Post: #51

Ok to the people saying that the Egyptians were white.

I got a few questions for you.

I thought whites come from Europe. The pyramids in Egypt were built 3,000 years ago. If the Egyptians were white, then where are all the artifacts in Europe proving that white people built those pyramids?

If pyramids were built in Africa 3,000 years ago and the people were white, then where is the literature 3,000 years ago proving this?

Egypt= Africa
Europe= White people
Europeans= Europe

How in the hell are Egyptians considered white people?

If those people building pyramids in Egypt were white, then where did those people come from? How in the hell did these white people survive in Egypt genetically without dying of the different diseases of the day in a hostile environment that was not natural to their genetics when whites supposibly come from Europe? How?

Post: #52

(12-11-2016 08:11 PM)John Twist Wrote:  How in the hell are Egyptians considered white people?

They weren't, not in the modern sense. The answer is complicated.

The Ptolemaic dynasty was a European dynasty - those were largely white Egyptians with Greek, Persian, and Macedonian roots. Other examples offer much more complicated answers. King Tut was found to have at least some ancestral DNA common to Western Europeans. On the other hand, studies have found sub-saharan African DNA in Rameses III. Still other studies have shown mummies from the Middle Kingdom to have had multiple lines of descent, many of which originated in Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East (Europe much less so). And then there's the 25th dynasty, which was Nubian.

The Amratian, Badarian, and Naqada cultures are often considered the cultural and ancestral bedrock of Upper Egypt, and it is known that these cultures were closer to Nubians than anyone else (the predominantly sub-saharan African ancestral links of the Nubians are not really in dispute). This is unsurprising given the closer proximity to the Sudan; Lower Egypt has much more ancestral contribution from the Near East. Near Easterners are Caucasian and considered "white" in US Census statistics, though they aren't white in the European sense.

The most likely answer, however, is that Egyptians were racially mixed (not unlike their modern descendants) and their civilization is actually the product of influence from Sub-Saharan Africa, the Near East, and Southern Europe. They're not as white as the white nationalists/alt-right (alt-white?) are telling you and they're not as black as the Nation of Islam and other assorted afrocentrists would like you to believe either. They were the inevitably blended result of a civilization centered at the crossroads of many genetically and culturally distinct regions and civilizations.

Post: #53

(12-11-2016 08:11 PM)John Twist Wrote:  Ok to the people saying that the Egyptians were white.

I got a few questions for you.

I thought whites come from Europe. The pyramids in Egypt were built 3,000 years ago. If the Egyptians were white, then where are all the artifacts in Europe proving that white people built those pyramids?

If pyramids were built in Africa 3,000 years ago and the people were white, then where is the literature 3,000 years ago proving this?

Egypt= Africa
Europe= White people
Europeans= Europe

How in the hell are Egyptians considered white people?

If those people building pyramids in Egypt were white, then where did those people come from? How in the hell did these white people survive in Egypt genetically without dying of the different diseases of the day in a hostile environment that was not natural to their genetics when whites supposibly come from Europe? How?

Some things to consider.

Africa generally means Sub-Sahara Africa which acted as an insourmountable barrier for most of mankind's time, except in East Africa where Nubians settled a kingdom in modern day Sudan.

In addition, North Africa including Egypt was not 'Africa' in that sense, it was part of the Mediteranean area, which is easy to see from a map. Egyptians sailed far and wide and later on Phoenicians (early as 1500bc) sailed all the way to the British Isles. Important to know to understand ancient people moved around, then as now.

As for what 'white' means, that's a topic of some contention. There have been modern humans - Cro Magnon - in Europe for 50.000 years. Around 10.000 years ago, another kind of white people move into Europe from Anatolia, modern day Turkey. These people found many empires such as the Minoan, where they get to around 9000bc, which had its capital on Crete and they were around something like 3500bc to 1500bc. That is, around the time Egypt becomes a power.

The Minoans were most certainly white by every modern definition, though Mediteranean in looks, darker hair and eye color.





Some scholars believe that Minoans were refugees from Egypt following some civil war there around 5000bc due to similarity in art among other things.

And in fact with current genetical research we know which haplogroups those Minoans had, which yields some surprising results:

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2871

Quote:The greatest percentage of shared Minoan haplotypes was observed with European populations, particularly with individuals from Northern and Western Europe (26.98% and 29.28%, respectively) (Figs 2, 3, 4; Supplementary Table S7). Notably, in Fig. 4, a gradient can be observed, with the lowest affinity for Minoans found with Northern African populations and the percentage of haplotype sharing increasing as we move through the Middle East, Caucasus and the Mediterranean islands, southern Europe and mainland Europe (Fig. 4a). Of notice also is the high percentage of haplotype sharing with B

Our results strongly suggest that the principal matrilineal genetic relationships of the Minoans are with Neolithic, ancient and modern European populations. Such findings are in support of the hypothesis of an autochthonous origin of the Minoan civilization by the descendants of the Neolithic settlers of the island4,13. As it has been proposed for the other Neolithic European populations21,22,23, the most likely origin of the Cretan Neolithic settlers was Anatolia and the Middle East

That is interesting, because it actually says Minoans have the most genetically in common, not with Southern Europeans, but with North Western Europeans, namely those of the British Isles, who before the Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Romans invaded were a much darker haired people.

It also says Minoans have the least in common with modern day North Africans.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22527821

Quote:Evans named the people who built these cities after the legendary King Minos who, according to tradition, ordered the construction of a labyrinth on Crete to hold the mythical half-man, half-bull creature known as the minotaur.

Evans was of the opinion that the real-life Bronze Age culture on Crete must have its origins elsewhere.

And so, he suggested that the Minoans were refugees from Egypt's Nile delta, fleeing the region's conquest by a southern king some 5,000 years ago.

The guy who discovered the Crete minoan culture thought they couldn't have been European, because Europe at 3500bc was a dead end with no real civilization at all.

Genetics tells us they were in fact Europeans.

How does that match, one isolated highly advanced Mediteranean European civilization when the rest of Europe is barely out of the stone age?

BBC writes it proves Minoans were not Egyptians, they like to do this kind of sleight of hand, conveniently ignoring the Arab conquests and the Nubian conquests of Egypt.

As Excelsior writes, it is difficult to know who the ancient Egyptians were unless you do DNA testing and modern day Egyptians don't want Europeans to do it, perhaps because they fear that it will show that they are not the descendants of the early dynasties.

In any case, the Minoan example shows how 'white' people could easily have settled Egypt and did in fact live in the areas of modern day Turkey, Persia, Levant and Mesopotamia until they were displaced by Arabs, Turks and other invading groups, much later.

Post: #54

I told him to stay away...

G

Post: #55

Recent posts remind me of what Aurini said about 14/88 - it devolves into a purity test.

Edit:

(12-10-2016 08:48 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Again, to truly know a man, look at his character. Ideologies can be discarded or added on a whim. But a man's track record...well, that very often speaks for itself.

If the above is true, why do we - including some senior forum members - tolerate non-newbie members whose posts reek of a negative streak, betraying their lack of Game? Just because they share some of our ideologies, which can change on a whim?

Post: #56

Easy test. Is there a wrong statement in this interview that Spencer gave? He only wants to repeal the 1965 immigration act, then favor European immigration, keeping the USA majority white.
WB Liz Wheeler.






Or in this interview:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/asian-american-...d=44091003

Post: #57

News from @Cernovich: Twitter has just reinstated Richard Spencer. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/.../95327236/

IMO, that supports MikeCF's claim that Spencer is controlled opposition. I was on the fence when he first said it, but now I'm leaning in his direction.

Why would Twitter reinstate Spencer and not, say, Milo?

Why would the old media keep reporting about Spencer (such as in this case), while blacklisting, say, Cernovich?

Roosh also seems to be right in his assertion that the old media finds Spencer useful.

Post: #58

Apple: supporting white supremacy

https://www.stormfront.co.uk/

Post: #59

(12-13-2016 06:18 AM)262 Wrote:  IMO, that supports MikeCF's claim that Spencer is controlled opposition. I was on the fence when he first said it, but now I'm leaning in his direction.

Why would Twitter reinstate Spencer and not, say, Milo?

Did Milo ever try to get back on Twitter? I don't think so.
Spencer somehow appealed.
And with that logic, why was Cernovich even verified, why is he on Twitter? Why is he not banned? He constantly attacks people.

The truth is: We will never know because it would mean to understand SJW thinking that is going on at Twitter. Good luck with that.

Post: #60

(12-13-2016 09:14 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:18 AM)262 Wrote:  IMO, that supports MikeCF's claim that Spencer is controlled opposition. I was on the fence when he first said it, but now I'm leaning in his direction.

Why would Twitter reinstate Spencer and not, say, Milo?

Did Milo ever try to get back on Twitter? I don't think so.
Spencer somehow appealed.
And with that logic, why was Cernovich even verified, why is he on Twitter? Why is he not banned? He constantly attacks people.

The truth is: We will never know because it would mean to understand SJW thinking that is going on at Twitter. Good luck with that.

Anyone can apply to be verified on Twitter, even you. It's nothing special.

Post: #61

Those stormfront guys are messed up in the head, according to them Armenians are white but Turks are not because we are muslim. If you take appearance into account most Turks are whiter than your average Armenian. These guys are bibleheads that call themselves white nationalist.
Heck according to them you're not white even if you're blond and happen to be Muslim/Jew

Edit:

Egypt is a very complex case, I've seen very white Egyptian people. The greatest example is the creator of that famous IRC client MIRC.
Khaled Mardam Bey



This guy is as white as it gets.

Post: #62

Not really sure why Richard Spencer received so much attention as he had prior to the "roman salute".
Even if he did coin one term.
Guy didn't seem to be anywhere near as influential nor active as Cernovich, Paul Watson, Molyneux, Scott Adams et al.

So putting all things Richard Spencer aside & even if a similar sentiment has been expressed.
I'd imagine that if your intent is to either antagonize "the left" or make them freak out.
It would be far more effective to focus on the hypocrisy & duplicity of the left.
There's plenty of it.

Where-as grandstanding in such a fashion with anything Nazi tinged, merely gives the left the opportunity to grandstand themselves & feel motivated to put you in your place.
They don't really feel uncomfortable when faced with Nazi salutes. That merely gives them a chance to virtue signal.

Much better off exposing their duplicity & stupidity & making them feel uncomfortable due to their own actions, thoughts & deeds.

Post: #63

Most white nationalists of the 1488 variety etc. are also white knights who think they're going to save the flower of European womanhood from itself. It says something to that effect right in the "Fourteen Words", IIRC.

"All white women are goddesses who must be protected from the dusky savages!"

These guys are dummies

Post: #64

(12-14-2016 08:17 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Not really sure why Richard Spencer received so much attention as he had prior to the "roman salute".

The attention he receives from the media and the left is intended to tar the whole alt-right with his stink.

Post: #65

(12-14-2016 12:23 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Most white nationalists of the 1488 variety etc. are also white knights who think they're going to save the flower of European womanhood from itself. It says something to that effect right in the "Fourteen Words", IIRC.

"All white women are goddesses who must be protected from the dusky savages!"

These guys are dummies

If you're looking for a good laugh, check out the "#whitegirlsaremagic" hashtag on twitter.

RE: Stormfront, frankly i wouldn't take it too seriously, most of the posters on there are just confused conservatives venting, few of them are legit neo-nazis or klansmen.

Post: #66

Spencer and the alt-right have been around for over a decade, far longer than the manosphere and Cernovich. Head to SF and Breibart and you'll see the term used for quite a while, even Alex Jones paraded the word around.

I'm surprised the manosphere folks opted to use that word and wondered if they even knew what they got themselves. Seeing this coming was pretty clear.

Cerno and Scott should have opted for another term like Roosh did with Neomasculine. Maybe NeoRight, be right back...need to buy some domains.