Post: #26

(05-23-2016 01:25 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  A lot of good advice, but my take is that you are just dating these girls. There is no game here. I'm not trying to be harsh, but this is a wake-up call.

You have no idea what you're supposed to do, so you don't know what to do. You're getting typical results. This is what happens to most guys. This happened to me, minus the pretty boy aspect.

Even guys here who don't actually understand what game is. To use an old school term it's fast seduction not fast sex.

It's not so much that you're making mistakes. Let go of that. You're not in the right head space.

Trying to boil water by putting it in the freezer.

There are game denialists, but this is game unawareness.

I blame you being a pretty boy and getting easy lays but no real pulls.

Every date I go on is either a bang or a second date. That's not bragging, that's recognizing this simple fact.

If a girl agrees to meet up with you, wild circus sex is on the table.

It's your job to make it happen for her. That not only means making her feel good in a generic way, but hitting different buttons of her personality through words, silence, body language and action.

Her being physically attracted to you is just the resume. The date is the interview.

Most pretty boys don't have much to add by her measurements. That's why older chicks love pretty boys. Just bang her and leave, there's nothing to engage her on an emotional level. That's what she wants.

These younger chicks can get better dick than you all day long. She wants you to fuck her mind. I don't mean build a love connection.

You're really losing these chicks during the first interaction/date, not so much the texting.

The next broad you get out for happy hour, don't talk about the same old bullshit. Even If it's a five minute number pull you want to affect her.

Cold reads with and delving into her thought process and emotions. Predicting how she feels, articulating things that she cannot. That's value.

Creating an atmosphere of us versus them, that's value.

This doesn't have to be all Dr. Phil. There doesn't need to be a story about losing your dog so that she opens up with a tragic story of her own.

Maybe you turn the date into an adventure. Send her to score drinks for the two of you.

You just can't meet these bitches for drinks and talk about work and current events. Much less make out in the Camry and expect anything to really happen.

For a player, you want that meeting to be so eventful that she doesn't want to leave your side. That's value. That kind of value has shit all to do with your face, money, or six pack.

It's supposed to be cinematic. You're snap chatting right now.

WIA

So much distilled game wisdom in this post.

Newbies (hell, and experienced guys too) should read this several times and meditate on it. Internalize even a quarter of what WIA is talking about here and your game instantly goes up a notch.

Post: #27

What are some good reading, videos, writers for deep rapport would you guys suggest? Great posts from everyone in this thread.

Post: #28

(05-23-2016 07:23 PM)Chowder Head Wrote:  What are some good reading, videos, writers for deep rapport would you guys suggest? Great posts from everyone in this thread.

As has been explained to be, you can get deep rapport from anyone. Rapport is the state in which you can talk about anything. You can get into deep rapport with just about anyone by talking about anything, just care about it.

Rapport doesn't get you laid, it just removes the barrier of honest conversation. Create a non judgmental atmosphere, and she'll tell you her sexual secrets over a banana split. But a lot of women have no problem telling you all sorts of things you don't want to know. Get rapport without attraction and you're in the friend zone.

He's such a good conversationalist.

What you need is comfort.

Comfort is what puts your ego at risk.

You have to make moves that she might reject, and still not get butt hurt about it. Building comfort through escalation.

Comfort is about trust. Every time you touch a chick and you notice she's not into it, you withdraw without saying anything. You're attentive. Never think no, just think not yet.

Comfort gets you laid. She trusts you. That's why when you move a chick and the bookstore, to the coffee shop, walk through the city - trust builds. Every time you go someplace, and nothing bad happens, trust builds.

So when you finally get in the cab to head back to your apartment, everything should be cool.

With that in mind, a player doesn't need a book on how to build rapport, he needs to be bold and try to establish comfort aka trust .

But

If you want to see rapport develop watch soft ball interviews on television. The tv hosts are great at giving their guests a way to shine and taking answers and building something more. Charlie Rose comes to mind. He'll take an answer to an easy question that the guest prepared for, and get a new little nugget out. And the guest feels good for unburdening themselves.

Rapport is great for screening. Long term dtf, short term. Etc.

WIA

Post: #29

^^ Been a student of game all this time and I never could articulate the difference between comfort and rapport like that. It's one of the things I feel like "you know or you dont, there's no talking about it". Thanks man

Post: #30

Someone had to explain it to me.
I learn the basics everyday.

There isn't one place where it's all written down in an easy digestible format.

The steps are easy enough to write down, but like a recipe, why do I need two teaspoons and not four? There is a logic and rationale behind a lot of game technique that's not so obvious.

And most of the game is counter intuitive not repetition of stuff people already believe.

It just doesn't boil down to anything simple.

WIA

Post: #31

WIA dropping knowledge bombs in this thread.

Post: #32

Heavily co-sign WIA's distillation of what in essence turns women on.

The below, in particular, are the mantras that have gotten me through every personal best game success (I pulled HER? In THAT situation?). These are the only ones I consciously run in my mind while I'm on.

(05-23-2016 01:25 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If a girl agrees to meet up with [me], wild circus sex is on the table.

It's [my] job to make it happen for her.

Fuck her mind.

Predicting how she feels, articulating things that she cannot.

Atmosphere of us versus them.

Every time I've faithfully upheld these, it's been 100%

Quote:she doesn't want to leave [my] side.

Post: #33

(05-23-2016 01:25 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  There are game denialists, but this is game unawareness.

It's your job to make it happen for her. That not only means making her feel good in a generic way, but hitting different buttons of her personality through words, silence, body language and action.

These younger chicks can get better dick than you all day long. She wants you to fuck her mind. I don't mean build a love connection.

Cold reads with and delving into her thought process and emotions. Predicting how she feels, articulating things that she cannot. That's value.

Creating an atmosphere of us versus them, that's value.

This is a great post on game philosophy.

I do feel that it is important to recognize that there are different approaches to meeting women.

Personally, I am not a deeply emotional person (outside of a certain kind of abnormal emotional intensity), so it is a lot easier to focus on the process and where certain steps could be improved rather than figuring out how to hit emotional buttons.

I am younger. Still, I have approached around a few hundred girls and I still have no idea how to hit emotional buttons, but I have put together a basic step-by-step process that I flow through that helps me get girls.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Post: #34

^-- even without realizing it, you're hitting emotional buttons at some point during your process, when that process works.

Start to become conscious of it: notice when she suddenly opens up and becomes more comfortable, notice when she bites her lip and seems turned on, notice when your banter is taking an "us vs. them" flavor, or when you tell that one story that gets you riled up and passionate, and she reacts.

As you become aware of it, you can start to focus less on the process and more on enjoying yourself + making sure to hit those buttons.

It's like writing a song -- intro, verse, (pre-chorus,) chorus, verse, (pre-chorus,) chorus, bridge, chorus, out...

You don't have to be thinking about music theory and "process" to know you've been vamping on the verse for too long, time to rise up to the chorus!

Post: #35

My problem was a little different but similar in chicks ghosting after the bang. Here is how I solved it. Simple terms, you need to fuck them three times. 60 years ago it may have been one fuck and they are solid on your rotation but not in our current culture. I was running into a pattern of fucking girls 1-2 times going on 2-3 dates and them going cold. I spoke with a guy who has over 500 lays and at any given time has 6-12 girls on his rotation, he said he was running into a similar problem and spoke with other advance guys to come up with this "rule" and formula. He told me a good way to go about it is first date do drinks or coffee and bang her(get to know her better). Second date do something fun like Dave and Busters or comedy show and third date do something romantic like dinner at a restaurant, bang her after both dates and she gets to see multiple aspects of your personality and she is pretty solid on your rotation after that. Also try to set up the next date especially the first three in person at the end of the date, so at end of date one set date 2 up so she is thinking about it. He gave me a text flow chart I follow, but basically don't try to get to get too cute over text, use it as way to remind about meet ups, especially till you bang her three times because she will be more invested. Different girls its different, like a girl who it took 4 dates to bang would be more invested after the initial bang then a chick you pulled from a nightclub but the three bang "rule" is a good one to follow, don't take a chick forgranted till you bang her three times.

Post: #36

(05-26-2016 06:57 PM)456 Wrote:  ^-- even without realizing it, you're hitting emotional buttons at some point during your process, when that process works.

Start to become conscious of it: notice when she suddenly opens up and becomes more comfortable, notice when she bites her lip and seems turned on, notice when your banter is taking an "us vs. them" flavor, or when you tell that one story that gets you riled up and passionate, and she reacts.

As you become aware of it, you can start to focus less on the process and more on enjoying yourself + making sure to hit those buttons.

It's like writing a song -- intro, verse, (pre-chorus,) chorus, verse, (pre-chorus,) chorus, bridge, chorus, out...

You don't have to be thinking about music theory and "process" to know you've been vamping on the verse for too long, time to rise up to the chorus!

Here's the point I am trying to make, it is almost impossible for me to become conscious of it. My ability to connect to and interpret emotions is very low. It is similar to high functioning aspergers or psychopathy.

I actually spent up to two years trying to understand the emotional side of relating to women, until I realized that it was a lost cause. Once I switched over to a methodical approach where I experimented with different moves, phrases, and strategies did my results improve.

This is where I find myself being in contention with the mainstream orthodoxy of game. Most of the members on this forum and many other forums I have been to, in addition to the instructors have sold the idea of the surrounding emotional connections and hitting emotional hotspots as being the way to entrap the hearts of women.

There is a smaller subset of us freaks out there where that approach simply does not work. Rather, a person like me has to work on memorizing all the different ways that certain types of body language is connected to different emotions and behavior sets. Then methodologically find what responses are the best to those different kinds of outwards representations of emotions.

In addition to this, I have to employ different framing mechanism in order to lead the direction of the relationship. I also have to do different moves like physical touching and paying attention to the direction the girl's feet are pointing, to test out her level of interest rather than having an intuitive feeling about it.

Much of what I do has crossover with the mainstream form of game, but the missing element is the emotional aspect. In my perception of reality, the emotional aspect simply does not exist or is such a small part that it is not relevant to how I approach interacting with girls.

I have tried to tap into the emotional side because I have heard of it from various people. Even my own cousin lives and breathes the heartstring game. Still, I have not been able to succeed within that aspect of game since my own brain was not developed that way.

If you want to see what I am talking about, I would watch videos of Paul Janka and even Krauser (who I know browses this forum) to see how the emotional side is subdued in favor of a more methodical, experimental, number game type of approach.

I am sure that I will always get murmurings of game denialism, but I just want to point out that there is a subset of us who see Game as something completely different from interfacing with a girl's emotions.

Post: #37

WIA's Us vs. The World comment is something that is said in game, as in make a bubble. This is something I have never articulated, it is very powerful, maybe one of the strongest techniques to get a girl ready to have sex quickly.

Some popular ways are people watching together, pointing out someone or a group and making a cold read and getting her to agree. Another way is to bring up a topic she is passionate about and get her to let out some hater comments about something is trying to affect her passion topic in a fun way. Troll her enemies together with her no matter how silly they are. A faster way is to break a law or rule with her and make the two of your bandits together on a mission to risk getting as close to get caught as possible. The bigger the broken rule the more connected she will feel immediately.

"Partners in crime" is some gay quote girls say all the time about their soul mate list, there is wisdom in it.

An old seduction guy is Gary Brodsky, pretty much a carbon copy of Andrew Dice Clay.

He said in one of his audio CD collections: "How To Be a Player" probably my favorite game material of all time. Very deep things. People say Mystery for the fireworks and circus show. Gary Brodsky talks about fucking her mind.

He says the goal is it is your show and your goal is to make her the sexy sidekick that the crowd is in love with because you show all her good sides and endearing quirky sides all at once. You still always run the show. This creates the Us vs. The World mentality.