Post: #26

(07-26-2015 04:13 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  As a general analysis of the sexes, I think this is spot on and can be condensed into a single principle: Women don't observe because they don't have to.

I can condense this even further:

Quote:Women don't observe because they don't have to.

Post: #27

(07-26-2015 04:50 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I like Neo's perspective of not being resentful but some things women say and do can be funny if you don't take them too seriously.

I knew a couple of attractive strippers once who had been convinced by someone that the large city we lived in had 7 women for every 1 man which would be 87.5% women and 12.5% men. The real numbers for that city were almost exactly 50-50 and those numbers rarely go beyond 53-47 for most cities unless it is something like a military town. One of the girls always complained about how she couldn't go to the grocery store without getting hit on several times but she was convinced there was unfair competition with 7 women for every man in town. Sometimes I think they have a filter that filters out all logic before thoughts can enter their brains.

So, how aware are women of the incel issue amongst men? I don't think they are aware of much of anything at all. There are exceptions like if there is another similarly attractive woman in the room then they will be aware of things like "that bitches shoes don't match her outfit" and "look how thin she is she must be a slut" but that's about it.

It's similar for anyone I would imagine before they do any introspection.

People always assume other people see the world through their own perspective.

For example, you may have a dude who just gets shit right away. So he naturally assumes other people have that ability as well, to pick something up and quickly be at least someone proficient with it.

I learned this when I tried to teach a buddy of mine how to wrestle, I'd pick stuff up after seeing it once or twice. My buddy had a hard time grasping some of the basics.
So I assume when women are approached nonstop, they assume that men too have the same problems. There always being women around chasing them.

So nah, I don't think they have even the foggiest idea about what an incel dude deals with.

Edit*

Seeing tuths picture reminded me, women don't need to observe others. In fact it would probably not help them in the least.

Women need to be able to attract men, so it actually behooves them to focus on their own self over others so that they can get the higher value man that they all desire.

Post: #28

(07-26-2015 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 08:31 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  ...girls refuse to see the difficulties in being in the top 10%.

Girls refuse to acknowledge that the top 10% is in fact the top 10%.

They prefer to refer to the top 10% of men as "normal guys."

i.e. "I just want to date some normal guys who aren't weird."

This goes back to when a girl says, "There are no good men" in her 30s - what she means is "the top 10% no longer want me"

Quote:As time rolls on, women become "choosier," alpha males get more puss (and need to be increasingly more alpha to maintain those levels), betas get less puss (and even lesser than ever because in comparison to the alpha's that 'get it' the divide has become greater.. naturally), entitled women get more entitled.. etc.. There's massive momentum in high numbers, exponentially growing numbers in ALL categories we speak of on these boards.

Goes for the wealth gap too. Rich get richer. There is no 'middle-class' for picking up women anymore. There used to be "Hot", "plain Jane" and "Fat". The plain Janes are disappearing and falling into one of the two categories- and you damn well know which one is increasing in numbers.

Quote:Girls are far more aware of what guys are doing before they hit puberty so the blinders come in time. What is far worse than being ignored is receiving a pat on the head.
I have seen women do this and there is no coming back from it. The pat on the head is the forever banishment of sexual value. An ignored incel is much better off.

Post: #29

(07-26-2015 11:34 PM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 08:31 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  ...girls refuse to see the difficulties in being in the top 10%.

Girls refuse to acknowledge that the top 10% is in fact the top 10%.

They prefer to refer to the top 10% of men as "normal guys."

i.e. "I just want to date some normal guys who aren't weird."

This goes back to when a girl says, "There are no good men" in her 30s - what she means is "the top 10% no longer want me"

This is the problem with a highly illogical, self-centered subset of the population riding the carousel.

They honestly believe that just because the top 10% will willingly sleep with them, that they are in the same marriage market as those men.

The trouble doesn't begin when they hit their 30's. The reality is that these women are only single in their thirties because the never seem to actually lock down one of these "normal guys."

Their first mistake is wanting to ride the carousel. Women in late teens and early twenties are indeed competing with women who are a whole lot older. So a women that at 26, would not be all that competitive against other 26 year olds, at 21, she's a whole lot more competitive than most 26 year olds on virtue of nothing more than her age.

A 31 year old man who has done well will be somewhat interested in locking her down, because he knows that he's got earn himself nearly a decade of sex with youth, even if she's not going to be an 8 at the end of that decade. A woman who miraculously is an 8 at thirty years of age isn't going to be an 8 (or a 7 or a 6) for very long, so the younger woman (even if she's a 7 and 19) is going to be able to take on fast fading 8's and 9's,

Of course, women now rarely maximize on this potential and choose instead to do the trendy thing -- ride the carousel.

Self-deluded as they are, they make the mistake of assuming that just because they are still attracting the attention of the top 10% when they are 25, just like they did when they were 21, that they are still holding strong in the marriage market.

In truth, by 25, they've already lost, although it takes until 30, for the reality to really sink in.

Modern women can't tell the difference between being desirable for a one-night stand and being a legitimate candidate for a lifelong partnership with a man who has worked his ass off to be in the top 10%.

Post: #30

(07-26-2015 11:57 PM)Suits Wrote:  They honestly believe that just because the top 10% will willingly sleep with them, that they are in the same marriage market as those men.

...

In truth, by 25, they've already lost, although it takes until 30, for the reality to really sink in.

Modern women can't tell the difference between being desirable for a one-night stand and being a legitimate candidate for a lifelong partnership with a man who has worked his ass off to be in the top 10%.

It's posts like these that actually make me want to get to 30. So I can laugh at all those delusional bitches sitting at the bottom looking up.



While you're hitting the wall full speed...



I'm running all over it, like prime Bo.

Post: #31

I don't think they really observe or care. They just know their value (but not that it's massively inflated) and they exploit it. Normally, when overseas, they just hang out with other foreigners, until they get sick of being a fraction of their sexual value, and then return home.

The state of affairs of the Western man is an inevitable consequence of the traits of his society.

• Sexual liberalism. In a so called 'hook up', fast no-commitment sex culture, woman only bang the gold-medalist of male attractiveness within her reach (and her reach has now been massively extended with apps like tinder and online dating). After all, why wouldn't she? Exactly like the 'birds of paradise' example previous in this thread. In a society where marriage and creating families is considered important and valued, women place much more emphasis on securing a man rather than just getting banged by the best. This naturally causes more of a pairing-off according to rank, versus a 'king fucks everyone' system.
• Women raised to privileged, 1st class status, by the law. It's no different to the racial privilege system under aparteid South Africa. When a women is given above-equal bargaining power, she doesn't have to worry about the counter-parties wants.
• Welfare. Removal of the reproductive risks associated with bonobo-style reproduction, whereby hardworking men pick up the bill for the playboys reproduction with the sluts.
• Immigration. Because money is more important to men, they tend to immigrate to more wealthy countries for the purpose of earning, more than women do. Hence Western countries receive more male immigration, which the local males then have to compete with, and which puts women in the 'in demand' position by pure numbers.
• Feminist careerism. When a woman is indoctrinated with the idea that career is the most important thing a woman should focus on in her 20s, and that she should leave reproduction until her 30s, there is no real reason for her not to behave like a bonobo and trivialize sex.
• Feminist educationism. The idea that it is important for women to spend large amounts of time and money in education, instead of just marrying before she turns 20.
• Socialism. Without a free-market, it is much more difficult for a man to start his own business or contracting services, so that he can better control the way his income fits into his life. On top of this he'll be taxed heavily. This leads to him being anchored into his sexual market place, because it is too difficult for him to leave when he has no money and his income is tied into his difficult-to-get corporate job. I think the trend of guys trying to make money online is because of this.
  

Basically, most incels exist because of outright evil perpetrated upon them by their government (in a very indirect and insidious manner). They simply don't understand why their position is so bad, so many of them blame it on themselves. Their clueless and delinquent parents don't help them either.

I'd go as far as to say that modern Western states, are to men what they previously were to blacks. Evil, oppressive, enslavers, who force men to slave away and use the products of that slavery to sustain the system of enslavement.

My prediction from this, is that there is going to be an increasing trend of Western men trying to form business concerns with emigration in mind.

Post: #32

(07-26-2015 11:17 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 04:13 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  As a general analysis of the sexes, I think this is spot on and can be condensed into a single principle: Women don't observe because they don't have to.

I can condense this even further:

Quote:Women don't observe because they don't have to.

So basically you're saying that woman literally can't even?

G

Post: #33

(07-27-2015 02:04 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

• Sexual liberalism. In a so called 'hook up', fast no-commitment sex culture, woman only bang the gold-medalist of male attractiveness within her reach (and her reach has now been massively extended with apps like tinder and online dating). After all, why wouldn't she? Exactly like the 'birds of paradise' example previous in this thread. In a society where marriage and creating families is considered important and valued, women place much more emphasis on securing a man rather than just getting banged by the best. This naturally causes more of a pairing-off according to rank, versus a 'king fucks everyone' system.

There's actually an evolutionary basis for this behaviour.

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150204/s...08242.html

(At the risk of appeal to authority, note the publication: Nature, rather than the Journal of Bumfuck Psychology Quarterly.)

The salience, significance, and profound nature of the study is apparent from its extract:

Quote:We hypothesize that risk aversion in this gamble is beneficial as an adaptation to living in small groups, and find that a preference for risk averse strategies only evolves in small populations of less than 1,000 individuals, or in populations segmented into groups of 150 individuals or fewer – numbers thought to be comparable to what humans encountered in the past. We observe that risk aversion only evolves when the gamble is a rare event that has a large impact on the individual's fitness. As such, we suggest that rare, high-risk, high-payoff events such as mating and mate competition could have driven the evolution of risk averse behavior in humans living in small groups.

What this study demonstrates is that risk aversion is an adaptation to circumstances. That is: women only start taking up "Mr Acceptable If Not Quite Right" on his marriage proposals when there's a solid chance that failing to do so will result in them never securing any Mr, let alone Mr Right. This typically starts to happen in small communities of under 1,000 individuals or so, according to the study.

This explains why in isolated rural communities you see providers valued as much as if not more than lotharios -- because the risk aversion part of the brain kicks in and the woman understands at a fundamental biological if not intellectual level that Cletus McCoy is her only real shot at safety and security. This is mainly because the available pool of suitors is much smaller, thus women will grab onto providers at a much earlier age in order to secure their ability to have children.

The Western world, then, has truly suffered the curse of success because it's removed any sense of physical isolation from the rest of the species, provided birth control, extended the notional period for childbearing viability, and provided a myriad of alternative options to women for partners.

That being so, risk averse behaviour all but disappears out of the woman's behaviour and risk taking behaviour -- riding the carousel, jumping into a long career -- becomes more prominent. And just as similarly, when a woman hits 30+ and the biological clock starts ringing, this risk taking behaviour starts to decline and she starts looking around for a husband ... thus creating the array of men locked down for beta bux, even if her real desire remains to get fucked by the alpha.

This is also significant since, while evolution takes many thousands of generations to have an impact on civilisation, it has an impact nonetheless. Risk taking behaviour might advance the species, but in large groups it seems genetically-programmed suicide: observe the declining birth rates in virtually every advanced Western country versus the stable or higher birth rates in third world or second world nations.

Post: #34

(07-26-2015 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 08:31 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  ...girls refuse to see the difficulties in being in the top 10%.

Girls refuse to acknowledge that the top 10% is in fact the top 10%.

They prefer to refer to the top 10% of men as "normal guys."

i.e. "I just want to date some normal guys who aren't weird."

They're looking at men through hypergamy goggles, which magically filter out all but the 10% crème of the crop.

But the interesting thing for me is how this was not always the case even in the Anglosphere and still isn't in much of the rest of the world, in that the need for game and the attendant peacocking simply doesn't arise, or at least to nowhere near the same insane level as in the UK, US, Australia, et.c.. (Compare here the difficulty for "average guys" to get laid in Poland or South America or South East Asia with the difficulty in the Anglosphere: It's a different world that I wouldn't have imagined if I hadn't experienced it myself, although the question for me is how much longer this will remain the case).

Traditional societal constraints acted as a check on women's natural hypergamous instincts and reflected the wisdom of many generations of men and women that a hypergamy completely unchained would ultimately lead to all manner of societal ills and eventually its downfall. Now that these constraints have been thrown overboard in the Anglosphere, we are reverting to a state of nature in which the winner-takes-all and the rest are left with crumbs, and increasing numbers of guys with not even that, as is the case with many species of animals. Many guys on this forum, though, seem to think that the conditions we now have regressed to in the Anglosphere were always the case and this is not true.

My point isn't to whinge about this, but rather to draw attention to an interesting shift in the cultural landscape in the West over the last few decades and to consider how best to respond to it, mostly through considering the question of whether it makes more sense now to look only outside of the Anglosphere for quality women, et.c.

It's as much an interest for me to grasp this phenomenon philosophically as it is to forge actionable advice on the back of it; in fact, you first have to analyse a situation correctly if you're to form a plan of action to respond to the obstacles you've identified, so I don't see the two approaches as mutually exclusive at all but rather as complementary.

I'm also not saying Game isn't the way to go, which, in my book, is the ultimate route to self-improvement and which has also helped me enormously over the last 6 months since digesting the red pill. Practicing Game in the Anglosphere, especially in the UK or US, is like a boot camp which will sharpen your skills to such a high level that by transferring those skills to countries such as Poland you're almost guaranteed to reap rewards if you genuinely put in the work beforehand.

Post: #35

(07-26-2015 11:17 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 04:13 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  As a general analysis of the sexes, I think this is spot on and can be condensed into a single principle: Women don't observe because they don't have to.

I can condense this even further:

Quote:Women don't observe because they don't have to.

Yes, the principle that I mentioned is but a particular case of the more general principle that women act like they do because they can. When they're not compelled through force of necessity to reflect on their actions, they don't.

Post: #36

(07-26-2015 04:25 PM)Neo Wrote:  They definitely don't have a realistic view about how men have it. But really it's futile to think about and imo just creates resentment.

That's life, that's reality. But because that is our reality we're also tougher, and have much stronger characters. T

Good point. Nature doesn't negotiate, so there's no use throwing a tantrum about Her rules.

I've thought similar thoughts to yours in terms of
"Men find out nobody give a shit about them when they're teenagers, women find out when they're 45."

or

"Men get the bad news early. "

I myself prefer to have gotten the bad news first, I would feel cheated if I had gone through life thinking people liked me then realized they only liked my tits, while they lasted.

Post: #37

Women know there are incels but they don´t really give a fuck. They think these men are not deserving of a woman. They are pathetic in their eyes. It´s a bit like for us redpillers, the fatties or the feminist freaks. Most of us here, don´t even look at them. And we don´t feel bad about it. Neither do women.

Post: #38

Sure women like sex as much as men, but unlike women, men have extreme amounts of thirst, more so than women. See women pedestalise alphas, average men(not alphas) pedestalise women in general.

(07-27-2015 08:02 AM)freeuser Wrote:  Women know there are incels but they don´t really give a fuck. They think these men are not deserving of a woman. They are pathetic in their eyes. It´s a bit like for us redpillers, the fatties or the feminist freaks. Most of us here, don´t even look at them. And we don´t feel bad about it. Neither do women.

Except men will still bang a fatties while women won't even give an incel head due to hypergamy..

Even one of my red pill friends has a fattie come over, just because she gives good head and leave immediately for free ,and this is only cause he is in a slum.

He was telling me how there are actually guys that would bang her and both of us cannot fathom what kind of low self esteem thirsty man would bang a fattie who's only sexual purpose to a average or above average man is to give head for free while doing fairy dust for free.

Post: #39

(07-27-2015 08:45 AM)Lucario Wrote:  Sure women like sex as much as men, but unlike women, men have extreme amounts of thirst, more so than women. See women pedestalise alphas, average men(not alphas) pedestalise women in general.

(07-27-2015 08:02 AM)freeuser Wrote:  Women know there are incels but they don´t really give a fuck. They think these men are not deserving of a woman. They are pathetic in their eyes. It´s a bit like for us redpillers, the fatties or the feminist freaks. Most of us here, don´t even look at them. And we don´t feel bad about it. Neither do women.

Except men will still bang a fatties while women won't even give an incel head due to hypergamy..

Even one of my red pill friends has a fattie come over, just because she gives good head and leave immediately for free ,and this is only cause he is in a slum.

He was telling me how there are actually guys that would bang her and both of us cannot fathom what kind of low self esteem thirsty man would bang a fattie who's only sexual purpose to a average or above average man is to give head for free while doing fairy dust for free.

Sure, there are plenty of cases of what you describe in my locality, Teesside in the North East of England. In which country are you basing your observations, by the way?

Post: #40

It's no wonder considering our culture tells us all women are beautiful and can do no wrong, while all men are creepy, potential rapists.

Leonardo DiCaprio is creepy for having a buffet of young supermodels surrounding him, but Tess Munster is beautiful despite being morbidly obese.

They overuse and misapply the term 'creepy', and make a complete mockery of the term 'beautiful'. No wonder so many ugly, fat and obnoxious women exist. Their whole existence is fully endorsed by our media.

In the end, it is and will continue to create a lot of depressed married women, resentful that their husbands aren't what they think they deserve. But even more so, it is and will continue to create a lot of angry cat ladies, who will continue to wonder "where all the good men are". And the answer is always "fucking women a helluva lot more attractive than you".

Post: #41

(07-27-2015 03:53 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  observe the declining birth rates in virtually every advanced Western country versus the stable or higher birth rates in third world or second world nations.

I think the biggest fuel for the degeneracy has been contraception. Prior to this, contraception was universally done by pullout, which has a much smaller self-restraint margin:

Quote:In England in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, 20% of all brides were pregnant at the time of the wedding (Godbeer 3).
...
But by the mid-18th-c, however, premarital sex was much more common. Over 40% of married women were giving birth less than 8 1/2 months after marriage (Domestic Revolutions 19).
...
[On the Southern Colonies] Premarital sex: many women who did formally wed were already visibly pregnant. Charles Boschi, who served as the parson of St. Bartholomew's Parish in SC from 1745--1747, reported that 'all except two or three of the brides whom he had married were pregnant' (Godbeer 129).

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ance...l_sex.html

In today's West, there is little self-restraint involved. With a multitude of highly fail-safe contraception methods widely being used, from chicks having a hormone thing implanted in their arm, to mechanic gadgets jammed in their womb, to reproduce both parties basically have to be deliberately, consciously intending to do so. Couple that with the fact that no one in their lives is encouraging them to do so, and that society seems actively against it, and that the response to pregnancy is often 'should we kill it?', sub-replacement birth rates are basically an outright cultural decision.

Post: #42

(07-26-2015 04:12 PM)N°6 Wrote:  There isn't a day that goes by before I see a man who has quite obviously put some effort into his appearance, physique and profession who is unequally yoked with an ox.

The older woman thing started online where a man in his early twenties has a similar market value to a woman of a certain age. Young men online found that a new car was out of their reach so they were forced to buy a used car. There used to be a gulf between online and real life but women's online market value seems to have been translated to real life thanks to smart phone social media. It is sad because British men's market value on the international markets is quite high but unfortunately British men are drunk and too lazy to learn a foreign language.

To answer your question, women are surely aware that in nearly every club and bar and on every dating site, there is an abundance of men. They are naturally going to raise their selling price. British men's historical thirst has the same affect that cheap mortgages had on the subprime housing market, it caused the overvaluing of poor property. Once a house is bought for a certain price, the vendor is likely to resist selling it again at a lower price.

So, in a nutshell, British men have to pay more to get less.

What you said about the spillover effect of online dating into the real life dating market is on the money. I've noticed that as more and more women start to use online dating platforms, as well as become attention whores on sundry social media sites, it has the effect of raising the price of all women offline, too. When I stopped using internet dating sites because of the poor ROI, I soon realized that women I was hitting on in real life were becoming just as solipsistic and entitled as the ones I used to encounter online.

Post: #43

To be fair I don't really notice incels either... since I hang out with guys who get laid a lot. Even if I do go out at nightlife there's lots of cool guys with women there.

I only notice them when I hang around in a social circle setting and meet these average dudes who have 0 swag and don't get laid ever. Otherwise my brain is focused on all the dudes getting laid left and right and I'm thinking about how I can up my game.

Post: #44

(07-26-2015 04:35 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  doesn't the need to at least avoid men occasion in them a reflective moment that makes them aware of the ocean of thirst beckoning them?


Sure it does and the reflective moment manifests as "Why do all the creeps have to check me out?...ewww" ...not in any kind of empathy

Agreed, and additionally I think women see creepy behavior as a deliberate attempt to creep them out and irritate them, rather than a desperate, clumsy attempt to get laid. So having a desperate guy hit on them doesn't make them think, "Wow, there are a lot incels out there, poor guys," it makes them think "Wow, men hate women and want to make us feel uncomfortable."

You see this in feminist discussions of pickup artistry: "the last thing we need is PUA's teaching more guys how to creep women out." As if PUA's were out there trying make women uncomfortable and put them off, instead of trying to find what works.

Post: #45

(07-27-2015 08:50 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  Sure, there are plenty of cases of what you describe in my locality, Teesside in the North East of England. In which country are you basing your observations, by the way?

Melbourne, Australia.

Leftist dump of Australia, even Toronto was better( I went to Toronto).

Cold approaches are still doable, but you have to spent plenty of time in the interaction since and go mostly for asains/eurasians.

There is a huge hatred amongst this society of a man over 30 dating a women below 24 years of age here aswell.

I heard UK was pretty bad, does any of this exist in the UK ?

Post: #46

Feldeinsamkeit, have you thought about using POF or OKC to search for women whose second language is English?

I would also suggest going to a Meet Up group which is designed for non-native English speakers do attain conversational English. As a native English speaker, you'll DHV just by opening your mouth. You'll likely meet someone you like.

I do agree with you that nearly every national or racial group in England seems to like men more than White British women. I hate to say it but it seems to be true..

White British women are like the UK's housing stock which is about 20-30% over-valued and the demand for which is met by a chronic under-supply. There is little incentive to improve the quality of new or aged housing because its value is based on land prices which keep going upwards as demand increases due to fragmented families and immigration and greenbelt planning restrictions. Across the Anglosphere, show me over-priced Anglo women and I will show you a domestic real estate market that has no relationship to average wages.

Cue middle class, White women who are rich enough to spend years doing unproductive SJW degrees accusing me of using my White privilege to accost women with...

Post: #47

You may be struggling now but just wait!!!

I get big laughs inside at my dance classes watching the 35+ year old women sitting on the side of the class.... Thirstier for attention than the most beta d&d player. Nothing is better than walking up and then veering to ask the <25 old girls to dance... I'm getting very good, so now even those girls have to compete with younger girls for my time.

I'm also experiencing girls saying "if I get to X age we should just get married", these are 7+ girls who are realising at 25-26 that the wall cometh, and that I'm more alpha than they are likely to ever lock down - even though I'm at best a situational lesser alpha due to my looks.

Enjoy the decline boys!! You're appreciating while they depreciate..... Your value will exceed that of most 7s on a long enough time line. Especially when they get fat....

Post: #48

(07-28-2015 12:53 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Feldeinsamkeit, have you thought about using POF or OKC to search for women whose second language is English?

I would also suggest going to a Meet Up group which is designed for non-native English speakers do attain conversational English. As a native English speaker, you'll DHV just by opening your mouth. You'll likely meet someone you like.

I do agree with you that nearly every national or racial group in England seems to like men more than White British women. I hate to say it but it seems to be true..

White British women are like the UK's housing stock which is about 20-30% over-valued and the demand for which is met by a chronic under-supply. There is little incentive to improve the quality of new or aged housing because its value is based on land prices which keep going upwards as demand increases due to fragmented families and immigration and greenbelt planning restrictions. Across the Anglosphere, show me over-priced Anglo women and I will show you a domestic real estate market that has no relationship to average wages.

Cue middle class, White women who are rich enough to spend years doing unproductive SJW degrees accusing me of using my White privilege to accost women with...

I'm already a member of quite a few Meet Up groups (and I already help to run the one for philosophy) in my area and have been using these as a way of running social circle game on women that I encounter, without much success, which has been enormously frustrating, I can tell you.

A big problem I encounter is a lack of women in the 30-40 age range, which is the range I'd be looking at for a relationship and this seems to be a trend across lots of social groups in my area, I've noticed.

But the main problem, as you describe in your post, isn't even the obesity issue but rather the toxic quality of most British women's character: Selfish and more often than not utterly self-absorbed, noticeably misandric, narcissistic, snarky and often stand off-ish and generally just rather unpleasant to interact with. As I'm looking for more than a SNL, even the couple of decent-looking women that expressed an interest in me at the philosophy Meet Up group I reluctantly had to walk away from, since their personalities were simply too toxic for me to want to get involved with.

I have now come to the conclusion that one of the things that is really getting in the way of me getting into a relationship with an English woman is the fact that I'm not willing or even capable of adapting to their shitty personalities. I can honestly say that I am now only interested in dating non-British women, since I can't possibly see 99% of English women as viable long-term relationship material. Incidentally, my ex of 11 years was German and prior to her most of the girls I had success with at university were Europeans - Greeks, French and Germans, so that even at an early age I found British women to be insufferable in comparison to foreign women, who were much more pleasant to interact, culturally sophisticated and far more receptive to male interest generally. Fortunately for me the first university I attended in Wales had a strong contingent of foreign girls.

As there is no Meet Up group for conversational English for foreigners in my area, I might well set one up myself and see what happens, since your suggestion sounds like it might well yield some results, so thanks for that idea. Incidentally, are you British? Have you already tried using the Meet Up for conversational English yourself?

Post: #49

(07-28-2015 05:30 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  As there is no Meet Up group for conversational English for foreigners in my area, I might well set one up myself and see what happens, since your suggestion sounds like it might well yield some results, so thanks for that idea. Incidentally, are you British? Have you already tried using the Meet Up for conversational English yourself?

I haven't been to a conversational class but I accidentally found one in my neighbouring city when I was browsing Meet Up for any black tie events (which are usually attended more by women - hence my interest). The Meet Up charges English learners £2 per session while native English speakers can attend free. There were quite a few EE and Spanish women on the attendance sheet, none of whom are likely to spurn a conversation with a native English speaker.

The secret about European women in the UK is that they can go many years living in the UK without many British friends - especially when British women are so stand-offish to them.

I am British (but not English) and a significant portion of my adult life was spent in France and it is this as well as the relative iciness of British women that allows me to build a rapport with European women.

Post: #50

Really good points are brought up about music that I've been noticing lately too. I don't listen to the radio much, as I prefer to listen to soundtracks and scores with no lyrics for the most part, but the few times I turned on the radio, all the songs are about women. The female artists would have some ratchety sounding chick singing "I'm worth it" or Taylor Swift essentially singing about her notch count, then you have the guys like Sam Smith singing about being cucked, and John Legend singing the pedestalization anthem "All of Me". It's crazy. I miss the time way back when Michael Jackson sang about world issues like peace and conserving the earth or older rap talking about coming up.