Post: #1

Whoever said he who tires of London tires of life was shitting himself.

I'm tired of London.

I met a girl on tinder 6 months ago and we got together for four months. 2 months ago we broke up and since then me and a buddy of mine have been hitting it hard, going out Fridays Saturdays and Sundays primarily to clubs/bars and day events.

We get no love whatsoever. It seems to me most people in London go out in groups, and its very hard to penetrate social circles no matter where you go. Everyone is out and about in groups - if that's the case, whats the point in trying to night game, and for those players that do, how do you pull it off? Either we are doing something very wrong, or we are just going to the wrong places.

I have no problem in approaching girls but it seems that most English (and foreign) girls in clubs are there in mixed groups, or there just to dance the night away with their girlfriends and its very hard to isolate (in particular in Shoreditch / Soho / S. Ken etc). Once you get a conversation going inevitably her friend or group is going to pull her away from you and make you look like a sex pest.

For the amount of effort and time that I've spent in clubs in the past two months, the results really don't seem worth it (2 k closes, a couple of numbers, 2 flaky dates).

Is it me or is London just a shit place for night game?

For reference, I'm Indian by background, 6 ft, pretty fit, I do pretty well abroad, and I know that I most certainly don't fit the Indian chode stereotype (according to most of my friends and girls i've banged in the past). I've got a decent job and fashion sense I would think.

Still, it just seems that the night game environment in London is so unyielding - anyone else experiencing the same thing?

I haven't tried day game substantially to be honest (maybe one or two approaches here and there) as I think my mental state is just not there yet. Any tips? Advice? Wingmen out there?

Feeling quite beta these days any advice would be welcome.

Post: #2

UK is hard as hell in general, I think. Culture of not talking to strangers.

I think tinder is where it's at nowadays! You have an account?

Post: #3

I think the key is to get with UK chicks when they're traveling. I've done well with them overseas. You don't even have to isolate them because they many times travel solo.

They like dry humor and sarcasm, so use it lots. They also like beer, so that helps, too. They jump into the sack pretty fast when they're traveling.

Post: #4

I feel like the best part of being in London is access to the rest of Europe via cheap flights.

Sometimes it helps to make friends with some of the less attractive girls in a group first. Often they're nicer anyway, and showing you can be cool with them will usually get the rest of the group to accept you. Don't try, as an outsider, to isolate a girl in front of her friends. Even if the girl in question likes you, you will often fit the pattern of "guy-hitting-on-friend" and her friends will be cynical. Rather, try to join the group and talk to her as a member of her circle. If you're going out a lot, this might mean touching base with an acquaintance via text on Wednesday, swinging by a bar/club on Thursday to say hey, and then going out with the whole group on Friday. You're more attractive this way, too, because you're having fun with friends instead of overtly trying to get a specific girl.

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Post: #5

The key here is to not let the UK or London dating market get you down.

I got into Game circa 2008 and I quickly found that my pre-Game existence in Canada, USA and France was more successful than my Game living in the UK. This is because of the coldness to strangers within British society and the class system and the relative lack of attractive women. Most of the Game literature from the US was based on nightgame where single bars exist. In the UK, clubs are mostly for very loud music, groups and a high volume of alcohol turnover. Add this to the unfavourable gender ratios in clubs, I found that the quality and quantity of women did not justify the cost-benefit analysis.

Also, I would suggest that few men really enjoy nightclubs.

I would suggest meetup whereby you are already part of the group. It means that Game has to be indirect as it is quasi-social circle game.

Looking back into my 20s, I think nightclubs were my greatest waste of resources, time and energy - especially in the UK.

Post: #6

Looks are very important in London. You need your style, grooming and muscles dialled way up compared to other places. You should be able to look around and know you're one of the hottest guys in the bar ideally, otherwise dial up your game a few levels higher.

You need to introduce yourself to her group if they're nearby and banter with them so they don't think you're a weirdo. Not much is needed but you can't be afraid to introduce yourself and make a few jokes to avoid a cockblock later on.

I get hotter girls more easily from daygame there so I'd suggest going for that as well. The bitch shields on many girls in bars is ridiculous these days.

Post: #7

I was in a similar postion, with regards to not liking london, now I enjoy it a lot

What I did was:

Deleted tinder
Stopped approaching women born in the UK, and focused just on women from other countries
Started frequenting a bar,and become a regular there (I've been there every day for over 4 weeks, without exception)
Chatted up foreign women that come to the bar


And thats it. The venue selection is very important, you dont want to pick a shit bar/pub like a wetherspoons, but a bar that gets lots of young international women. My advice assumes you're in good shape, dress well, and can afford to go out

Also, go out on your own. I go out on my own more than 80% of the time, and do much better than when I'm with friends. Taking a date/my friends and their friends to my bar, skipping the queue, talking on first name terms with the staff etc, pays for itself

Post: #8

ive fucked 1 english girl in the last 5 years

night game in london is incredibly hard and ive given up on it. aside from the odd tinder, i practically only have sex when abroad which i have consistent results at with terrible game.

currently looking to leave london and daygame in the mean time but saying that, i only see about 5 hot girls per day in central.

Post: #9

I'm glad i'm not alone! I live a little outside London, and it's impossible. Only hope is meeting a tourist in the day time, really. Or tinder!

(09-13-2016 03:18 PM)britabroad Wrote:  ive fucked 1 english girl in the last 5 years

night game in london is incredibly hard and ive given up on it. aside from the odd tinder, i practically only have sex when abroad which i have consistent results at with terrible game.

Now that sounds like fun! I think that's the sort of thing I should be doing!

Do you mean just short holidays with friends for little trips and stuff? What countries? How old are you?

Post: #10

yeah i live in a london suburb so logistics are impossible. i think id do ok if i had a flat in clapham or camden but on dates or bar pulls this year ive been left at the doorstep of their place rather than being the lead and calling the shots.

holiday wise 2014 i did brazil, mexico and vegas and got multiple lays in each country (brazil easiest place ever for a white gringo), 2015 budapest was one of the best weeks of my life, this year i had a dry brno (language barrier an issue), dry copenhagen (had to stay in hostel) but did well in france and spain during summer.

im a big fan of the ryanair cheap flights and airbnb tours with mates

im 26 and work online largely so moving abroad is very realistic.

Post: #11

Wow has Australia been officially topped by UK for worst dating market?

Post: #12

(09-13-2016 09:13 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Wow has Australia been officially topped by UK for worst dating market?

I spent some quality time on different occasions with two Aussie chicks in Colombia. They were fun, but they were sort of guyish and mean as shit. They were like English girls except much shittier.

I had fun hanging out with them, they were very pretty, but they had shit ass attitudes and I didn't get laid by either one of them. I left one by herself in the main square of Salento. I just said, "I'm leaving." and walked way.

Post: #13

Don't worry mate, London night game can be notoriously difficult especially when trying to game in London clubs - you always have that group of guys looking for a punch up, and that fat mother hen, not forgetting the ratio isn't usually in your favour either.

I live in London and have come to the realisation that the investment in time, effort and money in clubgame is by no way justified by the end result. Day game in London can be allot more fruitful.

I've decided to instead save the money and fly to SEA for a couple weeks of crazyness. lol ... Philippines or Thailand.

Post: #14

Where outside London are you guys based? PM me if you don't want it on the open forum.

Post: #15

I feel your pain brotha, im from canada and live in toronto (ground zero) jks. London and the u.k is a big place you need to do abit more research on venues and to find your niches in my opinion. Ive gone to 60's bars, metal /rock bars , big clubs i notice are usually for groups or celebrations or guys on the prowl. Its always best to look in the off beaten path. Some bars i find attract a certain type of gals but then again the u.k cant be worse then Toronto

Post: #16

Personally, I did not like London at all aside from sight-seeing/scenery aspects. I just got this vibe and feeling of it being a very tough place to game in general. It seems like everything is working against you there:

Logistics, money, ratios, culture, politically correctness, thirsty men, average quality of looks (crap), and weather (raining all the time).

I had an unbelievable night in London where I got blown out HARD in two different incidents involving English sluts. In both incidents the women were acting like they were very DTF until the very end.

The first time I got blown out, I just chalked it up to logistics (trains shut down WAY too early) and the fact that this was an online slut. She seemed very DTF up until the very end and then just walked off to her train while we were still walking. Just straight up turned in the direction she needed to go while we were talking/walking and kept walking away ... but while still talking and smiling! I just stood there thinking, "This fuckin cunt lol." No stop/pause and goodbye kind of deal. Really weird given the relative DTF vibe up until this point. We had alcohol, two venue changes, and my place was a 7 minute walk away and she pulled that stunt. Figure this was just an isolated incident kind of deal.

BUT THEN, I went and approached a young (18-21 years olds) 3-set at an open bar/night cafe area nearby. They were super bubbly/friendly for a good while (45 minutes) with 2 of the 3 acting like they were DTF. We left the open bar and walked around a few minutes looking for a club (they were eager to keep the party going but not willing to go to my place yet) and but then the group panicked about catching the last train home and started acting like raging cunts out of nowhere. One of the girls (the 1 that didn't seem as DTF but was still friendly up until this point) straight up told me after being pleasant and cool the entire night to get lost! Like stopped the entire group, made a scene, and told me to go away! HAHAHA!

This bitch went 180 in a a hot second unprovoked and the other two girls didn't even check this chick and just sided with her! One minute we are all buddies looking for a place to have fun and the next minute, one bitch is flipping out and telling me to fuck off home while her seemingly DTF friends just sit by and let her act like a raging twat! Fucking madness!

So, either:

1) I had a REALLY off night game wise.
2) London English women are bipolar cocktease cunts.
3) or a combination of both.

I would say London English women are bipolar cockteasing cunts.

Online was relative crap too. Flaky as hell, weirdos, and bad attitudes even by online standards.

Honestly, save your money/energy and:

1) Focus on foreign women/niche game (I blew off a polish chick while there who was pretty receptive and warm to me. What a mistake).
2) Move.
3) Fly to other places. From London, you can get to some decent cities for very little expense and effort compared to most other places.

London, without a doubt in my mind compared to other 1st tier cities, has to be one of the worst places in the world to game. That place is fucked up on so many levels.

Post: #17

As far as the UK goes, I hear good things about places like Leeds, liverpool, Newcastle.

PS - I live in between Brighton and London, near Gatwick airport.

I get zero joy here. I'd love to say that the girls are ugly to make myself feel better, but if i'm honest, I see so many beautiful young girls here that it hurts!

Post: #18

I've been living and day gaming in London for two years now. It's really not that bad . In fact, if your talking daygame , it's one of the best places in the world.

London is probably the city with the highest percentage of day gamers per inhabitant ratio in the world. Seriously. And it's because daygame is relatively easy here.

I personally don't do night game . But we are scheduled to have a 24h tube service this year so that should help things greatly for night gamers .

The best advice I can give you is to head to oxford street and start doing some daygame. You'll see that the 8 who ignored you in the club might be a bit more receptive during the day.

Post: #19

Thanks guys, its good to know that I'm not the only one experiencing difficulties. I've heard a lot about how daygame is the way to go here, just wonder how effective it is given that everyone is doing it, but also what differences there are between the two, particularly for London.

Post: #20

watch tom torero and street attraction (richard) on youtube.

"everyone is doing it" cant be an excuse in a city of 10m, of which a huge percentage are young foreign girls

Post: #21

(09-17-2016 04:39 PM)britabroad Wrote:  watch tom torero and street attraction (richard) on youtube.

"everyone is doing it" cant be an excuse in a city of 10m, of which a huge percentage are young foreign girls

tom torero is bullshit

Post: #22

i can only assume youre saying that because he paid an actress for a kiss close video. apart from that dishonesty i rate his stuff very highly

Post: #23

(09-13-2016 03:18 PM)britabroad Wrote:  ive fucked 1 english girl in the last 5 years

I have lost count of how many European women have told me that despite living in the UK for over 5 years, they still have no female English friends.

They have also said that they can't understand why Englishmen put up with them as they've noted that the men often look better than the women and that they cook and dress better than them too.

I think the variance between a man's domestic market value and his value on the continental and international markets is the greatest for British and Irishmen. One of the rituals that I go through every time that I am in Europe is the shock of women when I tell them that I have been single for a while. I am sure others have had such bitter-sweet conversations when travelling.

Post: #24

Yeah Englishmen have the highest international value in the world aside from possibly Australian. It's an absolute mugs game to chase after the cunts here

Post: #25

(09-18-2016 02:33 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 03:18 PM)britabroad Wrote:  ive fucked 1 english girl in the last 5 years

I have lost count of how many European women have told me that despite living in the UK for over 5 years, they still have no female English friends.

They have also said that they can't understand why Englishmen put up with them as they've noted that the men often look better than the women and that they cook and dress better than them too.

Why do you think they are this way? Have they gotten worse recently, or was it always like this? I have fallen too hard in the past for British women. Have any of you cracked this code, to make them sweeter? The attractive ones are what I think are some of the finest women in the world, baring any baggage. From what I can see, they have a hard time fitting in to the US, and usually only hang together. There are definite cultural differences, and seem to rub a lot of Americans the wrong way.