Post: #51

6 years on from my divorce, I've lived in four countries since then and just passed 100 women. Got some grey hair now and body fat down to 11%, the women love it. Will be playing on, brothers.

Post: #52

(05-07-2016 11:06 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  To clarify...

You don't have to be married to live with a woman, love her, have kids with her, grow old with her. Any woman that insists that you do, that wants you to enter into a contract that's not in your best interest is not looking out for you.

I understand most readers here are from Anglosphere, but marriage laws are not uniform across the world.

In the Philippines there is basically NO divorce, except expensive annulments that most can't afford. In addition, my impression based on limited data is child support judgements should they occur are for far lower amounts than in someplace like USA. I knew one girl who had had a kid with a guy who was by her report a bipolar drunk, and she said she was asking for $200 per month. She had been awarded that amount, but told me the guy had never paid her anything.

Also, in a separate issue, if you are a lot older like me, post 60, "they can only kill you once." In Italy I think it takes 5 years or more to get divorced, so presuming the kids are 5 by the time she wants out, there's only 8 years of child support left.

Marriage is like having children in that it is an either/or thing-- you can't be married and not be married at the same time.

It is a personal decision each person has to judge for himself based on his specific financial, legal, tempermental and social setup in life.

There's no one answer for everyone. I'm thinking of getting married soon so I figured I'd join the divorce thread now and save time.

But no one here is putting washing my dishes, cleaning up my house, having sex with me lol, should I consider the desires of someone who is showing they care or internet philosphers?

Post: #53

(05-08-2016 03:31 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Samsamsam, I totally sympathize with your point of view. If you want to have kids, a strong traditional marriage by far the best environment to raise them in. I was married for 19 years and inspite of how hard it was and how much the marriage took its toll on me, I have no regrets.
...

Bottom line, if you want a family, choose your wife very carefully, protect your assets and finances as much as possible, prepare to sacrifice and understand that nothing lasts forever.

Great, thoughtful and candid story to take away lessons from.
+1 from me.

Post: #54

(05-21-2016 08:14 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  The problem with a marriage is, you start off with an understanding of what you will do, and what she will do, and the teamwork and joint effort is appealing.

Once she has you on lockdown, the ring on the finger and the kids are there.... She can just quit her side of the bargain. She doesn't have to life a finger now.

.....

If you don't like having to do 100% of everything, you have the option to pull the trigger on a divorce.

That divorce cost me 100% ... left me working to pay 66% of my gross pay as child support for twelve years, living in a bedsit and being allowed to see my kids for two days a fortnight, if she felt like letting me.

The system ( WHERE? ) is rigged against men, very much. If I had my time again, I would not marry nor have kids.

Excellent cautionary tale-- can I ask did this happen in Anglosphere?
To what degree can one insulate oneself? Not buy a house? She acts up, you move out and stop paying rent--?

Do they have confiscatory divorce settlements in Thailand?

Post: #55

(05-06-2016 04:10 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Credit score over 700. No kids, abortions, sexual abuse, physical abuse, and as little baggage as possible. Comes from a nice stable intact home. Spotless criminal background check. These are base level standards. And extremely hard to find.

It’s important to state what you just did—having a criteria is imperative. Will you get all your criteria? Maybe not. But you will be happier obtaining 5 out of your 6 requirements than someone who lets fate decide for him.

The first time I got married was because it was the “thing to do for a man my age.” My only requirement was that she not be American. Well, that quickly blew up in my face. I learned that all women need to be vetted, regardless of where they’re from. At one point during that marriage, I had clumps of hair falling out when I showered—that’s how stressed I was. The marriage started to fail from the beginning because my criteria was too broad. She ended up to be bipolar, and the instability of her consciousness broke me down day by day. By the end, I was like Michael Douglas in the movie Falling Down—ready to go nuts.

With my current wife, I made a list of around 6 things I was looking for. I found a woman who had around 5 of those requirements. Then, after a courtship of roughly two years, I came to the conclusion that the one missing requirement was not going to be detrimental. I am now happily married to that woman and we have a daughter together (Note that having a family was always something I wanted). I also had to expatriate to find my requirements.

There is no guarantee of long-term success for any of us; but I firmly believe that an honest assessment of one’s requirements will increase the odds of a successful venture.

Post: #56

(09-05-2016 04:42 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:53 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:00 PM)Vaun Wrote:  So does anyone really want to do this again? Anybody giving a real look at a second shot?

Can't say I'd ever get married ever again. Most guys can survive one divorce but two? With the current state of American bitches and the laws, one would have to be an utter fool to contemplate a second go around with a high possibility of a second divorce. Second marriages supposedly have an even higher rate of failure than first marriages. One divorce is enough, I ain't ever going through that ever again.

Thats my take on it too. Ive been looking more are the second marriage stats, and its a nightmare out there. I look at these guys rushing back into marriages and I have to think they are incredible stupid, especially with several kids from their first marriage, blended families, etc. Being post divorce 6 years out, they say every year you wait to get remarried, you are much less more likely to never remarry again. I have avoided a few disasters, but even with this amount of time out, I'm still defining the route I want to take.

You're right. So many guys rush back into marriage with disastrous results. The whole blended family thing is another reason I won't get remarried. I'm not putting my kids through that, they've been through enough. They don't need a stepmother who's going to treat them badly.

IKE, Phils seems to have decent divorce laws. America on the other hand...

Post: #57

Only way I would entertain the thought of getting married again is after my kids have left the house. With my youngest being 7, I'm in no hurry.

Post: #58

(09-05-2016 05:23 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Also, in a separate issue, if you are a lot older like me, post 60, "they can only kill you once." In Italy I think it takes 5 years or more to get divorced, so presuming the kids are 5 by the time she wants out, there's only 8 years of child support left.

In Italy if the child doesn't work/earn (enough) you have to pay child support till the kid reaches 28.

Which is why kids from divorced parents study till they are ..... 28

Post: #59

(09-05-2016 10:10 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 04:42 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:53 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:00 PM)Vaun Wrote:  So does anyone really want to do this again? Anybody giving a real look at a second shot?

Can't say I'd ever get married ever again. Most guys can survive one divorce but two? With the current state of American bitches and the laws, one would have to be an utter fool to contemplate a second go around with a high possibility of a second divorce. Second marriages supposedly have an even higher rate of failure than first marriages. One divorce is enough, I ain't ever going through that ever again.

Thats my take on it too. Ive been looking more are the second marriage stats, and its a nightmare out there. I look at these guys rushing back into marriages and I have to think they are incredible stupid, especially with several kids from their first marriage, blended families, etc. Being post divorce 6 years out, they say every year you wait to get remarried, you are much less more likely to never remarry again. I have avoided a few disasters, but even with this amount of time out, I'm still defining the route I want to take.

You're right. So many guys rush back into marriage with disastrous results. The whole blended family thing is another reason I won't get remarried. I'm not putting my kids through that, they've been through enough. They don't need a stepmother who's going to treat them badly.

IKE, Phils seems to have decent divorce laws. America on the other hand...

A few things I have been thinking about here on this topic;

Will game wreck or impair my ability to go LTR in the future? Getting close to 100 bangs since the divorce. Hundreds of approaches, etc. Separating game mind set and LTR mind set was much harder for me than I expected in my last mini LTR.

Do I want to have kids in my late 40's, early 50's? Is being a "hedonist" for the rest of my life truly my calling?

My 10 year marriage failed because of immaturity, I got married at 25. Now if I try again, taking into consideration neo-masculinity, leading the relationship, being able to attract the type of girl I want, knowing what I want, I could find the right type of wife now. I enjoy raising kids, and having them.

Seeing a lot of guys rush back in, has to lead to more higher second divorce rates. Being smarter with a true abundance mindset, with money in my pocket, marrying a much younger appropriate woman certainly creates a much different dynamic than who I was at 25. On the flip side, is it such a bad proposition that staying MGTOW'ish or becoming a serial monogamist, is the only option in life? MGTOW is not an option, and I question my longevity of serial monogamy and never catching real feelings.

There are just questions I am asking myself now at this stage, and I thought I would put them out there to anyone asking themselves the same thing.

Post: #60

(09-05-2016 12:35 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 10:10 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 04:42 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:53 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:00 PM)Vaun Wrote:  So does anyone really want to do this again? Anybody giving a real look at a second shot?

Can't say I'd ever get married ever again. Most guys can survive one divorce but two? With the current state of American bitches and the laws, one would have to be an utter fool to contemplate a second go around with a high possibility of a second divorce. Second marriages supposedly have an even higher rate of failure than first marriages. One divorce is enough, I ain't ever going through that ever again.

Thats my take on it too. Ive been looking more are the second marriage stats, and its a nightmare out there. I look at these guys rushing back into marriages and I have to think they are incredible stupid, especially with several kids from their first marriage, blended families, etc. Being post divorce 6 years out, they say every year you wait to get remarried, you are much less more likely to never remarry again. I have avoided a few disasters, but even with this amount of time out, I'm still defining the route I want to take.

You're right. So many guys rush back into marriage with disastrous results. The whole blended family thing is another reason I won't get remarried. I'm not putting my kids through that, they've been through enough. They don't need a stepmother who's going to treat them badly.

IKE, Phils seems to have decent divorce laws. America on the other hand...

A few things I have been thinking about here on this topic;

Will game wreck or impair my ability to go LTR in the future? Getting close to 100 bangs since the divorce. Hundreds of approaches, etc. Separating game mind set and LTR mind set was much harder for me than I expected in my last mini LTR.

Do I want to have kids in my late 40's, early 50's? Is being a "hedonist" for the rest of my life truly my calling?

My 10 year marriage failed because of immaturity, I got married at 25. Now if I try again, taking into consideration neo-masculinity, leading the relationship, being able to attract the type of girl I want, knowing what I want, I could find the right type of wife now. I enjoy raising kids, and having them.

Seeing a lot of guys rush back in, has to lead to more higher second divorce rates. Being smarter with a true abundance mindset, with money in my pocket, marrying a much younger appropriate woman certainly creates a much different dynamic than who I was at 25. On the flip side, is it such a bad proposition that staying MGTOW'ish or becoming a serial monogamist, is the only option in life? MGTOW is not an option, and I question my longevity of serial monogamy and never catching real feelings.

There are just questions I am asking myself now at this stage, and I thought I would put them out there to anyone asking themselves the same thing.

In your case, I could see you wanting to get remarried, it makes sense to me. Hedonism gets old after a while and most people yearn for more, especially if you haven't had kids yet. Really the key is finding the right person which is the hardest thing to do nowadays. If you do find a great person though and you mitigate the risks as best as you can, then I would do it. Your situation is way different from mine since I have my kids and don't want anymore. Plus my marriage was 20 years in length. As I said, I have no regrets because I have my four kids, two of whom are in college. I never wake up in an existential crisis because of this and my life has purpose and meaning beyond satisfying hedonistic desires. So for me, a second marriage isn't likely but in your case, I would consider it. With the right person.

Post: #61

(09-05-2016 01:14 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  In your case, I could see you wanting to get remarried, it makes sense to me. Hedonism gets old after a while and most people yearn for more, especially if you haven't had kids yet. Really the key is finding the right person which is the hardest thing to do nowadays. If you do find a great person though and you mitigate the risks as best as you can, then I would do it. Your situation is way different from mine since I have my kids and don't want anymore. Plus my marriage was 20 years in length. As I said, I have no regrets because I have my four kids, two of whom are in college. I never wake up in an existential crisis because of this and my life has purpose and meaning beyond satisfying hedonistic desires. So for me, a second marriage isn't likely but in your case, I would consider it. With the right person.

I guess its all where you are at in life, and what stage you are in. For me the marriage was short/medium length, and the child/home life was never achieved long term. When I see the couples who are successful, I have to think I can make it work. I am not unhappy being single, in fact I am only unhappy when I am in an LTR or exclusive monogamous relationship. Maybe its societal programming still ringing in my ear. Definitely not on the hunt for that now.

Post: #62

I state that marriage is a terrible deal for men, but a wonderful deal for women. A woman can divorce you for any or no reason, and take all assets while collecting child support.

I would have to say virtually all my bad decisions I have made in my life stem from my poor choices in women.

My first marriage was to the first girl I ever had sex with, in college, as a beanpole 145 pound boy to a short chubby 160 pound girl a year older than me. She got pregnant, I married her, and she went to an all you can eat buffet where she shot above 230 pounds. Possibly a lot more. And <shudder> since I was in my early twenties I was constantly horny, but sex was pretty much limited to once a month and eventually a lot less. We fritted from one relative to another in a total white trash way, somehow made ends meet, and even raised a son who went to college on a full ride engineering scholarship.

We seperated after 7 years, and within about two weeks I found myself with a 7.5. This was before internet dating, so no game at all was required...just show up in your dockers and hush puppies and you're gold (attributed to another RVF forum member).

We got married (I know, I'm an idiot and that is an understatement), and pretty much every cliche about marriage occured, except that she gained not a pound, but of course the sex dried up into nothing despite me doing most of the cooking, laundry, work income, and household chores. Basically it worked like this; if I did a perfect job I got sex at the end of the week. However, something as minor as putting utensils the wrong way in the dishes was enough to nix the sex for the week. Do you know how hard it is to live with a girl with nearly a perfect body denying you sex?

This went on for years, until "we" decided to have a baby. We had sex maybe twice, she got pregnant, and that was nearly the last time we ever had sex (no sex during pregnancy).

Baby came, I did my best for a year raising him, but I wasn't making enough money to satisfy her, so I was evicted from the house, divorced, and paid child support.

So let's see:
--we had fully paid for this house, and fully paid for two cars which is an achievment I am proud of.
--No debt at all, including no student debt.

...yet somehow this left her unhappy.

I estimate my extra costs per month since being thrown out to be an $1600 post-tax. I went from being maybe not affluent but well-off and comfortable to pretty much living a hand to hand existance. I am always worried about money, and always seem to spend slightly more than I make whereas before I was very comfortable. Heck, even as a starving grad student I had more net income than I do now!

My mother had set aside some money for me; my ex-wife, knowing about that, demanded I give her 50K to her in order to have the privilege of seeing my son. That's probably not legal, but after all that I just said fuck it. I gave my four-year old son a kiss, a hug, and I told him to have a great life and to take care of his mother, and walked completely out of their lives. I have not communicated nor seen him in any way for the past three years, and have exchanged maybe six emails with his mother.

It is undoubtly one of the hardest, and nastiest, things I have ever done, but the absolute rage I feel for being taken as a chump overwhelms any sort of moral compass I once had.

Presently I am a dumpy graying 44 year old man with a big ol' potbelly and a double chin. I live with another girlfriend who I recently had a daughter with (I need to get snipped and I know...I'm a complete idiot), and I have a mistress on the side.

I seem to attract a certain type. My 2nd ex-wife had a doctorate and three masters in STEM fields, while my present girlfriend has a doctorate and a master from also a STEM field. My mistress is studying to be a coorporate lawyer. All are the career-driven highly ambitious type.

My mistress is something else. I tell her everything and do not lie about anything; she seems vaguely shocked by what I say and do. She is nineteen years old and is one of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen with a flawless body. Our love-making always has a strong element of rape to it, and I put my bitterness and rage towards women in it. She sniffles a lot when we have sex because I slap her around and choke her a lot, and complains I only use her for sex. She drives a much better newer car than me, both her parents are still together, and she goes to a university whose tuition is more than what I make in a year. I am unreasonably jealous of that; like an old Chinese saying goes, "everytime one of my friends succeeds a little something in me dies." She is a Donald Trump supporter.

I hate fuck her; she sniffles a lot; she whispers in my ear, "please don't cum in me" because like every horny teenager she isn't on birth control. No girl who wants to have sex with me is ever on birth control, and condoms are so 1990's.

I know this cannot end well. I'm going to be caught, or the mistress will expose herself. My next to last mistress contacted my girlfriend with predicably dire results. Never take a mistress, I say, but only an idiot would depend on one source for sex. Gotta diversify your portfolio, ya know.

Everything is precarious; I'm balancing on a big greasy ball of my own making. If I crash and burn then I don't really care at all, but if I do then I take down a lot of other people along with me which I do care, so I get up every day, go to work, and be a responsible civilized worker because being honorable is what beta providers such as me do. We lead boring lives and spend most of our time doing child-rearing activities. Even getting young girls pregnant is a type of child rearing.

Post: #63

@Ivan there is a strong message in your story. You younger guys take heed. Even without the mistakes you can see how committing to a girl or getting a girl pregnant can really fuck up your life.

Post: #64

(09-05-2016 01:37 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 01:14 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  In your case, I could see you wanting to get remarried, it makes sense to me. Hedonism gets old after a while and most people yearn for more, especially if you haven't had kids yet. Really the key is finding the right person which is the hardest thing to do nowadays. If you do find a great person though and you mitigate the risks as best as you can, then I would do it. Your situation is way different from mine since I have my kids and don't want anymore. Plus my marriage was 20 years in length. As I said, I have no regrets because I have my four kids, two of whom are in college. I never wake up in an existential crisis because of this and my life has purpose and meaning beyond satisfying hedonistic desires. So for me, a second marriage isn't likely but in your case, I would consider it. With the right person.

I guess its all where you are at in life, and what stage you are in. For me the marriage was short/medium length, and the child/home life was never achieved long term. When I see the couples who are successful, I have to think I can make it work. I am not unhappy being single, in fact I am only unhappy when I am in an LTR or exclusive monogamous relationship. Maybe its societal programming still ringing in my ear. Definitely not on the hunt for that now.

Yes Vaun I believe it is societal programming. This idea that a monogamous marriage is somehow going to work when you find the right woman is a mistake. There is no right women. There are bad women and good women. Then you marry either one and shit starts going downhill. And your happiness starts to go down. Its just the way it is. It may last for a very long time with a good woman. But what do you have after 20 years?

I challenge you to find a long term monogamous married couple that have not cheated on each other and are happy together. Not talking about just being together. But truly happy? Feel joy when seeing the other. Want to be together for long periods of time. etc. No way. It rarely ever happens. Look at what happens to people, they become bitter, resentful, their lives diverge onto two separate paths. They tolerate each other at best. And the sex. Well if you are good you may get it once a week, if you even want it.

I come from a family of long term married people with a tradition of staying together. And it does not work. Not the way society is today.

Post: #65

(09-07-2016 10:13 AM)Ivan996 Wrote:  I gave my four-year old son a kiss, a hug, and I told him to have a great life and to take care of his mother, and walked completely out of their lives. I have not communicated nor seen him in any way for the past three years, and have exchanged maybe six emails with his mother.

This bit killed me

I've a 3 year old son and am separated from his mother. I didn't get financially raped as we never married so am just paying child support but the thought of having no contact with my boy would be too much to bear.

Post: #66

(09-07-2016 10:13 AM)Ivan996 Wrote:  Everything is precarious; I'm balancing on a big greasy ball of my own making. If I crash and burn then I don't really care at all, but if I do then I take down a lot of other people along with me which I do care, so I get up every day, go to work, and be a responsible civilized worker because being honorable is what beta providers such as me do. We lead boring lives and spend most of our time doing child-rearing activities. Even getting young girls pregnant is a type of child rearing.

As a man in my 30s, my heart aches reading your story. I take separation from girls I've only been seeing for months or a year very hard, so I can only imagine how much you hurt!

While I haven't been married, I have my own story of loss - I was seriously ill and unable to work for several years, and I lost everything, relying on my parents and a few friends who stuck around to get me through.

I vowed to myself if and when I recovered, I wouldn't be bitter. And so far, I mostly haven't been, and my life has been so much better, even though I'm so far "behind" where other men my age are. The only advice I can give you is that you must find some way to let these feelings of bitterness and self-destructive thoughts go. See a therapist, hell see two therapists. Hit the gym every day. Forget about what car these hoes drive or how much money they make, it's irrelevant. Sell everything, leave your job, buy a used motorcycle and take off for Patagonia, if that's what it takes, then that's what you must do. You have to somehow let the rage die. Your very life depends on it.

Remember, you are no self-destructive failure. You are a man!

Post: #67

(09-08-2016 09:46 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 10:13 AM)Ivan996 Wrote:  Everything is precarious; I'm balancing on a big greasy ball of my own making. If I crash and burn then I don't really care at all, but if I do then I take down a lot of other people along with me which I do care, so I get up every day, go to work, and be a responsible civilized worker because being honorable is what beta providers such as me do. We lead boring lives and spend most of our time doing child-rearing activities. Even getting young girls pregnant is a type of child rearing.

As a man in my 30s, my heart aches reading your story. I take separation from girls I've only been seeing for months or a year very hard, so I can only imagine how much you hurt!

While I haven't been married, I have my own story of loss - I was seriously ill and unable to work for several years, and I lost everything, relying on my parents and a few friends who stuck around to get me through.

I vowed to myself if and when I recovered, I wouldn't be bitter. And so far, I mostly haven't been, and my life has been so much better, even though I'm so far "behind" where other men my age are. The only advice I can give you is that you must find some way to let these feelings of bitterness and self-destructive thoughts go. See a therapist, hell see two therapists. Hit the gym every day. Forget about what car these hoes drive or how much money they make, it's irrelevant. Sell everything, leave your job, buy a used motorcycle and take off for Patagonia, if that's what it takes, then that's what you must do. You have to somehow let the rage die. Your very life depends on it.

Remember, you are no self-destructive failure. You are a man!

Yeah the key really is to never give up and to keep fighting. Setbacks happen to everyone in life, there's no avoiding it. I know in my divorce, I used a lot of the "Goriila Mindset" stuff and man that shit really works. The marriage and divorce cycle is a meat grinder and it can and does destroy so many men (and women for that matter). When my wife told me she was divorcing me, I told myself, one of us is going down and it ain't gonna be me. The way I fought and pushed to get what I wanted while grinding her into a pulp and destroying her psychologically is one of my life's great achievements. Letting the rage die and focusing methodically and remorselessly on grinding her down was the key.

Most people are self-destructive and most often, people are their own worst enemies. The ones with the most self-discipline are the ones who are usually the happiest and most successful. Being self-disciplined is the only way to win a war, a war with some chick or a war with yourself.

Post: #68

Quote:The way I fought and pushed to get what I wanted while grinding her into a pulp and destroying her psychologically is one of my life's great achievements. Letting the rage die and focusing methodically and remorselessly on grinding her down was the key.

Hey Doc. I had to come out of lurking to find out what you did specifically if you don't mind sharing. You can PM me if you want.

I agree that too many guys are just way too passive during the divorce process and a lot of them pretty much take the attitude of "let her have everything, I don't care." Instead of being ruthless. Of course it's a lot easier without kids or if they are all grown up.

Oh, and I'm assuming you have read Mike's book Gorilla Mindset and think it's good?

Post: #69

(09-08-2016 07:11 PM)Conquistador Wrote:  

Quote:The way I fought and pushed to get what I wanted while grinding her into a pulp and destroying her psychologically is one of my life's great achievements. Letting the rage die and focusing methodically and remorselessly on grinding her down was the key.

Hey Doc. I had to come out of lurking to find out what you did specifically if you don't mind sharing. You can PM me if you want.

I agree that too many guys are just way too passive during the divorce process and a lot of them pretty much take the attitude of "let her have everything, I don't care." Instead of being ruthless. Of course it's a lot easier without kids or if they are all grown up.

Oh, and I'm assuming you have read Mike's book Gorilla Mindset and think it's good?

Well I did a few things but the most important thing I did was that when she told me she had filed for divorce, I told her "ok that's fine, you've been talking about doing this for a while but you know I'm not leaving my house until the divorce is finished" So for a year and a half or so I stayed living in my house, occupying the master bedroom, using my kitchen, seeing my kids everyday and so on. She thought I would do like every other dude and just move out and she'd have our nice big house all to her self. I knew legally that I was on solid ground and that she had no way of getting rid of me. Our rights are being eroded but one thing that does still exist is property rights. I know her lawyer told her this too.

So while living with her, my lawyer told me I could come and go as I wanted which is what I did. I gave her the silent treatment, recorded every moment I was in my house to prevent a false domestic violence charge. She would yell and scream at me and I would just walk by without even acknowledging her existence. Its funny, I told some female acquaintances of mine what I was doing and they shuddered in fear, putting themselves in the place of my wife. I came and went as I wanted, I'd go out on weekends, come home late in the evening, her hamster was going apeshit.

Meantime I fought her hard legally. I had a good lawyer who supported my strategy. She wanted to limit the time that I would get to see my kids post divorce so I fought that and got close to 50/50 time. In the meantime our house was for sale but it took a long time to sell which helped prolong her agony of having to live with me. I remember on Halloween she had some of her girlfriends over, all of whom I knew. I was going out that night so I got dressed up, I was all pumped up from being at the gym and I went downstairs and joined her party for a half hour before I left. I was flirting with her girlfriends right in front of her while drinking the wine she bought for the party. After all, I said, the wine is marital property so don't mind if I help myself. That was a great moment, she was so pissed I crashed her party, a party she held in my house.

I did choose certain moments to rip her apart verbally and I knew as time was going on, I was destroying her, my strategy was working. She was a wreck and I could see it. As a result she ended up spending close to 50K on her legal bills and I only had to pay about 3K of it. My bill was less than 20K and I got a much better result.

There's much more I can get into but the bottom line is that I was bound and determined to make her regret taking this path and I have no doubt that if she knew it would go the way it did with the end result that she got, she would have chosen to work the marriage out instead. Also by remaining in the house, all I had to do was pay the bills as if we were still married which I did, so I didn't need to pay her any temporary support. The child support clock ran out on one kid as a result since he turned 18 and finished high school while I was at home. Gorilla Mindset tactics worked and helped me get through some very dark times. I highly recommend that book. And to fight like a mofo in any divorce.

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(09-09-2016 12:00 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  There's much more I can get into but the bottom line is that I was bound and determined to make her regret taking this path and I have no doubt that if she knew it would go the way it did with the end result that she got, she would have chosen to work the marriage out instead. Also by remaining in the house, all I had to do was pay the bills as if we were still married which I did, so I didn't need to pay her any temporary support. The child support clock ran out on one kid as a result since he turned 18 and finished high school while I was at home. Gorilla Mindset tactics worked and helped me get through some very dark times. I highly recommend that book. And to fight like a mofo in any divorce.

Gentlemen this is how its done.

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