Post: #1

I have a query that has left me confused over the last couple of months

Now that I have entered my mid 20s I have noticed an increased amount of pressure from girls, pushing me to spend money on them. Take in mind most of these girls are foreign, especially from the FSU or Southern Europe. I am well aware of the custom in which you are expected to pay for meals, drinks etc. Usually I would oblige by doing this, If I enjoyed their company, and most of the time these girls would be very feminine and pleasant to be around.

However recently, these girls are demanding more, recently I was planning a trip with one of them, and agreed to pay for everything, in terms of hotels etc but I wouldn't be able to pay for their flight. This was met with all sorts of anger and accusations of 'breaking her mind'. I had another girl expecting me to pay for all sorts of activities without her even saying thank you.

My relations with these girls are verging on casual short term relationships. Not that it matters but these are girls that do have the money to spend on themselves.

Of course I understand the whole gold digging sentiment but also that girls gravitate towards men with resources. I do have a stable job and lifestyle which makes them think I'm probably making more money than I actually do.

I don't get offended because I understand its the nature of the game, previously I never encountered this issue when I used to be scoring with lots of women throughout my early 20s. But now I feel like these girls are trying their hardest to put me into that beta provider category, even going as far as withdrawing sex.

Usually in the past I would just 'next' girls If I encountered this sort of manipulation or serious level of 'shit testing' but the frequency of it has led me to think whether this could be a sign of things to come as I progress through life.

I was also thinking of putting this into the lifestyle or everything else section. as it has made me question how 21st century nihilistic culture has destroyed relationships by creating a dichotomy and almost bi polar set of expectations on men and women in how they view and enter relationships.

To summarise, has anyone noticed this change in their lives, as well as how to manage with this test of frame. I expect women to conform to traditional gender roles if I was to date them but at the same time, I know that I am expected to conform to my role and be a provider to an extent. However when I am aware of the "beta bucks, Alfa Fucks' tendency that is even prevalent in so called traditional countries, I just recoil at this.

Any ideas or experiences would be appreciated.

Post: #2

If we look back 60 years ago and beyond, men always played the role of the provider. And women would provide the man with whatever he needed. She would be answerable to him and him alone.

Maybe what's happening now is women want to be provided for, but not made answerable to. In other words they don't want to pull their own weight (Cooking, cleaning, chores, being sexy, running errands, grabbing a beer).

If they work and make their own money their relation to the masculine is through her career and not her husband. It's the career that provides for her.

Poor girls who don't have the money for restaurants, hotels, air fare, activities, etc, need to pay in other non-financial ways. A woman of good character will find a way to do that. Even if it means knitting you a hat you'll never wear.

Post: #3

(08-20-2016 12:22 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  However recently, these girls are demanding more, recently I was planning a trip with one of them, and agreed to pay for everything, in terms of hotels etc but I wouldn't be able to pay for their flight. This was met with all sorts of anger and accusations of 'breaking her mind'.

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I can't speak to what girls in their early 20s are like, because that's not really my demographic. I do know that the ones in their late 20s and early 30s who are worth a damn for a LTR sort of have a notion of "having their shit together."

In a few weeks I'm going on a vacation with a 30 y/o I've been seeing off and on for a couple months. Here's how it went down:

Her: "You know, I think it would be great if we took a trip before the end of the summer."

Me: "I'm with it. But I'm probably going to be getting hammered with work for the rest of the month. If you've got a place in mind and can run some options by me..."

Her: "Awesome! I'll get on it.....OK, here are some places. This one, and this one looks nice, and..."

Me: "That one looks good."

Her: "Ok, I'll get it booked and make the arrangements. Anything else I need to take care of? I'll cover the accommodations if you like, since we're taking your car."

Loser females don't bring anything to the table but their looks. And as you get older, you start wanting more out of life. There are a lot of good looking women in the world. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cheapskate (except on first dates with online chicks)...I pay for things for women sometimes too. But they need to be bringing something else to the table, i.e. being a facilitator, not a big vacuum of suck.

Quote:I had another girl expecting me to pay for all sorts of activities without her even saying thank you.

Quote:Maybe what's happening now is women want to be provided for, but not made answerable to. In other words they don't want to pull their own weight (Cooking, cleaning, chores, being sexy, running errands, grabbing a beer).

Sure, the whole thrust of "3rd wave" feminism is that now that most of the real battles have been fought and won by their mothers and grandmothers, they want to see if they truly can have their cake and eat it too. Both men and women are to blame for this; the women for their insane narcissistic demands, and the men for actually attempting to accommodate them.

They both need to get a grip.