Post: #51

Just wanted to say, that while you may be banned from the pub crawl, its only that. . .a pub crawl. a pub crawl organizer is NOT going to convince a club owner/bouncer to ban you. The club owner would promptly tell him to Fuck off. In reality the dude wouldn't even SPEAK to the club owner, so yeah you're fine on that end. But yeah. . .as others said. . .come to Asia lol.

(I'm laughing as I'm imagining the dude trying to find the owner/bouncer and point at you and them do nothing or give him a "wtfisyourproblem" face and proceed to ignore him and do their jobs.)

Post: #52

As someone who have been in tons of bar crawls, I agree with with CJ_W.

First, most of the time the organizers barely know the club or bar owners, they are just working together. Bar crawls change venues often because they get commissions from drinks sales and some shady bar owners hide the real numbers, on the other side people from the crawl breaks stuff and some owners tell the organizers to GTFO as well.

So I wouldn't really worry about the influence those guys have in top nightlife spots unless they are really HUGE, you say they bring a lot of customers to club, then you said they just got 50 people on a weekend.... I don't know if it is because I have always lived in big cities, but that number seems very low for me to think they have serious influence, the language exchange parties where I'm living brings about the same amount of people on a weekday, I have met part time promoters in their 20s that bring that amount of people to clubs, I don't know if you live in a small town, then it might be different.

I don't understand if you knew the organizers, and you were a regular as you said, why would they throw you and screw the money stream you and your friends give them every weekend just because of what some random tourist that they won't see again?

If I were in your place I would tell your friends to post tons complaints on their pages, because it is a really bad way to handle a situation like that, I have seen tons of conflicts in bars, the majority of times, if there have not been serious physical violence the staff would just separate groups, the fact that they just kick you while letting the girl in, then investigated you and sent you messages like that is completely ridiculous.

I used to like a lot going to pub crawls to find foreign poon, but I got bored of them. Last time I went to one of those events, there was about 100 people, most of them men, and about 10 bar crawl employees were hitting on the few females available. I read your stuff and think about it as kind of the same behavior, but in this case, guy white-knights female to get attention.

You are paying to guys who provide no real value, they don't provide a place, the bar owner does, they usually don't take you to the good spots, they aren't even providing females (the reason I guess most guys pay), and if you think it can't be worst, they aren't even providing a decent customer service. Fuck them.

Post: #53

Check him.
Don't let him control the situation.
Your avatar is of Don Draper who says "If you don't like what's being said, change the conversation".

Post: #54

(03-18-2016 10:22 AM)Just_Die Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 10:17 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 10:12 AM)Just_Die Wrote:  What happens when you take away nightgame from a man?

He learns daygame.

That's right, street is where no bouncer is the law. I'll even do night street cigarette game. I'll bring a jack and coke in a bottle, save a ton of money. Ain't all bad. But fuck.

I regret nothing and never will though.

My view is that almost no niche seems to be safe anymore. Become a yoga teacher: school kicks you out the second some girl complains. Street and online game seems to be the only real safe thing.

You have a great attitude man.

Post: #55

Pub crawls I have been on in the past remind me of a night out being watched by teachers (the organisers) if they decide they don't like something (you picking up) then its too easy to get in the way and block you. I wouldn't trust the organisers at all even if they seem friendly unless you have known them out of the scene and are sure.

Post: #56

(03-18-2016 11:11 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  *Not 100% serious here, but not 100% not serious either*

Is there online reviews on Yelp/Trip Adviser/etc. for his pub crawl?

Go to UpWork/Fiverr and find some people with fake female profiles from near your area. Write a few reviews accusing the guy of trying to put one of their friends in his car and take her home while she was falling down drunk.

Then screenshot the reviews and send them to the Tumblr/SJW retards in your area pretending to be one of the girls friends and get the bloggers worked up into a frenzy about the "pro rape" pub crawl that is put on to get young girls drunk and take advantage of them.

Post the review screenshots all over local Facebook groups from a fake female profile you buy off Fiverr or somewhere. Send them to his girlfriend and to his mom. If he has a day job send them to his boss.

Post the phone number to his boss publicly/give it to the bloggers to post publicly so people can call and let them know they have a "potential rapist" working for them. Send them to his clients/co-workers.

Put up a website JohnDoeIsAPonentialRapist.com linking to his social media profiles and then send it to all of his Facebook friends and family.

******THIS MAY ALL BE ILLEGAL******* and a lot of work.

It may be best to move on, but I wanted to test out my new found SJW tactics. I think I could ruin an innocent mans life pretty quickly, get them divorced, and maybe even throwin into jail.

Fuckin black belt level achieved lol.

Post: #57

You should take this as an opportunity to find other ways to go out and meet people, the people running these pub crawls usually treat the people like students and they make the rules up. Half the time the pub crawls are a scam going to empty bars hired out for the pub crawl rather than being taken to a a real pub with real local people and then they usually end up in some nightclub that hosts all of the pub crawls in the city which usually means lots of guys and not many women.

The better idea would be to just goto the bars/club they end up at in the end, I doubt the guys have any real power or influence over anyone to get people kicked out for no reason, if they do get you kicked out then so be it, at least then you will know where to avoid in the future. The owner of the bar crawl sounds like a complete petty white knight and your doing yourself a favour avoiding these types of people anyway.

Post: #58

This guy should have little influence over whether you can get into clubs on your own, separately. To a certain extent, while the situations sucks for you, it's increasingly the world we live in and I'd just brush it off. There's plenty of other opportunity out there without needing this crawl.

You could however play his game and throw it right back at him. Have a girl you know accuse him of sexual harassment. Doesn't have to be much, grabbed her ass, suggestive comments, feeling uncomfortable by his advances, among other ideas. Have her send an anonymous email to the owner of the crawl. Or have her contact the clubs frequented on the crawl and say this guy is sexually harassing some of the girls he's bringing in their clubs, making them feel quite uncomfortable.

Up to you. I'd usually say just move on but increasingly I ask myself, "what would Trump do?". He'd go for revenge. And this current climate makes revenge quite easy.

Post: #59

So what? You got banned from a bar crawl. What kind of quality will you find there anyway? Is this the only place where you can meet women?

Get out and find other venues to meet women, and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Post: #60

(03-18-2016 10:35 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 10:25 AM)Suits Wrote:  Or come join me in Asia.

I'd take you up on that offer. Going to be in SZ for a few months. We should see about meeting up and staring deeply into each others eyes and talking about life and our future together.

Oh... yea.... "no homo" or something

No, no, no. You're all confused. I'm in Beijing, Fortis is Shenzhen.

And trust me, he's the guy you want to be staring deeply into the eyes of.

No homo.

Post: #61

Great input. I just wanted to circle back to give color on what I've decided and respond to some of the comments.

(03-18-2016 01:25 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  It was a mistake to think you were tight with that organiser in the first place.

Not only did you game chicks he was after and could have fucked himself but he had to deal with a stuck up girl with an attitude and from past experience alone, he would have just found it easier to throw you under the bus.

He couldn't have a real game going with his business if 1 guy was seen as a threat. He would have told her to go fuck herself unless he wanted an excuse to be rid of you in the first place. More pussy for him is the way he see's it and men like that are the opposite of friends.

You are but only too right, this is exactly the mistake I made.

(03-18-2016 02:56 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If you visibly pulled girls from this pub crawl, it's likely the organizer held resentment against you. Then he got a bullshit "tip" and that was all he needed to do what he always wanted to do.

A guy would start a pub crawl or be a promoter because he wants more women. Then he sees a guy getting more than him? Jealousy kicks in.

Absolutely. This opens up a whole can of worms as to where a man should invest his time to pick up chicks. Unless it's almost entirely independent of organization or he is the undisputed leader of the project (whatever it may be: yoga school, etc), than it's risky. It's still risky given that a SJW or 'sexual harassment' allegation can and will put a swift end to any project.

(03-18-2016 01:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Predicted these turn of events last year, didn't think it would occur so soon though:

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Quote:For single young guys they are looking at a steep wall to climb. I wouldn't want to be a single young man at 18 today unless I was very photogenic for online game. For the other 95% of men, mass cold approaching won't be effective nor will most bar game unless he is willing to spend an ungodly amount of time mastering the cold approach against technology that is increasingly alienating people into virtual worlds. He's basically forced into social circle game to get above-average women which places him at the mercy of his SJW friends in school. He's fucked to try and do things like we once did, approach chicks at bars, clubs, or streets non-stop. Doing that in the future will probably just get you recorded by some dude's night vision smartphone then uploaded to facebook for people to blacklist you from other bars. The cockblocks will be virtual but they will still be real. All of this is a function of decreasing amounts of young women being pursued by an ever larger single-male demographic.

You have been virtually cockblocked. Conform to the feminist system or face celibacy, shitlord.

That paragraph is prophetic.

If I am honest with myself, year-to-date 14 of the 15 or so chicks I’ve fucked have been through online and apps: Tinder, PoF, OKC, Happn, Bumble and so on.

Given how many hours I have spent doing nightgame this year, the yield has been terribly low (1 chick, although it is winter here now). In all honesty, and Roosh spoke about this not too long ago, the trend is heavily moving to online. Day game is even lower yield: the lack of filtering hurts it badly, much time is wasted looking for and talking to low potential targets (she’s got a bf, she’s busy, you’re not her type, she’s too shy to talk to strangers, etc).

CAVEAT: From my experience, this isn’t true for other parts of the world. Asia and Latin America (haven’t done Eastern Europe recently) have yielded considerably better results in night/day game.

CAVEAT: For those new to the game, I would not skip on day game or night game. If nothing else they build character and exposing yourself to the reality that is the modern woman is important in order to get experience if you have little of it.

I need to be honest with my strengths and weaknesses:

• I am very proud and have a total take no shit attitude which makes me very prickly in alcohol fueled night venues packed with entitled bitches and white knights.
• I will not schmooze or network with the bar staff, or attempt to make connections for the sake of indirect pussy or social proof.
• My clown game can be good but depends a lot on my mood. However I see no point in putting effort in entertaining cockblocks.
• I come off and look like a give no fucks asshole and I love it. Almost anyone can tell what I came to the bar for and they can smell the sexual threat a mile away.
• Given my Eastern European background, I am a confirmed binge drinker and when I hit the booze, I hit it hard. No use giving me advice on this, it is what it is.
• Though I am not very massive or cut, I’m tall, good looking and I dress sharp.
• I quickly and effectively identify DTF chicks. I can literally predict when a girl is looking to go home with someone that night, and I do my best to make sure it’s me
  
  

All this to say the following conclusions:

• The return on day and night game have been weak compared to my online game, true it’s off-season but spending hours and money on the CHANCE you will get laid can get frustrating when you have a bad streak especially
• More and more sluts are going on Tinder to get their cock fix. Tinder has become the most liquid sex market. You get what you deserve more or less.
• I won’t lie, I prefer pulling from night/day game but I bet you that feeling is related to the risk involved of not getting shit, making success feel that much better.
• The ratios are getting bad, the bitches are increasingly going online, the thirst level is increasing, the female entitlement is increasing, cockblocking is high, dealing with bouncers and white knights is tiring and the money being spent is increasing. It’s worth reconsidering low-yielding game time that can be used more productively elsewhere.
• Stack money & lift seems like a better investment of time given the yield in North America. An Instagram account that shows off your lifestyle is probably a project worth considering which involves no middleman.
• I’ll still go out with friends sometimes but it won’t be with the goal to pickup. If I connect with a bitch that eyefucks me or some drunk girls throws pussy at me than okay, but I’m no longer relying on it for the pipeline unless I'm abroad.
• Pussy pipelines that involve specific middlemen are always at risk. SJWs, feminists, white knights and competing men can and will throw you under the bus if your success is obvious.
  

 


 
Going out to game in North America increasingly feels like a waste of time

Post: #62

Also as a side note: as a man ages, day game and night game become less appealing anyway and other avenues should be undertaken.