Post: #26

(05-24-2016 11:48 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  (Stan Lee rejects making Spider-Man bisexual)

As long as he owns the rights. Once they are sold after he passes (this is all presumed) the new owners could have a "moment of clarity".

Post: #27

(05-24-2016 10:06 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  Its also the #1 news item on Facebook.

Further proof that they inject agenda pieces into their trending news streams.

Post: #28

Whatever happened to "MY JIZZ, MY BIZ"? BIZNATCHES, PLEASE! I cannot fucking believe this Victorian-style thirst is still around.

Post: #29

The only activity these 'activists' do is making hashtags go viral. Next week, it'll be #MakeLukeSkywalkerATranny

Post: #30

I read something about Chris Evans and how he wasn't really sure about doing Captain America.

He had some hesitation after Fantastic Four.

I don't want to try and see too much into it - but he wanted it to be something he could be proud of. Didn't want to ride another disaster - partly for his career, but also a little bit of pride.

I can respect someone having a little pride if it makes them want to do a good job. I can't respect pride when it doesn't allow you to learn anything, can't admit you are wrong, or gets people killed.

(05-24-2016 10:56 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  The only activity these 'activists' do is making hashtags go viral. Next week, it'll be #MakeLukeSkywalkerATranny

Where have you been? That was last week.

Post: #31

(05-24-2016 11:48 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  ...I won't even use Twitter anymore because it's been completely taken over by leftist bullshit...

Nah.
You can come back.
@Cernovich
@Voxday
@ChateauEmissary
@PaxDickinson
@Nero
@ScottAdamsSays
@StefanMolyneux
@IllimitableMan
@WallStPlayboys
@GrrrGraphics
@Gavin_McInnes

Plenty of good accounts to follow.

Hell, even the satire accounts of : @GodfreyElfwick & @DonovanPaisley are good for a laugh.

Post: #32

(05-24-2016 11:39 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  If fag characters are such a great idea, invent your own. Make your own fag hero movie and see how well it does.

I can think of several likely reasons why they push to retcon existing characters in preference to demanding original LGBTBBQEIEIO characters in comics.

I suspect those who push for such things sincerely do so as a shortcut to visibility and acceptance for the targeted brand of snowflakery. They recognize, consciously or not, that any new character created with their particular quirk from the beginning will be little more than a token, as it will have no background or persona independent of the identity issues being pushed in the name of "inclusiveness" and "diversity". Worse, the authors/artists would be so constrained in handling the character with the required sensitivity and authenticity while avoiding any stereotypes or the appearance of appropriation that they couldn't possibly make it interesting - it would be transparently 100%-pure Mary Sue. So, not just a token but a risible and boring one, and therefore an embarrassment to the group it was intended to represent and promote a positive image of.

Retconning an existing character exploits the "goodwill" earned from previous work to get around this. You already know the character, so its human shortcomings and tragic flaws and lapses in judgment necessary for an interesting story are individual traits and don't reflect on the victim group it now suddenly represents. And the character can be just as obnoxiously preachy about the message as a token, but the obnoxiousness is tempered by the bookshelf of non-message past work stretching out behind it. Not to mention that that goodwill greases the skids for acceptance in the same way a personal relationship in real life can survive one of the parties "coming out": "Okay, sure, he's gay, but he's still the same Bob I've known all these years." They anticipate a gradual "getting used to it" by the audience after the shock wears off, and are happy to accept this as "acceptance" no matter that it's a counterfeit one.

On the other side, though, are the people pushing this as an expression of spite. As others have stated above, these "activist fans" only seem to go after the superheroes who are moral and masculine (with the possible exception of Spiderman, who strikes me as emo), as an obvious effort to destroy traditional male role models by making a mockery of their morality and masculinity. Some of the spiteful activists probably just enjoy destroying the happiness of those who disagree with or reject them by vandalizing something those people revere, rubbing their noses in things they don't care enough about or would simply rather not see.

But there's also an element of intellectual corruption at work. Just as with propaganda and rallies and such in tyrannical regimes, the point of the exercise is to undermine your integrity by coercing you to play along with the charade that something you know is bad or wrong or false is in fact good and right and true: "Cap has always been teh gay with Bucky". These sorts of people may indeed love the oppressed as much as they claim to, but in the end they hate other people's notions of virtue and integrity even more, and delight in tearing them down. Even if doing so entails hypocritically "shaming" those notions of virtue and integrity by associating them with a cause that they themselves champion as good.

Obviously, the latter goals are things you simply cannot accomplish with original, built-to-spec SJW characters.

Post: #33

The (relative) normalization of homosexuality has made traditional male friendships almost impossible in media and real life.

Bucky and Steve grew up together, fought together and would have died for each other - For the longest time, Steve thought Bucky did die for him. For Steve, it's only natural to go to hell and back for his friend because Bucky would do, has done, the same for him.

It's something that is alien to many today (especially leftists, though perhaps that goes without saying), mostly for two reasons: The shared experiences that forge such bonds have largely disappeared. We no longer build things ourselves, we don't need to hunt or grow our food and even the gentlemen's clubs of days long past have been disappeared by 'progress'.

The second & more insidious reason is that the language has changed around us. That homosexuality is considered 'normal' or 'acceptable' has poisoned the well for men everywhere. Almost anything you could do with a friend can have the undertone of 'was that gay?', even when nothing of the sort was intended or implied on any level by either party. Since for many people now that is the default assumption for two guys doing things together.

This has been on my mind since I recently read this article, and I've probably done a pretty average job of summarizing it but it's definitely worth a read if you've the time. I think I was linked to it from this forum, so some of you have probably read it before.

Post: #34

(05-24-2016 11:25 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 11:48 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  ...I won't even use Twitter anymore because it's been completely taken over by leftist bullshit...

Nah.
You can come back.
@Cernovich
@Voxday
@ChateauEmissary
@PaxDickinson
@Nero
@ScottAdamsSays
@StefanMolyneux
@IllimitableMan
@WallStPlayboys
@GrrrGraphics
@Gavin_McInnes

Plenty of good accounts to follow.

Hell, even the satire accounts of : @GodfreyElfwick & @DonovanPaisley are good for a laugh.

Yeah, twitter is as entertaining as Trump's campaign nowadays if you follow the right people (pun intended)

Post: #35

Progressives have a tendency to make character people like to convert to their agenda, they know they can't create a gay character people will like, so they take one established and twist it around.

Post: #36

You know what it really is? Faggots and all the other sexual deviants and SJWs out there are moist for Chris Evans. They give zero fucks about Captain America. By all accounts Chris Evans is an excellent example of a modern white, masculine, cocksure, hetero male. He's the kind of guy who's had no problems attracting women. The deviants covet him because they can't have him. By demanding that Captain America become gay, it allows their fantasies to become a little closer to reality.

Post: #37

Doubt Cap' will give up Agent 13 anytime soon.

Post: #38

Hollywood will never just create an original superhero that just happens to be gay. The LGBT crowd has an underlying desire to subvert and pervert, so the creation of a gay icon is not enough for them. They must convert an existing, masculine, upstanding character in order to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of people who are unsure of themselves that they could be gay.

The natural assumption of a person is to associate heterosexual with good, and Captain America sets a very high moral standard. If someone at his level could be gay, failure to live up to the natural, instinctual standard of good becomes acceptable to impressionable minds. Other posters have articulated the idea that Steve's and Bucky's friendship was once normal for heterosexual men, but that kind of behavior reflexively gets a "no homo" out of most men today. The LBGT agenda is not just to create visibility for homosexuals, but to rebrand everything as gay to create confusion.

Homosexuals rely on conversion to grow their numbers and to introduce novelty into their degenerate sex lives. Simply creating a gay character, no matter how well-written the movie/comic/etc. might be, does not serve that need to convert.

Post: #39

Why do these people think everyone is obligated to bend over backwards to accommodate their agenda? Jesus

Post: #40

(05-25-2016 09:37 AM)omniglot Wrote:  Why do these people think everyone is obligated to bend over backwards to accommodate their agenda? Jesus

I think you mean bend over forward...

Post: #41

Do it, just like the female Bond. Hollywood, as one of the heads of the Hydra needs to be destroyed, preferably by itself.

Post: #42

(05-24-2016 07:29 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:57 PM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  samsamsam, you're exactly right. They hate Captain American more than others, and thus more desire to pervert him, because he's the most traditional, down-to-earth, conventionally realistic masculine man of the whole superhero bunch. His existence scares and offends them.

Dead right. While I like DC over Marvel, I actually like Cap's movies more than the rest because he's as close as you get to a masculine, moral man in the degenerate West.





How often do you actually see this sort of scene in post-2010 films? Can't get much more authentic and NoHomo than this scene as far as I'm concerned, and it just comes across effortless.

(05-24-2016 07:49 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  ^^ yes I find myself liking Cap's movies the most, because I realised how *rare* his character is in this day and age, plus they're all pretty damn good movies.

Capt America has the same advantage that Don Draper had in Mad Men, the only way they can get way with being like they are is because they are from different time period, so the audience excuse them, Christian Grey has a similar advantage, he is into BDSM and is a billionaire, so his dominant controlling nature is excuse by the female reader.

Post: #43

....and he's apart of Hydra now.



http://io9.gizmodo.com/everyone-please-s...1778646082

Post: #44

(05-25-2016 04:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  ....and he's apart of Hydra now.



http://io9.gizmodo.com/everyone-please-s...1778646082

"Not only are we going to make Captain America gay, but now he's a gay Nazi"

I'm seriously at the point where I want to engage SJW's and liberals with violence just for the fuck of it

Post: #45

That's a shitty plot twist. I'm willing to bet the whole story arc will be quickly aborted and retconned in the near future.

While this certainly isn't the first time writers have done something desperate (e.g. the "deaths" of both Captain America and Superman in past issues) to get attention, it certainly feels different since the character is pulling a 180-degree turn on everything he's ever stood for. But apparently even Superman was depicted as a Nazi at one point.

For reference:

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How the "Civil War" comic book ended.

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What happened when Superman went up against Doomsday back in the 90s.

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Nazi Superman or should we just call him "Ubermensch"?


I just hate that both of these things dropped the same week. First, we have to worry about Captain America turning gay and now he's a Hydra operative. Certainly makes it feel like anything is possible.

Personally, I'm so tired of this shit. If gays want a gay superhero they need to make their own. Go make Corporal Limp-wrist or Major Faggotry but leave Captain America the fuck alone. #MakeCaptainAmericaGreatAgain (MCAGA)

Post: #46

(05-25-2016 08:58 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Personally, I'm so tired of this shit. If gays want a gay superhero they need to make their own.

Marvel actually already made a gay superhero "Northstar" back in 2012. So I don't see any point in turning another established character gay other than to send a political message; e.x. since he's captain "America" it's being used as a platform to push a theme of homosexual acceptance in America.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/comics/x-...boyfriend/

Post: #47

(05-25-2016 10:01 PM)EDantes Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:58 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Personally, I'm so tired of this shit. If gays want a gay superhero they need to make their own.

Marvel actually already made a gay superhero "Northstar" back in 2012. So I don't see any point in turning another established character gay other than to send a political message; e.x. since he's captain "America" it's being used as a platform to push a theme of homosexual acceptance in America.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/comics/x-...boyfriend/

I'm just saying I'm over the bullshit. Butt pirates are taking a page right out of the feminists' playbook -- don't bother creating your own shit, just try taking over someone else's once all the heavy lifting's been done. Honestly I could give two shits if they ever make a gay superhero, I just don't want to see them fuck up Captain America.

Post: #48

(05-25-2016 10:29 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:01 PM)EDantes Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:58 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Personally, I'm so tired of this shit. If gays want a gay superhero they need to make their own.

Marvel actually already made a gay superhero "Northstar" back in 2012. So I don't see any point in turning another established character gay other than to send a political message; e.x. since he's captain "America" it's being used as a platform to push a theme of homosexual acceptance in America.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/comics/x-...boyfriend/

I'm just saying I'm over the bullshit. Butt pirates are taking a page right out of the feminists' playbook -- don't bother creating your own shit, just try taking over someone else's once all the heavy lifting's been done. Honestly I could give two shits if they actually make a gay superhero, I just don't want to see them fuck up Captain America.

Most likely they won't be happy until 50% of male superheroes are homosexual or transgender (despite gays being 3% of the population and tran being less than 0.001% of the population).

On a lighter note I wonder what some better names for him are now:

Captain Rammer-ica
Captain Glam-Erica
Steve Roger-the-Cabin-Boy?

Post: #49

Trump MUST win, that's all I can say. I fear we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg of the depravity to come if the HAG somehow slithers her way in. This election (more than any other I can think of) comes down to a real life showdown between good and evil. That's not even an exaggeration.

Post: #50

(05-25-2016 10:36 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Trump MUST win, that's all I can say. I fear we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg of the depravity to come if the HAG somehow slithers her way in. This election (more than any other I can think of) comes down to a real life showdown between good and evil. That's not even an exaggeration.

Not sure if Trump will be enough to do it, I think when the consumer economy finally collapses though the problem will take care of itself. If Hilary wins she may escalate the process by sending us further into debt.

And sense were already seeing the rising popularity of nationalist and "far right parties" in Europe we may be on the verge of a return to normalcy.

In "progressive" Austria a "far right candidate" just lost a presidential election by a tiny margin; what other "far right-wing leaders" from Austria come to mind? *wink*