Post: #1

I'm struggling out here a bit, I think my eye contact could be improved as one piece.

If someone could break it down that would be great.

When I'm in conversation I only break eye contact when she does but during approaches during the day (as I walk up) pointers would be appreciated.

Post: #2

I think the key to eye contact is that are you able to show your intent just by looking at the girls eyes. If you are able to read what a girl is about to do or how she is going to move, I think that can tell a lot to the girl about you.

Post: #3

I recommend reading chapter about eyes in the book Body Language by Alan and Barbara Pease. It has really good information. That book is also used in colleges here in Croatia.

Post: #4

Beyond Borders had a great thread about all sorts of dominant gestures to use with women including eye contact. He has a lot of useful of insights. Below is something I have incorporated into my own arsenal.

Quote:- Not all the things I do come from a place of apathy, though. For example, here's another very common non-verbal move I use very generously, and I really love this one because I can use it on women I meet in just about any environment, whether they're already invested in me or not. And it's a very simple one you all probably know.

The staring contest.

In my experience, girls are shit at staring contests, but for some reason they've convinced themselves they're good at it (or maybe they're used to weak-kneed guys buckling in front of them). They just don't have the mental frame for it or something, or they’re too easily distracted and quickly lose patience. But they really will give it their best shot.

It seems like a silly game, but we already know girls like silly games, and it's interesting how much you can exert your psychological dominance over a woman just through this silly bit of playtime. I don't honestly know if I've ever lost a staring contest with a woman unless she put her hand up in my face, made a crazy funny face, or did something else outrageous to cheat.

To me, even that is a sign of her defeat, and now my frame is strong enough that even these tactics cannot get me to budge.

For me I take these staring contests extremely serious. You should too. I mean, give me a break - if a woman can straight up stare you down, who has the upper hand between you? The answer is obvious. So in the spirit of that, here’s two tricks I leverage to always win.

One, is you should always just focus on one eye – don’t try to focus on both. I don’t ever try staring at their nose or between their eyes either because I feel that weakens my frame and makes me too self-conscious. Just hone in on the one eye so you have a very specific focal point and so you don't get distracted by the rest of her face.

Also, when I'm staring into a woman's eyes, whether I just met her or we are dating, I'm not just holding her gaze, I'm sending telepathic messages to her. Telling her all the dirty things I'm going to do to her. Telling her how I'm going to own her pussy and have her sucking my cock. Telling her how hard I’m going to bang her. Yes, I'm being serious about this.

I'm wearing a mellow poker face in this moment, but my energy gets extremely intense, at least internally, and whether or not she can feel the sexual energy I'm blasting her with, she can definitely feel that she is way out of her element. I don't think I can over-exaggerate too much how forceful my thoughts are in this moment.

Don't acknowledge it too much after she crumbles. Sometimes I'll say something cocky like, "I never lose," if they make a big deal of it, but for the most part you want to smirk it off and change the subject. You'll notice you can see the shift in her, the way she's looking at you a little bit different as if reassessing who she is dealing with. If it seems like I'm overstating this, feel free to contradict, but I really don't think I am - this stuff is powerful and more guys should try it when they meet girls in bars.

- Here's one for women you haven't bedded yet. We all know the power of eye contact. One move I've perfected over the years is the prolonged bedroom eyes - for me, it stands in a category of its own from general eye contact discussions because it's not just about reading eye contact and understanding what it means - it's about forcing your eye contact upon someone.

What I mean by this are these instances where you just made a witty joke or maybe she did and you stare right into her eyes with half smirk on your face (not always) and hold it for an almost awkward length of time. Sometimes I'll just do this in deep conversation too.

I don't know if I can really describe what my eyes look like when I'm doing it, but I do know how it feels. Somehow it feels like my eyes are "twinkling," if that makes any sense. My expression softens a little, and I'm not just looking at her, I'm looking into her eyes, almost like I have some hidden power to see who she is if I look deep enough (even though that part is bullshit, it's what I think to myself in these moments).

There's a real sexual energy to it too, as if I know we're going to end up in bed together and in some kind of romance and as if we both know that. If you've ever shared a moment of sexual innuendo with a woman and exchanged that knowing look with a half smirk on your faces, you perhaps know the suggestive look I'm talking about, but the difference is I often do this when there is no innuendo present.

The only innuendo going on is in my head, and we could be talking about something completely non-sexual (as if we're having a verbal conversation and a separate non-verbal one) or not even talking at all.

Other times I try to imagine myself as the star in her romantic movie, so it’s more of a charming look than sexual one. Again, I can feel my eyes almost twinkling - that's the best way I can describe it. I guess you have to have some experience communicating with your eyes.

Post: #5

One question I ave is when you are passing her, how far before that should you make eye contact. 5 meters or 10 meters..?

I realize that smirking or smiling does not help at all. Opinions?

Post: #6

(10-08-2016 07:08 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  One question I ave is when you are passing her, how far before that should you make eye contact. 5 meters or 10 meters..?

I realize that smirking or smiling does not help at all. Opinions?

The real question is :
Do you plan to approach her or not ?

Post: #7

(10-08-2016 07:08 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  One question I ave is when you are passing her, how far before that should you make eye contact. 5 meters or 10 meters..?

I realize that smirking or smiling does not help at all. Opinions?

I read a good trick somewhere on this forum. Imagine you are walking down the street on the right side and a girl is walking towards you on the left side.

Around 5-10 meters away, pick a point behind and to the left of the girl; it can be up in the sky, too. Make it look like you are looking at something or checking something out behind her, basically.

When she is within a couple of meters and is about to pass, you look back down at her and make eye contact. It appears very natural, especially if you were looking slightly up.

Finally, work your magic

There is a very natural distance for when people make eye contact. I would say it is about 3-4 meters. Just think back to when you saw a friend on the street far away and how close he was until you actually acknowledged him with a greeting or eye contact. Also, think about when you make quick random eye contact with strangers when walking. It is about that same distance.

Post: #8

(10-08-2016 08:12 AM)blck Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 07:08 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  One question I ave is when you are passing her, how far before that should you make eye contact. 5 meters or 10 meters..?

I realize that smirking or smiling does not help at all. Opinions?

The real question is :
Do you plan to approach her or not ?

Good question. I do look for positive IOIs before approaching.

Post: #9

(10-08-2016 08:05 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 08:12 AM)blck Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 07:08 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  One question I ave is when you are passing her, how far before that should you make eye contact. 5 meters or 10 meters..?

I realize that smirking or smiling does not help at all. Opinions?

The real question is :
Do you plan to approach her or not ?

Good question. I do look for positive IOIs before approaching.

So go read this first and then read this and finish with this

Post: #10

(10-08-2016 08:52 PM)blck Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 08:05 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 08:12 AM)blck Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 07:08 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  One question I ave is when you are passing her, how far before that should you make eye contact. 5 meters or 10 meters..?

I realize that smirking or smiling does not help at all. Opinions?

The real question is :
Do you plan to approach her or not ?

Good question. I do look for positive IOIs before approaching.

So go read this first and then read this and finish with this

Good posts. These seem more for night game. The common opinion in this forum seems to be to wait for IOIs when doing daygame and that is really where eye contact is important.

Post: #11

Eye contact is important as is posture and other elements of nonverbal communication. It seems girls are wired to quickly assess a man's 'worth' or strength / weakness by observing his nonverbal communication. I have struggled with eye contact that was too strong or weak. I'm learning how to calibrate it.

here's the most viewed eye contact thread:

/thread-23758...ye+contact

Post: #12

(10-08-2016 11:54 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  Good posts. These seem more for night game. The common opinion in this forum seems to be to wait for IOIs when doing daygame and that is really where eye contact is important.

Night or Day, I'm not able to talk about it, I wanted to point the mindset more than the environment

Go read this thread also : Low Level Game that's Effective