to get the top job in the Interior Department. Current Secretary Sally Jewell was an engineer for Mobil Oil early in her career and often touts her experience fracking wells, although she is best known as a conservationist and former outdoor retail executive.
Lucas’ nomination would be a coup for the oil and gas industry, which has battled President Barack Obama’s Interior Department for years over everything from Endangered Species Act listings to access to federal lands for drilling. Trump has cultivated close ties to the oil industry, which was once skeptical of his campaign for president.
"In a lot of ways, having an oil and gas friendly person in the Interior Department is more important to the oil and gas industry than having someone friendly at the Energy Department," one industry official said.
Nominating Lucas would also break with the long-standing tradition of Interior secretaries coming from Western states.
It would also likely draw rebukes from animal rights groups. Lucas, who owns a ranch and serves on Trump’s agriculture advisory committee, is one of the biggest donors to groups that attack the Humane Society and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and defend animal agriculture, hunting, meat consumption, rodeos and circuses.
Another source with knowledge of the transition operation said Lucas was on a short list of about five names that are under consideration for the post, which has started to attract considerable interest from prominent “anti-conservation zealots.” Donald Trump Jr., an avid hunter, has also publicly expressed interest in the job.
Earlier this year, Lucas financed and produced a feature film called “The Dog Lover,” which portrays dog breeders and puppy mills as being unfairly targeted by animal rights groups. The movie was backed by Protect the Harvest, a nonprofit founded and chaired by Lucas, that says it’s “Keeping America Free, Fed & Fun!” In 2014, Lucas gave $250,000 to the Protect the Harvest PAC, records show.
Roger Ebert's website called the movie “shamelessly manipulative” and “a pretty bald piece of anti-[Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals] and/or PETA propaganda,” noting that the movie ends with a call to moviegoers to look into animal welfare groups before donating to them.
Animal rights supporters were quick to point out Monday that Lucas had put up hundreds of thousands of dollars into fighting an "anti-puppy mill" ballot measure in Missouri that was approved by voters in 2010.
"Forrest Lucas is a peevish advocate of trophy hunting, puppy mills and big agribusiness, and has never met a case of animal exploitation he wouldn’t defend," said Michael Markarian, president of the Humane Society Legislative Fund, which backed the measure in Missouri.
Lucas’ wife, Charlotte, who co-founded Lucas Oil, came under fire in 2014 for a Facebook post that criticized Muslims and atheists. "I'm sick and tired of minorities running our country!” she wrote, according to news reports at the time. She later apologized.
Lucas has donated more than $150,000 to a slew of Republican candidates and causes since 2006, but records do not show any donations to Trump. In an interview last year, Lucas did not sound particularly enthused about the New York City real estate mogul.
Asked if he would be comfortable with Trump getting the GOP nomination, Lucas responded: “It would be like when Obama got elected. I’d say, ‘I don’t really like it, but I have no choice and I’ll have to make the best of it.’”
A Trump campaign spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment. Lucas could not immediately be reached and his office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Shit like this should terrify the cultural Marxists who have worked so hard to push the global warming narrative, hence my concerns that he will quickly get eviscerated for this tweet back in the day:
I think it would be risky to play the angle of full out climate denial in a stage such as a presidential debate. I can already see them putting some little girl up on the Facebook social media camera during the Anderson Cooper-hosted second debate, asking how he will mortgage the future of America by being a climate denier. Maybe Chris Wallace will make another Power Point Slide Show with all of his climate skeptic tweets.
Back in Alberta in 2012, an upstart, grassroots right-wing party was running for provincial leadership. They had a woman named Danielle Smith running against the establishment party, and she was doing great in the polls. However, her campaign turned on a dime during a town hall where she was asked about climate change, and she responded:
Quote:"We have always said the science isn't settled and we need to continue to monitor the debate,"
She lost the election in humiliating fashion, as that statement solidified her as a 'Science Denying Inbred Hick.'
Instead, if the attacks begin, I hope Mr Trump focuses on a message of economic optimism. We cannot cripple our economy by crushing the oil industry. We cannot continue buying conflict oil from Islamic nations or countries like Venezuela with horrible human rights record. We cannot handicap our own production while other developing nations such as China and India continue to pollute without remorse as their economies pass America's. We will develop responsibly, but confidently, as we lead the next generation into an American energy revolution.
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That was a long post, but I am pretty passionate about the business, why would I bother working in a field that I have no interest in. We are in a bleak time right now in this business, and I truly feel that Donald Trump will lead to a seismic change in an industry that sorely needs it, for a resource that the country needs. And I want to add that I don't believe in the mega-corporation corporate monopoly over the industry -- I will defend the junior and intermediate sized companies to the death, because that's why I went into the oil business... I have dreams of breaking out with a couple guys I went to school with and staking out own claim. The exploration process, the sleepless nights sitting out on the rig waiting for the well logger to finish up collecting data so I can decide whether or not to call the cement truck and plug up a dry hole or calling in the completions crew to run casing, with millions of dollars on the line... It is exciting as hell and I want to get a taste of it, but the constant demonization of the industry can get demoralizing over time.
I leave you with a classic Paul Joseph Watson piece on climate change:
09-29-2017 05:05 PM
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RE: Climatologist Chooses "Career Suicide" for "Scientific Integrity"
The Global Warming issue is a big one. Back when I researched the issue I came even upon the Club of Rome documents - you can find them in pdf form. They listed among other global "concern" issues - a faked Alien invasion, but the "green propaganda" model was deemed as a better alternative to "bring the world together in austerity".
Here a new study that examined all models in detail - by the way - all climate change models do not account FOR THE FUCKING SUN! The sun despite huge variations of intensity over the millennia does not change according to the sheisters:
Quote:Another Major Study Confirms The IPCC’s Climate Models Were Wrong
But this is also interesting - don't know if you guys saw this, but back in the 1990s many politicians and even scientists were a bit more open about the "science" of global warming:
Quote:Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S Undersecretary of State for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the UN Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)
Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”
In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment Christine Stewart told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”
Speaking at the 2000 UN Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France explained why the IPCC’s climate initiative supported a key Western European Kyoto Protocol objective: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”
Then, a 1996 publication “The Holocene”, by T.P. Barnett, B.D. Santer, P.D. Jones, R.S. Bradley and K.R. Briffa, says this: “Estimates of…natural variability are critical to the problem of detecting an anthropogenic [human] signal…We have estimated the spectrum…from paleo-temperature proxies and compared it with…general [climate] circulation models…none of the three estimates of the natural variability spectrum agree with each other…Until…resolved, it will be hard to say, with confidence, that an anthropogenic climate signal has or has not been detected.”
In other words, these guys, several of whom you will hear from later, can’t say with confidence whether or not humans have had any influence at all…or even if so, whether it has caused warming or cooling!
IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…”
The Green Fascism agenda is frankly the biggest and most important out there.
You have not seen anything yet -
+ when high-quality products like beef and dairy will cost too much to be afforded by 90% of the population,
+ when you can no longer afford to drive anywhere
+ when your entire paycheck goes towards heating yourself and keeping the lights on
+ when you eat your insect-protein steak and insect-protein pizza
- only then will you see what the full scope of the green fascist agenda brings.
09-30-2017 02:23 AM
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