Post: #26

(09-18-2015 10:49 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 07:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Liberal Christian Europeans and Islamists don't mix to create a "just right" porridge. Instead one will win and the other will lose, and it appears that population/demographics will be the cause. To dump 1 million Muslims into a Christian country tells you which team the big money is placing its bets on.

If the cycle of profit is to continue:

- Muslim Women need to be trained to become voracious consumers

- Muslim Women need to be encouraged to leave the home for the work place

I don't see Islam being destabilised anywhere near as easily as Christianity. It's a dangerous bet to take, particularly as Big Money relies on the both military and personal protection of strong men.

However - Islam WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROSPER and remain the same.

All Muslim countries will be destroyed one way or the other. They will either accept full money power rule with rampant promiscuity, no family bonds - Brave New World style - or they will be wiped out. Also the real elite does not condone moderate Islam - this is an utter misunderstanding.

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuweit etc. won't be allowed to remain that way. They are being used now, but will be taken down sooner or later either through internal civil war or bombing them to the stone age.

Also the elite has no plans for Europe to become Muslim. They know that those migrants will simply destroy life and living standard for the current Christian majority. That is the goal.

When the time comes, then you will see how quickly real terrorists and Muslim extremists can be dealt with. Obviously they elite is not concerned about them in the least or they would not let them in. Within the next decades you will also see the destruction of the current wealthy Muslim countries. They are like Saddam or Gaddafi who were "valuable partners" of the money elite until they are hung in cellar a few years later by the same guys who shook their hands in friendship.

Post: #27

Zelcorpion, you are incredibly well read and intelligent.

Definitely better read than me, but we've read some similar things, so, we both think along similar lines.


Why do you think that every plan the elite have will come to fruition with no hiccups?

Do you think Hungary retaking its sovereignty by led by the courage of Orban was part of the plan?

Or Putin retaking Russia?

Or Trump?

Do you think it was part of their plan for Utah to emerge with gold as legal tender, paving the way to emerge as a powerful entity when the dollar implodes?

These events in the future haven't happened yet. Maybe the elites plans will go exactly how they expect, but maybe they won't. People are constantly competing for power and wealth, even at the top, and even when they make alliances with each other, sometimes men and women renege.

Don't let staring so long into the abyss consume you. Use the knowledge you have to help accomplish your goals, throw in with the people you believe are right, and we'll let the chips fall where they may.

I don't believe everything is preset. Things can change, for better or worse, and the current elite has it seemingly wrapped up, but the great thing about this earth and humanity is just how often the unexpected happens.


Who knows, the Sauds may realpolitik a homeland for themselves in the end.

Post: #28

My answers within in bold:

(09-21-2015 04:23 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Zelcorpion, you are incredibly well read and intelligent.

Definitely better read than me, but we've read some similar things, so, we both think along similar lines.

Why do you think that every plan the elite have will come to fruition with no hiccups?

Do you think Hungary retaking its sovereignty by led by the courage of Orban was part of the plan? Seems like Orban is a minor hiccup on their side. There are other politicians who don't play 100% along. He has been the strongest opposition in the EU, but I think that he knows the power of the enemy to a degree. When he tried to reform / take control of the Hungarian central bank, the EU was coming down hard on him. He may have even gotten warnings that he would not live long if he went along with it. So he actually seems to be in real opposition and just balanced on the verge of not going too far.

Or Putin retaking Russia? No - I don't think that Putin and Russia are not part of the old fake Capitalism/Communsim dichotomy. You have to realize and check out Antony Sutton's as well as Carroll Quigley's works among others (there are many more signs and books), that communism was money power created for specific goals. They controlled their leaders almost exclusively (through a side arm of the secret service). I doubt that they lost control after the planned "perestroika". Gorbatschew was for example a better servant than Thatcher who later opposed the unification of Europe. What their plans are with Russia I don't know. I hope it's not WW3, but who knows. I think they like to have sides in the world or the peasants find out how little choice they really have - like with the Democrats/Republicans. If it were one party, then there would be rebellions already.

Or Trump? Difficult to say at this moment. He says and does what he wants. He could be an actual rebel. If that is the case, then he certainly won't be allowed to become the Republican nominee - he won't survive that. If he becomes the Republican nominee and you actually have a choice to vote for him, then you can rest assured that he will betray the right as Obama did the left. I would vote for him personally nonetheless, because even if he is a traitor, then his mere presidency would piss off so many feminists and SJWs that I would love to see that just for that sake alone. So - we will see who he is. Either he steps down (threatened), gets killed (unlikely) or he is a candidate of theirs and will be either president or lose to Hillary. We will see what happens - he won't be enough to change our system - this is not a one-man-job unless you are an invulnerable Superman.

Do you think it was part of their plan for Utah to emerge with gold as legal tender, paving the way to emerge as a powerful entity when the dollar implodes? Gold as legal tender is always a choice and can be done additionally, but neither gold or silver are practical options. The real reason simply that the real elite simply own almost all the mines and 98-99% of it, so essentially they would still control it. I have read about plans even by UN economists to introduce a gold-based reserve currency. You can bet your balls on it that if the UN wants it, then it's certainly not grassroots and it won't benefit the bottom 99,9%.

These events in the future haven't happened yet. Maybe the elites plans will go exactly how they expect, but maybe they won't. People are constantly competing for power and wealth, even at the top, and even when they make alliances with each other, sometimes men and women renege.

They do have competition among mid-level players, but not the real top. Their plan is frankly the best I have ever read in known human history of conquering the entire world. That's why Carroll Quigley actually admired them and was all for it. To me they are raving lunatic psychopaths who could even now create a wonderful utopia, but have chosen to forsake that and try to rule it all instead of being satisfied with being fabulously wealthy.

Don't let staring so long into the abyss consume you. Use the knowledge you have to help accomplish your goals, throw in with the people you believe are right, and we'll let the chips fall where they may.

I don't believe everything is preset. Things can change, for better or worse, and the current elite has it seemingly wrapped up, but the great thing about this earth and humanity is just how often the unexpected happens.

Well - yeah - after the initial dark phase you realize that even their empire will fall (most people not even aware that they had an empire). Life can surprise us and it certainly will. I don't see anything major unforeseen happening in the next decades, but who knows beyond that - humanity or something else may change the course of history. Certainly no reason to fret about it.

Post: #29

(09-21-2015 03:44 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 10:49 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 07:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Liberal Christian Europeans and Islamists don't mix to create a "just right" porridge. Instead one will win and the other will lose, and it appears that population/demographics will be the cause. To dump 1 million Muslims into a Christian country tells you which team the big money is placing its bets on.

If the cycle of profit is to continue:

- Muslim Women need to be trained to become voracious consumers

- Muslim Women need to be encouraged to leave the home for the work place

I don't see Islam being destabilised anywhere near as easily as Christianity. It's a dangerous bet to take, particularly as Big Money relies on the both military and personal protection of strong men.

However - Islam WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROSPER and remain the same.

All Muslim countries will be destroyed one way or the other. They will either accept full money power rule with rampant promiscuity, no family bonds - Brave New World style - or they will be wiped out. Also the real elite does not condone moderate Islam - this is an utter misunderstanding.

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuweit etc. won't be allowed to remain that way. They are being used now, but will be taken down sooner or later either through internal civil war or bombing them to the stone age.

Also the elite has no plans for Europe to become Muslim. They know that those migrants will simply destroy life and living standard for the current Christian majority. That is the goal.

When the time comes, then you will see how quickly real terrorists and Muslim extremists can be dealt with. Obviously they elite is not concerned about them in the least or they would not let them in. Within the next decades you will also see the destruction of the current wealthy Muslim countries. They are like Saddam or Gaddafi who were "valuable partners" of the money elite until they are hung in cellar a few years later by the same guys who shook their hands in friendship.

Bolded part written by Roosh led me to do a few hours of search looking for answers and finally Zelcorpion helps me understand the bigger picture. Well deserved rep point to Zelcorpion.

Post: #30

More SJW propaganda from our friends at Buzzfeed to make Muslims appear cuddly (WB the black lady).





A Muslim guy tears them a new arsehole for not being honest about being a Muslim e.g. one of the women says she likes to date, that’s not allowed in Islam:

https://www.facebook.com/alidawah121/vid...nref=story

Years ago I told my Muslim friends in UK that if they ever did move to an Islamic fundamentalist state they would come back running to the UK as soon as they could.

Post: #31

(09-23-2015 02:29 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  More SJW propaganda from our friends at Buzzfeed to make Muslims appear cuddly (WB the black lady).




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Years ago I told my Muslim friends in UK that if they ever did move to an Islamic fundamentalist state they would come back running to the UK as soon as they could.

I have no doubt that of course most Muslims would prefer to live in peace and depending on their leanings also let others live. But the examples shown in the video are Western educated liberal Muslims.

The problem with Islam is the Quran and the fact that it is a war bible. Essentially you have a system that is rather negative and was written by a general for the purpose of conquest. Christianity was founded by a saint and so was Buddhism. Of course you can twist anything to an evil end, but when the beginning is not positive, you would have to twist the negative to a positive which is much harder.

That is why many Muslims don't like to live in strict fundamentalist countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

And yes - I think that given time it's possible that the Muslim people of the earth found a balance and created moderate Islam - as long as they were rebuffed by anyone else from conquering the neighboring states.

But the elite is not interested in that either as I have said. They correctly realized in the 1970s probably that Islam left to it's own devices would become like some eternal 1950s USA:
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It would take forever for feminism and rampant promiscuity to destroy their mentalities - not decades like in the West, but maybe centuries.

So my take is that they changed course and fostered fundamentalism:





It's possible that Khomeini was an MI6 asset - he barely spoke Parsi. You also have to realize that elite is obsessed about wiping out potential risks or competitors. That's partly why WWI and WWII was fought - they had to obliterate Germany, since the Germans did everything better than the British - highly disciplined, more population, better education, better administration etc.
Iran was for example one such case of a country that still had the remaining Persian mentality, more interest in science, more discipline, more mercurial. You can even see it with their migrants - many going into STEM, are MDs or businessmen.

Aside from Iran they sent in Kissenger and Brzezinski to get that party started. It was not just to oppose the old Soviets. It was part of a bigger plan:



And of course the Muslim world fell for it, since the more violent minority also aided by negative texts in the Quran started to dominate the peaceful majority. In return a fast destruction of those countries could be undertaken.

Most countries aside from the puppet oil states are to remain in constant turmoil with tens of millions of refugees to come to the West. What remains later on is for the gulf states to be taken out.

If you have studied the elite then you know that they won't leave you with your own private fiefdom that you rule as you wish. No - they want it all. Otherwise they would have let Gaddafi or Assad or even Saddam rule in peace. Of course it's also about money, but it's more about the long-term goals of world domination. All the countries have to go. After Iran is gone, then will come the time for Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Kuwait.

Thanks @Lothario - I try things to put across with the information I've assessed. They call it "open conspiracy" anyway in those circles, because it's not difficult to find it. But of course you are then left with the choice of whether to further believe in the mainstream or to take a different point of view. Based on what makes more sense and is replicated with what I see happening in the world I then decide on a case by case basis.

Post: #32

(09-18-2015 07:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The men's rights guys said to allow homosexual marriage so the plight of straight men can be seen, but it is obvious that will not take place, because homosexual marriage was ushered in as a tool to destroy straight marriage.

Islam in Europe is meant as a tool to destroy Christian Europe. Islam will be practiced in patriarchal form under their own Sharia law while natives will be marginalized, live in fear, and suffer relative population decline while their own countries decline as well.

http://www.rooshv.com/cultural-collapse-theory

Liberal Christian Europeans and Islamists don't mix to create a "just right" porridge. Instead one will win and the other will lose, and it appears that population/demographics will be the cause. To dump 1 million Muslims into a Christian country tells you which team the big money is placing its bets on.

Roosh Your cultural collapse article was written more then a year and pretty point on, comments on the blog site after the article are very informative too.

In the comments You recommended a young man to move to a conservative society to save one self from the cultural collapse which is what I am contemplating for the sake of my children. If I am extracting the information right from your post above that means I should bet on Islam rising in Europe and listening to Zelcorpian it seems like next big incident will be Islam having a bigger clash with Christianity and Judaism in Europe and Middle East, seems like no place will be spared when it is all said and done. Quite a doom and gloom picture.

I know I am thinking too much which can take the pleasure away from life but I worry about my kids and want them to grow in a better, truthful and peaceful place, I know I am asking for Utopia. Any insights do let me know. Thanks.

(09-23-2015 03:12 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And of course the Muslim world fell for it, since the more violent minority also aided by negative texts in the Quran started to dominate the peaceful majority. In return a fast destruction of those countries could be undertaken.

Most countries aside from the puppet oil states are to remain in constant turmoil with tens of millions of refugees to come to the West. What remains later on is for the gulf states to be taken out.

If you have studied the elite then you know that they won't leave you with your own private fiefdom that you rule as you wish. No - they want it all. Otherwise they would have let Gaddafi or Assad or even Saddam rule in peace. Of course it's also about money, but it's more about the long-term goals of world domination. All the countries have to go. After Iran is gone, then will come the time for Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Kuwait.

Thanks @Lothario - I try things to put across with the information I've assessed. They call it "open conspiracy" anyway in those circles, because it's not difficult to find it. But of course you are then left with the choice of whether to further believe in the mainstream or to take a different point of view. Based on what makes more sense and is replicated with what I see happening in the world I then decide on a case by case basis.

In that pic of Osama with Brzezinski, looks like he is in Pakistani Military Uniform, mind boggling stuff not nothing seems impossible now.

Zelcorpion you have a great grasp of International Politics, you should write a book or two if you have not done it already. I tried searching couldn't find one by you.