Post: #51

(08-27-2016 09:33 PM)Vaun Wrote:  A pretty low bar if you ask me. Most high school students can pass this. Rip is great at the slow lifts, but for much outside of that including GPP I would look elsewhere.

Are you being serious? You're saying most high school students could deadlift 300 pounds? I don't understand how are you coming to this conclusion.

This is 305lbs. You show up to every high school with that, get the older males in line and one by one have them lift that twice and I guarantee you the 50% couldn't do it twice let alone the majority. Unless teens are strong as fuck in other parts of the world but this would never happen in North America.

Post: #52

A lot of young guys I've talked to are scared of deadlifts. I tell them they can do it in no time if they just add 10lbs per week.

Maybe they can't do it, but they could be easily trained to do it in a few months. That's Rippetoe's point.

He's basically saying in the past guys had basic strength from working on farms*, etc., so focusing on endurance training made more sense back then.

*T levels were higher in the past, too, so that may be a factor.

Post: #53

Yeah most high schoolers are not deadlifting 300+. Maybe high school football players are, but not the general population.

Post: #54

(09-22-2016 12:43 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  Maybe they can't do it, but they could be easily trained to do it in a few months. That's Rippetoe's point.

I understand that you can train for it but I'm pointing out its just ridiculous when guys act like 300lbs is something the average 150lb human should be able pull without training and its actually a low standard for the military PT. Thats just false. Most people would have to train to pull twice their weight.

Post: #55

Yeah and you'd have to train in a gym, with a particular barbell exercise, for months / a year+. Just to join the military? That's crazy. 90% of guys would lose that strength as soon as they went into active service, as you'd rarely/never need to pick anything close to 2x bodyweight off the ground by yourself.

But you do need to sprint, drag, clamber over, jog - with heavy gear, etc. More specific/transferable tests would be better for that.

Post: #56

10 year olds can run 400m in 75 seconds. That is infinitely easier than the deadlift and overhead press.

Post: #57

The point is to do everything. When you pick it apart it makes less sense. The 2xBW deadlift and .75 BW press mean you'll have to bulk up a bit but...not get too fat, in order to do the 400m run and the pullups. Kind of like Crossfit.

Post: #58

The deadlift and press numbers take a lot of effort to reach, are unnecessary for the job, and the strength you've built will quickly disappear as soon as you're deployed and away from a gym with barbells. So why bother?

Post: #59

(09-23-2016 09:45 AM)RichieP Wrote:  The deadlift and press numbers take a lot of effort to reach, are unnecessary for the job, and the strength you've built will quickly disappear as soon as you're deployed and away from a gym with barbells. So why bother?

You're right, why lift at all?

Why train at all?

We're all gonna die anyway

Post: #60

(09-23-2016 09:45 AM)RichieP Wrote:  The deadlift and press numbers take a lot of effort to reach, are unnecessary for the job, and the strength you've built will quickly disappear as soon as you're deployed and away from a gym with barbells. So why bother?

Pretty sure they have gyms at most the bases.

Post: #61

I don't like this idea that strength and muscle just disappears if you stop training. If you've built this over a long period of time then many of the gains will be with you long term, regardless of what you then do. Some muscle will disappear over time, but if you are giving your body adequate nutrition, then it isn't all that expensive to maintain, and your loses should be minimal.

In my view, what you see fall off relatively quickly when you stop training for an extended period is the skill element of strength. Just as sportsmen get rusty, and often perform horribly during preseason, so too will dedicated weightlifters find that their technique and efficiency with heavier weights suffer after a layoff.

Your strength should be relatively unaffected (though undoubtedly not where it would be after a peaking cycle).

Post: #62

One of my buddies who had never lifted weights before in his life pulled 350 lbs at the bodyweight of 180 the first time he attempted the lift. Dude's 33 years old and he has five kids.

There are two components to strength. There's having the muscle to perform the lift and then the motor movement to perform it.

Some wiry folks (my friend included) don't sit on their ass all the time and work manual labor jobs. By virtue of being alive and moving around, they can perform at least a 1.5x bodyweight deadlift without having ever performed it simply because they have the movement pattern down from the massive volume of picking up medium heavy shit all day at their jobs.

This is also known as "dad strength".

Pressing is a different story.

Post: #63

(09-26-2016 02:36 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  I don't like this idea that strength and muscle just disappears if you stop training. If you've built this over a long period of time then many of the gains will be with you long term, regardless of what you then do. Some muscle will disappear over time, but if you are giving your body adequate nutrition, then it isn't all that expensive to maintain, and your loses should be minimal.

I started lifting at 15. I've gone through extended periods of minimal to no lifting. I have never lost much muscle and whatever I do lose comes back like a freight train when I start again. After lifting for years your body is able to carry muscle much more easily. A body built while you're young will stay with you for a lifetime.

This is probably broscience but I strongly believe that starting really young allowed my body to permanently widen my shoulders. I think it goes beyond the muscle tissue and into the actual structure of the shoulders.

Back in high school when I had just started lifting I had some guys in my bio class go "Why lift man, its all gonna disappear eventually." Its funny how guys that say things like that almost always have sad, unremarkable physiques.

Post: #64

(09-26-2016 03:25 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  One of my buddies who had never lifted weights before in his life pulled 350 lbs at the bodyweight of 180 the first time he attempted the lift. Dude's 33 years old and he has five kids.
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This is also known as "dad strength".
...

Ahh. What a golden moment.

"Again!"

Hah! What a mischevious little scamp. How can I say no?

"Again!"

Wow. This kid is actually pretty heavy.

"Again!

Jesus. My rotors are fucking on fire.

"Again!"

Lord have mercy on me. What did I ever do to deserve this...!?"

Post: #65

(09-26-2016 08:37 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 03:25 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  One of my buddies who had never lifted weights before in his life pulled 350 lbs at the bodyweight of 180 the first time he attempted the lift. Dude's 33 years old and he has five kids.
...

This is also known as "dad strength".
...

Ahh. What a golden moment.

"Again!"

Hah! What a mischevious little scamp. How can I say no?

"Again!"

Wow. This kid is actually pretty heavy.

"Again!

Jesus. My rotors are fucking on fire.

"Again!"

Lord have mercy on me. What did I ever do to deserve this...!?"

Don't limit yourself. You forgot about those baby curls.



Weight of the baby grows with the gains!!!!! Add car seat for extra difficulty.

Post: #66

(09-26-2016 01:03 PM)realologist Wrote:  Weight of the baby grows with the gains!!!!! Add car seat for extra difficulty.

Hey, it worked for Milo (not that Milo), the ancient Greek who supposedly lifted a calf daily as it grew into a bull, now considered the father of weightlifting.