Post: #1

Im just about done reading the free version of this I put on my Kindle, and overall gayness aside, found the advice of the character of Lord Henry to be pretty much identical to the stuff that is written on this site and others like it. Which is pretty impressive considering the book was written 115 years ago. I'll have to go back through the book to pick out specific examples but was just seeing if anyone else here has read it and come to the same conclusion about Lord Henry.

Post: #2

I quoted Oscar Wilde a couple times and people would say, "Roosh, you know he's gay right?"

Yes, but he still understood women and game.

Post: #3

This quote is from Dorian Gray.

"“I am afraid that women appreciate cruelty, downright cruelty, more than anything else. They have wonderfully primitive instincts. ... They love being dominated.”

That is from the mind of a man who understands women and game.

Post: #4

Ah I read this book when I was barely in 8th grade I think. I had no idea what game was at that time, I still managed to find the book really interesting and a very good one as well.

Seems like I should give it another read.

Post: #5

Maybe Oscar Wilde wasn't gay. Maybe he was a godmode player who banged the wrong Duke's wife, and they had to set him up.

Post: #6

Some gay friends have told me, "You'd make a great gay," due to my zero-tolerance policy towards female bullshit. I think a lot of people don't even understand gay men. Most have a, "Honey, you ain't shit attitude!"

I often tell white men that they'd be better off observing gay men and black men instead of being homophobic and racist.

Post: #7

(08-07-2011 03:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Some gay friends have told me, "You'd make a great gay," due to my zero-tolerance policy towards female bullshit. I think a lot of people don't even understand gay men. Most have a, "Honey, you ain't shit attitude!"

I often tell white men that they'd be better off observing gay men and black men instead of being homophobic and racist.

I think you are onto something there.

There is this guy in my nursing course, everyone thought he was gay, but he has banged 6 hot girls in my course. Dude has the same zero-tolerance policy towards female bullshit.

But the main trait I noticed is that he is very comfortable around women and able to get the icy self-entitled girls to open up very quickly, even below the waist haha.

I think men of all races should observe gay men, while filtering out the feminie attributes of gay men do.

Post: #8

(02-16-2015 02:41 AM)Lucario Wrote:  

(08-07-2011 03:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Some gay friends have told me, "You'd make a great gay," due to my zero-tolerance policy towards female bullshit. I think a lot of people don't even understand gay men. Most have a, "Honey, you ain't shit attitude!"

I often tell white men that they'd be better off observing gay men and black men instead of being homophobic and racist.

I think you are onto something there.

There is this guy in my nursing course, everyone thought he was gay, but he has banged 6 hot girls in my course. Dude has the same zero-tolerance policy towards female bullshit.

But the main trait I noticed is that he is very comfortable around women and able to get the icy self-entitled girls to open up very quickly, even below the waist haha.

I think men of all races should observe gay men, while filtering out the feminie attributes of gay men do.

Quoted for truth. They're not interested in hitting it so they don't give a fuck. It's why girls these days often say gay men are so attractive, even though that doesn't make sense at first because they're so feminine. People think it's because of all the effort they put into their looks, but it's actually because of their don't give a fuck attitude.

Post: #9

(08-07-2011 03:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Some gay friends have told me, "You'd make a great gay," due to my zero-tolerance policy towards female bullshit. I think a lot of people don't even understand gay men. Most have a, "Honey, you ain't shit attitude!"

I often tell white men that they'd be better off observing gay men and black men instead of being homophobic and racist.

Back in the day, Roissy talked about exactly the same thing: women love gay guys, because they get non-supplicative behaviour from them.

Most guys are so obvious when it comes to their pick-up that there's absolutely no challenge whatsoever for the girl. The only time they tend to feel on the backfoot is when the guy they are talking to displays no interest.

If you hear, "Are you gay?" from a girl, there's a tendency to assume you have to change your entire style/language/personality - yet you're better off saying, "No" and carrying on as you were. The girl is feeling uncomfortable because you aren't making an obvious, clumsy pass at her like all the other guys.

Post: #10

(08-07-2011 12:24 PM)DTA Wrote:  Im just about done reading the free version of this I put on my Kindle, and overall gayness aside, found the advice of the character of Lord Henry to be pretty much identical to the stuff that is written on this site and others like it. Which is pretty impressive considering the book was written 115 years ago. I'll have to go back through the book to pick out specific examples but was just seeing if anyone else here has read it and come to the same conclusion about Lord Henry.

It's been a couple months since I read Dorian Grey, but I remember disliking Lord Henry more and more as the book went on. At first Lord Henry's words seem profound and liberating as he advocates living life to the fullest and selfishly, but as the book continues, we see how Lord Henry's influence turns Dorian into a monster.

Lord Henry is also a hypocrite who talks for attention and intellectual amusement but does not practice what he preaches. Although he extols the virtues of an immoral life, we see that he leads a conventional and respectable lifestyle, never actually indulging in any of the vices that he waxes lyrical about.

It seems to me that the fundamental differences between Lord Henry and this forum is that firstly, taking Lord Henry's advice leads to self-destruction, but the advice shared here tends to leads to self-improvement. Secondly, most of the advice shared here is distilled wisdom from men who have lived and learned, and not keyboard jockeying or theory-crafting (which is basically what Lord Henry did).

So no, I don't find the two that similar. Maybe inasmuch as both advocate living life to the fullest and somewhat selfishly, but otherwise no.

Post: #11

(02-16-2015 06:20 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  

(08-07-2011 03:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Some gay friends have told me, "You'd make a great gay," due to my zero-tolerance policy towards female bullshit. I think a lot of people don't even understand gay men. Most have a, "Honey, you ain't shit attitude!"

I often tell white men that they'd be better off observing gay men and black men instead of being homophobic and racist.

Back in the day, Roissy talked about exactly the same thing: women love gay guys, because they get non-supplicative behaviour from them.

Most guys are so obvious when it comes to their pick-up that there's absolutely no challenge whatsoever for the girl. The only time they tend to feel on the backfoot is when the guy they are talking to displays no interest.

If you hear, "Are you gay?" from a girl, there's a tendency to assume you have to change your entire style/language/personality - yet you're better off saying, "No" and carrying on as you were. The girl is feeling uncomfortable because you aren't making an obvious, clumsy pass at her like all the other guys.

I've heard this at two stages in my life, it is like an expression that results from desperate confusion from women.

Here is how I've heard it in a negative light: "Are you gay?" as a comment from a woman that was throwing herself at me in desperation. I was a teenager with absolute zero game and I assumed she was trying to rob me or thought I was someone else.

Here is how I've heard it in a positive light: "Are you gay?" as an expression of disbelief from a bar pickup that went so smoothly that the girl couldn't believe how easily she opened herself up to going home with a complete stranger.

Either way its like their brains are processing "The events that I am experiencing are not concurrent with anything I associate with the patterns of a heterosexual man...perhaps this is not a heterosexual man"