Post: #1

I'm having a little trouble identifying which Mexican women are true balanced mestizos, which are more European/Spanish leaning with their genealogy, which are more Indio stock, and which ones are 100% pure indigenous Indios.

It is said that the Mexican Indios (Mayan, Aztecs, etc) have a distinctive bronze skin complexion, broad faces, short/broad noses and thicker lips. The Spanish/Europeans are obviously taller with pointed noses, but it's tough to tell since many Spaniards tend to have the Southern European features (tan/tinted skin, dark eyes and dark hair, even slightly fuller lips than other Europeans and often slightly shorter than other Euro/Nordic peoples).

Take the following young female examples: Am I getting warm?

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Castizo?


Harnizo?


Balanced Mestizo?


Indio Mestizo?


Indio?

Post: #2

Yep, more or less, however you should account that Mexico not only has Southern European genes, there are genes from Germany, France, Middle-East and some African.

Post: #3

Ha! I think its too late. Mestizos are just too mixed.

I'm Mexican and took a 23andme test and I thought I would have more European blood, since I look more between your version of castizo and harnizo. I came back about 51% Southern European (Spanish), 35% Native American (Amerindian), 10% East Asian, 4% Sub-Suharan African and about 1 to 2% Middle-Eastern.

Don't focus too much on skin color. That's the same mistake I did when I was a Mexico novice. Focus more on features than anything. Even brown people in northern Mexico look vastly different than brown people in southern Mexico. When you go more you'll figure it out.

I met a girl in Zacatecas, Mexico which is north-center of the country and it was one of the cutest brown girls I have ever met. I'll be damn if I didn't approach her because she wasn't more of the whiter ones. That would be a sin haha. I still keep in touch with her.


Here she is:






The one on the left:





When it comes to Mexicans, you can pretty much tell where people are from based on their looks. Oaxaca, the whole Yucatan peninsula, Chiapas and pretty much southern Mexico, the "indio-Meztiso" look you posted is prevalent, mainly Mayan and Aztec. In the north it gets a little tricky because the brown people there are mostly descendants of tribes outside the Mayan and Aztec empire, so the people in the north are going to look a little more different than the south.

Its a little complicated and its very hard to tell how much European blood a Latina has just based on the way they look. My father is white as hell, Pure Spanish guy and my mother is more or less on the browner side. My younger brother looks very white and has often been confused for Italian by his workers, and me I have a slight tan and my littlest brother came out the darkest. Our results from 23andme came back the same regardless of our shades of color.

All in all, you can't really tell. Don't loose sleep over it though. If the bitch is hot, just go for it.

Post: #4

These are good archetypes for illustrative purposes, but in the field it's a bit trickier.

For any of the mestizos, genetic ancestry and phenotype will correlate, but only moderately. Skin color especially is finicky, since it's controlled by just a few genes.

This is because only first generation hybrids are phenotypically stable from a mixture standpoint, and Mexican mestizos tend to have both European and Amerindian ancestry on both sides going back multiple generations.

From Wikipedia:

Quote:Gregor Mendel focused on patterns of inheritance and the genetic basis for variation. In his cross-pollination experiments involving two true-breeding, or homozygous, parents, Mendel found that the resulting F1 generation were heterozygous and consistent. The offspring showed a combination of the phenotypes from each parent that were genetically dominant. Mendel’s discoveries involving the F1 and F2 generations laid the foundation for modern genetics.

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Homogeneity and predictability—The genes of individual plant or animal F1 offspring of homozygous pure lines display limited variation, making their phenotype uniform and therefore attractive for mechanical operations and easing fine population management. Once the characteristics of the cross are known, repeating this cross yields exactly the same result.

In non-first generation mixed families of any background, like Mexican mestizos, you will occasionally get siblings who don't even look like they're the same "race," for the common notion of race. And cousins are often all over the place.

Post: #5

I notice most of mestizos and indios in the south (mayan, zapotec, etc) tend to have big lips and broader faces, whereas the ones in the central and northern regions (Navajo, Puebla, etc) tend to have features more close to American Indians in the US: lighter skin, slightly more pointed noses and less full lips. And it does seem like Mexicans in the north tend to look more white, perhaps because of these Native features and also because of increased amount of Spanish blood?

Read a comment somewhere that Mexico (or New Spain as it was called in colonial times) was colonized from the south upward, with mostly Spanish (followed by French, German, and Dutch) Europeans mixing some with the native peoples before settling more heavily in the northern provinces. This would make sense to me, many Mexicans I see in the north look about 2/3 European, 1/3 Amerindian; and most of the folks in the south, like Oaxaca, look 2/3 Amerindian and 1/3 European. I hadn't heard about other Euros besides the Spaniards being part of the equation. Are Mexicans Euro blood still heavily Spanish, or are some areas more French, German, etc.?

What region do you find people with some black/African ancestry? Near the Yucatan coast I would assume?