Post: #26

Jariel, solid points. Two things:

There is a huge range of Jewish girls. A good number are ethnocentric, despite no attachment to the religion, and mostly or exclusively date Jewish guys. Thus the popularity of JDate. Probably more insular than the average white girl, all things considered. A few are xenophiles.

About athletes, I was referring to the run-of-the-mill ones, on the teams with no cachet, of which there were many. My school is supposedly top tier and all, and yet, to be sure, there was no shortage of whores who'd line up for some superstar athlete dick. If you were on X or Y team, or even a certain a cappella Group, you were set.

My African friend told me he got wind of an orgy party for the basketball players and weaseled his way in, but he got kicked out and the party got broken up by the cops before anything went down. He was a little vague on the details. It's still surprising to me, but mentally I know it goes on, *all* the time.

Roosh talks a lot about calling girls out for bad behavior, and I totally agree. The funny thing is, you could tease a white girl for dating a black guy when you couldn't tease her for say, wearing sweatpants and flip-flops. She'd just think, "what's wrong with that?" - looking like a hobo is a total non-issue.

Post: #27

(07-20-2011 04:26 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Jariel, solid points. Two things:

There is a huge range of Jewish girls. A good number are ethnocentric, despite no attachment to the religion, and mostly or exclusively date Jewish guys. Thus the popularity of JDate. Probably more insular than the average white girl, all things considered. A few are xenophiles.

About athletes, I was referring to the run-of-the-mill ones, on the teams with no cachet, of which there were many. My school is supposedly top tier and all, and yet, to be sure, there was no shortage of whores who'd line up for some superstar athlete dick. If you were on X or Y team, or even a certain a cappella Group, you were set.

My African friend told me he got wind of an orgy party for the basketball players and weaseled his way in, but he got kicked out and the party got broken up by the cops before anything went down. He was a little vague on the details. It's still surprising to me, but mentally I know it goes on, *all* the time.

Roosh talks a lot about calling girls out for bad behavior, and I totally agree. The funny thing is, you could tease a white girl for dating a black guy when you couldn't tease her for say, wearing sweatpants and flip-flops. She'd just think, "what's wrong with that?" - looking like a hobo is a total non-issue.

Wishful thinking. Jewish women mwhahahaha now I know you are lying.

Post: #28

(07-20-2011 04:29 PM)Theogreat Wrote:  Wishful thinking. Jewish women mwhahahaha now I know you are lying.

He's not the only one I've heard the Jewish theory from. I've smashed two Jewish lizards in my time and both gently alluded to wanting a threesome (with another dude).

I declined but kept a mental rolodex on them (the reptiles).

Post: #29

The thing about Africans in the US is that for every one that's fucking a dime, there are thousands of them who are fucking White hippopotamuses and/or grenades. 75% of the time I see a chubby White girl with a Brotha, the dude turns out to be an African. If these guys were just pumping and dumping these lizards then it would be all good in the hood however, many of them marry and breed them. Thus, unleashing onto the world a whole generation of racially "confused" Mullattoes who makes Clarence Thomas look like Malcolm X.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for miscegenation. But it does bother me seeing Black dudes cup caking with fat white women and the guys are always walking with the biggest fucking grim I ever seen.

Post: #30

(07-20-2011 05:32 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  The thing about Africans in the US is that for every one that's fucking a dime, there are thousands of them who are fucking White hippopotamuses and/or grenades. 75% of the time I see a chubby White girl with a Brotha, the dude turns out to be an African. If these guys were just pumping and dumping these lizards then it would be all good in the hood however, many of them marry and breed them. Thus, unleashing onto the world a whole generation of racially "confused" Mullattoes who makes Clarence Thomas look like Malcolm X.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for miscegenation. But it does bother me seeing Black dudes cup caking with fat white women and the guys are always walking with the biggest fucking grim I ever seen.

Most of the Black guys that you see with fat white women are American born Black men and thats fact. The majority of African guys date/marry other African women. We all have seen thugged out Pookie and Ray Ray with white, fat, Sally with two mixed kids in tow so stop frontin.

Post: #31

(07-20-2011 01:30 PM)Theogreat Wrote:  The average black cannot get an attractive non black woman without a lot of money and status. Even then most of the time their dealing with a goldigger. Hey I don't like it either but it is what it is. Way too many black men put non black women on pedestals that they don't deserve. Most women including black women look down on black men.

Athalone or anyone else on this forum have you ever seen an attractive white/asian/hispanic/indian from a good middle class family that is intelligent dating a Black man? I bet you the answer will be no. Fucking is way different then a LTR/marriage.

Firstly, to respond to your last question, I have seen several instances of attractive, middle class non-black women willing to date (not just fuck, but date) black men. I've personally been their target on more than one occasion. It happens.

The key is assimilation. Basilransom already explained this very well, so I'll just bring an addendum.

I frequently talk of my experiences at the Ivy I go to, and how black men don't do particularly well there. The girls are almost uniformly upper-middle class or above and relatively conservative when compared to the average co-ed. They rarely hook up with black men, much less date them.

I've spoken to dozens of black men on campus about this very topic (including most of the best athletes on campus), and they nearly unanimously agreed on the difficulty of approaching non-black women here. It is much harder than it was in most of our hometowns and at other colleges.

There are, however, rare cases of black men successfully dating out here and regularly hooking up with non-black women. You almost never see it, but it does exist.

The few black men who successfully transcend these social barriers are fully assimilated into the prevailing (and largely WASPy/caucasian) culture.

1. They are often the "token black guy"-the one black male in an entirely white, preppy social group. These black men are very tight with the upper-middle class/affluent non-black guys that these non-black girls most commonly see themselves dating. They went to school with them, they party with them and they play sports with them.

The black guy, by extension, sort of blends in. He is still much less likely to get with those women than his non-black male peers, but he has a far better shot because he is close to(and socially approved by) the guys who are part and parcel of the larger culture. He'll usually end up with a girlfriend from that social group as a result of his assimilation.

2. They often attended the same prep schools and elite public schools that these non-black women attended, giving them a useful element of familiarity when approaching non-black girls from that environment. They fully grasp the nuances of white culture.

3. They transcend black stereotypes, and can often come across as "oreos".

You know how you'll occasionally turn on the TV and see a college lacrosse game on, and out in the field you'll notice a black guy("Wtf, a brotha on a lax team?")?

Those are the type of guys I'm talking about. They have fewer problems with white girls, even the preppy, upper class ones-they're too well assimilated.

If you are black and you a) aren't encased in a social circle filled with upper-middle class/affleunt non-black guys, b) don't understand the nuances of this culture(it is very different) and c) can't transcend black stereotypes(speak english, listen to broader varieties of music, do well in school), you will fail miserably.

I personally have mastered point c, which is enough to do well with most ordinary non-black women and convince them to consider dating you. I attracted plenty of cute ones in high school and still do whenever I go out in my hometown(as do many of my other black male peers here). White girls considered me an option because I transcended stereotypes, leading to wider social assimilation(I was like a lot of their white peers) and greater acceptability with them. They were comfortable enough to approach me.

With the preppy culture at my school, I'd also need point a and b to succeed. I lack them, so those girls are largely off limits.

The problem, of course, is that in the grand scheme of things only a microscopic portion of black American men are able to assimilate to this level. Points a and b require a level of familiarity with this affluent white society that very few black men have and that black society actively discourages them from having. I can't imagine the teasing a lot of black urban kids would get from other blacks for wanting to play lacrosse. They get taunted badly enough already just for speaking English and trying to get good grades(which alone is enough to also preclude them from meeting point c as well).

Thus, because so few black men are able to meet any of these criteria (even just point c), you're left with the impression that these girls just hate black men for being black. In reality, race is not the issue. Class and cultural assimilation are.
Cultural divides create the disconnect.

Eliminate them as a black guy(assimilate), and you'll see a difference.

Post: #32

(07-20-2011 06:12 PM)Theogreat Wrote:  Most of the Black guys that you see with fat white women are American born Black men and thats fact. The majority of African guys date/marry other African women. We all have seen thugged out Pookie and Ray Ray with white, fat, Sally with two mixed kids in tow so stop frontin.

I was hoping that you were going to respond to one of my post. Personally I don't why I am even bothering with you because I believe you are a troll. Anyways, I just have one quick question for ya? Other than being a B.A.N.(Bitch Ass Nigga, personally I don't believe you are Black) and a dick to just about every post you make, what value have you contributed to the forum? I went over your post history and you have yet to do a single data sheet. However, you have been a very busy bee trying to stir the pot every chance you get.

Also, what's with your weird obsession/Stalking of Athlone? You need to stop my dude. Your following of him in every thread he post borders on homosexual.

Post: #33

(07-20-2011 07:18 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 01:30 PM)Theogreat Wrote:  The average black cannot get an attractive non black woman without a lot of money and status. Even then most of the time their dealing with a goldigger. Hey I don't like it either but it is what it is. Way too many black men put non black women on pedestals that they don't deserve. Most women including black women look down on black men.

Athalone or anyone else on this forum have you ever seen an attractive white/asian/hispanic/indian from a good middle class family that is intelligent dating a Black man? I bet you the answer will be no. Fucking is way different then a LTR/marriage.

Firstly, to respond to your last question, I have seen several instances of attractive, middle class non-black women willing to date (not just fuck, but date) black men. I've personally been their target on more than one occasion. It happens.

The key is assimilation. Basilransom already explained this very well, so I'll just bring an addendum.

I frequently talk of my experiences at the Ivy I go to, and how black men don't do particularly well there. The girls are almost uniformly upper-middle class or above and relatively conservative when compared to the average co-ed. They rarely hook up with black men, much less date them.

I've spoken to dozens of black men on campus about this very topic (including most of the best athletes on campus), and they nearly unanimously agreed on the difficulty of approaching non-black women here. It is much harder than it was in most of our hometowns and at other colleges.

There are, however, rare cases of black men successfully dating out here and regularly hooking up with non-black women. You almost never see it, but it does exist.

The few black men who successfully transcend these social barriers are fully assimilated into the prevailing (and largely WASPy/caucasian) culture.

1. They are often the "token black guy"-the one black male in an entirely white, preppy social group. These black men are very tight with the upper-middle class/affluent non-black guys that these non-black girls most commonly see themselves dating. They went to school with them, they party with them and they play sports with them.

The black guy, by extension, sort of blends in. He is still much less likely to get with those women than his non-black male peers, but he has a far better shot because he is close to(and socially approved by) the guys who are part and parcel of the larger culture. He'll usually end up with a girlfriend from that social group as a result of his assimilation.

2. They often attended the same prep schools and elite public schools that these non-black women attended, giving them a useful element of familiarity when approaching non-black girls from that environment. They fully grasp the nuances of white culture.

3. They transcend black stereotypes, and can often come across as "oreos".

You know how you'll occasionally turn on the TV and see a college lacrosse game on, and out in the field you'll notice a black guy("Wtf, a brotha on a lax team?")?

Those are the guys I'm talking about. They have fewer problems with white girls, even the preppy, upper class ones-they're too well assimilated.

If you are black and you a) aren't encased in a social circle filled with upper-middle class/affleunt non-black guys, b) don't understand the nuances of this culture(it is very different) and c) can't transcend black stereotypes(speak english, listen to broader varieties of music, do well in school), you will fail miserably.

I personally have mastered point c, which is enough to do well with most ordinary non-black women and convince them to consider dating you. I attracted plenty of cute ones in high school and still do whenever I go out in my hometown(as do many of my other black male peers here). White girls considered me an option because I transcended stereotypes, leading to wider social assimilation(i was like a lot of their white peers) and greater acceptability with them.

With the preppy culture at my school, I'd also need point a and b to succeed. I lack them, so those girls are largely off limits.

The problem, of course, is that in the grand scheme of things only a microscopic portion of black American men are able to assimilate to this level. Points a and b require a level of familiarity with this affluent white society that very few black men have and that black society actively discourages them from having. I can't imagine the teasing a lot of black urban kids would get from other blacks for wanting to play lacrosse. They get get taunted badly enough already just for speaking English and trying to get good grades(which alone is enough to also preclude them from meeting point c as well).

Thus, because so few black men are able to meet any of these criteria (even just point c), you're left with the impression that these girls just hate black men for being black. In reality, race is not the issue. Class and cultural assimilation are.
Cultural divides create the disconnect.

Eliminate them as a black guy(assimilate), and you'll see a difference.

I didn't even bother to read all of your comment because dude your in denial!!! I actually almost feel sorry for you. Dude stop watching all of that IR porn and famous athletes on tv with their non black wives!!!! Your a black man in America nobody cares about your ivy league education. Look at Obama, a Colombia/Harvard Law school grad and they still treat him like an incompetent fool. What makes you think you are any different? Do you honestly think white father's and mother's want your black ass marrying their daughter? You must be really desperate to want to go through all of that crap just to get some white ass. Those white chicks you posted under chicks that you consider a 10 would never date/marry a black man. You better realize!

Post: #34

@Athlone,

While I did not grow up "upper-middle class" and definitely not "New England" (which IS something all to itself), I have been told by some friends/acquaintances from that Ivy/Stern-MBA crowd that folks who "try too hard" to assimilate will not be respected either. I gather from what I was told that you were more "respected" for "knowing your lane" while still knowing about the culture than doing a "forced assimilation".

Post: #35

(07-20-2011 03:42 PM)Moma Wrote:  And we are only talking fcuking them here. Not much social awareness should be needed beyond not getting oneself killed by overstepping oneself.

I always look at my time with white women as "we're just going to have fun", several relationships have been developed after the fun began.

Some of what Theo says have merit, most white women are not out to have relationships with non-white men, but that doesn't mean they aren't open to it, especially if you have a similar background (middle-class, two parent family, college educated).

It's just they don't usually arrive at that conclusion until they've peeped that you're "different" and you lay world-class dick.

Post: #36

(07-20-2011 06:12 PM)Theogreat Wrote:  Most of the Black guys that you see with fat white women are American born Black men and thats fact.

We've touched on this before here in the forum.

Fat white chicks have figured out the game. Embrace your "curves" and you can have an attractive black man who gives you world-class sex and on some level is actually "devoted" to you because he sees you as better than him because you're white.

I have no problem with dudes fuckin these chicks, some of them actually get down in the bedroom, but dating them on a real level and telling society "this fat bitch is my chick" is a bad look.

Post: #37

(07-20-2011 07:49 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  @Athlone,

While I did not grow up "upper-middle class" and definitely not "New England" (which IS something all to itself), I have been told by some friends/acquaintances from that Ivy/Stern-MBA crowd that folks who "try too hard" to assimilate will not be respected either. I gather from what I was told that you were more "respected" for "knowing your lane" while still knowing about the culture than doing a "forced assimilation".

Yes, the blending needs to be somewhat smooth and natural. Most of the ones who pull it off early do it naturally because its how they were raised.

The nuance comes with time-you have to know the culture first before you just jump in and try to blend. If you don't, you will seem like a try-hard (they'll use terms like "creepy", "sketchy" and "weird" to reflect this) and you will be put out very quickly.

I've been that guy. Trust me, I know.

Post: #38

(07-20-2011 07:36 PM)Theogreat Wrote:  I didn't even bother to read all of your comment because dude your in denial!!! I actually almost feel sorry for you. Dude stop watching all of that IR porn and famous athletes on tv with their non black wives!!!!

IR porn and hollywood aren't going to teach you any of what I suggested above.
They're not realistic(i shouldn't even need to say this), and they're not an inspiration for any of what I've said.

Quote:You must be really desperate to want to go through all of that crap just to get some white ass.

Regarding the white females I've had thus far, I didn't really put any effort in. I didn't "go through a lot of crap" to get them interested in me. I was just myself.

"Myself" just happens to be of the type that is more appealing to non-black women(and rather distasteful to most black american women).

So no, I'm not really desperate. My actions wouldn't indicate that at all.

Quote:Those white chicks you posted under chicks that you consider a 10 would never date/marry a black man. You better realize!

I'm not under the illusion that the black man is not at a disadvantage with those women. As I indicated in my prior post(which you claim not to have read), a black man, regardless of who he is, obviously has a higher bar to meet.
That doesn't invalidate all I've said above, however.

Post: #39

(07-20-2011 03:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I tried reading Assanova but he has some type of chip on his shoulder about game. It really took away from what he was trying to teach, which didn't resonate with me anyway. It didn't help that he was recently trying to pander to the anti-game crowd over at puahate. He tried to make it seem like he was on their side, but then they ended up hating on him too.

Yea. He's anti-game. He also seems to be afraid of rejection so he rationalizes not approaching at nightclubs.

Post: #40

He has some interesting night game views that actually have a lot of merit.

http://www.realmademen.com/2011/07/night...agger.html

http://www.realmademen.com/2011/08/what-...woman.html

Post: #41

(07-20-2011 09:45 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Yea. He's anti-game. He also seems to be afraid of rejection so he rationalizes not approaching at nightclubs.

This is one thing that's always made me raise an eyebrow at his blog, even if his advice is generally good and sometimes excellent.

He makes it sound like he has women constantly approaching him and talking about wanting to fuck him after two minutes of talking.

Is he a movie star? Is he a famous athlete? Because those are the only guys I know (oh, and rock stars) that get constantly approached and told within minutes that they can take this girl and fuck her.

Even good-looking guys with tight game only get approached on a semi-regular basis and need a few hours to get the bang.

Post: #42

(08-07-2011 10:28 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  He makes it sound like he has women constantly approaching him and talking about wanting to fuck him after two minutes of talking.

Is he a movie star? Is he a famous athlete? Because those are the only guys I know (oh, and rock stars) that get constantly approached and told within minutes that they can take this girl and fuck her.

Even good-looking guys with tight game only get approached on a semi-regular basis and need a few hours to get the bang.

He's in Columbus, Ohio, so some game and a little style probably goes a long way against the inherently much weaker competition.

Post: #43

"

You know how you'll occasionally turn on the TV and see a college lacrosse game on, and out in the field you'll notice a black guy("Wtf, a brotha on a lax team?")?

Those are the type of guys I'm talking about. They have fewer problems with white girls, even the preppy, upper class ones-they're too well assimilated.

If you are black and you a) aren't encased in a social circle filled with upper-middle class/affleunt non-black guys, b) don't understand the nuances of this culture(it is very different) and c) can't transcend black stereotypes(speak english, listen to broader varieties of music, do well in school), you will fail miserably."

Athlone is past due for me to give grudging and jealous award for best race-class analyses.

+1

Post: #44

Hey guys, I'm relatively new to the forum and glad to be here.

I was hoping someone may be able to guide me to where I can find Assanavoa's ebook, "Chick crack" and the other one he wrote. He took down all of his material I guess a while back and I cant find anything.

I visit his blog frequently: https://realmademen.wordpress.com/

I know some of you may not like his style but his writing just seems to resonate with me and I want to discover more. Does anyone have any of his old e-books that can be uploaded or something?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks guys!