Post: #51

There was a time when a man got married out of high school, had children, and had a job that provided enough for his family to live off of his efforts. He felt like a man. These days women take a successful man's family away from him but he continues to pay for a family that is dissolved or never formed (baby mama's). You have to work extremely hard to be looked at as successful in a poor economy and deal with women who don't want to be with a guy who is not already "The Man" when she meets him. It's a sad world for some men who aren't adaptive and that's partially why men are ending there lives. Men aren't given a chance to try and fail before, "misogyny", child support/alimony and or student loans destroy their hopes of living well.

Post: #52

I think it's rather sad. All these poor beta guys
I think the game and personal fitness has helped a lot of these guys out feeling bad. These types need to take up more hobbies and enjoy what life has to offer as well.

Post: #53

It's interesting how, when Americans are suicidal and/or dateless, people suggest they go to Southeast Asia or Eastern Europe. Yet people from those countries would love to come to the U.S.

It's not always entirely for economic reasons that they want to come here. Sometimes it's for cultural reasons as well. For example, some of the Filipinas who yearn to be free from the restrictions imposed by familial and religious expectations so they can be uninhibited sluts remark, "The U.S. is so much more liberal!" If they could live in a major American city, they would be totally free to indulge without worrying about reputation.

I always used to tell them, "It's not actually all that liberal." Yeah, the moral standards are not as restrictive, but there are still rigid cultural expectations that you have to comply with, or conform to, in order to "fit in." In the U.S., if you're a weirdo of the kind that people consider "creepy," people will call you out as such and ostracize you.

The only difference is, different societies are accepting of different kinds of weirdos. So if you're a misfit in your own country, maybe you'd fit in somewhere else. But not everyone wants to leave their comfort zone by uprooting from the land they've lived in all their lives. And maybe some people are misfits everywhere.

It's a lonely world, but as long as you can succeed financially, you can usually do all right. As a man, being able to earn money, and not have so much anti-game as to actually repel people, seems to be what success is all about. As long as you have money, you can get a young and sexy woman (from SEA or EE, if from nowhere else); and if she leaves you, you can get another who's just as good or better. Then you can satisfy your intellectual needs by making male friends, via places like RVF.

So it seems like, for the most part, the only way to lose in life as a man is to be unable to get or hold whatever one's culture considers a "real job" (usually defined in the U.S. as, "whatever job is one step up from Burger World cashier"). Not too hard for most men to achieve, but some do fall short.

Post: #54

I've been thinking a lot about the satisfaction by generation and it occurred to me, part of who we are is striving to be better or get more, which put another way is complaining about our current state --- regardless of what it is. There's an old adage that is wonderfully wise, and that is "You complain according to what you're accustomed."

All humans are fallen so we all fit into this paradigm. It's also one of the things that makes faith so important; you're suffering isn't meaningless. But getting back to the red pill, I think like many do here in that most men would be fulfilled with a woman to take care of and her, him. Given the obvious unleashing of pandora's box when you give women too much autonomy and choice, especially oustide the framework of a traditional society, we have seen that chaos ensues. Their emphasis on emotion and entertainment is so high, and so anti-civilizational, any society in which they are "empowered" is near its end. All the great minds of world history have noticed, and noted, this fact.

For my final red pill comment, alas, listen to the others on the board and understand that emotions arising from us regarding women's behavior are as silly or meaningless as said behavior. It is a red pill maxim that we must recognize it and accept it for what it is. Then act accordingly.

Post: #55

I think the US, and men's conditions are still fine today, generally speaking.

The problem is that men today are too weak. Paradoxically, they commit suicide because they actually never understand survival.

The quote goes "Tough times breed strong men, strong men create easy times, easy times breed weak men, weak men lead to tough time".

Back in the day (pre-modern), men can easily die as young as 18 going to war, having an accident, working fume-choked factory from 5am to 10pm. They might have a loyal wife and obedient kids, but food on the table wasn't a certainty everyday. Displease your lord/boss and your whole family are at risk. Rebel and they sent their armies against you, then you get all kinds of imaginative torture (I touched an iron maiden once and I'm happy that shit is not gonna get used again)

Your dating options were limited as fuck and most of the time you marry out of necessity, not out of love.

But men did not commit suicide and creates an epidemic. Some men today are just too lost in their prison of the mind and forget that they are pretty much free.

We romanticize the past too much. The 80/20 rule have never changed in any ages, but living in the US right now you have a much better chance of joining the 20 than say back in the middle ages.

While I sympathize with the situation I cannot sympathize with the suicides themselves. Being an American itself is a blessing. When you consider the alternative, i.e being born in an African warzone where kids with AK-47 kills you, or Islamic totalitarian states, or 3rd world where you have more chance of dying in car accidents than getting bombed, things look much better.

Post: #56

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics

•White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2015.

•The rate of suicide is highest in middle age — white men in particular.

•Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women.

Post: #57

U.S. Suicide Rate Surges to a 30-Year High

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/healt....html?_r=0

Post: #58

Why ‘Fight Club’ Still Matters
Chuck Palahniuk's story of hopelessness and masculinity is more powerful than ever.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/30/why-...l-matters/

Quote:“Fight Club,” for example, identifies problems, but offers no solace in answers, short of shooting yourself. It is anti-materialistic and anti-modernity without alternatives. The lack of a big idea is the big idea of “Fight Club.” In my life, and surely I’m not alone, I can remember opining on some societal problem and having readers demand to know, “Well, what’s your solution?” Well, I have none. There may be none. This is one of the most depressing realizations of adulthood.

It’s about loneliness, an emotional state that psychologists warn is far more powerful than people realize. In fact, “[t]he biggest threat facing middle-age men isn’t smoking or obesity. It’s loneliness” contends Billy Baker in his recent fascinating piece in the Boston Globe. The young men of “Fight Club” are the middle-aged men of today.

It’s about boredom, another unappreciated and destructive human condition. The English punks of the mid-seventies, who, like Durden’s mischief-makers, embraced nihilism as a way to push back against modern life, were also spurred by “boredom.” The word litters their lyrics and art and interviews (read “England’s Dreaming” by Jon Savage). “Fight Club’s” narrative is not about the bleakness of living on the Dole but rather of living in a cubicle. The conservative theorist Robert Nisbet once argued that boredom was a weapon wielded by second-generation Communist regimes. Monotony was like authority, he notes, because the “worst of tyrannies exist within the intimacies of life, and the same holds for life’s boredoms.”

Lines like “self-improvement is masturbation” are less humorous when you’ve worked to try and be better. “Losing all hope was freedom” is weirdly invigorating to a 20-year-old, but also powerful in an entirely different and morose way when you’re older. As is “Fight Club.”

Post: #59

(03-30-2017 10:52 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I think the US, and men's conditions are still fine today, generally speaking.

The problem is that men today are too weak. Paradoxically, they commit suicide because they actually never understand survival.

The quote goes "Tough times breed strong men, strong men create easy times, easy times breed weak men, weak men lead to tough time".

Back in the day (pre-modern), men can easily die as young as 18 going to war, having an accident, working fume-choked factory from 5am to 10pm. They might have a loyal wife and obedient kids, but food on the table wasn't a certainty everyday. Displease your lord/boss and your whole family are at risk. Rebel and they sent their armies against you, then you get all kinds of imaginative torture (I touched an iron maiden once and I'm happy that shit is not gonna get used again)

Your dating options were limited as fuck and most of the time you marry out of necessity, not out of love.

But men did not commit suicide and creates an epidemic. Some men today are just too lost in their prison of the mind and forget that they are pretty much free.

We romanticize the past too much. The 80/20 rule have never changed in any ages, but living in the US right now you have a much better chance of joining the 20 than say back in the middle ages.

While I sympathize with the situation I cannot sympathize with the suicides themselves. Being an American itself is a blessing. When you consider the alternative, i.e being born in an African warzone where kids with AK-47 kills you, or Islamic totalitarian states, or 3rd world where you have more chance of dying in car accidents than getting bombed, things look much better.

I'm not sure that many men wouldn't be happier in some of those places. Living in African warzones, I imagine the people actually FEEL alive as opposed to the daily monotony of western life.

Wanna know why people are killing themselves? What does the average american have to look forward to in this day to day routine?

7am: wake up next to obese wife
8am: get bitched at for one thing or another by said obese wife
9am-5pm: work some shitty cubicle job that pays you 15 bucks an hour.
6pm: eat some shitty processed food because your fat wife doesn't cook.
7-10pm: watch tv and see how every man is portrayed as pathetic.
1030: fuck obese wife for 10 mins
11: sleep.

Do this every day and suicide/african war zone becomes much more of an attractive option.

Young guys that are committing suicide, I think it has a ton to do with the economy. When you can barely get a job making 10 bucks an hour, 70% of women are overweight, and you're told every day that being a white male is the equivalent to being the devil, life sucks.

I feel for these guys quite a bit.

Post: #60

^ I thought being a man is being able to grind it out and improve your station in life.

These guys are living in one of the best if not the best country in the world to make money.

The African war zone is a bit extreme to do a comparison, I've never heard of those people killing themselves.

Post: #61

(03-30-2017 07:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ I thought being a man is being able to grind it out and improve your station in life.

These guys are living in one of the best if not the best country in the world to make money.

The African war zone is a bit extreme to do a comparison, I've never heard of those people killing themselves.

This exactly. Dudes are losing the mental game. Especially the ones who play by the rules.

Post: #62

(03-30-2017 04:40 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  7am: wake up next to obese wife
8am: get bitched at for one thing or another by said obese wife
9am-5pm: work some shitty cubicle job that pays you 15 bucks an hour.
6pm: eat some shitty processed food because your fat wife doesn't cook.
7-10pm: watch tv and see how every man is portrayed as pathetic.
1030: fuck obese wife for 10 mins
11: sleep.

Sex once a day?
Reliable work hours?

Post: #63

I think the reason whites and Koreans/Japanese kill themselves at higher rates is fundamentally because increased cultural social control. The Japanese are extremely shame based and will basically off themselves in a forest instead of bringing shame on their family. Northern Europeans don't care much about shame reputation, but they will feel completely miserable if they perceive themselves to be useless to society. Guilt from being a loser. Which is why it works so well for these people to move to tropical locations, where guilt isn't such a big factor, if a factor at all. Wikipedia tells me that Anglo-Saxon culture is considered shame based, I can believe that, Americans and Brits are more obsessed with status than continental Europeans.

The above and the neverending assault on everything that is white and male.

Post: #64

(03-30-2017 10:52 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  The problem is that men today are too weak. Paradoxically, they commit suicide because they actually never understand survival.

The quote goes "Tough times breed strong men, strong men create easy times, easy times breed weak men, weak men lead to tough time".

The quote is a good one. History is filled with many examples of that cycle.

As to men being too weak: while this is likely true, it is probably only one of many factors.

For most men, the main purpose in life is to provide for a family. In our current day many men are either not able to provide, or do not have a family to provide for (because they never had one, or because it was taken from them by shrewish wives and divorce courts).

Post: #65

(03-30-2017 10:58 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 04:40 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  7am: wake up next to obese wife
8am: get bitched at for one thing or another by said obese wife
9am-5pm: work some shitty cubicle job that pays you 15 bucks an hour.
6pm: eat some shitty processed food because your fat wife doesn't cook.
7-10pm: watch tv and see how every man is portrayed as pathetic.
1030: fuck obese wife for 10 mins
11: sleep.

Sex once a day?
Reliable work hours?

You're right, I should've said sex once a week.

Post: #66

(03-30-2017 04:40 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  I'm not sure that many men wouldn't be happier in some of those places. Living in African warzones, I imagine the people actually FEEL alive as opposed to the daily monotony of western life.

......

Young guys that are committing suicide, I think it has a ton to do with the economy. When you can barely get a job making 10 bucks an hour, 70% of women are overweight, and you're told every day that being a white male is the equivalent to being the devil, life sucks.

I feel for these guys quite a bit.

I think the concept of choice, or the illusion of choice, is very important.

“I always wonder why birds choose to stay in the same place when they can fly anywhere on the earth, then I ask myself the same question.”
― Harun Yahya

So the guy in your example, he has the choice to fucking ditch his obese wife. Quit his job. Leaves the fucking country to an African warzone / jungle / Asian pussy paradise.

No one said it would be easy, but it is certainly 100% doable. The thing is, it is easier to off yourself than face the difficulty and possible failure. That, and most men live their life believing that there's no other way.

One of the primary causes of unhappiness is the belief that you are stuck, and that you have no chance to change the circumstance. This is further compounded by men constantly being shown what they cannot achieve.

So growing up, you watch all these movies and see all these hot girls. You are told you are special and that the world is yours for the taking. Then you grow up and see that you are stuck working a desk job with hideous hags or obese cows, while constantly surfing Dan Bilzerian IG account choked full of a lifestyle that you can not have.

Yes, I agree, in such condition offing yourself is pretty tempting. For the weak minded

All this redpill, all the knowledge and this forum and for what? This can be a double edged sword because the beginning of the redpill is recognizing that the world is fucked beyond all repairs. Weak minded people read this and either go MGTOW or off themselves and others in the process.

Others learn game, improve themselvse, pack up and get the fuck out of the country where they are stuck in.

As tragic as it could be, male suicide can be generally summed up as cleansing of the genepool. Being weak-minded enough to peace out in the face of adversity means you are probably not gonna birth the next generation of warrior anyway. In this sense the world has always worked this way, the 80/20 rule.

The Japanese suicide is a twisted mockery of the honorable tradition of the Samurai. These kids are killing themselves because its easier than to cope with shame and failure. The Samurai did it because it is the only way their wife and children could retain their title and land and honor. The ritual suicide hara-kiri is an act of insane courage, because it is selfless and fucking painful.

For the ever-practical white men to commit suicide, it is a shame and weakness to be denounced, not to sympathize with. The spirit of the white men have always been to persevere, adapt and be victorious. Even if it takes generations to do so. That's how Rome was built. How America was discovered and forged. Instead of cucking away and paying all the taxes to the queen or offing themselves, they said fuck this shit and go haywire.

The American men killing themselves now are certainly not the type who could take up arms and fight for freedom.

Go read thegreenman thread on "why doesnt game work", then see suicide for what it really is: a coward's way out.

Post: #67

(03-31-2017 02:43 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 10:58 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 04:40 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  7am: wake up next to obese wife
8am: get bitched at for one thing or another by said obese wife
9am-5pm: work some shitty cubicle job that pays you 15 bucks an hour.
6pm: eat some shitty processed food because your fat wife doesn't cook.
7-10pm: watch tv and see how every man is portrayed as pathetic.
1030: fuck obese wife for 10 mins
11: sleep.

Sex once a day?
Reliable work hours?

You're right, I should've said sex once a week.

Still reaching here. Talk to the vast majority of married men that go months/years without sex. The norm, not the exception.

Post: #68

(03-31-2017 07:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  For the ever-practical white men to commit suicide, it is a shame and weakness to be denounced, not to sympathize with. The spirit of the white men have always been to persevere, adapt and be victorious. Even if it takes generations to do so. That's how Rome was built. How America was discovered and forged. Instead of cucking away and paying all the taxes to the queen or offing themselves, they said fuck this shit and go haywire.

The American men killing themselves now are certainly not the type who could take up arms and fight for freedom.

Go read thegreenman thread on "why doesnt game work", then see suicide for what it really is: a coward's way out.

This doesn't explain why white men are killing themselves in record numbers.

Not all white men are warriors, just like not all black men are thugs.

Rome might have been built on a warrior spirit, but homosexuality and filth killed the empire.

Post: #69

(03-31-2017 11:11 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 07:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  For the ever-practical white men to commit suicide, it is a shame and weakness to be denounced, not to sympathize with. The spirit of the white men have always been to persevere, adapt and be victorious. Even if it takes generations to do so. That's how Rome was built. How America was discovered and forged. Instead of cucking away and paying all the taxes to the queen or offing themselves, they said fuck this shit and go haywire.

The American men killing themselves now are certainly not the type who could take up arms and fight for freedom.

Go read thegreenman thread on "why doesnt game work", then see suicide for what it really is: a coward's way out.

This doesn't explain why white men are killing themselves in record numbers.

Not all white men are warriors, just like not all black men are thugs.

Rome might have been built on a warrior spirit, but homosexuality and filth killed the empire.

I speculate that endocrine issues/disruption must be playing a factor.

A quick look shows that women with low E and High P are more prone to suicide.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4202501/

There is also some information that depressed people have too low of cortisol hormone and their brain gets inflammation, making them more prone to suicide. Which makes sense when you think about that.

We already know that low T leads to depression oftentimes, which is a catalyst for suicide. Other resources also point out that high T young males commit suicide as well.

I could not find a link like the one for women above for men and T and P levels.

Someone needs to do one for men to see if there is any correlation, but it might be more complicated than what the women show. We cannot always assume a younger man killing himself had normal T levels or other hormone levels because of his age. Endocrine disruptors are everywhere and on many chemically made things we touch in the West. It is easy to notice how in Asia, there are more glasses, stoneware, and wood items compared to your typical American household full of plastic goods everywhere.

It's pretty typical these days. We just don't know enough about hormones and new stuff comes out everyday.

Post: #70

I can believe it. Often I wonder about killing myself to just escape from the life I don't want to live. I keep telling myself that my kids need a dad. I've been wondering about posting about this on a separate thread but I'm not sure victim puking will help.

Post: #71

@Kai - one of the things they are blaming is alcohol and prescription drugs leading to the increase in deaths.

Some studies are saying non college educated men are choosing the suicide route when they reach their 40s and 50s. Somehow, I don't buy this because other "studies" are saying the biggest hit is the middle class sector of men.

I guess others will blame divorce, which always seems to fuck over men harder.

Post: #72

I think a lot of guys are facing homelessness because they have no cash, so they kill themselves instead.

Post: #73

I wonder how many people who have killes themselves have previously had family members who killed themselves. The few people I have known personally, who have killed themselves had a family member kill themself while they were kids. Ones father killed himself when he was maybe 10-11.

Before the dad killed himself, he turned to alcohol, divorced his fat wife and mother of his kids after he got caught having an affair with a thinner woman, went through a few more relationships which failed after the divorce, including another divorce, then had enough I guess and shot himself. His kid killed himself a few years later.

Post: #74

(03-31-2017 12:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Kai - one of the things they are blaming is alcohol and prescription drugs leading to the increase in deaths.

Some studies are saying non college educated men are choosing the suicide route when they reach their 40s and 50s. Somehow, I don't buy this because other "studies" are saying the biggest hit is the middle class sector of men.

I guess others will blame divorce, which always seems to fuck over men harder.

(03-31-2017 12:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I think a lot of guys are facing homelessness because they have no cash, so they kill themselves instead.

Well not everyone middle class is college educated. Not in the US at least. Plenty dudes with trade skills or technical training make middle lower to middle upper class money. Even some IT guys are six figures with only high school diplomas with certs.

Also like Samseau is alluding to, the middle class is shrinking in America at an alarming rate. Men are providers. When a society takes away, fairly or not, your ability to do so, it can have an immense effect on your emotional health.

What about all the prison/jail stint people with bad records that cannot get jobs? I wonder how they fit into this equation. Surely enough of them continue to do dirt over and over, but surely some may not fit into this. Those guys get shitty job prospects, working for others at least.

Post: #75

(03-31-2017 12:46 PM)Repo Wrote:  I wonder how many people who have killes themselves have previously had family members who killed themselves. The few people I have known personally, who have killed themselves had a family member kill themself while they were kids. Ones father killed himself when he was maybe 10-11.

Before the dad killed himself, he turned to alcohol, divorced his fat wife and mother of his kids after he got caught having an affair with a thinner woman, went through a few more relationships which failed after the divorce, including another divorce, then had enough I guess and shot himself. His kid killed himself a few years later.

Cot damn! Sounds more like generational curse more so than anything else. I'm not trying to put on the preacher robe right now, but I think you know what I mean. Still an interesting question nevertheless.