Post: #26

There's certain bliss in knowing redpill truths.
I used to go through anger phase but now the truths are integrated rock solid in the psyche and I wonder how did I ever have the bluepill beliefs. I don't believe people can unswallow the redpill.
It's amazing when you see how women really are, how the world is, know that the world is against you and hates you just for being a man, yet you still stand there in a calm bliss. Because that's what men have always done.

Post: #27

Was wondering on the issue of ritual sacrifices and their origin as well as how every cultural manifestation of man has featured it in one way or another.
If rituals are mystified empty motions that remain of what was once a practical application of knowledge. Then what was the case with sacrifices of fellow humans, animals and possessions?

In the case of the first two I would suppose that there was the fact that a freshly killed body or its parts would provide a lot of nutrients to the soil if not eaten or with what was discarded to the ground...

What are you deep riders' reflections on this?

Post: #28

@El_Gostro

It is possible that question is too deep for the internet, or else maybe you should sacrifice a human being, start a thread called "The Deep Deep Deep Lounge," and just see what happens.

Datasheet requested.

Post: #29

(12-28-2015 02:27 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I took some MDMA and acid with a friend and we sat outside in the park for the night. The basis of the discussion was how can a person truly accept that their is no meaning to our lives. Each person hopefully finds a way to give their life meaning but the reality is that their is no meaning. Many people accept the meaning that other people give them and take that to be their meaning: advertisements/shopping, religion, political issues.

This is the true meaning of life. There is no meaning...

This cold, hard, bitter truth is what most people absolutely can not face.

Religion, drugs, drink, compulsive hobbies, obsessions, endless travel etc all to escape facing that stark reality.

If you can face and accept it, a sublime life can be yours.

Enlightenment.

Post: #30

I'm beginning to wonder if people cling to religion or go to religion because they want a "way to live" a rule book of how they should live (I'm mainly referring to Christianity here, I don't know much about the other religions beyond some Eastern Buddhism)

I look at my mom, who at the age of 60 became a full-blown Christian, she's super devoted. Visited Israel last year and got baptized in the dead sea. She has a lot of enthusiasm, which I admire but I wonder if religion is her way to deal with her own fucked up life. No husband, single, 2 sons she doesn't see too often and myself (I live with her) she's had 3 husbands and every single one failed.

She wants the answers and went the easiest route to get them, via Christianity.

Whereas, I would consider the "hard way" to be a lot of self-reflection and finding one's self through experience. Which even at the age of 60, she hasn't done. She may be old, but is still childish.

I also look at my brother who sort of needs the direction in his life, he needs a reason and wants to be told what to do he doesn't want to reflect deeply about his life, challenge himself and come out with answers that only pertain to him.

I've told him, that if you want answers you need to start with classic literature.

And yes, I know The Bible is one of the oldest books.

Ironically, as a Christian, he hasn't even read The Bible.

Instead he goes to church to be told how to be a Christian.

To me, this seems like a lack of creativity in one's own life. I'm not saying religion is bad, I am saying you shouldn't use religion as a crutch for your own laziness.

Earlier tonight, I was having a discussion with my mom and she told me

"Eastern philosophy is garbage, it's all trash"

I looked at her and said why do you say that?

"It's all based on doing, you do good deeds and karma comes and helps you out"

Now, I know even with my limited knowledge of Buddhism that this isn't entirely true.

So I asked her,

"How do you know that?"

Of course, she came back with

"I just know okay?"

So I replied with

"How can you judge another religion when you know maybe 1% about it?"

She said

"I don't have to know much about another religion, I know the foundation and that's good enough (I doubt she even knows the foundation to be honest)."

Then I said this,

"If you had an atheist in the room with you right now and they said Christianity is bullshit it's about some guy named Jesus who died and now we have to worship him. Clearly, this atheist knows nothing about actual Christianity..right? He thinks he knows what it is, but he knows nothing. So how can you say Eastern philosophy is garbage if you know nothing about it? How can you judge it, in fact why judge it in the first place? Your judgements are based on what you think the philosophies are, you never sat down and read The Tripitaka? No you haven't and for you to place criticism is the same as an atheist telling you that Christianity is garbage even though he's never actually read The Bible or took time to understand it."

After I said this, she got all defensive and told me that it's not the same and tried to rationalize her own lack of knowledge.

I don't understand why religious people (again I'm using Christians as an example because thats what I'm familiar with) think they know everything and act like they are better than all of the other religions. I don't understand that line of thinking, I think personally that all of the religions have merit and you can learn from each.

I even brought up to my mom about a Greek God called Dionysus who shares many similarities as that of Jesus, even rising from the dead.

She just said that's stupid and not correct.

I even tried to say to her,

"Isn't that atleast somewhat interesting? That Dionysus shares traits of Jesus and he was way before his time?"

She said

"Not really."

Why does religion blind some people, to the point they cannot see anything beyond their own religion and reject anything that doesn't fall into it's circumstances. Isn't that very definition, of shutting yourself from the world a form of death? You aren't growing if you only allow one thing to influence you.

These are just some interesting thoughts that came up after the debate with my mom. I tried sleeping and waking up tomorrow to write this but I felt I should do it now while everything is fresh.

What are your thoughts?

Post: #31

(02-03-2018 03:55 AM)the1element Wrote:  I'm beginning to wonder if people cling to religion or go to religion because they want a "way to live" a rule book of how they should live (I'm mainly referring to Christianity here, I don't know much about the other religions beyond some Eastern Buddhism)

I look at my mom, who at the age of 60 became a full-blown Christian, she's super devoted. Visited Israel last year and got baptized in the dead sea. She has a lot of enthusiasm, which I admire but I wonder if religion is her way to deal with her own fucked up life. No husband, single, 2 sons she doesn't see too often and myself (I live with her) she's had 3 husbands and every single one failed.

She wants the answers and went the easiest route to get them, via Christianity.

Whereas, I would consider the "hard way" to be a lot of self-reflection and finding one's self through experience. Which even at the age of 60, she hasn't done. She may be old, but is still childish.

I also look at my brother who sort of needs the direction in his life, he needs a reason and wants to be told what to do he doesn't want to reflect deeply about his life, challenge himself and come out with answers that only pertain to him.

I've told him, that if you want answers you need to start with classic literature.

And yes, I know The Bible is one of the oldest books.

Ironically, as a Christian, he hasn't even read The Bible.

Instead he goes to church to be told how to be a Christian.

To me, this seems like a lack of creativity in one's own life. I'm not saying religion is bad, I am saying you shouldn't use religion as a crutch for your own laziness.

Earlier tonight, I was having a discussion with my mom and she told me

"Eastern philosophy is garbage, it's all trash"

I looked at her and said why do you say that?

"It's all based on doing, you do good deeds and karma comes and helps you out"

Now, I know even with my limited knowledge of Buddhism that this isn't entirely true.

So I asked her,

"How do you know that?"

Of course, she came back with

"I just know okay?"

So I replied with

"How can you judge another religion when you know maybe 1% about it?"

She said

"I don't have to know much about another religion, I know the foundation and that's good enough (I doubt she even knows the foundation to be honest)."

Then I said this,

"If you had an atheist in the room with you right now and they said Christianity is bullshit it's about some guy named Jesus who died and now we have to worship him. Clearly, this atheist knows nothing about actual Christianity..right? He thinks he knows what it is, but he knows nothing. So how can you say Eastern philosophy is garbage if you know nothing about it? How can you judge it, in fact why judge it in the first place? Your judgements are based on what you think the philosophies are, you never sat down and read The Tripitaka? No you haven't and for you to place criticism is the same as an atheist telling you that Christianity is garbage even though he's never actually read The Bible or took time to understand it."

After I said this, she got all defensive and told me that it's not the same and tried to rationalize her own lack of knowledge.

I don't understand why religious people (again I'm using Christians as an example because thats what I'm familiar with) think they know everything and act like they are better than all of the other religions. I don't understand that line of thinking, I think personally that all of the religions have merit and you can learn from each.

I even brought up to my mom about a Greek God called Dionysus who shares many similarities as that of Jesus, even rising from the dead.

She just said that's stupid and not correct.

I even tried to say to her,

"Isn't that atleast somewhat interesting? That Dionysus shares traits of Jesus and he was way before his time?"

She said

"Not really."

Why does religion blind some people, to the point they cannot see anything beyond their own religion and reject anything that doesn't fall into it's circumstances. Isn't that very definition, of shutting yourself from the world a form of death? You aren't growing if you only allow one thing to influence you.

These are just some interesting thoughts that came up after the debate with my mom. I tried sleeping and waking up tomorrow to write this but I felt I should do it now while everything is fresh.

What are your thoughts?

My one opinion, in summary, is that her identity was free for all those years not having "a purpose to believe in" and by believing in christianity hook, line & sinker she has now focused with the force of a 1,000 suns all that energy into her "movie" of what christianity is, to her. A movie she WANTS/NEEDS to have a happy storyline and ending to.

You coming along and making her THINK about it and QUESTION things tripped her up and her defenses came to the rescue of her poor triggered amygdala. Same shit happened to my mom, who along with my father raised me Catholic( the punitive/shame religion as I call it). To them it's all do as your told, and to question it, even if to ask why this or why that is completely foreign to them.
An automaton never questions the process, it just processes.

Post: #32

That is just a normal conversation with mom, any mom, Christian or not.

Post: #33

Quote:I also look at my brother who sort of needs the direction in his life, he needs a reason and wants to be told what to do he doesn't want to reflect deeply about his life, challenge himself and come out with answers that only pertain to him.

I've told him, that if you want answers you need to start with classic literature.

And yes, I know The Bible is one of the oldest books.

Ironically, as a Christian, he hasn't even read The Bible.

Instead he goes to church to be told how to be a Christian.

Why would answers that "only pertain to him" be found in classic literature? Doesn't the term "classic" more or less contradict that idea?

Additionally, isn't most of what you yourself do based on what you're told? Have you studied nutrition, exercise science, culinary arts, philosophy, political science, religion, etc? If so, do you think that you came to your conclusions independently, as some atomistic individual?

Post: #34

Jay Dyer is a danklord:

Post: #35

(02-03-2018 03:55 AM)the1element Wrote:  I'm beginning to wonder if people cling to religion or go to religion because they want a "way to live" a rule book of how they should live (I'm mainly referring to Christianity here, I don't know much about the other religions beyond some Eastern Buddhism)

I look at my mom, who at the age of 60 became a full-blown Christian, she's super devoted. Visited Israel last year and got baptized in the dead sea. She has a lot of enthusiasm, which I admire but I wonder if religion is her way to deal with her own fucked up life. No husband, single, 2 sons she doesn't see too often and myself (I live with her) she's had 3 husbands and every single one failed.

She wants the answers and went the easiest route to get them, via Christianity.

Whereas, I would consider the "hard way" to be a lot of self-reflection and finding one's self through experience. Which even at the age of 60, she hasn't done. She may be old, but is still childish.

I also look at my brother who sort of needs the direction in his life, he needs a reason and wants to be told what to do he doesn't want to reflect deeply about his life, challenge himself and come out with answers that only pertain to him.

I've told him, that if you want answers you need to start with classic literature.

And yes, I know The Bible is one of the oldest books.

Ironically, as a Christian, he hasn't even read The Bible.

Instead he goes to church to be told how to be a Christian.

To me, this seems like a lack of creativity in one's own life. I'm not saying religion is bad, I am saying you shouldn't use religion as a crutch for your own laziness.

Earlier tonight, I was having a discussion with my mom and she told me

"Eastern philosophy is garbage, it's all trash"

I looked at her and said why do you say that?

"It's all based on doing, you do good deeds and karma comes and helps you out"

Now, I know even with my limited knowledge of Buddhism that this isn't entirely true.

So I asked her,

"How do you know that?"

Of course, she came back with

"I just know okay?"

So I replied with

"How can you judge another religion when you know maybe 1% about it?"

She said

"I don't have to know much about another religion, I know the foundation and that's good enough (I doubt she even knows the foundation to be honest)."

Then I said this,

"If you had an atheist in the room with you right now and they said Christianity is bullshit it's about some guy named Jesus who died and now we have to worship him. Clearly, this atheist knows nothing about actual Christianity..right? He thinks he knows what it is, but he knows nothing. So how can you say Eastern philosophy is garbage if you know nothing about it? How can you judge it, in fact why judge it in the first place? Your judgements are based on what you think the philosophies are, you never sat down and read The Tripitaka? No you haven't and for you to place criticism is the same as an atheist telling you that Christianity is garbage even though he's never actually read The Bible or took time to understand it."

After I said this, she got all defensive and told me that it's not the same and tried to rationalize her own lack of knowledge.

I don't understand why religious people (again I'm using Christians as an example because thats what I'm familiar with) think they know everything and act like they are better than all of the other religions. I don't understand that line of thinking, I think personally that all of the religions have merit and you can learn from each.

I even brought up to my mom about a Greek God called Dionysus who shares many similarities as that of Jesus, even rising from the dead.

She just said that's stupid and not correct.

I even tried to say to her,

"Isn't that atleast somewhat interesting? That Dionysus shares traits of Jesus and he was way before his time?"

She said

"Not really."

Why does religion blind some people, to the point they cannot see anything beyond their own religion and reject anything that doesn't fall into it's circumstances. Isn't that very definition, of shutting yourself from the world a form of death? You aren't growing if you only allow one thing to influence you.

These are just some interesting thoughts that came up after the debate with my mom. I tried sleeping and waking up tomorrow to write this but I felt I should do it now while everything is fresh.

What are your thoughts?

I think your mom is using the philosophy of less is more, especially as she ages. I've experienced this was little things like coming back to the USA and being overwhelmed by the amount of choices that I have in the supermarkets here. Choosing 50 different types of ice cream can be a bit overload.

Whatever makes people happy should be good enough for everybody else. Good for you mom for at least finding something to believe in as she nears the latter part of her life.

Post: #36

(03-15-2018 01:32 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 03:55 AM)the1element Wrote:  I'm beginning to wonder if people cling to religion or go to religion because they want a "way to live" a rule book of how they should live (I'm mainly referring to Christianity here, I don't know much about the other religions beyond some Eastern Buddhism)

I look at my mom, who at the age of 60 became a full-blown Christian, she's super devoted. Visited Israel last year and got baptized in the dead sea. She has a lot of enthusiasm, which I admire but I wonder if religion is her way to deal with her own fucked up life. No husband, single, 2 sons she doesn't see too often and myself (I live with her) she's had 3 husbands and every single one failed.

She wants the answers and went the easiest route to get them, via Christianity.

Whereas, I would consider the "hard way" to be a lot of self-reflection and finding one's self through experience. Which even at the age of 60, she hasn't done. She may be old, but is still childish.

I also look at my brother who sort of needs the direction in his life, he needs a reason and wants to be told what to do he doesn't want to reflect deeply about his life, challenge himself and come out with answers that only pertain to him.

I've told him, that if you want answers you need to start with classic literature.

And yes, I know The Bible is one of the oldest books.

Ironically, as a Christian, he hasn't even read The Bible.

Instead he goes to church to be told how to be a Christian.

To me, this seems like a lack of creativity in one's own life. I'm not saying religion is bad, I am saying you shouldn't use religion as a crutch for your own laziness.

Earlier tonight, I was having a discussion with my mom and she told me

"Eastern philosophy is garbage, it's all trash"

I looked at her and said why do you say that?

"It's all based on doing, you do good deeds and karma comes and helps you out"

Now, I know even with my limited knowledge of Buddhism that this isn't entirely true.

So I asked her,

"How do you know that?"

Of course, she came back with

"I just know okay?"

So I replied with

"How can you judge another religion when you know maybe 1% about it?"

She said

"I don't have to know much about another religion, I know the foundation and that's good enough (I doubt she even knows the foundation to be honest)."

Then I said this,

"If you had an atheist in the room with you right now and they said Christianity is bullshit it's about some guy named Jesus who died and now we have to worship him. Clearly, this atheist knows nothing about actual Christianity..right? He thinks he knows what it is, but he knows nothing. So how can you say Eastern philosophy is garbage if you know nothing about it? How can you judge it, in fact why judge it in the first place? Your judgements are based on what you think the philosophies are, you never sat down and read The Tripitaka? No you haven't and for you to place criticism is the same as an atheist telling you that Christianity is garbage even though he's never actually read The Bible or took time to understand it."

After I said this, she got all defensive and told me that it's not the same and tried to rationalize her own lack of knowledge.

I don't understand why religious people (again I'm using Christians as an example because thats what I'm familiar with) think they know everything and act like they are better than all of the other religions. I don't understand that line of thinking, I think personally that all of the religions have merit and you can learn from each.

I even brought up to my mom about a Greek God called Dionysus who shares many similarities as that of Jesus, even rising from the dead.

She just said that's stupid and not correct.

I even tried to say to her,

"Isn't that atleast somewhat interesting? That Dionysus shares traits of Jesus and he was way before his time?"

She said

"Not really."

Why does religion blind some people, to the point they cannot see anything beyond their own religion and reject anything that doesn't fall into it's circumstances. Isn't that very definition, of shutting yourself from the world a form of death? You aren't growing if you only allow one thing to influence you.

These are just some interesting thoughts that came up after the debate with my mom. I tried sleeping and waking up tomorrow to write this but I felt I should do it now while everything is fresh.

What are your thoughts?

I think your mom is using the philosophy of less is more, especially as she ages. I've experienced this was little things like coming back to the USA and being overwhelmed by the amount of choices that I have in the supermarkets here. Choosing 50 different types of ice cream can be a bit overload.

Whatever makes people happy should be good enough for everybody else. Good for you mom for at least finding something to believe in as she nears the latter part of her life.

I was helping my brother set up an online dating profile a few days ago. It was OKC and they ask you 10,000 questions to match you with whoever. One of the questions was something like, if you found out (for sure) whether or not God exists, would you tell people. I ended up talking to my brother about it, and I said "no, no matter what the answer was". Because, you are essentially depriving people of their faith either way.

That, and this thread, got me thinking about the utility of Christianity, even if one accepts or believes there is no God. Or, to put it more directly - let's say I'm an agnostic, but I recognize that the increasing secularization of the West is destroying it, is it okay for me to evangelize? Is it moral? Is it moral for me to feign belief to inspire others to it? I have met a few Catholic priests who I think may have been agnostic if not atheist. I have also met a number of nonbelieving women who, after they had a kid, wanted to send them to religious school and church (even though the parents didn't believe). So, what's that all about?

Post: #37

Has anyone read Callemans Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of consciousness? Or maybe videos by Xian Lungold?

Post: #38

(04-12-2018 08:26 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  Has anyone read Callemans Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of consciousness? Or maybe videos by Xian Lungold?

Can't say I have.
My subscription expired in 2012.

Post: #39

(04-12-2018 05:27 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  That, and this thread, got me thinking about the utility of Christianity, even if one accepts or believes there is no God. Or, to put it more directly - let's say I'm an agnostic, but I recognize that the increasing secularization of the West is destroying it, is it okay for me to evangelize? Is it moral? Is it moral for me to feign belief to inspire others to it? I have met a few Catholic priests who I think may have been agnostic if not atheist. I have also met a number of nonbelieving women who, after they had a kid, wanted to send them to religious school and church (even though the parents didn't believe). So, what's that all about?

Consider Nassim Taleb's analysis of rationality and, on the way, religion: he believes religion is here primarily to help mankind navigate tail risks, and that the belief in itself is not as important as the purpose that belief serves.

To summarise and do a lot of violence to the full article, which bears a careful read: communities with religious beliefs tend to survive and prosper. Jewish cleanliness rituals are one example of that - plenty of people concede doing things like refusing to eat bloody meat and the like are solid heuristic approaches to hygiene. Survival is the basis of rationality, not logic, and if a belief serves a purpose ensuring survival, its content is not as important. As for belief - in science, belief is binary: either something is right, or it is wrong. In the real, complicated world, belief is an instrument to do something.

Christianity and Christian morals are strong factors in communities that have survived and prospered for a good 2,000 years or so. That's as much a reason to promote them as belief in the supernatural. The answer to the guy who amusingly points out that Mithras and/or Dionysus look a lot like Jesus is to respond: and where are the communities that worshipped them now? Did they hold onto Mithraism or Dionysian bacchals, or did they adopt the more survival-friendly forms of Christianity as they arose?

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #40

4chan gets me sometimes. There's some very intelligent people there, amongst a sea of complete imbeciles. I'm addicted to the 1 in 1000 posts of pure anonymous expression that are worth reading.

Post: #41

If there is something I've come to see from taking the red pill when I turned 30 is how much propaganda get shoved in our face on a daily basis.

I started seeing it in movies, TV, news stations, everywhere and then I saw I was being told what to do my whole life on what I should like and hate.

It's a weird feeling, but it got to me to see that people or organizations aren't not always right about everything, in fact they could be wrong.

It's like the song from Weird Al, "Everything you know is wrong"

Post: #42

Post: #43

Modern civilization is fundamentally blue pill to some degree. There is no such thing as a fully red pill society, only red pill individuals. Because complex societies over time require some kind of blue pill mythology as the glue or sugarcoating to keep them going. Not so much religion in the traditional sense, but more like Disney beliefs.

e.g. Marriage is about finding your soul mate vs a mother for your children). Even in the supposedly red pill East Asian cultures, this idea has existed for decades.

Post: #44

(04-19-2018 11:54 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  4chan gets me sometimes. There's some very intelligent people there, amongst a sea of complete imbeciles. I'm addicted to the 1 in 1000 posts of pure anonymous expression that are worth reading.

leaving aside that the anon is completely right, what struck me was that this is the exact argument - with similar language - made by Hans Hoppe (specially in his last book), and he currently lives in Turkey. now notice the country flag on the posts.

I wonder if he's the anon. would be pretty funny to know Hoppe browses 4chan.

Post: #45

(05-09-2018 05:28 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 11:54 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  4chan gets me sometimes. There's some very intelligent people there, amongst a sea of complete imbeciles. I'm addicted to the 1 in 1000 posts of pure anonymous expression that are worth reading.

leaving aside that the anon is completely right, what struck me was that this is the exact argument - with similar language - made by Hans Hoppe (specially in his last book), and he currently lives in Turkey. now notice the country flag on the posts.

I wonder if he's the anon. would be pretty funny to know Hoppe browses 4chan.

Vox Day has been hammering Jordan Peterson recently because Peterson has writings that clearly say he doesn't think objective truth exists, and he is not a Christian believer.

Peterson appears to promote his teachings as the foundation for a society that works, and uses the social advantages that come from Christian teachings, but in a post-Christian, post-truth world. He advocates moral behavior, the family, and patriarchy because it works, and he wants to see these values generally accepted without any appeals to heaven and the threat of hell.

These posts from 4Chan seem to be pushing a similar explanation. Patriarchy and sexual restrictions should be accepted and observed, not because God said so, but because they are necessary for civilization.

Post: #46

Quote:These posts from 4Chan seem to be pushing a similar explanation. Patriarchy and sexual restrictions should be accepted and observed, not because God said so, but because they are necessary for civilization.

It might be the case, I don't know.

From my point of view, what God commands and what is good for Man is the same, so God and Civilization go hand in hand.

I still think it's important to make these arguments to some people who recoil in horror everytime you base any argument in theology, but can be persuaded via other means. It is possible that through this - by explaining that God's commandments are not just irrelevant, arbitrary notions that may or may not be followed and how they are connected to the real world and have implications - you can bring some people closer to God. I have done this with a friend of mine, who is coming around from atheism/agnosticism into realizing there is a Creator above and outside creation.