(08-11-2016 03:12 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  ^^^

It will be a complete disaster if Germany puts in "equality" type politicians who are also muslim as well as staffs law enforcement with muslims who are wholely sympathetic to these communities. I see that as being the next step and it will essentially be Germany self colonizing itself with an alien police force and government.

The only answer at that point will end up with lots of blood running in the streets.

I sometimes feel like I'm flogging a dead horse, but blood on the streets is a mathematical certainty at this point. Either the muslims will eventually trigger a war or the right wing topples the left and civilisation disappears under a tidal wave of bad debt come due.

Abandon hope of a happy ending in your lifetime. It's actually quite liberating and more importantly it helps you get motivated to get your shit in order.

(08-11-2016 05:19 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I sometimes feel like I'm flogging a dead horse, but blood on the streets is a mathematical certainty at this point. Either the muslims will eventually trigger a war or the right wing topples the left and civilisation disappears under a tidal wave of bad debt come due.

Abandon hope of a happy ending in your lifetime. It's actually quite liberating and more importantly it helps you get motivated to get your shit in order.

I repeat again the quote by Albert Pike from the 1870s. He was correct decades in advance and we know that the Big Boys plan 50-300 years in advance with minor or some medium twists to the timeline and agenda points:

WW2 - 70 years before it happening:



WW3 - prelude started with 9/11 with preparations made in the 1970s as they shifted gears for the Islamic world - instead of supporting modernization & secularization they started supporting radicalization (it's easy enough with Islam since it is radical by default):



So who is to say that he is wrong with the next prediction?

It certainly looks like he will be proven right. Whether the true elite is secretely Luciferian is hard to tell - if you judge them by the MTV, Hollywood and grand events symbolism, then it looks like that. Personally I think that even if they are Luciferian, then most of them are in it because the ceremonies and rituals let you fuck and kill everyone as part of your religion and it is more fun for them to have no morals and restraints at the top.

Either way they will be in charge in the end and I don't see how this plan can be stopped unless something unforeseen happens or their house of cards has finally toppled. It will topple of course sooner or later, but we might have to experience their full dictatorship for a while before it collapses. You cannot have a government rule via pure evil and total control - that will never work with the rebellious humans. Also there is likely a positive divine force permeating the universe and it has something to say in the mix as well.

(08-11-2016 05:32 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  So who is to say that he is wrong with the next prediction?

It certainly looks like he will be proven right. Whether the true elite is secretely Luciferian is hard to tell - if you judge them by the MTV, Hollywood and grand events symbolism, then it looks like that. Personally I think that even if they are Luciferian, then most of them are in it because the ceremonies and rituals let you fuck and kill everyone as part of your religion and it is more fun for them to have no morals and restraints at the top.

Either way they will be in charge in the end and I don't see how this plan can be stopped unless something unforeseen happens or their house of cards has finally toppled. It will topple of course sooner or later, but we might have to experience their full dictatorship for a while before it collapses. You cannot have a government rule via pure evil and total control - that will never work with the rebellious humans. Also there is likely a positive divine force permeating the universe and it has something to say in the mix as well.

Looks like a few hundred years of dark ages again. Lets enjoy the last decades of civilization as we know it.

(08-11-2016 05:35 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Looks like a few hundred years of dark ages again. Lets enjoy the last decades of civilization as we know it.

The world was always going down, where are the news?
Let's see it from a different point. In western countries people live in a wealth never known before. In Africa and South east asia people live longer then ever. The capitalist opening of China did push out more people out of poverty then any other system before. We can connect via the internet, its easy to travel all over the world. You can start your own business more easy then ever. You can bang girls from all over the world. You can meet like minded people online or real. You have access to unbelievable knowledge in a few seconds to use for your own benefit.

I'm quite sure even with a police / surveillance state, you will not end up in a police basement and tortured to dead. The world seems a mess because every little incident is reported all over the globe in milliseconds. This make everything so close. Sometimes I think the things don't go down, just now the spotlight is on things that had be always there in the dark. Thanks to modern technology.

Yes the migrant invasion is bad, yes crimes and terror is there and things will change. But you are here, you know that it happen. Its not like in the middle ages that out of sudden a bunch of vikings plunder your village, rape your women and kill you. Today you can prepare and take your own actions. Compare to the past we have individual freedom and make a choice in our lives. Even if its just a little one its more then other generations ever had. Use it with wisdom. You are red pill.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-hoax.html

The Albert Pike letters are widely considered a hoax though...


http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-wor...t-webcast/

(08-11-2016 02:41 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 12:14 PM)Parzival Wrote:  Arabs and Berlin. Never ending love story...

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...lizei.html

Quote:70 people defend multiple offender against police. An eleven year old wants to start a car, passers call the police. His family rushes to his mother included. Who attacked? The Berlin police.
...

We need Sippenhaft again. Arrest them all, beat them up and send them into a camp where they can starve.

Western police, even the yanks to some degree, are utterly unequipped to deal with clannish behaviour.

A riot is one thing. Rioters are generally not loyal to other rioters. This kind of behaviour is something else all together. Even in the black ghettos of the USA you won't get a 70 strong flash-mob protecting a black criminal (excepting maybe if a recent event already had them out of the street).

The kicker is that this medieval behaviour leaves little to no recourse other than to be met with medieval responses. So, lets say something like this happens in three different areas simultaneously, either randomly or by design. How many capable police warriors are there to enforce the peace at any given moment in any given area?

Quelling a clan riot in a remote suburb would indeed be difficult, but there's a better tactic - prevention is better than the cure. What's currently stopping Western police forces from dealing with clannish behavior such as this is not lack of manpower or poor training, but rather silly concepts such as human rights and political correctness.

Here's an example. Russian security forces didn't have any qualms when they were dealing with Chechen terrorism:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/world/...ilies.html

Quote:Relatives were used as “hooks” to lure in militants. If the militant did not switch sides, the family member disappeared. Chechnya had about 3,000 to 5,000 unresolved disappearances from 2000 to 2005 or so. The policy, executed by the Chechen leader, Ramzan A. Kadyrov, the scion of a prominent Chechen family that itself switched sides, broke the organized resistance.

The idea is simple. When you identify a terrorist, target his family. The risk of getting killed by the police won't discourage a lunatic from blowing himself up. On the other hand, the risk of his family receiving a friendly visit from a special forces unit will probably make him think twice, and will for sure discourage others from going in his footsteps.

(08-11-2016 07:42 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-hoax.html

The Albert Pike letters are widely considered a hoax though...


http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-wor...t-webcast/

Interesting though not utterly discarding the very possibility that Pike has written that. But I took a quick look at his site - some of it sound, but other topics are scantily researched and the guy does not make a very compelling case on a few topics. His attempt at trying to debunk everything with a zero budget is dear not overly professional. For quite a few topics you can actually go travel see scientists, researchers, fact checkers etc - Foster Gamble of the movie THRIVE did it, but that can be costly. Oftentimes in our times not even newspapers have that kind of budget.

The guy frankly declares too much as 'debunked' after casually sifting through some data.

But to his credit - he looks at the global banking issue somewhat correctly (though missing major alternatives) and he acknowledges the truth of books written by Carroll Quigley.

If the West falls, the rest of the world falls. Africa will lose 50% or more of its population within decades without foreign aid, Pakistan and India will nuke each other, Iran will attack Saudi Arabia, China will go into deep recession leading to brutal military government without us to buy their trinkets.

The whole world will fall into disarray, don't kid yourself, there are no one to take the place of the West.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6990...elle-Cosse

'Let refugees into your homes' France pleads with citizens to help ease migrant crisis
THE French government has urged citizens to welcome refugees into their homes because the country’s migrant centres are so crowded.

And speaking for ALL of France is this hambeast


No "France" is not pleading for it's citizens to let ragefugees into their homes, it's one over weight SJW projecting her own pathological altruism onto her country. How many refugees do you think she has living with her?

Bring back the Bastille for these traitors

(08-11-2016 02:50 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6990...elle-Cosse

'Let refugees into your homes' France pleads with citizens to help ease migrant crisis
THE French government has urged citizens to welcome refugees into their homes because the country’s migrant centres are so crowded.

And speaking for ALL of France is this hambeast


No "France" is not pleading for it's citizens to let ragefugees into their homes, it's one over weight SJW projecting her own pathological altruism onto her country. How many refugees do you think she has living with her?

Bring back the Bastille for these traitors

Welcome Refugees into your homes - has been done by some and they are hard to evict as some have found out:

http://newobserveronline.com/south-afric...ndon-farm/

Quote:Now, however, Wartnaby said this week that he had completely abandoned his farm after his application to evict the 31 “refugees” was adjourned indefinitely by Judge Kate Pillay in the Pietermaritzburg High Court.

“I regret having extended a humanly hand to help these people, not knowing that was endangering the lives of my family.

“These people, despite having been offered a place to stay while they were supposed to be sorting out their refugee status, have caused only drama on my farm,” Wartnaby said.

In July last year, Wartnaby took in about 140 blacks from central Africa on his 20-hectare farm. At the time, the “refugees” had been arrested for refusing to leave another state-run refugee camp to which they had fled after local Africans had attacked them in an outbreak of violence against “foreign” blacks.

Wartnaby had said he had offered to accommodate the refugees so they could be reunited with their children, until they could get back on their feet. However, a group of the refugees had turned against the farmer.

That moronic leftist cuck was lauded by the worldwide media for his magnanimous step against xenophobia and racism.

In the end the farmers attempted to have the refugees evicted via force of the state, but the state does not give a shit.

The same will happen in Europe - only brute force will help against the rapefugees and the government will only budge when it is time for the slaughter.

Listen to what some refugee aid workers have to say - those like the farmer who were previously indoctrinated:

http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/i-cant-t...rker.html/

Quote:“Since autumn of 2015 I have been working as a full-time and permanent employee in a Hamburger initial reception center for refugees. I had applied explicitly for this job, that was exactly what I wanted to do. When I finally had the commitment it in my mailbox, I Was madly happy about it. Finally I was able to not only help in theory, but to really do something for the refugees.
Accordingly, I went in high spirits my first day to the initial reception; I was naturally excited, clear, one is always on the first working day of a the new job, but otherwise I was happy to be there. The colleagues were committed and very nice, but with the refugees I had still no direct contact. I greeted the area enthusiastically and found all was great.
“It is certainly super here”, I thought to myself. In the next few days, I then threw myself totally motivated into my work with up to 1,500 refugees who were housed there. I was responsible for their counseling services as the contact for all social problems of refugees, supporting them in their asylum procedure or securing medical appointments when they needed that.
Then the first refugees came to my office, where I wanted to stop the counseling services – After the first few visits I noted that my very positive and idealistic notion of them and their behavior was clearly different from reality. Of course you should not make generalizations about all refugees under any circumstances, there are many of them who are very friendly, grateful, very willingly integrated, very happy here. But if I’m honest, then the collaboration with 90 percent of those whom I meet is rather unpleasant and unfortunately not as I had thought before.
First, many of them are extremely demanding. They come to me and demand that I immediately give them an apartment and a fancy car and most also want me to procure them a really good job, and I am supposed to say yes. I’m sitting there and they are indeed in immediate need. And, if I reject them and instead try to explain to them that these demands are not immediately possible to fulfill, then they are often noisy and sometimes very aggressive. An Afghan has only recently threatened that he would kill himself. And a few Syrians and a group of Afghans have declared that they will go on hunger strike until I help them to move to another place.
To an originally Arab colleague of mine they have at times yelled “We will behead you!”. Because of these and other things the police have to come out several times a week to us.
Second, they often give very unreliable information. They come to me with their papers and then tell a story that may not entirely agree. But they continue to believe and I can then be only sure when I’ve talked with my colleagues about it. Often my colleagues say that the person had already been with them the day before and everything they were told was a little bit different.

There was, for example, a resident who came with his deportation notice and wanted to know what would happen now. I explained it to him and he then went. Soon after he came to my colleague and suddenly showed completely new identity documents with a different name and said he was the man with the different name. He was then no longer recognized, but only moved to another camp.
Third, they rarely stick to agreements. Part of what I am doing also includes setting the doctor’s appointments for the refugees. All of them must have a basic examination, that is an X-ray, a vaccine and a general check-up. But many of them still want to go to other doctors, especially to a dentist or orthopedic surgeon. Then I make appointments for them, but often they just do not show up. This happens so often that doctors now have already asked us not to set as many appointments – but what am I supposed to do? I can not simply reject the request for an appointment, just because I suspect that the petitioner might not appear.

And fourth, and that’s for me the worst: Some of the refugees behave belligerently us towards women. It is well known that it is primarily single men who come to us, about 65 percent or even 70 percent, I would personally vouch that. They are all still young, only around 20, not more than 25 years old.
And part of them do not respect us women. They do not take us seriously at all. If I tell them something or want to give them a statement, then they hardly listen to me. They immediately dismiss us as unimportant and then call for a male colleague. For us women, they often only give us contemptuous or even intrusive glances. Often they whistle aloud afterward, then call out something in a foreign language laughing, which I and most of my colleagues do not understand. This is really very unpleasant. It’s even happened once that they have photographed me with a smartphone. Just like that, without asking, even if one has protested. And finally, As I was going up a steep staircase, the men behind went up the steps behind me and they laughed all the time and – I suspect – talking about me and then shouted at me.

- See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/i-cant-t...zs3Mh.dpuf

Real contact with the blessed enrichers helps. Only too late do you realize that meeting with some high-performing migrants of their countries who have made it into Europe is not indicative of a violent backwards 60-85 IQ country. The occasional high-performers left for a good reason.

^ That guy got Zimbabwed, this really is hilarious.

(08-11-2016 01:08 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  If the West falls, the rest of the world falls. Africa will lose 50% or more of its population within decades without foreign aid, Pakistan and India will nuke each other, Iran will attack Saudi Arabia, China will go into deep recession leading to brutal military government without us to buy their trinkets.

The whole world will fall into disarray, don't kid yourself, there are no one to take the place of the West.

I am not sure if it will be that bad.

However, you mentioned an important point - the rest of the world needs the West.

The West doesn't need anyone else.

Unfortunately, our leaders are selling us out for short term profit.

(08-11-2016 10:17 PM)quino_16 Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 01:08 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  If the West falls, the rest of the world falls. Africa will lose 50% or more of its population within decades without foreign aid, Pakistan and India will nuke each other, Iran will attack Saudi Arabia, China will go into deep recession leading to brutal military government without us to buy their trinkets.

The whole world will fall into disarray, don't kid yourself, there are no one to take the place of the West.

I am not sure if it will be that bad.

However, you mentioned an important point - the rest of the world needs the West.

The West doesn't need anyone else.

Unfortunately, our leaders are selling us out for short term profit.

Humanity is a bubble, the West needs more native births to continue

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11...tion-grows

There's no good place to discuss this. It has to be discussed here. the pattern is obvious and will only continue if it isn't.

(08-03-2016 09:15 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  So, thank you `Hydrogonian but your analysis of the situation is both unwanted and ill-informed, which is consistent with your posting history.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57366...pid1366008

^^ Here's AB recently personally attacking me for commenting on his friend's behavior in a thread, wherein it isn't clear if the friend is trolling or mentally ill.

I offer my opinion that his friend, Hades, is fucking around. By any standard, his posts are insane and, thus, my opinion is natural and valid considering the given information in the thread.

AB then goes on to admonish me, as if forum members are supposed to have some type of telekinesis about all of the clique-y back-story information that he has on the subject and gained through interaction outside of the forum.

He feels license to launch the first personal attack of the thread as a result. His mention of NTP leads me to believe that he's still butt-hurt over my devil's advocate role in that situation and thus felt justified in carrying that anger over for a personal attack.

The NTP thread was also a situation that was blown way out of proportion when members decided to White Knight for other members. As he was now doing in the linked-to thread and he was doing in this very thread as he follows me across threads.

In this thread, he has zero contribution stake. His purpose in contributing was just to attack me on a viciously personal level. That's fine, but I'm not going to let the pattern go un-noted.

Quote:If you are speaking of posting history of mine beyond NTP, you should come out and talk about it right now. Instead of continuously hiding behind vague, cowardly jabs when you feel angry.

^^ Here is me calling AB out on the behavior in the same thread, asking him to get it out right then to avoid further butt-hurt conversations. He declines to take me up on it. I feel that declining such an interaction should be an end to the attacks, if he's a man at all.

Quote:If Portugal was invaded, you would fold much quicker and easier because you are Western Europe's basket-case, not that I would use that against you in a more regular discussion. Because it's unproductive. But you aren't being targeted for a reason, and that reason is that you've been politically fucked for a long time at your own hand because "failed to defend yourself" centuries ago when the Moors decided to plow through your women. And now you require much less sunscreen.

^^ Here is me, in this thread, making the singular counter-jab to the ethnicity of someone who has participated in part of what has been pages of anti-German jabs, all of which were not met with counter-jabs but sincere defensive logic. Which is more than the jabs at the Germans have contained.

It lands well with at least one member, Requiem, because, again, it's the singular response to these pages of "red pill" German hate.

I don't "like" Requiem's post because I feel that such an action would be passive aggressive of me.

After my single jab back at one of the German haters, a mod steps in and asks us to stop derailing the thread via personal jabs. There were no mods stepping in for the German hate. Though, I agree with the mod.

Quote:No problem on my end, Soma Smile I've said my piece. Won't cause more ruckus.

^^ Here's Lemon IScream's response to the mod. "Ruckus" referring to the mod's specific request in ceasing the personal insults.

Quote:If you want to laugh go ahead, but the joke is on you for taking a falsehood and making juvenile remarks Big Grin FEEL DA BURN; HURR DURR! I won't stoop to your level, rest assured. If only it was an historically accurate insult it would be perhaps a bit less vexing, but reading ignorance and reveling in it knowingly is just a lost case of sour grapes.

^^ Here's an immediate post that follows, by Lemon IScream, that contains remarks of a personal nature that could be substrate for further arguing. My remark, on which he is commenting, is no more "juvenile" than the anti-German remarks. Accuracy is another discussion that I would strongly discourage, and that I'm sure the mods would not appreciate.

Quote:Ruckus

^^ Here's my response to Lemon IScream's post, pointing out that mildly personal remarks were still being made using the single word that Lemon IScream himself mapped to the mod's specific request. I post the word in a effort to bring awareness so that everyone would call it a day and quit the overall interaction.

I didn't make an elaborate comment, even a comment in sentence form, so as to not do anything but label the mildly personal comments using the agreed upon word "Ruckus". Because they were.

I could have said "Hey, isn't that Ruckus"? Which would have seemed more argumentative. That's why I opted not to write such a sentence. But, in hindsight, it would have also not left a window open for someone with a pattern of personal attacks on me to migrate over an comment on a thread that he has nothing to do with.

(08-09-2016 01:41 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Jesus, you're a sad and petty little man, Hydro.

^^ Here's AB's opportunistic comment. Here's the guys who 'liked' it, in a passive aggressive fashion: redpillage, justin, Wreckingball, LEMONed IScream, Rocha, Mercenary, Quintus Curtius, rw95, Yatagan.

If you guys have an issue, get it out right now. At least four of you I whipped, handily, in debates mostly over "Red Pill" issues in this thread having to do with either globalism or hostility against Europeans. I get it, but let it go. I have. I thought that "alphas" didn't hold onto anger?

If you have something to say, say it now. Or STFU in regard to it. Forever. And stop being so passive aggressive, jumping over any nasty opportunity to attack me. Or don't. But the mods should come out to say that they support such attacks on me, or they should mod them in the same way that my single comment was intervened on, and then my further single one-word comment was used to suspend me for 3 days.

But no more internet commando behavior, please. It's beneath everyone here. The general decorum should be, for the forum, not to say anything that you can't walk back from. Such as AB's comment. And you generally shouldn't say something here that would start a fight in real life. It's bad mojo for the forum, and most people know not to go that far if for no other reason that it's not very masculine. If such comments are now allowed and are going to be common, just let me know and I'll adjust in-kind. But I'm not going to sit here quietly while a pattern of butt-hurt attacks occurs across threads, ever increasing in their viciousness.

So, what have you got? Wanna talk about NTP? Germans? "White" people? Some irl friend that is posting insanity here, who you are deluding yourself into thinking can be assisted on this forum? What do you want to talk about? Get it the fuck out now, or beat it for good. If it continues, I'll assume that the mods have condoned open-season and I'll respond with similar language that is used against me from here on out.

Oh my. This one has issues. You could have just let the issue slide like everyone else did.

Instead you had this weird meltdown. You "whipped" us. Big man!

I said I didn't cause more ruckus and then got attacked by a guy that had nothing to do with the discussion and which I barely remember, should I stay quiet like a little dog? I simply denounced it because your "attack" was historically inaccurate and insulting at the same time, not that you offended me, as I said, it reflects more on you than anyone else.

And for the last time, for the record. I don't hate Germans and don't have any reason to. I just feel bad because in the end it is an old and important culture and Europe which is getting deteriorated mostly by their own hands.

For me the issue is dead and buried, just don't try to hijack a thread because it discusses something which you dislike. I apologize the mods for answering but I don't think I was insulting, at least not too much. If he called you a petty little man, I'd say the non-petty action would simply be to ignore. I mean, at least we wouldn't be on the brink of a shitstorm again. just my two cents and hope nobody gets hurt in all this.

From me, no hard feelings. All this because of a random post that many people liked and pretty much only you saw as some sort of personal attack or national character assassination. Some random thing I got off a christian facebook page from a german user. Not meant to provoke anyone or anything of the kind.

It all feels extremely unnecessary. There are bound to be disagreements in forums, that is for sure, but letting it get to a personal level is not needed.

(08-12-2016 01:57 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Oh my. This one has issues. You could have just let the issue slide like everyone else did.

Instead you had this weird meltdown. You "whipped" us. Big man!

I said I didn't cause more ruckus and then got attacked by a guy that had nothing to do with the discussion and which I barely remember, should I stay quiet like a little dog? I simply denounced it because your "attack" was historically inaccurate and insulting at the same time, not that you offended me, as I said, it reflects more on you than anyone else.

And for the last time, for the record. I don't hate Germans and don't have any reason to. I just feel bad because in the end it is an old and important culture and Europe which is getting deteriorated mostly by their own hands.

For me the issue is dead and buried, just don't try to hijack a thread because it discusses something which you dislike. I apologize the mods for answering but I don't think I was insulting, at least not too much. If he called you a petty little man, I'd say the non-petty action would simply be to ignore. I mean, at least we wouldn't be on the brink of a shitstorm again. just my two cents and hope nobody gets hurt in all this.

From me, no hard feelings. All this because of a random post that many people liked and pretty much only you saw as some sort of personal attack or national character assassination. Some random thing I got off a christian facebook page from a german user. Not meant to provoke anyone or anything of the kind.

It all feels extremely unnecessary. There are bound to be disagreements in forums, that is for sure, but letting it get to a personal level is not needed.

Don't waste your time, brother - we all have better (and more pressing) things to do. And remember the old saying: The only way to win is not to play.

Peace ;-)

I know. I'm just a stubborn fool that lets himself be swayed for no important reason.

Just amazed as I found out what Kemal Ataturk has said about Islam:

"Islam belongs to the dustbin of History. This theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.."
http://www.welt.de/geschichte/article121...daver.html

Strangely there is some difficulty finding English quotes on Islam by Ataturk as if someone is diligently whitewashing what he said.

Quote:Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to Islam. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion.

Frankly that is one reason why I left Christianity - as a spiritual seeker looking for something that sounds true and makes sense ON ALL LEVELS - also logic and reason.

Islam is by the way 100 times more illogical than Christianity.



Ah - the founder of Turkey knew his stuff.

Quote:Turks were a great nation even before they adopted Islam. This religion did not help the Arabs, Iranians, Egyptians and others to unite with Turks to form a nation. Conversely, it weakened the Turks’ national relations; it numbed Turkish national feelings and enthusiasm. This was natural, because Mohammedanism was based on Arab nationalism above all nationalities.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mustafa_Ke...at%C3%BCrk

And here a nice little cartoon I found on multiculturalism:



Translation: "It is all Western society's fault. It has nothing to do with Islam"

Tags by the heads: "Apostate" , "Slut (mini skirt)", "Pig eater"

I just realized today that one of the reasons the elite keeps promoting and protecting Islam while also funding radical conventional Islamists (since Mohammed was the ultimate radical Islamists who would feel at home in the ISIS territories) - well one of the reasons they promote it all, is because the Muslims do so much killing and mayhem. And even if they procreate like crazy in the West and are funded by the West, then the elite knows that they will do even more killing in the future. The population goal of the globalists might be closer to 500 mio., getting that blood-fest rolling via the religion of peace is an excellent idea.

Of course those buggers who listen to the words of a semi-literate beduin won't rule, but they certainly work on the depopulation agenda well enough. (their own inbred population can easily be culled later on)

Sometimes I truly wish the Persians would have wiped them out early on:



But alas - the world is at is and it is all a school - the good and the bad.

It's really too bad that ancient Persian culture wasn't able to resist encroaching Islam. The most ancient pieces of archeological Christianity found in China are from Zoroastrian influenced coptic Christian icons. By all accounts Persian royal families who fled to China were civilized and decent people.

Forget Babylon. They were really the real high watermark of the middle east/central asian territory.

Everything since then has been a steep downhill launch into the abyss.

I’ve had a few life challenges this last 10 days or so, and was this close to letting this go, since I’m going have to take a long break from the forum.

Fuck it.

Ruckus. This is as good as place as any, because there’s far more eyes here. I know this is bullshit drama, but this has to publicly play out to get some fucking peace, quiet and functionality around here.

Guys, you’re all seeing the dysfunction now, aren’t you? If you want to understand exactly what is wrong with Hydro, read on, but firstly, anyone who didn’t see Hade’s thread should start here and keep reading to catch up. Note his and my interactions, and how other people start to see. Pay particular attention to the context, and my words.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57366...pid1365932

Forgive the length. There’s a lot to cover.

(08-12-2016 03:41 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  hydrogonian, please.

It turns out people erring on the side of compassion for Hades were right and you were wrong.

If you can't apologize to Hades or Hannibal, could you at least just wish them well and drop it?

This is the core of the problem. Hydrogonian’s particular psychological issues mean he’s incapable of admitting he’s wrong or showing humility.

Those familiar with Vox Day’s Social Sexual Hierarchy should understand the concept of the Gamma Male. I’ve spoken about it at length on here due to trying to understand a work collaborator who, outwardly, seemed talented, but, inwardly, seemed to constantly seethe with a furious Ressentiment at being shown to be wrong, to have it pointed out what he’d missed, and how to fix it.

This intense, passive-aggressive anger towards looking socially-inferior, even for a second, meant he was prepared to burn things to the ground, rather than humility and learn from his mistakes. This is what Aurini was dealing with last year when his Gamma Collaborator Jordan Owen sunk ‘The Sarkeesian Effect’, fucking over Aurini and their Investors. Aurini moved to a better place after it, by recognising the guy as toxic and moving on. As such, I learnt a lot from him and realised I was being controlled by the fear of a negative outcome, so it was better to just force the issue, abandon years of work and move on, just to be free of the guy. This is how poisonous they are.

So, yeah, they’ve been on my mind lately, as my repeated posts on the subject have shown. I recognise there’s a few in my life that I’m forced to interact with, and I’m an easy-going enough guy that I would let their shit slide, but I’m at the stage where I can’t enable their bullshit any more. It’s important when you see them, to call them out, even at the slightest chance that might see themselves not as they imagine to be, but how everyone else actually sees them, that might force self-awareness to realise they don’t have to keep being what they are. They just need to accept reality.

Gammas are men, who fundamentally believe themselves to be of higher social status than they actually are: no-one is more popular, intelligent, successful, better with women, or more accomplished. They believe they are irrefutable masters of logic, and have a deep understanding of any topic being discussed. Sometimes they can be talented, or look outwardly-successful enough, but it’s their mind that holds them back. Sadly, they actually think they’re Alpha Males, despite all observable evidence to the contrary that other men, and particularly women, don’t really like them much. Vox calls this the ‘Secret King’ mindset.

As such, when anyone pops this bubble of delusion by outshining them, the Gamma forms a deep psychological hatred for the person doing it and fixates. That person is ‘stealing’ the attention that is so rightfully theirs! Whatever their obvious and observable achievements are – fame, success, money, beautiful women - they couldn’t possibly-deserve it. This is particularly true with women. The hot woman would obviously have chosen the Gamma, since he’s the True King, so the only reason why she’s with the Alpha is that he’s someone tricked her into not seeing what he is.

All this results in various, identifiable passive-aggressive behavioural patterns, with a tedious, wearing predictability.

Here Vox outlines the Gamma Fantasy:

Quote:Gamma. No one knows how special he is. The Alphas unfairly rule and keep him down by trickery. Even the girl he loves in a way no woman has ever been loved before doesn't realize how special he is or how happy he would make her if only she would let him. Bad people treat him badly and unfairly. But through his clever wit, the Gamma makes fools of everyone through always having the perfect thing to say, culminating when he totally humiliates the Alpha and reveals him to be an unworthy paper tiger in a brilliant verbal exchange front of everyone, including the girl. The Gamma is finally recognized as the true First Man in Rome by everyone as the girl shyly confesses that she has always seen and admired his specialness. He calls her "milady" and roguishly offers her his arm as everyone looks on enviously and applauds the smoothness of his style.

Also:

Quote:I've noticed that a number of people who are skeptical of the socio-sexual theory keep making the same mistake. They focus on the labels, rather than on the observed behaviour to which the labels are applied.

There is no doubt that Alphas exist. There is no doubt that Gammas exist. We know this because we see them exhibiting the differentiating behavior in action on a daily basis. It doesn't matter what they are called; although the terms have become descriptors and predictive behavioral models, they are derived from actual behavior observed and recorded by others.

So, don't get caught up in the descriptors, their status implications notwithstanding. They are only there to label the various behaviors being observed.

So all this becomes about observation and predictability in behaviour.

One thing I suspect Vox hasn’t considered yet is how Gammas function as females rather than males. There’s a sneering bitchiness to the way they act, and they favour feminine tactics for social advancement. One thing I noted about a Gamma in High School was he always favoured the bands girls were into, and the movies they liked, thinking it would help him get into their pants. He’s the only guy I’ve ever seen who dotted his I’s with circles – a common teenage girl affectation.

As such, when a member speculates in the ‘What Do Members Look Like Thread’ that Hydrogonian looks like Harrison Ford teaching a class – a respectable enough thought construct any man could be proud to hear – Hydrogonian speculates how he actually looks like Jack Donovan, whom, despite his homosexuality, has some respect in the manosphere.

This is where the Ressentiment kicks in, because the Gamma has to explain how he is Jack, but more so, whilst Jack is actually less than he is.

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:Oddly enough, I'm much closer to this but without the Asatru biker-gang-member LARPing, the probable steroid usage, and the homo (this being Jack Donovan)

Jack’s a paper tiger and Hydro has cut him down. Whereas, I look at Jack, see his obvious gains and understanding the discipline it takes to achieve that, I only think respect. That’s because I’m not operating from a place of social insecurity where, like a woman, I need to cut down my opponent.

That’s why, when one member who knows me posted a pic in that thread, I mocked the picture as looking like a ‘pussy’, knowing he’d get the joke, since I know the situation he’s directly-referring to. I’m able to make fun of myself, something a Gamma can’t do.

The Jack comment? That comment is a high school fatty sneering at the cute jock she can’t have, trying to convince everyone how much she doesn’t care about him, because he’s beneath her. Keep that fat girl association in the back of your mind through the rest of this essay.

As an aside: any guy with any serious mass will hear the classic Ressentiment tells from other men and women – how you’re obviously on ‘roids and are overcompensating for something.

This Ressentiment between a Gamma and his Alpha trigger is why Jordan Owen made multiple hour plus videos triggered by Roosh, trying to show how Roosh couldn’t possibly-deserve his sexual success.

This is where John Scalzi writes multiple fisked takedowns of Vox Day, trying to show how just inferior and unimportant he is to Scalzi.

It’s where Dan Bilzerian sleeps with Ryan DeLuca’s girlfriend, and DeLuca gets all morally-superior to him, and tries to prove he’ll be a better person – classic female behaviour.

All of them living rent-free in the Gamma mind.

Anyway, that’s the controlled passive-aggressive sniping. What’s interesting is what happens a Gamma is not just outshone by someone with greater social status, but directly called out for their incorrect knowledge or passive-aggressive bullshit. This is where you get the full breakdown of narcissistic fury, something Matt Forney has written about at great length and knows how to reliably trigger. This is where a person becomes so enraged by a narcissistic injury that they lose all control. Relating this to Freudian theory, this is where someone forgets to hide their polite face for reasons of social status, so you get to see the Uncontrolled Id in furious flight, raging at the world.

For example, 4,500 words of rage, pointing out just exactly how right they are and how wrong all their critics are, in furious, obsessive detail, way past the point of most observers caring, which was, frankly, deeply-embarrassing to observe.

Of course, Vox identifies a classic Gamma tell as their repeated claims of ‘not caring’. Note LeBeau’s comment in the Hades thread.

Quote:The rest of us see through your words becuase if you truly "didn't care" you wouldn't keep mentioning that, and you wouldn't keep investing in this thread about someone you have no business speaking about.

You're trying to turn attention towards yourself rather than someone who needs help.

And to back up what Bosch was getting at, it's consistent with your post history since you seem obsessed with being some sort of oracle and always proving to others that you are right and wise.

You post grand predictions and conspiracy theory in so many threads as if you, and only you, could possibly analyze the world properly, and that we should all recognize how confident and prescient you are.

I'm not buying it.

He knows he’s seen something ‘off’ about Hydro, and has correctly-identified Gamma behaviour, without directly calling him Gamma.

Other members have seen his vast overreactions – trigger into narcissistic fury - and called him on it, so you get a lot of this thing:

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:That post took me about ten minutes to write, and another five to edit.

i.e. “See how little I care?”

Quote:Do it or don't do it. It isn't a concern.

i.e. “I don’t care.”

You’ll see this again and again. “I don’t really care and this isn’t important at all but…”

Quote:Then

You

Quote:Get

Constant

Quote:Fisking

Addressing

Quote:Multiple

Tiny

Quote:criticisms

Fisking is standard behaviour amongst Gamma social circles – you’re guaranteed to see it on social justice warriors and leftist forums. Elsewhere: who has the fucking time? This is why I generally just scroll past Hydro’s sperg-outs.

So, remember, the Secret King will vomit multiple walls of text refuting (with Gamma Logic: shifting goalposts, focusing on minor digressions, outright ignoring criticism) every possible point of attack in an opponent's argument, then follow it up by stating how little they care about the argument to begin with.

The concerns of the Peasants are beneath the King, because they are seeing reality very different to their audience:

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:Me "being a dick" seems to = guys not being able to quite put me in my place in either a debate or a heated argument.

Or here:

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:At least four of you I whipped, handily, in debates mostly over "Red Pill" issues in this thread having to do with either globalism or hostility against Europeans. I get it, but let it go. I have.

Whereas withdrawal in weary disgust isn’t the same as being conquered. This lack of social awareness is how they never quite realise the clam-cringing effect they’re having on women. (Also note that once again, he’s telling us he doesn’t care).

Something else Vox frequently calls out is the Gamma Dismissal of Authority that doesn’t recognise his obvious superiority.

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:I've apparently hit another forum wall wherein there exists a bizarre cult of personality, or forum values that I'm unaware of or otherwise don't care about (shutting up because of an internet personality's "authorship" and his admirer's perception of his "life experience"), that the cultists wish me to defer to in an effort to limit speech.

Note how if he doesn't get recognised as superior by the traditions and rules of the forum, then the rules of the forum aren't important to him. Once again, note he’s telling us just how much he ‘doesn’t care’.

Also note the attempt to pathologise opponents - 'bizarre cult of personality' - thereby dismissing them outright to himself and others, as any good Leftist would do.

Hell, it's almost like Higher-Repped members have unearned Privilege, and challenging them is speaking Truth To Power.

I wrote a post recently saying how I believe that Gammas are Natural Socialists.

Vox Day always calls Gammas the Irrefutable Masters of Logic:

(07-26-2016 05:13 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  I invalidated that logic, in finality

(07-15-2016 09:51 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  I'll stick with the logic talk, because I'm being logical.

He’ll frequently-criticise others for ‘rhetorical attacks’.

Said logic in action:

Quote:Now you're just throwing your feces around.

Quote:This is a particularly misleading comment.

Quote:I'm unsure how

Quote:I'd be shocked if

Quote:Your assumption is arrogant and silly.

Quote:An absolutely a historical broad stroke that is a favorite of Leftists

Quote:A smart man such as yourself should know that this is a ridiculous question to ponder

Quote:but I'll again grant you your success in being able to give a "grand speech" ring to your essay.

Quote:Oh for fuck's sake.

Note the pedantic and patronising tone, the hypocrisy, and the weasel word framing. “Again I’ll grant you” – another classic Gamma tell is their delusion of having superior status. You’ll usually get things like “Now run along…” and “Have fun, kids” at the end of their pronouncements, which is ridiculous when their writing shows such obvious weakness.

Also, note the sheer pettiness on display. I mentioned this in another post recently about how my Gamma Stepfather was triggered by something as Petty as me reliably being given extra food I didn’t want by a girl up at my local Fish and Chip Store whenever I ordered food for my Brother-in-Law.

This is not how socially-secure men act.

Which leads to Projection:

Note he accuses his opponent of being – the word he wants is – ‘grandiloquent’, whilst doing the same thing.

Gammas, like Social Justice Warriors, always project.

Quote:Could it be because your post is about you?

Why would he be so invested about being right about Hades?

Quote:The thing about Hades is that he's putting on a show. He's not sincere. He's trolling you for his own amusement. Thus, he's not entertaining. He's distracting. Every time someone concern-counsels him they're being successfully played for ENTERTAINMENT. But also probably a little bit of narcissistic supply, which the obviousness of the joke, I'm sure, makes a little more sweet. That he's playing around is quite obvious.

The thing is, projection can reveal motivation. This is the usefulness of Vox’s Theory at both observing and predicting behaviour. I’ll come back to this.

Note, after I triggered him the other day with what I thought was an obvious and open statement about his sad and petty nature, he accused me of ‘passive-aggression’ and ‘anger’, projecting himself onto me. This is great. This is how they reveal themselves and their psychological weaknesses.

Quote:Enjoy your passive-aggressive posturing, and stewing in your obvious anger. It's pretty "sad" that you now wait for any opportunity to attack me, stalking me across threads. That's a lot of emotion. It's gotta be a hard way to live. Good luck with it.

As an aside, by now I read everything he says in Eric Cartman’s voice. It’s much funnier.

I showed one of my associates the email, and he said “Woah, you’re right. Gammas really do think like women.” Read it again. That’s a strong and empowered basic bitch sassy head nod as she triumphantly dumps you, (inevitability ‘accidentally-texting’ you months later then later saying “so, how are you doing?”) Showing you just how much they no longer care about you?

So, why am I discussing his behaviour with other members?

This is the thing about being an INTJ personality type. I can’t help but notice things. Every tiny observation gets filed away in memory. I see without always consciously-seeing, so at first one or two things mightn’t raise an eyebrow, but then later I can suddenly-recall connections between experiences months or years apart and reach a very deep understanding.

I have an incredibly-smart INTJ mate who reaches understanding almost instantly. It’s humbling to hear him slow his brain down to explain things to me, leading me through the interim steps he doesn’t need to make to see connection. Unfortunately, I’m not that blessed.

So, one or two statements I might read but only see unconsciously and instinctively know something if off but as certain patterns keep repeating, those observations come back and I see the clear patterns.

As such, Hydrogonian’s pattern of deep resentment towards the highly-repped members came together tiny observation by observation. In the NTP thread, subversion was being discussed and I identified the exploitable fracture point of the forum being the Reputation system:

Quote:If Trust is Paramount, then overhaul the rep system and base it on a Verified Interaction Ranking.

Losing out on Forum Status would be the necessary sacrifice those of us who value privacy would have to make. I'm willing to toss out my rep points and be back on the bottom of the deck it leads to a more harmonious structure where everyone isn't immediately calling each other out or accusing people of running multiple accounts when things like this happen.

Of course, since I called out 'DecentFella' for trying to target the Rep System as an Obvious Fracture Point the other day, now I'm wondering if I'm trying to sabotage forum harmony by suggesting this.

You can see how dangerous Paranoia is.

Maybe a simpler solution is that we need to simply consider the Rep System and Forum Titles for what they are: a sign that a poster has had a high number of posts people enjoyed, for one reason or other, and place no more value on it than that, because, as long as we do, it can be exploited by those targeting us to create forum disharmony.

Which of course, could still be me suggesting sabotage.

Now, this is a classic example of how INTJ’s operate on both a conscious and unconscious planes of reality simultaneously. I read that post above and wondered, “Huh, who was DecentFella?” then went back to look. Ok, (s)he was a now-banned Subversive I routed out. I would have let it my routing them out slide, but I fully-explained why I did what I did because a few members thought I was being a bully due to my status.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-55735...pid1302169

It’s really worth reading that whole post to understand why this is happening now. See how my unconscious mind recalled the NTP post, which led me to a clear illustration of the current situation, offering me further depth of understanding.

As such, if you’re trying to get away with something around an INTJ, don’t draw attention to yourself.

Now, Decentfella read to a woman, but notice the latter block of tells that triggered my suspicion that are also applicable here, and how Gammas act like women.

Quote:- overdramatic and theatrical presentation, i.e. 'Brothers and Seniors...' (grandiloquence itself isn’t a bad thing if a person has the intelligence to back it up but midwitted-grandiloquence is the tell you’re looking for)

- accusations of cult-like thinking (i.e. don’t follow the leaders, sheeple!)

- sermons from the cross: i.e. "I guess I'll continue to do so being active or inactive" (persecution complex)

- 'you laughing at me means I'm actually winning': " I definitely did touch quite a few nerves". (the secret king always wins)

- sowing seeds of conflict: "can confirm that from the sounds of it No Alpha or True Player or a Casanova has replied to this thread yet." (targeting The rep system)

- "Even though I said I don't care, I have to get the last word in so you realise just how much I don't care!" (I DON’T CARE ABOUT WINNING!)

I’ve mentioned examples of these in Hydrogonian’s posting above, but you can easily spot them in any post where he’s triggered.

The persecution complex one is interesting, because, again and again, I would see evidence of his Ressentiment to those who have High Levels of Respect here (rep points, observable real world accomplishments, or verified by multiple members). Remember, his underlying theme here is unearned privilege and speaking truth to power, when really, it’s just the fat girl, tearing down the Prom Queen whilst secretly dreaming of being her.

The problem with good subversion is what reads like an obvious stoking of resentment to one eye can fool another, and they gradually gain power.

Look how he gets repped by another member. Note my emphasis.

Quote:going all honey badger on the powers that be with logical points gets my respect

‘The powers that be’. Classic Leftist infiltration in action. Tear down the leaders! Don’t listen to them! Fight the power! Incidentally, this was how the Progressive Stack was introduced to destroy group cohesion in Occupy Wall Street.

Which is why I wasn’t surprised to discover that this Hardcore Race Realist Trump -Supporting Nationalist was a very different person before his Defining Narcissistic Injury on the Forum:

’weblinks’ Wrote:Maybe I am crazy, stubborn, brain-washed, too patriotic, and don't think critically enough, but I think most people would agree that America is fantastically successful. I get the feeling that Americans tend to believe that eveyone would be living in caves if there was no USA. There must be something to this success besides just luck.

How does 2010 Hydro respond to this professed belief in American Exceptionalism? Note my emphasis.

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:The American moral superiority that you feel is nothing but the residue of a cheap, but very effective, form of brainwashing that drums up support for war, and is now insidiously indoctrinated into our national identity. "We are good, they are bad, and therefore the war is our moral imperative."

Its always worked throughout history, but its also the justification for some of the most morally reprehensible acts ever committed by humanity. Examples: The Crusades, The annihilation of the Native Americans, almost every war the USA has ever fought, and any war anyone has ever fought.

Remember projection? As mentioned before, here’s him trying to smack down a member who isn’t buying his Race Realism a few weeks back:

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:An absolutely a historical broad stroke that is a favorite of Leftists

It’s all right guys, I’m sure he’s not a True Leftist.

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:Like I earlier stated, I don't know what communism is like. But its certainly not as simple as them "not wanting freedom". That type of gross oversimplification, and regurgitation of propaganda, leads society down bad roads. There are at least as many intellectual diatribes about why capitalism doesn't work as there are about communism. The problem is, neither of these systems is ever implemented the way the models suggest.

Remember the projection from earlier?

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:The thing about Hades is that he's putting on a show. He's not sincere. He's trolling you for his own amusement. Thus, he's not entertaining. He's distracting. Every time someone concern-counsels him they're being successfully played for ENTERTAINMENT. But also probably a little bit of narcissistic supply, which the obviousness of the joke, I'm sure, makes a little more sweet. That he's playing around is quite obvious.

Interesting isn’t it?

Now, assuming this sense of sense of persecution came from somewhere, and using Vox’s conception that Gamma ranking can be used to observe and predict behaviour, what would be the motivation for resentment and disruption of the forum?

The thing to remember is that Gammas never, ever forget a narcissistic injury. Which is why I accurately-predicted that, once Hydrogonian’s temporary ban was lifted, he’d be immediately back in the Hades thread to try to put LeBeau in his place, and back in this thread to put both Lemon and I in our places, all of which he did, with dreary-predictability. If I get pissed off, I walk away, and am usually over it with a small amount of decompression. I’m not at the moment for reasons I’ll get to at the end of the post, because I’m also very good at psychoanalysing my own behaviour.

Words from a gamma who finally accepted his Gamma nature, writing about what it’s like to exist as a Gamma:

Quote:When finally shown you are wrong about something it is devastating, you remember it for months or years, avoid that place or people, and consider your time there a failure as a person.

Now, Hydrogonian was inactive here for a very long amount of time. Why?

Because Tuthmosis handed his arse too him in a thread about Race in 2012, in that particular Tuthmosis way. (Hell, Tuth is good enough to even have Triggered me a couple of times. Respect).

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-10538...#pid162545

Short version: Hydro was told to check his White Privilege, and lost enough face to slink out of here for almost four years soon after.

It ends with a statement with him made more hilarious by time, after Tuth calls for a moratorium on political threads:

Quote:I agree with all of this. Although I'm central to the argument here, I was reacting to a political comment. The problem with race threads is that they too often go political. I'm all good with never talking about any of this.

Note Hydro in 2016, in a race thread, still re-enacting this injury, trying to be Tuthmosis.

Quote:This forum is alive with political speech. If you guys can't handle it, perhaps stay away from the political forum.

I know I shouldn’t laugh but:



See why he’s consistently-triggered into Narcissistic Fury by Race Threads, needing to be right? Read how often he’s Sperging out in the Migrant Invasion thread, which is easy to see due to it being one of the more active threads in the political forum. (Which, predictably turns, via the Gamma Persecution Complex, from me randomly-seeing him vomiting out his Uncontrolled Id in a thread I regularly read and voicing my contempt into how I’m ‘stalking him’ there to prove a point).

See how an understanding of Gamma Psychology suggests a motivation that could explain behaviour years later? That was located easily enough. To validate the suspicion further, I’d want to see evidence of Hydro clearly-remembering that injury, year later.

By coincidence, a member brought up this odd feeling of forum subversion with me out of the blue a week or two back that he couldn’t quite explain, but he pointed to a particular thread on the forum about how the culture of the place has changed.

A member wrote this:

Quote:Tuthmosis, 2Wycked, Athlone McGinniss were good writers and would be fun to engage on a forum.

Hydro’s response:

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:In general, the more-or-less at-once arrival of these guys (minus 2Wycked, I don't remember him though he may have been there) and some others marked the end of the first age of the forum wherein it was super-intimate. Ironically to some of the complaints here, that's when the forum first started getting racial.

Over four years later, he still remembers the injury, because, as predicted, Gammas never, ever forget.

I mentioned a little while back how a Gamma guy I know once lost face when a popular sports star here played a practical joke on him in the workplace, and now the Gamma is obsessed with him, acting like they’re rivals and tearing him down to random disinterested strangers in public ala Jack Donovan. This has been going on for years. After I posted that story, he mentioned that his son was doing work experience, and “You’ll never guess who he’s working for.” Of course I guessed, instantly, wearily, but, sick of this shit said “Did he even remember who you were?”

A friend, reading the obvious injury. “It just doesn’t make any sense. Why would someone still care after that long?”

“You can’t understand,” I said, “Because you’re not dysfunctional.”

Note today:

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:I thought that "alphas" didn't hold onto anger?

Once again, projection suggesting the underlying issue.

This is the heart of Hydrogonian’s bitter resentment to anyone here who holds high social power. How deep would this Ressentiment go? Would he actually doxx anyone who pissed him off? Hard to say. I sure as fuck wouldn’t want anything to do with him.

Remember Vox again:

Quote:They are descriptors and conceptual models that are usefully predictive.

Gamma is assumed, so how to successfully-expose it to the members who haven’t quite realised yet? The obvious answer: assume they’ll conform to the predicted model.

As such, wait very patiently for a situation to arise where the Gamma is clearly and provably wrong about something – which happened in Hades’ Zombie Apocalypse thread - then use that situation to expose them for what they are, using the three step process I used to trigger ‘Decentfella’ I linked to earlier

Quote:1. deliberately-bait them to get on their radar;
2. forcing them to directly-challenge me;
3. thereby triggering them into narcissistic fury to reveal their power level.

Mike Cernovich has really taught me how to live rent-free inside someone’s head.

Quote:It's pretty "sad" that you now wait for any opportunity to attack me, stalking me across threads.

Why is AB here, liking your post, to help light the thread up again?

AB made it about me. Your spin fails.

gave AB the vapors and he thought that it warranted a personal attack

Steps 1, 2 and 3, all achieved.

But how to guarantee narcissistic fury, so that everyone clearly sees?

Quote:he thought that it warranted a personal attack

Quote: a personal attack

Given the escalation of Hades’ Bipolarity into Psychotic Grandiosity, his thread was a damn serious situation, because you have to talk very carefully to the Manic, and challenging their delusion with sneering contempt the way Hydro did can escalate fury.

This mean talking down Hades from grand mania towards humility, and then derailing the thread away from the subject to discourage him further and hopefully get his attention to wander off.

So, whilst, yes, it was a personal attack on Hydro – I’m rightfully contemptuous of someone lacking depth of knowledge pontificating on a serious situation – but it was for a damn good reason, because I’d been given a gift: a perfect setup.

So, I said this:

Quote:So, thank you `Hydrogonian but your analysis of the situation is both unwanted and ill-informed, which is consistent with your posting history.

Even better. It’s true.

Why a personal attack though?

Because as Vox Day knows, as Matt Forney knows, as Tuthmosis knows, as Roosh knows, you can’t argue Dialectic with those incapable of speaking. You simply Trigger them with Rhetoric.

This is why, in thread after thread, Hydrogonian tries to prove his superior Dialectic skills – So logical! So Unconcerned! – in that particularly- unique Gamma Style of the Midwitted being out of their depth, where Goals are shifted, particular points are locked on with intense focus and it’s about specific rather than general, overlying theory whilst accusing everyone else of doing what they’re doing. However, he’s reliably-triggered by Rhetorical Attacks, which triggers his overreactions, leading to a Fisky ‘logical’ smackdown that, as above, questioning my concern for Hades, that keeps becoming rhetorical.

’Hydrogonian’ Wrote:Now you're just throwing your feces around.

Gamergaters should recognise the Nu-Maleness of this type of attitude before they block someone criticising them. That kind of Midwitted Belief where people think that no-one could possibly be smarter than them, whereas smart people recognise greatness and intelligence can spring up anywhere, which grants humility. Whilst I’m an intelligent man, I’m a humble one. I recognise the low-ranked members often give me unique insights into myself.

So, bait laid, I wait. I’ve pointed out to others privately to watch the thread for what should then predictably-happen. They were sceptical, due to Roadrunner mentioning he knew Hades and his brother and that this was real in between the time I’d started writing and the post was send. Even I wondered. Surely, when clearly shown to be wrong, he’d back down and slink away.

Except Gammas, like SJW’s, are incapable of admitting when they’re wrong.

This means, they always double down.

I woke up the next morning to clapping and toasting gifs in my mail. I had a quick skim, not out of any interest in reading the content – Gammas are dreary, bland writers with little identifiable personal style – but to simply confirm the severity of the counterattack, completely at odds with any notion of humility. Admittedly, I only expected one, not three, because it was such a tiny little attack. He actually doubled down. Sad!

One thing I have always stressed on here with Millennial Girls and their obviously-dysfunctional sexuality is this:

Dysfunctional behaviour guarantees the feared outcome will come to pass.

This is illustrated here by Hydrogonia’s Dysfunctional Behaviour (seething resentment that Popular Members are secretly an Elite or – in his own words – ‘inner’ clique laughing at him) then guarantees the feared outcome (a group of members privately-observing him and laughing at his behaviour).

So, having heard everything I’ve said, does everyone now clearly-see the Gamma for what he is?

As such, any Game or Life Advice coming from him is spurious at best. Would you ask John Scalzi or Jordan Owen for advice with women? One thing I’ve observed is the unique high level of disgust and contempt the majority of women have for them. It’s not the annoyance but potential-usefulness of the Beta, it’s utter-revulsion to their sexual attentions. Girls will string a beta along, just in case. They’ll tell Gammas to their face exactly how they feel.

Their inherent social insecurity also guarantees the socialist-style complete denial of observable reality. I mentioned in a previous thread a while ago how my Gamma friend Eeyore back in high school was handed a “We’re Just Friends and Will Only Ever Be Just Friends” letter in class only to ‘correct’ it in front of me to read the opposite and then show me, expecting to go along with his delusion, like I wouldn’t see all the scribbled out and inserted words.

So what are my motivations for exposing him? Well, you can only tolerate an annoyance for so long, particularly as they get more and more emboldened by being rewarded for bad behaviour. The level of discourse here has rapidly-degenerated the last few months. I had reached a decision to let this go, but, Gammas gonna gamma.

Mainly though, I suspect two cases of Psychological Transference: Firstly, my anger towards my ex-collaborator is obviously still psychologically-unresolved. As such, I have Zero Patience with Gamma Bullshit, particularly as I reach my-mid 40’s and seem to have become everybody I know’s Father Figure.

Secondly, an old friend blew his face off with a gun last week, leaving behind his wife and two children. I’m angry at him for doing what he did, for hurting them so, and for being such a bitch arse coward to give in so easily.

Basically, I’m looking for a fight, so, frankly, a highly-visible fuckwit with possibly-suspicious motivations towards sexually-successfully men of the Alt-Right will do.

Thanks for reading. Yes, I know this is all conjecture, and he’ll have a myriad of excuses and no doubt multiple posts explaining exactly I’m wrong – I knew one Narcissist when confronted with the reality of his condition then dismissed the entire field of psychology as well as the conception that there existed any ability to observe behaviour and therefore accurately predict it - but, I ask you to stop and consider something. Do you feel an instinct in your gut that this place somehow seems ‘off’ this year? That nagging feeling that the golden age has passed? That unease that has made multiple members independently comment to me in private that there’s a suspicion we’re being fucked with by somebody, but everyone pointing in different directions?

This is why I wasn’t really that surprised to discover that Hydrogonian co-incidentally reactivates after almost four years of inactivity after his Narcissistic injury exactly nine days before the Forum Meetup Hysteria in February.

Huh, 6,000+ words. Almost Gamma-Worthy. The difference being, I’m not arguing-pointlessly over Not Being Right. Instead, I’m very slowly-and-deliberately drawing a knife across a throat. Want to keep trying my patience, Hydro? If you’re not quite down and out, I’ve got two spares.

#TotallyWorthABan

Hypocritical Muslims again:

http://www.shz.de/regionales/schleswig-h...19956.html

Quote:The Turkish-Islamic community wants to take action against the brothel. From a signature campaign is talk. The bone of contention: prostitutes would be seen with bare breasts directly at the window, so the accusation of the Turkish-Islamic community.

Even the accusation that the road is for children a way to school and at the mosque cared for 170 children and therefore the brothel don't belong there, the owner has of himself: "This is only going from 23 AM. What have to look at this time of children on the street? "

The operator speaks plainly: "The Commercial existed before periods of mosques and churches." Moreover: ". 90 percent of the clients who come to me are Turks"

When you go do several red light districts or areas where prostitutes work and observe it, you see plenty of arabs and turks go there. Of course it don't stop them to talk trash to German women and the purity of Islam. Drink Alcohol, fuck prostitutes but oh my god the dirty Germans eat pork! They are so much better because Muslims. Anyway the legal prostitution did solve for sure a lot problems, if not we had much higher crimes of rape. I don't put blame on guys that go to hookers, but I put blame on hypocritical Muslims.

I'm not going to involved in this AB vs Hydrogonian beef, but claiming that being called out by Tuthmosis for white priviledge is not exactly a knock on Hydro, while under Tuths' reign the forum was quickly turning into an anti-white SJW shitfest. I can show the thread where Hooligan Harry, a great poster with knowledge on Asia, ragequits because of being consistantly taunted and racebaited by members, then Tuth roles in and brings out every word in the SJW playbook about white priviledge. The forum now is ten times more active.

(08-13-2016 02:47 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  This is why I wasn’t really that surprised to discover that Hydrogonian co-incidentally reactivates after almost four years of inactivity after his Narcissistic injury exactly nine days before the Forum Meetup Hysteria in February.

Huh, 6,000+ words. Almost Gamma-Worthy. The difference being, I’m not arguing-pointlessly over Not Being Right. Instead, I’m very slowly-and-deliberately drawing a knife across a throat. Want to keep trying my patience, Hydro? If you’re not quite down and out, I’ve got two spares.

#TotallyWorthABan

Interesting take. While I don't want to stray off the topic too long your observations seem to be correct.

Forums generally can be used quickly by more or less highly-intelligent Gammas as a good tool to collect ego-boosting likes. They can write long essays and even sometimes useful posts, but sooner or later the ship crashes. Especially when they never meet anyone in person who then can vouch for him or when they display their weaknesses for all to see. As for rep points - some get them for well described experiences, then others for meetups and cool times, others for useful posts - some obviously for copying posts from the net or writing solid fiction.

While I haven't spent as much time recently here I like the direction the forum is taking. Calling out bullshit on some of each other's posts is healthy. It keeps you grounded in reality and humble. Also you can never be so wise or smart that you have nothing new to learn.

As for the current beef - sooner or later the more Gamma guy will show his cards for all the forum to see. If the debate was recorded and put on youtube for us to see, then we would quickly see 2 possible outcomes:

a) they are both Red Pill men with Game who actually agree with 90% of viewpoints, disagree on some and go grab a beer together - maybe approach some girls

b) it would become painfully obvious that either one or the other was a paper-Red-Pill-Alpha. The interaction would be awkward since one is shining only in long posts while the other lives more in the real world and just shares his life experiences for some men on a forum for various reasons (online brotherhood, etc.).

Personally I think that most of us have way more in common as to be hung up about some argument (though in this case there may be bigger issues). I've had some beef with members in the past and even a small interaction with Matt Forney. Unfortunately he got banned from Twitter right afterwards after I called upon my Illuminati buddies to do something about him - heh. No - seriously - I agree with Matt on a lot of issues and don't give a rat's ass about some minor disagreements voiced in the hyper-reality of the internet.

So - the best approach is to view everything with healthy detachment, humility, humor, and as little hostility as possible. Still - some of the arguments AB made do sound convincing. Sniffing out potential Gammas is useful. The good thing is that if Gammas understand their nature, then they can potentially become Betas and finally Sigmas, but that takes a lot of self-awareness, even more humility (learning from men who they saw as inferior) and of course a lot of work. The funny thing is that within the PUA world there are multiple former Gammas or lower Betas who have used their minds to rise into a much higher sexual market value and who also became much more happy and Alpha-like in frame.

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