Post: #26

Kind of off topic, but I wonder how the Soviet Union would have faired in the Cold War if so many of their men were not killed in World War 2. That surely had a huge impact on their economy decades later.

Post: #27

In order to have a proper discussion about this, we need some vintage authentic examples of the exact things the soviets used to say during the cold war

Post: #28

I'd say that America was pretty capitalistic in the early years. Little cronyism, small government, no income tax and unequalled opportunity for the common man. Since then socialism has taken hold in a slow but steady process. Most of the faults of modern day US and Europe can be blamed on socialism in one form or another.

Post: #29

I don't think the financial-democracies led by the US and UK are capitalist in the proper sense of the word as financial success in these nations is mostly unproductive in nature i.e. extracting usury and inflating property prices without upgrading buildings through improvement works.

I think every study should start with a bottom line before working our way up to find the answers.

The bottom line is: US/ UK v Eastern Europe.

During the last 50-70 years how has traditional society been transformed in the financial-democracies compared to Eastern Europe which spent roughly the same period of time behind the Iron Curtain?

The effects of the bottom line have been so severe on the traditional populations of the financial-democracies that they risk being completely replaced during the next few generations.

Post: #30

(11-20-2015 07:55 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  In order to have a proper discussion about this, we need some vintage authentic examples of the exact things the soviets used to say during the cold war

Could somebody please translate the captions on these images?

Post: #31

(11-20-2015 05:59 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Fair enough Hong Kong is the main other example I can think of. Pure capitalism was never and currently isn't a thing unless you count the black market.

Well, it could be argued Hong Kong (and especially Singapore) have been so successful partly due to their geographic location.

(11-20-2015 02:16 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  Capitalism itself isn't the problem. The problem is corporatism, manipulation and outright theivery by the bankers and wall street. Multinational corporations have way too much power over the western world.

Mate, that's not what corporatism means...

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Post: #32

I think the Soviet propaganda is wrong about western capitalism. It's giving women the right to vote and work that was to blame.

The problem with communism is that it lacks identity. Every man needs to feel like they have an identity of their own making. That they can be whatever they want and as successful as they want.

If you're not allowed to rise above the others and be the best you can be then it kind of stunts one's masculinity.

That's one of the reasons why communism is feminine and capitalism is masculine.

Post: #33

(11-19-2015 10:43 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  It's interesting though, that the Soviets critiques weren't completely inaccurate, and that its possible that the Soviet control of Eastern Europe may lead to their survival

Minus, of course, the millions of Ukrainians and Polish that starved to death under the Soviet regime. But as Stalin said, that's just a statistic.

Post: #34

(11-21-2015 06:47 AM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  Could somebody please translate the captions on these images?

Top left: freedom of the press
Bottom left: freedom of expression (guy holding a prison sentence)
Top right: personal liberty
Bottom right: freedom of assembly

FREEDOM AMERICAN-STYLE




The Middle East (in yellow)
Here they are, draining oil and blood again.



On the map: Crimea, Black Sea
On monocular: provocation


Paper wrapped around the rifle: North-Atlantic Treaty
The peoples/nations of the world don't want a repetition of the scourge of war. - J. Stalin

Post: #35

Quote:Soviet propaganda poster “Freedom, American style”, from the year 1950, by Nikolay Dolgorukov and Boris Efimov.

Freedom of the press is depicted as William Randolph Hearst spreading lies;

Freedom of thought is depicted as judge giving a verdict for communist beliefs;

Personal freedom is depicted as the lynching of an African American by members of the Ku Klux Klan;

Freedom of assembly is depicted as Riot control.

A policeman (looking like a caricature of J. Edgar Hoover) (head of the FBI) stands on the shoulders of the Statue of Liberty wielding a billy-club and holding handcuffs.

Statue of Liberty’s lips are sealed with a padlock labeled “$”. (money)

The skyscraper in the background is labelled, “Wall Street”.

Post: #36

(11-20-2015 07:05 PM)Repo Wrote:  Kind of off topic, but I wonder how the Soviet Union would have faired in the Cold War if so many of their men were not killed in World War 2. That surely had a huge impact on their economy decades later.

30 million Russians killed (many of them men) during WW2. Millions more Eastern Europeans killed in the Holodomor and Stalin's purges.

The archetypical Russian woman stereotype wouldn't exist if the male-female ratios were balanced. If those horrors didn't occur, Russian women would be more like western women.