Post: #26

You can teach girls girl game by not fucking girls without girl game. They'll learn once they stop getting that sweet, sweet dick.

Dont' fuck rude chicks, don't fuck stupid chicks, don't fuck chicks who aren't putting in the effort.

Bottomline, up your standards and the girls have to follow suit. If all guys upped their standards then every girl would have passable girl game or they'd stop getting laid.

Post: #27

^

In theory that works, but in practice there's another dick around the corner, one Tinder swipe away.

Post: #28

The point is that you make yourself better and attract girls with better game.

Free market competition trumps everything. Teaching girls game would be about as effective as government subsidised courses on same.

Post: #29

My experience tells me that women are swimming in an abundance of guys that are ready to facilitate them at every turn, without them doing as much as raising a finger. (Okay maybe they do raise a finger, to swipe on tinder).

Now ask yourself, given the foregoing, what would make such women receptive to your attempts at improving their 'girl game', when all they need to do to have their lives subsidized is put out occasionally?

In my opinion, not much.

A girl will either have it, or not have it. And those that don't have it will generally move toward the path of least resistance, the spiritual broader path. I would keep replacing till i find one that's worth my time.

And its not only American women as someone pointed out above. I live in Africa, and can corroborate the saying "When big brother sneezes Africa catches a cold". The vast majority of city girls here watch the same shows on TV that you guys watch; they have been programmed like your typical American woman.

The global wave of feminism is here fellows.

But I'm not here to be cynical. To each his own. Just my philosophy.

Post: #30

(11-18-2016 11:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  why would I train them how to be a stone cold, 100% effective, manipulative, gold-digging sociopath?

Why would any mother want her son to be a stone cold, 100% effective, manipulative, sex-hungry sociopath?

Post: #31

Because it provides him the best chances of passing on his (and ergo, her) genes.

Post: #32

(11-19-2016 04:30 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  ^

It's not manipulation. It's conditioning.

The difference is one of intent, not action.

Thank you. I had to google 'conditioning' for it's true definition but I see now it is a better term compared to manipulation.

(11-19-2016 08:31 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 10:33 AM)Stimulus Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 09:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^But that's not "girl-game". That's simple subservience to your expectations.

Game by definition is a manipulation. No LTR should be based around that.

How is that not 'girl-game'? In the end we all -men and women- do the same, trying to find a woman/man matching our personal 'list of wishes' as much as possible and help them matching it more so by 'steering' them.

Game doesn't stop when entering a relationship. The 'manipulation' goes on and on like an infinite loop. The word manipulation might make it sound like something negative, while in fact it's just a natural thing.
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This is a perspective that I think is born from a lot of guys here having never had a really serious long term relationship that they'd committed to 100%.

Believe me, there's a point at which the mutual "game" gives way to plain old fashioned teamwork, and if your relationship can't progress to that point then it's doomed, flat out.

I don't teach my wife game, because game is a nomad skill you take to the road. I teach her how to be a better team mate, and it works.

Like John Galt said my keyword wasn't the best. Coming out of a 12 year relationship I very much agree with you about the part where 'game' makes way for teamwork. Actually some things become less of a nuisance and you just go with the flow, give and take some. Game sets the tone in the beginning.

My previous explanation might be a bit off because of the language barrier.

Post: #33

(11-18-2016 10:40 PM)crispytaco Wrote:  I'm only teaching that to my teenager daughter. And both boy and girl game.

My wife teaches our teenager how to be a good woman, much of it in the best possible way: by example. I teach her how to recognize men's game so she can avoid being manipulated. I think that is the correct allocation of duties between parents.

Post: #34

(11-19-2016 09:02 PM)Fortis Wrote:  You can teach girls girl game by not fucking girls without girl game. They'll learn once they stop getting that sweet, sweet dick.

Dont' fuck rude chicks, don't fuck stupid chicks, don't fuck chicks who aren't putting in the effort.

Bottomline, up your standards and the girls have to follow suit. If all guys upped their standards then every girl would have passable girl game or they'd stop getting laid.

This. Maybe if you want to teach chicks "girl game", you should focus on spreading RP thoughts to as many men as possible. But it goes beyond that. There are, of course, a few different major practices within the RP community. This may be one of the only areas where MGTOW does some level of good (and even that's questionable). But, if one could somehow convince guys who are game aware to avoid the lower dregs of women, women, in turn, would be forced to up their own standards or go WGTOW/Cat Lady. Of course, this only works if a large number of men are both RP'd and willing to play by that line, which is unlikely to happen.

It also depends on what you mean by "Girl Game". One of the most popular series of books on relationships is The Rules by Fein and Schneider. All these books are written for women and are essentially girl game as we might understand game. That is, it is mainly about getting the guy to commit and the long-term roles or duties of the woman/wife are sort of glossed over.

There are books, seminars, websites, and people who teach what might more accurately be referred to as "wife game" to different groups of women. Those teachers tend to be religious, or at least secular traditionalists. That is where you go to get the Stepford Wife prototype, but they are few and far between.

I see no reason to teach or encourage women to learn the first type of girl game. All that does is teach women who do not have innate or learned LTR skills how to trick men in to commitment. As for the second wife-type game, how many twentysomething girls have you met that would respond well to that type of "education"? Is the answer almost none? Because for me, it is almost none.

In reality, teaching girls "game" (in a good way) is a lot like teaching men game. It involves deprogramming years of psychological crap that has been pumped in to them by everyone and everything they have ever known.

But, if you want to know the secret to knocking half of that stuff out of her concious mind, it is very simple. Go to the bakery section of your local grocery store. Buy a birthday cake and two candles - one with a big 3 on it and another with a big 0 on it. Take it to her place, light those candles up, and watch thirty years of progressive propaganda just melt off of her face.

Post: #35

Closing in on 2 years heres how my opinion has changed.

Yes it is our responsibility.
In the service industry we say what we want. Medium-Rare, Crunch wrap supreme w/no tomatoes, 2 bandanas please, etc. We don't expect waiters, cooks, and cashiers to know what we want--that would be hella foolish.

In interactions theres a lowkeyness that we are to treat others the way we would like to be treated. But we are still expected to speak up for ourselves.

In game at certain skill levels we begin to impose our own will with girls: thats not cute, I like it when you do that, good girl, don't do that.

Women fall into the frame of the man they have chosen to be their mate. Ultimately they will do what it takes to secure the commitment of that man. If she has the skills to keep me on her own--good. She will still do shit that tests me and it is my responsibility to correct her and tell her what not to do. As the male it is my job to protect the relationship (whatever that may be). Me not correcting her is me not doing my duty as a man--any dude with a main chick or GF knows what I mean, they try to destroy the relationship in their own little ways.

If she doesn't have them that is not necessarily bad but if I choose to date her it is my responsibility to make sure she does the things to keep me. If she really does like me that much she will have no problem doing them.

**teaching her to do things isn't necessarily a "hand her a list" type deal. Its pushing her (hard) to do those things and setting an expectation and letting it be known that you are disappointed in her when she doesnt meet them and why you are disappointed.

Example:
Girl used to make me dinner after work because I got off so late.
Then she stopped.
I should have let her know that it wasn't cool that she knows I get off work late and she didn't even think about me to cook me anything.

In conclusion--yes it is my responsibility to make her be a better bitch. Move over Big Baller Brand #BBB

Post: #36

Some of you are confusing game with (self) improvement.

For example, as men we can learn game without lifting weights, reading, or getting our money right. Vice versa too: see some of jariel's threads.

For women, 'girl game' would be what helps her get a man to commit, irrelevant of her actual 'wifely' abilities, underlying personality, etc. Ideally 'girl game' would be identical to self improvement, since men would commit to a woman who could take care of a home and is pleasant to be around. Unfortunately, because of demographics, thirst, laws, race to the bottom... once she get's a man to commit she can forget about all that 'girl game' and she hasn't actually improved herself.

If I'm in a relationship with her, of course I'm going to push her to be the best relationship material girl she can be. Jordan Peterson talks about wanting the best partner possible and putting in the effort to improve yourself to get there.

Post: #37

Girls won't knowingly teach you anything useful about how to get girls. Don't expect fish to teach fishermen how to catch fish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KzCfIYArmQ
So any thoughts of reciprocity you might be having should go right out the window.
If she needs to be taught this stuff you should be asking yourself if she's worth the effort since there's never any guarantee she'll stick around.
Your responsibility is to teach your girl, and even then, she's not your girl, it's just your turn.

In short, don't teach her girl game, teach her how to please you.