Post: #51

Nothing in game is ever 100% set in stone.

However, there are a lot of situations where you can play the odds that certain things will work out better 98% of the time. This topic is one.

The problem most smart guys have is that they don't have social savvy to know when to drop bombs and when to hold back. No one on this earth likes the autist who is always trying to school people.

If you are actually a sharp guy and can gauge the tone of an interaction you can really do some damage. But. For general game purposes isn't very often.

I like this from Easy C:

(11-03-2016 10:13 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  I've never actually seen it.

I HAVE seen that women can be turned on by knowing that the guy they're talking to is intellectually sharp or just smart, but that's very different from them being turned on by an actual intellectual discussion.

Intellectually sharp vs. intellectual discussion. Two completely different things.

Most people think of intellectual discussion as some sort of sustained technical deliberation on a subject. That's not what you want.

Being intellectually sharp is knowing exactly when to interject something deeper or more technical into the conversation.

If you throw in intellect where it can be appreciated it has a great affect. Most dorks make the mistake by throwing it in where it is not needed and won't be appreciated.

Say that you are out with a group of people and they are having a conversation about whatever but they are struggling with it and the social wheels are starting to grind to a stop. This is where you come in with a well-timed quip that helps everyone in the party get past the sticking point of the conversation. Maybe you have some intimate knowledge of the subject and you throw a dumbed down bone into the fray almost as if you would rather not really dive in to the conversation.

Another way being sharp can come in handy is if you are bored in a conversation. If you drop a nugget in a self-amused way chicks will notice.

Say you just ate dinner and everyone's full but contemplating a desert. Some guys in the party are saying something boring about have an extra stomach for desert.

You come back and say actually it's more like if you have a jar full of rocks. There is still room for sand.

Again, the trick here is the tone and the manner in which you say it. Amused and semi-dismissive. If you do it right women will notice that you are the brilliant one in the room. It's like subtle intellectual AMOGing. I've used that exact line before.

Maybe this would be a good subject in a book on gentleman's dinner party etiquette.

I guess what I am trying to say is that you can use intellect in seduction but it needs to be combined with social savvy. In other words, it shouldn't be your main tool.

(11-03-2016 10:26 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  I've had deep, intellectual conversations with some women that lasted for hours.

Ranging from politics, economics, math, philosophy, physics. These weren't lightly treaded subjects with a pedestrian understanding, these were girls actually studying the subject and were knowledgeable in the area because they were graduate students or otherwise.

It's gotten me laid because I can keep the conversation going, understand, and drop little tidbits that excite them.

Girls love to talk. Some girls get highly emotional about this sort of thing. You have to recognize this, and capitalize on it. Emotions=juices flowing.

The trick is figuring out the right moment to slip a tongue down their throat.

Everything about it can get really intense.

I had a week-long fling with a girl based on a conversation like this. I think we were up until 7am the first night. Other nights we slipped into her hotel room and started going for it until a male sharing the hotel room showed up and he got all weirded out. Ended up going to dinner with her, pushing her up against a wall on our way back while walking down the street, started kissing and groping her, then getting her to suck my dick in the car. Things like this continued until I had to drive back at the end of the vacation. She wrecked me afterward.

I couldn't believe a girl that connected with me on such a level would drop me like that. I mourned the death of that fling for entirely too long.

It directly lead to me discovering Roissy, then Roosh.

I've had encounters like this that are some of the greatest memories. Mostly because of the urgency and the intimacy. As if we knew we only had a short time to spend together and needed to fit many things into one night.

Rare but very fun.

Post: #52

I think it's beneficial to be knowledge about everything, mention things in passing, but never attempt to have a discussion

Post: #53

Intellectual conversation only has a place if you've previously demonstrated authority in her world, if she already has the hots for you or something you can provide. Intellect can deepen a connection but hardly ever ignite it.

Post: #54

No. Unless you grab them by the pussy.

Post: #55

No.

The discussion itself never does.

But they often can be turned on by the confidence and power displayed by a man's obvious mastery of complex subject matter, eloquently conveyed.

See the difference?

Confidence and power are sexual turn ons, whether they are displayed on field of sport, the field of battle, the lecture-hall, or anywhere else.

Post: #56

What QC said, took the words outta my mouth. Confidence and mastery was what I was gonna say but same thing.

Post: #57

If you are an expert at pool, you can show her how to hold the cue stick and use that to escalate.

Playing pool doesn't drop panties, but in this sense playing pool can turn a girl on.

The same method is effective in intellectual discussion. Grab her hand, use it to make markings on the chalkboard.

Especially foreign girls are, hm, impressed by a man who can have intellectual discussion. For this it's best to have an intellectual discussion with someone she considers very smart. The attitude from my understanding is more of an excitement at being associated with someone who is high-status than some interest in the discussion itself.

In those senses, yes, there are niche situations where it does turn women on. But in each of those instances you have to be crushingly more knowledgeable at the topic, which in spirit means the answer to the question is no.

For 90%+ of american girls intellectual topics bring the first stage of death to your chances with her.

Post: #58

I'd say while you're still in the feeling out process it's better not to risk it by going over her head and causing her to not be able to relate to you. If you can tell she's attracted to you then this may only make you seem too far out of her league and cause her to feel overly inferior to you. AKA overgaming.

However, if you want some type of intellectual stimulation out of the deal then what you can do is to figure out which subjects she feels like she has knowledge on, what areas she feels she's smart about and then subtly angle the conversation in that direction.

It's like a social exercise on your part to figure her out then lay an easy trap for her where she can make herself look good in front of you and make her feel good about interacting with you. Make her feel like she's impressing you ect.

It's sort of like pre-empting the qualification process if that makes sense. Where she starts qualifying herself to you and starts feeling like she's impressed you enough to earn some respect.

Then from there it should be all downhill.

Post: #59

Women can start respecting you as "the clever guy". They can be charmed by a person who can command other men using good vocabulary and having ideas most people wouldn't think of.
However , unless this intelligence is reflected on the social scale ( head of a sect , head of something ) , women will not be sexually interested.

Post: #60

There's a fine line between "intellectual conversation" and "boring omegaman".

I had an adjunct professor in college insist on coming back to my apartment and sucking my dick after she heard me ask a piercing question of a guest lecturer. She was going to break down eventually anyway, she was already into me, but that closed the deal.

Dragging the topic off into something that isn't interesting just to show you know something about it, on the other hand, is going to make you look like a POS.

You're going to have better luck with hinting at intelligence in a subtle way than you are demonstrating it. Leaving a copy of The Economist on the corner of the nightstand is good, reading aloud to her about Indoanesia being at a crossroads is not.

Post: #61

It could, but as mentioned above displaying confidence and I'll add *being different* are crucial. What chick wants to hear the same old "so what do you do?" shmuck bullshit?

I opened two chicks on Saturday and the conversation turned to psychology and intersexual dynamics. I was asking them questions like "when was the last time a guy grabbed your attention/blew your mind?" They were all in, and their answers were interesting, particularly through a red pill lens. Gave some good ins for teasing as well. One girl was complaining about how she wanted had wanted to fuck this guy but was really turned off by how he practically ran to the bar she was at, and she caught him in line as she was leaving. I guess it went over well bc one of the girls was texting me asking if she could come over but she was barely a six and I didn't want to be stuck with her after busting my nut

Post: #62

The discussion on itself no, but maybe your delivery does.

Post: #63

(08-14-2018 06:35 AM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  I guess it went over well bc one of the girls was texting me asking if she could come over but she was barely a six and I didn't want to be stuck with her after busting my nut

Manage expectations up front.

"I've got some bullshit going on in the morning, conference call with (a European city she probably thinks is cool)."

Pay for her Uber after.

"This was awesome, I've got to call it a night but I'll get you an Uber."

Don't ask, tell.

"Text me when you get home. Here, take a water bottle for the ride."

Post: #64

Rarely, under certain circumstances:
- she's into you
- you're mixing seriousness with negging
- you know when to escalate. No matter how intellectual a chick is, she'll grow bored of discussion

Types of girls:

A) she is a feminist, extreme left, and all that stuff

Ridicule her feminazi ideas of killing all men, ridicule her beta orbiters who go with her to their marches and parades in hopes of getting pussy, be cool, confident, don't give a shit, HOWEVER, also intelligently explain why modern feminism is cancer and why stealing money from hard working people is bad, etc. Maybe you will make her reject her ways, or perhaps you'll only get laid, but oh boy, do those girls like cock.

B) she is "deep", "not like those other girls", that bullshit

So you've met her at a pool party or in a club, you're both part of a larger, multi-squad group, you isolate her on a sofa or on the parking lot of the nightclub, you talk a little about life, society, her stupid ex, and then she starts spilling shit like "I'm not easy, I'm not like the other girls, I don't practice ONS, I'm deep".

She is.
The only thing deep is her vagina.
Tell her "of course you're not", bring her to your place and fuck her.

C) pot-smoking, relaxed, hippie, reggae chicks, etc.

So, again, you'll meet her at a house party or at a barbecue party in the forest, there will probably be 20 people around.
The procedure:
Isolate her, lay with her on the grass, talk about corrupt politicians, evil wars, smoking pot and being all happy and joyful, but never for a moment forget that at one point you need to say "hey, enough of this, why don't you and I go and be happy together for the rest of the night" and it is on.

Post: #65

The girls I have as long term rotation girls tend to have above average iq 115-135. Sex is only about 10-20 minutes so the conversation before and after being relatively stimulating helps.

Thing is most women aren't that intelligent so it's a hard polarize. For girls who are smart though I would say it's a turn on yes. I've hooked up with girls smarter than me though and because I couldn't dominate her via intellectual prowess I had to do it via physicality. I would see them visibly get bored at topics of interests for me. I'm somewhere between 115-135. And I've hooked up with at least two 140+s who are into aerospace physics and the topics that I found stimulating where childish to them. So I lowered our interactions to more physical pleasure so we could relate eg) sex/food/drugs. I'd wager this works with dumb girls too.

Post: #66

(11-03-2016 04:20 PM)killjoy Wrote:  In my experience it dries up pussy like the Sahara

Its best to keep it simple and save deep, philosophical discussion on people i'm not trying to fuck

Not really. Most women simply don't have the capacity for sincere philosophical discussion. I have long tried to conduct intellectual conversation with women, but run into their deep "religious" beliefs which will always trump logic and reason.

Post: #67

(11-03-2016 04:20 PM)killjoy Wrote:  In my experience it dries up pussy like the Sahara

Its best to keep it simple and save deep, philosophical discussion on people i'm not trying to fuck

Exactly. And the ones who do are not into hooking up. I notice the ones who like to talk most about life are often "celibate'"

Post: #68

(08-21-2018 09:57 PM)the_legend Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:20 PM)killjoy Wrote:  In my experience it dries up pussy like the Sahara

Its best to keep it simple and save deep, philosophical discussion on people i'm not trying to fuck

Exactly. And the ones who do are not into hooking up. I notice the ones who like to talk most about life are often "celibate'"

I haven't found this to be true. They're probably just more rare and thus in demand because there's more high iq men than high iq women. This makes even a relatively high SMV man too needy and turn them off. Nevertheless for every 1 girl I have this with I have 3-4 guys I do. Male friends have other issues they bring to the table.

Post: #69

There was a study published recently that women find men who are too intelligent a turn off.

Post: #70

Even before knowing anything about game I knew that intellectual discussions are a turn off. Even for some male friends.

Post: #71

Good point. A wise man once said, be intelligent, but never show it.

Post: #72

While I think that trying to engage women in intellectual discussions reap very few rewards, I have found that dropping some knowledge in the beginning about something that they know about can help spike their interest and open them up.
For example, I met a young woman from Nepal a while back and when she told me that she was Nepalese, I mentioned something about the capital city, Kathmandu. Her face immediately lit up like a light bulb and she started asking me about myself and if if I have been there. Unfortunately it didn't come to anything as she genuinely couldn't stay and talk. Still, if she was able to, I would of just proceeded as I would with any other woman. I wasn't going to start discussing Nepal's history as a buffer state between British controlled India and China or anything like that.

Long story short, I think a small dose of intellectual talk can be used in the beginning to spark interest and to open her up, assuming she has a few interests or is from a foreign land. Then, game on as you would any other woman.

Post: #73

Very few women can vibe on a truly intellectual level. They think feeding a stray cat is profound work.

Post: #74

Women prefer wit over intellect when it comes to feelz. However, you can detour into the sublime, profound or merely intelligent observation and/or analysis before getting back to conventional game. If done right they take notice and file it away for future reference.

Something I have found is that it works better to wrap up by asking intelligent questions rather than trying to give intelligent answers/opinions/conclusions. It leaves them with something to think about and you don't immediately and directly expose yourself to critique.

Post: #75

(11-03-2016 04:20 PM)killjoy Wrote:  In my experience it dries up pussy like the Sahara

Its best to keep it simple and save deep, philosophical discussion on people i'm not trying to fuck

honestly I really think it depends on the girl. If you want to fuck a retard for the night then dont have an intellictual conversation with them. However, if you want to have a strong emotional connection and better sex then its best to vibe something about you are both passionate about.