Post: #1

Roosh recently published an article about how (primarily western) governments are robbing men of good wives, basically by the typical leftist, feminist brainwashing. In the article however, Roosh didn't actually give any examples of where you can consistently find girls with traditional world views, who do not intend to pursue a career and are ready to submit to their husband. Below I've written what I have managed to surmise in relation to this issue, and I think it will be a good opportunity for fellow members of the forum to share what they know.

Eastern Europe - While it differs between countries to some extent, I wouldn't call Eastern Europe "patriarchal" by any means. It would, however seem like it in comparison to America, however, of all the girls I've met here, literally every single one turned out to either be studying at university and planning to get caught up in some men's line of work (lawyer, doctor, graphic designer or whatever it happens to be). As has been mentioned numerous times before however, the girls here are far more beautiful and feminine in nature than Yanks, nevertheless, in most cases they will put their career before you. However, I have not yet met any girls from rural villages thus far. I have a feeling that in a traditional church in a traditional rural village there must be a greater likelihood of finding a worthy girl who hasn't been infected with western feminist values. If anybody has experience in a rural area like the one described, please do let us know about your experiences.

Asia - As we're talking about an entire continent here, there are of course vast contrasts between countries, but we'll address some of the main ones.
China seems very similar to Eastern Europe in that nearly all women are choosing to pursue careers, but are much more gentle-natured and feminine than American women. I've heard that it's slightly better in Taiwan, although I haven't been there so I can't comment personally.
Thailand and The Philippines. You will definitely find traditional, patriarchy-oriented girls here, although it's worth treading with a degree of caution, as there tends to be a fairly active gold-digger tendency here.
Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos - Probably your best bet for finding non-emasculated girls, although the countries are on the poorer side and I suspect that this may show up in the attractiveness of girls (I haven't been to these three personally, but spoken to people who have).
North Korea - Will probably be a haven if it ever opens up or if you manage to get into the Kim crew.
South Korea - The America of Asia. Decent for ONS's, but a bad option for marriage.

India - The Indians have a lot to be proud of in this regard - with a huge western influence, they have nevertheless managed to maintain their culture very well, and of course this includes the patriarchal system. Don't believe the rape hysteria that the Americans present, I've been to the country and it's no less safe than any typical western country. Women constantly walk and catch public transport by themselves just like in any other country. As far as I'm aware, the Americans used this Indian rape narrative to draw attention away from the rise of western "rape culture", which, ironically, they want to bring attention back to all of a sudden. As for the topic at hand, the dating system is somewhat more intricate than in other countries, in that most marriages are strictly within castes, and any girl willing to go against the wishes of her family would be much more likely to have feminist tendencies. However, I do believe that a foreigner with the right attitude would find a way in if he put his mind to it, and an Indian marriage would certainly be far more rewarding than anything the west has to offer.

The Amish - Essentially fail-proof, only you would have to be willing to take on an entirely different way of life as you know it. Who knows though, with the rise of feminism in the west, it might even be worth it.

Hasidic Judaism - While the Jews are often blamed for creating feminism, and I do partially agree with that, it was the non-religious, so called "progressive" Jews (i.e. Mark Zuckerberg) who were involved in this.
The Hasidic Jews are a traditional branch of Jews who practice traditional Judaism and don't use the holocaust to get what they want. I know you're probably thinking that this is completely nuts, but the fact is that among the Hasidic Jews there is no shortage of attractive girls, and they are traditional too. Interestingly, I remember watching a documentary about this closed community, in which there was a stereotypical Jewish man with the long sideburns etc. with a very attractive wife. That being said, it would be a somewhat extreme move to join a movement completely different to what you are used to, but in our world of growing feminism and homosexuality, such decisions are becoming more and more justifiable.

Greenland - I haven't been there, but I know that it has very little outside influence. It would be worth checking out, but there is no guarantee that it will have an abundance of traditionally-oriented women, so it's technically not on the list.

As is evident, we are having to reach into places further and further from home in order to find beautiful, feminine women, and there is no completely fail-proof option that doesn't demand a more or less extreme change in lifestyle. Today, this is the reality that we live in. In a changing world it won't be the reality forever, but we have to do what we have to do in order to ensure fulfilling lives in today's society.

Feel free to ask any questions about the information that I have put forward and I'll do my best to answer them.

Post: #2

Nice. Which cities in EE have you visited?

Post: #3

(06-05-2016 01:42 PM)will228 Wrote:  Roosh recently published an article about how (primarily western) governments are robbing men of good wives, basically by the typical leftist, feminist brainwashing. In the article however, Roosh didn't actually give any examples of where you can consistently find girls with traditional world views, who do not intend to pursue a career and are ready to submit to their husband. Below I've written what I have managed to surmise in relation to this issue, and I think it will be a good opportunity for fellow members of the forum to share what they know.

Eastern Europe - While it differs between countries to some extent, I wouldn't call Eastern Europe "patriarchal" by any means. It would, however seem like it in comparison to America, however, of all the girls I've met here, literally every single one turned out to either be studying at university and planning to get caught up in some men's line of work (lawyer, doctor, graphic designer or whatever it happens to be). As has been mentioned numerous times before however, the girls here are far more beautiful and feminine in nature than Yanks, nevertheless, in most cases they will put their career before you. However, I have not yet met any girls from rural villages thus far. I have a feeling that in a traditional church in a traditional rural village there must be a greater likelihood of finding a worthy girl who hasn't been infected with western feminist values. If anybody has experience in a rural area like the one described, please do let us know about your experiences.

Asia - As we're talking about an entire continent here, there are of course vast contrasts between countries, but we'll address some of the main ones.
China seems very similar to Eastern Europe in that nearly all women are choosing to pursue careers, but are much more gentle-natured and feminine than American women. I've heard that it's slightly better in Taiwan, although I haven't been there so I can't comment personally.
Thailand and The Philippines. You will definitely find traditional, patriarchy-oriented girls here, although it's worth treading with a degree of caution, as there tends to be a fairly active gold-digger tendency here.
Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos - Probably your best bet for finding non-emasculated girls, although the countries are on the poorer side and I suspect that this may show up in the attractiveness of girls (I haven't been to these three personally, but spoken to people who have).
North Korea - Will probably be a haven if it ever opens up or if you manage to get into the Kim crew.
South Korea - The America of Asia. Decent for ONS's, but a bad option for marriage.

India - The Indians have a lot to be proud of in this regard - with a huge western influence, they have nevertheless managed to maintain their culture very well, and of course this includes the patriarchal system. Don't believe the rape hysteria that the Americans present, I've been to the country and it's no less safe than any typical western country. Women constantly walk and catch public transport by themselves just like in any other country. As far as I'm aware, the Americans used this Indian rape narrative to draw attention away from the rise of western "rape culture", which, ironically, they want to bring attention back to all of a sudden. As for the topic at hand, the dating system is somewhat more intricate than in other countries, in that most marriages are strictly within castes, and any girl willing to go against the wishes of her family would be much more likely to have feminist tendencies. However, I do believe that a foreigner with the right attitude would find a way in if he put his mind to it, and an Indian marriage would certainly be far more rewarding than anything the west has to offer.

The Amish - Essentially fail-proof, only you would have to be willing to take on an entirely different way of life as you know it. Who knows though, with the rise of feminism in the west, it might even be worth it.

Hasidic Judaism - While the Jews are often blamed for creating feminism, and I do partially agree with that, it was the non-religious, so called "progressive" Jews (i.e. Mark Zuckerberg) who were involved in this.
The Hasidic Jews are a traditional branch of Jews who practice traditional Judaism and don't use the holocaust to get what they want. I know you're probably thinking that this is completely nuts, but the fact is that among the Hasidic Jews there is no shortage of attractive girls, and they are traditional too. Interestingly, I remember watching a documentary about this closed community, in which there was a stereotypical Jewish man with the long sideburns etc. with a very attractive wife. That being said, it would be a somewhat extreme move to join a movement completely different to what you are used to, but in our world of growing feminism and homosexuality, such decisions are becoming more and more justifiable.

Greenland - I haven't been there, but I know that it has very little outside influence. It would be worth checking out, but there is no guarantee that it will have an abundance of traditionally-oriented women, so it's technically not on the list.

As is evident, we are having to reach into places further and further from home in order to find beautiful, feminine women, and there is no completely fail-proof option that doesn't demand a more or less extreme change in lifestyle. Today, this is the reality that we live in. In a changing world it won't be the reality forever, but we have to do what we have to do in order to ensure fulfilling lives in today's society.

Feel free to ask any questions about the information that I have put forward and I'll do my best to answer them.

Greenland girls are drunken sluts completely dependent on the Danish welfare state, from what I've heard. But I guess a better question is why we are considering Greenland and the Amish but not Africa or Latin America in a post of this nature.

Post: #4

Has it gotten so bad that we are now considering Greenland and pulling a Harrison Ford in Amish country.

Central and South American warrant consideration in this list.

Post: #5

Stuntman: So far I've been to Ukraine and Russia, although I was in Ukraine before the coup, so I suspect it's changed somewhat.

Dantes: I've heard that South America might also be an option, but as I haven't been there I can't comment personally.

Post: #6

Akwesi: Let us know if you have experience in either of those areas. I can't comment as I haven't personally.

Post: #7

(06-05-2016 02:06 PM)Dantes Wrote:  Has it gotten so bad that we are now considering Greenland and pulling a Harrison Ford in Amish country.

Central and South American warrant consideration in this list.

Only if we are cops protecting an innocent witness. Then by all means bang a hot Kelly McGillis before she turned hideous.

Post: #8

It is possible to take a feminist and turn her into a good wife. Many girls who are feminists in college wont be a feminist when they give birth to their first child. Left values are always popular in college but once people step into the real world most of them become moderates or even conservatives.

Even my own mother used to admire the left while she was in college, but she is a die hard conservative now, go figure.

All of this fuss is temporary, I don't see real danger.

''If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain''

Post: #9

(06-05-2016 02:18 PM)will228 Wrote:  Akwesi: Let us know if you have experience in either of those areas. I can't comment as I haven't personally.

African girls "accept the headship of the man in a relationship," as one of my former girls put it. You can talk to them about expecting submission and obedience, and they will accept this in theory even though they don't always follow through in practice.

When you date an African woman she will typically expect you to decide where you are going, what you will eat and drink, and so on. A lot of the time she will say "I will have whatever you're having."

African women also respect age a lot, while at the same time being very accepting of age differences, or rather I should say that many of them greatly prefer the man to be significantly older.

Even polygamy is not a dealbreaker for most of them, and philandering, although discouraged and bemoaned, is certainly expected.

The African woman wants a strong man with resources, an alpha provider, to lead her and be the center of her life. African cultures seem to be quite patriarchal in a natural way, rather than the exaggerated and perverse patriarchy that has developed in some Middle Eastern cultures.

I don't have much to say about Latin America, but there are numerous experts here and it seems patriarchal values are somewhat respected there as well. However, it appears that those values are eroding in some countries, most notably Brazil if I have understood the specialists correctly.

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Chinese women are often lacking in feminine virtue but tend to make comparatively good wives since things like being childless, divorced, or promiscuous are all shameful traits in the still family-oriented Confucian culture. My understanding of Eastern Europe is that women are more feminine but less beholden to the concept of family harmony.

Also, in EE and EA it's not that women decide to get careers, but that economic circumstances encourage it. Chinese women married to wealthy husbands have no need to work, so they often don't. Feminism exists in China, and so does third-wave feminism, but most people think it's stupid and the government suppresses it.

One Chinese girl who was tutoring me in Mandarin said that she was okay with homosexuality, and then I asked her how she would feel if her child was gay. She hesitated for a long moment before responding. If it were an American woman she'd probably proudly proclaim her intention to educate her kid about "alternative lifestyles" from birth.

Post: #11

Men who ask for patriarchal values should really consider first whether theyre ready for it and are up to it.

So many guys look for women with conservative values then turns out they want to bang and leave, or want to split checks and bitch about money, or just arent a man of value nor trying to be.

Post: #12

3rd tier Brazil and any small cities in the interior

Post: #13

From experience and what I know. South chinese girls are mostly conservative and just want to find a husband before they hit 24-25 (alot of them marry as virgins). I've met alot and dated one and that is what I learned.

If you're into white girls, then I would say FSU countries outside the big cities. I dated a girl that was Tatar and from their culture they have traditional patriachal values.

Another point are Arabs and most muslims but I guess thats a no no for most men here. However, if you're lucky you could find some christian Arabs, they pretty much have all colors. Lebanese, palestinian and syrian women are beautiful btw.

Japanese, my friend is dating one and he always tells me how she's always cooking for him, cleaning, pleasing him and following him like a woman should. The biggest advantage, they are pretty much the most beautiful asian girls compared to their neighbors

Good luck

Post: #14

(06-05-2016 02:39 PM)BlackHat Wrote:  It is possible to take a feminist and turn her into a good wife.

Good luck with that. That is playing with fire.

If a girl is/was a proud feminist it's likely that her friends, her mom, and other women around her are also proud feminist. If her mom is a proud feminist then her dad is probably a beta bitch that let's his wife run over him as well. She learned what a relationship should be like from their example.

The greatest influencers on a girl is her family, her friends, and society. If a girl is/was a feminist and her mom, friends, and society all preach feminist values even if she proclaims that she is changed doesn't mean it is true. The moment your relationship has a little bump those feminist around her will be tell her to divorce you, cheat on you, and/or "woman up" and don't take shit from you. Your little "good wife" is back to being a feminist just like that.

Post: #15

(06-05-2016 01:42 PM)will228 Wrote:  However, I have not yet met any girls from rural villages thus far. I have a feeling that in a traditional church in a traditional rural village there must be a greater likelihood of finding a worthy girl who hasn't been infected with western feminist values. If anybody has experience in a rural area like the one described, please do let us know about your experiences.

You're correct, but the likelihood of finding such a girl in a rural area isn't as high as you might think. The spread of modern technology helped in narrowing the gap between rural and urban areas, and consequently made rural girls of our modern generation more sluttier than before. Thanks to this, today even in remote rural areas of Eastern Europe you can find examples of adultery and slutty behavior worthy of the most degenerate cities of the West.

For example, the biggest star of the Croatian version of the Big Brother reality show in 2011 was a 27-year old married wife and mother, who publicly cheated on her husband in the show with a guy from Serbia. She did that in front of the cameras, for the entire nation to see. Her background - she hails from a small town in the mountainous region of the country, and is the daughter of a war veteran. Patriarchal upbringing? Not so much, I'd guess.

Also, in my country rural areas are currently experiencing a population drain. It's usually the girls who move to urban areas to get educated, find work and get fucked by alphas, while guys more often than not stay at home, to work the land and take care of their elderly.

Post: #16

In Serbia you can find many traditional women. Although it can be a little hard for a foreigner to get them. Smartphones have infected the Balkans but it is still a great place, with the exception of Croatia. I will write a thread about Serbia later today.

I also found many traditional girls in Hungary. You also see many young couples with kids there on the streets of Budapest.

In general anywhere where there is a strong faith and homogenous culture, you will find traditional women.

Post: #17

If you're in the west, I've found one massive litmus test. It's also one that only works with Catholics.

That litmus test is contraception. There's numerous reasons for this, but the shortest one is that it's something where the consequences are not immediately apparent. For a girl to espouse that position requires her to take a massive break from society's overall position, for her to be able to realize the consequences associated with a non-traditional relationship model(of which contraception is not only a consequence, but the primary cause), and to be willing to dramatically limit her options by visibly choosing that.

I met a decent number of girls off those sites. Without exception, the ones who were accepting of contraception and premarital sex were infected with the feminist mentality. Those who opposed them strongly were largely OK although there were a few of the type that thinks you're going to hell if you drink a beer or cuss.

Post: #18

(06-06-2016 06:28 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  If you're in the west, I've found one massive litmus test. It's also one that only works with Catholics.

That litmus test is contraception. There's numerous reasons for this, but the shortest one is that it's something where the consequences are not immediately apparent. For a girl to espouse that position requires her to take a massive break from society's overall position, for her to be able to realize the consequences associated with a non-traditional relationship model(of which contraception is not only a consequence, but the primary cause), and to be willing to dramatically limit her options by visibly choosing that.

I met a decent number of girls off those sites. Without exception, the ones who were accepting of contraception and premarital sex were infected with the feminist mentality. Those who opposed them strongly were largely OK although there were a few of the type that thinks you're going to hell if you drink a beer or cuss.

Agree. I've only met a handful of girls in my whole life that were anti-contraception. They were all devout Catholics. But it's a great litmus tests for being anti-feminist. Even most pro-life conservatives (and neo-masculinity folks) seem to be ok with contraception...this is sad because it shows a lack of understanding about human nature.

That being said, to find a girl who is anti-contraception via cold approach in a big city...i'd say your chances are higher winning the state lottery.

Post: #19

In Mexico (excluding must Mexico City because is full with leftists) and I will say in many parts of latin america, women tend to be more conservative with family oriented values, great influence of the catholic religion. I will say the norther you are in Mexico the locals are generally like that, specially middle upper class and upper class. Excluding women that study outside their home towns, must of them expect the man to be an alpha provider I will say. That is my point of view, but I will also say they will not see foreigns as ideal partners, specially if they aren't catholic until they really prove them to. Warning: If the girl was in exchange you can imagine other type of results.

Post: #20

I think Latin American women are far more mercenary and have relationship/family value sets that evolved differently than North Americans--in general I don't think they apply the same seriousness to monogamy and divorce/separation that my values do. Look at a place that is somewhat revered here--Colombia--I wouldn't call nearly 90% of kids born out of wedlock as having patriarchal/traditional values.