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(06-27-2016 11:31 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  It's a counterproductive ideology.

This doesn't really mean anything. It's also the only ideology. The people in charge will always be nationalists.

Quote:I personally believe that ethnocentric ideologies are backward thinking.

This doesn't mean anything.

Quote:They served a purpose when we lacked the abundance we have now.

Economic arguments are why Europe is a social mess and why Britain got so fed up that it voted to leave. It's why my city is a shithole and why there is dissent. They aren't pushed on anyone but the West, which tells you that they aren't universally believed in. They are a political weapon against groups. Discounting them fails to account for how political power, and thus protection from exploitation, is cultivated and protected.

Quote:The purpose of tribalistic behavior was necessary in order to create hierarchal groups that worked collectively for survival.

Still is.

Quote:As technology advances and we reach a society with what could essentially be an unlimited abundance of resources for survival, ethnically based ideologies will serve zero purpose.

They protect from exploitation from other groups. Unless you can get everyone in the world to stop being ethnically interested at once, your assertions are effectively fully countered in the name of self-defense.

Quote:The goal long term should be able to overcome ethnically based dissent in order to work cooperatively and live in a relatively prosperous and peaceful world.

This is an idealistic description of the world and future for which there is no evidence that it could come to fruition in any foreseeable future. Believing in it is equivalent to believing that you "deserve to be happy" and thus always seeking a greater happiness, that is always elusive, and thus being always miserable, instead of accepting and dealing with the world as it is. The result of such idealism leads to widespread misery instead of a practical world.

Quote:Technology will make such a world possible through things like automation. We have already advanced pretty far in that direction already because of technology creating a relatively large abundance to what we had previously.

This is idealistic and over-stated unless the world's population will be cut down by at least 2/3rds sometime soon. The world is much larger and poorer than what technology can counter.

Quote:There is a logic behind dropping these ideologies beyond where your moral view of the world lies.

It's absolutely illogical to believe in what you do, no offense. It's merely idealistic and it feels good, but there is no evidence that it could or will ever come to fruition. The much more probable result of aiming for what you say is the political disempowerment of the majority of the world's populace, and widespread cultural and ethnic destruction, to the end of there existing no chance of ever unseating the people who will exploit this disempowerment into the future. In essence, the realization of the Trotskyist dream.