Post: #1

Just want to share some anecdotal evidence and see if it's corroborated by other people's experience.

In the past I've predominately dated girls who were somewhat red pill. They didn't quite recite the teachings of Heartiste, but they were logical, politically moderate, and decidedly anti-SJW/feminist, which is unusual for young women in my area. At the time I didn't think anything was wrong, but I'm coming to realize these girls were oddly detached and unloving.

Fast forward to today, I'm dating a girl whose belief system is essentially like that of every other highly educated American girl. Won't identify as a feminist due to the negative connotation, but basically endorses every feminist talking point. Book smart, yet incredibly irrational. Thinks with her emotions and would rather be lied to than have her feelings hurt by the truth.

Here's the thing: The latter girl is far more loving and caring than any of the ones whom I actually had far more in common with. For the first time, I can finally relate to the stereotypes about how girls behave in relationships.

Bonus anecdote: During my OKCupid days, I actually had two instances where I was messaged by a smoking hot 99% match from some other part of the country. Based on their profiles/questions, both of these girls were full on "red pill," to the point where literally all of their beliefs and philosophies that I could ascertain were identical to mine, sometimes even articulating things I believed more clearly than I could have.

The "soul mate" type allure of such girls is obvious (coupled with the fact that girls with red pill beliefs are almost always hot). But, when I actually conversed with these girls, one snapped at me for something, and the other became uninterested and eventually stopped responding when I threw game aside to revel in how much we had in common.

Clearly I don't have a sufficient sample size to say anything for certain, but I'd like to pose the hypothesis: Girls with a masculine belief system, despite usually being the most feminine girls in appearance, are emotionally detached and have tremendous difficulty loving like normal girls do.

It could be for a number of reasons. Maybe their brains are too masculine to truly behave as women, maybe they require an extreme level of masculinity from men they date to achieve polarity, or maybe their ability to relate to men simply gives them an overabundance of options. I'd love to hear if other men have experienced this as well.

Post: #2

When it comes to sexual tension and desire, feminine, irrational crazy ass women, will always have more pull to a man than an intelligent, rational, and logical woman. Furthermore, feminine irrational crazy ass women do not make good relationships where things need to be communicated and agreed upon, however even though intelligent, rational, and logical women will make a good spouse/partner, the sexual tension will eventually dissipate and disappear for any masculine man.

If you want an Ivy league girl who speaks 4 languages, has a 4.0 GPA, understands economics and current affair talking points, go for it, but after 5 years of marriage you'll be slipping off at night to jerk off to a woman more resembling an irrational storm that can't be controlled.

Pick your demons.

And to answer your question from my point of view: are girls with a masculine belief system emotionally detached and/or have tremendous difficulty loving like normal girls do.

Yeah, you're right. Their masculinity makes them search for men on the feminine end of the scale to get that tension and the paradigm is switched, i.e..- the man loving her and waiting to please her, while she is the logical one and remains in control. It's obvious when you look around to see who the masculine women are dating.

I can't give my opinion on the redpill stuff since I don't follow that pill logic. I see things from a masculinity and femininity stand point and it works for me.

Post: #3

Sadly I think it is the curse of men to desire and be attracted to emotionally unstable, sensitive, irrational women.

Viva la difference.

Post: #4

I find that the girls that are more "red pill" and logical are more selective off the bat, but if you make the cut, they're more committed. Whereas the emotionally flighty girls are the ones that are "in love with being in love". They're more giving off the bat, but are more likely to hit the road if you can't give them a constant supply of feelings.

Post: #5

Definitely have experienced it in the past and was drawn to the 'brainy sexy' type for a while. I think your last paragraph gives the reasons why.

I wouldn't agree that the masculine woman have the most feminine appearance - but maybe you mean something different. Girlie/emotional girls are more likely to look and act like we expected a feminine woman to. The more masculine a woman, the more she'll gravitate toward suits, jeans, etc. to look more on par with men or more 'professional.' When the dress goes on and the hair comes down the contrast is so stark it *seems* they're more feminine but only as a striking contrast - and it's only for show. They are doing it because they know that's what's expected but they don't enjoy it as much as a feminine woman.

I can enjoy conversations with women on many subjects, but if that goes too long chemistry is neutered. When you are confident in your knowledge or seeking to learn/explore, another man (or this forum) is the proper place not your sexual partner. Or you might have one partner who is more feminine and less intellectual, with another partner less feminine (or conditionally feminine) that you're more intellectually stimulated by. The dozen or so women I can think of that were very smart were capable of being extraordinarily cold. They were more likely to call it off, or need to assert a femi-dominant role so they didn't feel out-of-control. Usually I could trace this back to some sexual or severe emotional abuse in their past. I've learned to stay away from those women for dating. Even for 'friendship', you're better off talking to a guy or writing your thoughts out in a blog / forum like here.

Also, if you're being masculine enough the emphasis will NOT be on conversation, but on fucking, or foreplay, or teasing, or some kind of kino. The women that lead with their minds most desperately need a man who's good with his hands. Would you rather she talk or suck your dick? If you're not getting all the sex you want, you're her conversation bitch, her time ho, including LTRs. You've / we've got better things to do than engage in endless conversation with a woman. We've outcome driven, they're not - don't let them set the frame or pull you into discussions. Silence is golden, speech is silver - your time / energy are precious. You don't have to prove your intelligence to a woman, which is what happens by engaging in conversation beyond what's required to keep their kitties purring.

Kino, not convo is my motto.

Post: #6

(12-06-2016 09:27 PM)nek Wrote:  I find that the girls that are more "red pill" and logical are more selective off the bat, but if you make the cut, they're more committed. Whereas the emotionally flighty girls are the ones that are "in love with being in love". They're more giving off the bat, but are more likely to hit the road if you can't give them a constant supply of feelings.

100% agree. The question is just, with "red-pill girls", should any guy take the time to allow her to be selective?

Often times she may just lead you on for a long time, while you may think she is just "being selective". Even this "selection process" that is employed by the girl can be attractive in-and-of itself. It may cause you to think, -hey- if I made it this far, the sex ought to be close! ... When in reality she had no intention of ever being with you.

I find that these girls are constantly inundated with male attention that they don't even see a need for sex with men. They learn to live off of the attention and crave that a lot more than sex, especially since the attention is coming from so many different men.

Now that we live in the age of social media, this "male-attention complex" is even more extreme since the attention is literally inundating her from the moment she wakes up to the moment she goes to bed.

Post: #7

Define Red Pill girls. Do you mean basically a RVFer with tits? Masculine women are a whole basket of problems.

Post: #8

Linux, the relationship you describe of the woman seeking out a feminine man to balance out the scales brings to mind Safaree Samuels relationship with that pinkprint rapper broad, whats her name??

She delighted in being the damn breadwinner for them both and thing is she loved it and him that way! Her new rapper guy too opens shows for her.

Disgusting
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How do some guys agree to live like this?

Post: #9

Maybe there's a difference between women who are naturally the way they should be, and western women who make a thing out of it.

I predict that one day red pill will be the new feminism. Women will pride themselves on how red pill they are, and men will act red pill to cater to them. Even those who do a half assed job will succeed, as long as they're convincing enough.

Meanwhile, outside the west, women will continue being normal.

Post: #10

(12-07-2016 06:07 AM)Mr Johnny Montoya Wrote:  Maybe there's a difference between women who are naturally the way they should be, and western women who make a thing out of it.

I predict that one day red pill will be the new feminism. Women will pride themselves on how red pill they are, and men will act red pill to cater to them. Even those who do a half assed job will succeed, as long as they're convincing enough.

Meanwhile, outside the west, women will continue being normal.

Interesting idea. From what I've read a lot of Western women thrive on social validation, so they will tend to follow whatever social conventions that are popular at that time.

Post: #11

I'm not sure, but I will say of the females I know who go on and on about being red pill and anti feminist, almost all of them are using it to get attention from anti feminist men. They eat it up just like the libtards eat up the 'I am woman hear me roar' girls, quickly becoming orbiters because they get oneitis for the one girl with their politics.

More women will almost certainly follow suit soon enough because of how effective it can be (and because even among orbiters the ones who will appreciate them will be higher quality than the liberal men). Once enough do and it stops being effective they'll move onto the next trend.

Post: #12

This is an interesting concept actually.

First of all we are talking about two different things here. Red Pill =/= logical, objective, conservative, and emotionally stoic. At least, not as far as women and male/female dynamics are concerned. A woman can be self-aware about the social contrast between men and women and how the feminine and masculine mesh together equally but opposite. I'll give an example between two women that I know of:

Lauren Southern is a popular alt-right news reporter and activist that many people consider to be a "Red Pill Female." That said, she never talks about the dynamics between men and women, is in her 20's and is not married or having any children, and is firmly planted in her career as a talking head for alt-right buzz media. Just because she is anti-left and argues her political points with sounds logic and reasoning, does not make her a "Red Pill" woman in a game sense.

On the other end of the spectrum, one of my good friends back east is 29 still looking beautiful and feminine, married, has 3 kids, and is a stay at home mother. She loves to cook, bake, clean, and take care of her family. She stays off social media except to promote her small local business of selling homemade soaps, lip balms, and fragrances. Her husband works to provide for the family. She believes that is the ideal life for women and it's how men and women should be. Last time I visited her I came in the house to her breast feeding her newborn and she fed me, my friend, and her husband with fresh baked pie and cookies. Now, she is perfectly okay with alternative lifestyles, gay and trans people, and all that leftist hippie shit - but those things don't really concern her so she doesn't bother worrying about them. I don't have political conversations with her as it's not something a Red Pill woman should really care about it.

I would say personally that any woman who is really politically minded, cold, and logical would make a poor partner. Women are supposed to be emotionally unhinged and embracing their femininity, not subduing it. A woman who is like that is one who has been programmed to hate what it means to be a woman. This is why so many women are left leaning. They just want everyone to be happy and be taken care of with no worries in the world. These things are fantasy and unsustainable in the real world with a real government governing real people. Women think emotionally.

One of the girls I'm seeing right now on the outside you would think is a masculine minded chick. Short hair, covered in tattoos, drives a pickup truck, motorcycle, owns her own house, has a high-paying career, and never wants children (and had elective surgery to set it in stone). She works at two offices part-time and has been talking to me for months now about going full time at one or the other one. From what she has told me, one of the offices would be far better for her professionally and financially so it would be the obvious choice (better pay, better benefits, better job security) but the other office feels better so she is torn. Women. Think. Emotionally. The ones that don't are either bullshitting their way through it or have very high T levels.

Post: #13

(12-07-2016 08:29 AM)eddie_7 Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 06:07 AM)Mr Johnny Montoya Wrote:  Maybe there's a difference between women who are naturally the way they should be, and western women who make a thing out of it.

I predict that one day red pill will be the new feminism. Women will pride themselves on how red pill they are, and men will act red pill to cater to them. Even those who do a half assed job will succeed, as long as they're convincing enough.

Meanwhile, outside the west, women will continue being normal.

Interesting idea. From what I've read a lot of Western women thrive on social validation, so they will tend to follow whatever social conventions that are popular at that time.

I think all women need validation. The thing is, outside of the west, they get positive attention from an early age for being nice and normal. They're used to it. There's no novelty, it's just the way it is to them, so they don't do anything in particular to get validation because they've always had it (the pat on the head, no big deal kind, not the worshipping kind).

For that reason, because of the huge differences between them, I've lost all interest in western women. I don't even care about game beyond the very basics. It's not necessary. Just find a decent female and do what you know is best, what comes naturally. Animals don't need much game, why should we.

Post: #14

(12-07-2016 12:18 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Lauren Southern is a popular alt-right news reporter and activist that many people consider to be a "Red Pill Female." That said, she never talks about the dynamics between men and women, is in her 20's and is not married or having any children, and is firmly planted in her career as a talking head for alt-right buzz media. Just because she is anti-left and argues her political points with sounds logic and reasoning, does not make her a "Red Pill" woman in a game sense.

I watch Rebel Media a lot and generally quite like Lauren Southern's reporting, but something always bothered me. One time my wife watched an episode with me and after I said it's good that she's not a brainwashed feminist like most girls her age, she asked me why then isn't this girl getting married and making a home? Why is she out there in dangerous places surrounded by men?

No argument there.

A Red Pill man should be winning on the male side of Game. A Red Pill woman should be winning on the female side of Game.

Post: #15

(12-07-2016 06:11 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 12:18 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Lauren Southern is a popular alt-right news reporter and activist that many people consider to be a "Red Pill Female." That said, she never talks about the dynamics between men and women, is in her 20's and is not married or having any children, and is firmly planted in her career as a talking head for alt-right buzz media. Just because she is anti-left and argues her political points with sounds logic and reasoning, does not make her a "Red Pill" woman in a game sense.

I watch Rebel Media a lot and generally quite like Lauren Southern's reporting, but something always bothered me. One time my wife watched an episode with me and after I said it's good that she's not a brainwashed feminist like most girls her age, she asked me why then isn't this girl getting married and making a home? Why is she out there in dangerous places surrounded by men?

No argument there.

A Red Pill man should be winning on the male side of Game. A Red Pill woman should be winning on the female side of Game.

But but but.... she has a nice bumpa!

Post: #16

I think the best woman for a LTR is a woman who is red pill but doesn't know it overly. Meaning that she tries to be feminine and find a good man, but isn't overly political about the sexes. She's too busy being loving towards her friends and family that the thought of talking about the finer points of being "red pill" exhausts her. That saps her feminine energy. Philosophy is a man's sport, and for a good reason. There's simply no reason for a woman to be so political.

I will give Ann Coulter a lifetime shitlordette pass for being such a pain in the ass towards triggered liberals.

Post: #17

^what you're describing is a girl who is just naturally feminine and knows and embraces her role(s). Not one who was taught to be intellectually red pill by watching and reading alt news websites and trying to seem cool and hip by going against the grain

Post: #18

Exactly. Her red pill philosophy is one of a good upbringing instead of trying to spend too much time in male spaces. Her happiness is derived from the company of a quality man, not endless blogs and forums.

Post: #19

Woman is born.

Man is forged in struggle.

If she is "redpill" and comes from "redpill country" or home she is ok. But when girls opinions are far off from the mainstream culture, it should be a red flag. Women are just a product of their environment and if she is from polluted environment but has healthy opinions without reason, there is probably something off about her.

This same applies to girl who are politically invested, especially in ideologies that are not in favour presently.
Nazi female in 1940 - normal. Nazi female 2016 - damaged.

Post: #20

Why you guys bashing Lauren southern she's only 21, it be concerned if she was 29 and single but 21 is a different story id give it a year or so and we'll see she's got LTR locked up