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What Kind of Suit Should I Buy: A Datasheet
Found this article on how to choose and buy a suit on StyleForum.net, a forum that I occasionally post on and prolly one of the most known source on information on classic menswear. Thought it would help the guys that suit up.
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Wondering about suits and how to fit them? You've come to the right place. First, what is a suit? A suit comprises a jacket and pants in the same fabric. Do not buy a jacket or pants separately and then go looking for a matching piece whose fabric is just “close enough”. A suit is bought as two (or three) pieces together, in exactly the same fabric. That settled, how to decide between the myriad suits available? There are four basic areas in which to assess a suit – fabric, construction, fit, and styling. You should consider all these aspects of a suit before deciding on which to buy.

The advice in this article will be geared towards someone buying a small number of suits that he hopes will serve him well in a variety of different settings.


FABRIC
The suit should be made of 100% wool, no elastan, no polyester. Do not be tempted by cotton or linen or cashmere suits. They do have their place in a large wardrobe, but they are not for starter professional wardrobes.

Since you’ll be starting off with suits that you’ll want to wear year-round, get a medium-weight wool (say, somewhere between 9 and 13 oz). Most suits on the market fall in this category so don’t get worried unless the suit seems particularly thin or heavy.

The fabric should be worsted wool, meaning that it is smooth to the touch instead of feeling woolly and hairy like a sweater. An exception to this is woolen flannel, which is acceptable as an alternative to worsted in all but the most formal of office settings. The difficulty is that woolen fabric is quite warm, so if you live somewhere with hot weather, is a less attractive option. But if after 3 medium-weight worsted suits you purchased a woollen as your 4th and a lighter weight suit (with some mohair in it, for instance – mohair makes a suit wear cooler) as a 5th, you’d be better prepared for particularly extreme days and have somewhat more variability in your wardrobe. Avoid fabrics that are above “Super 120s” as they will wear out too quickly.

As discussed previously, the fabric should be a solid color, at least for your first three suits. Again, you want to be ready for all suit-wearing situations. It helps if each suit goes with as many different shirts and ties as possible. Patterned suits go with fewer shirts and ties than solid suits. And there are virtually no situations in modern life where the more casual patterned suit is appropriate, but a solid suit is not.


CONSTRUCTION
The fabric you see on the outside of a suit jacket is far from the only cloth that is used in its construction. Inside the chest and the lapels are pieces of cloth that give the jacket its structure. What these pieces are and how they are attached to the rest of the jacket is the main differentiator of construction quality between suit jackets.

The lowest quality jackets are made with a piece of “fusible” interlining that is glued to the front of the jacket. This results in a stiff chest and roll of the lapel. Fused jackets also may have reduced longevity, although there has been significant improvement in fusing technology in recent decades, such that this may no longer be true. Older fused jackets were infamous for having the interfacing separate from the body fabric after many dry cleanings, with awful and obvious 'bubbling' ruining the jacket.

Higher quality jackets are made “half-canvassed”, meaning that the chest piece and lapels are constructed with a canvas interior, which is then sewn to the rest of the jacket. Below the chest, fusible is used, but this is less problematic in the “skirt” (lower part of the jacket) than upper areas. Finally, jackets of the highest quality are fully canvassed, but most of these will be extremely expensive.

Of course there are many other ways in which one jacket can be better made than another, but the divide between fused and half-canvassed is by far the most important one, and is also highly correlated with the others. If your jacket is half-canvassed, you can be sure you’re buying at least a decent quality garment. If your jacket is fused, you can be equally sure it is of shoddy construction.

Construction quality has a loose correlation to price. Many highly priced brands (e.g. all but the highest quality Armani, Hugo Boss) sell fused jackets. Spending even $2,000 is no guarantee of avoiding a fused jacket. So you have to do your own investigation. You can employ the “pinch test” around one of the higher buttonholes to see if you can feel a third piece of fabric floating in between the two sides. Alternatively, you can ask the salesperson. It’s possible they won’t know or won’t even know what you’re asking, in which case you should not listen to anything else they tell you. But the minimally informed salesperson will be able to give you this information.

Commonly recommended brands that offer half-canvas suits at a reasonable price include Suit Supply (~$500), Brooks Brothers 1818 (~$1k retail, but frequent sales). eHaberdasher’s Benjamin line (~$500) offers fully canvassed suits which are very reasonably priced.


FIT
Now we get to the hard part. Everyone’s body is different. Even at a retailer with a wide range of different fit types like Brooks Brothers, there may not be a jacket that fits you particularly well, no matter which size you choose. You may have to try a couple of makers before you find the one that suits you best.

Some of this misfittery can be remedied by any tailor. Almost every suit you buy will need to have the length of the sleeves and the pants changed. These are simple operations. Everyone has their own method for determining the correct sleeve length. The estimable Guido Wongolini suggest that you begin by standing straight with arms at your sides, then lift your hands so that your palms are facing towards the floor, perpendicular to your body. The jacket’s sleeves should then just rest on the back of your hand. This should result in ¼” to ½” of your dress shirt’s sleeve showing. Pants should be hemmed so that they have little or no break, if they have an appropriately tapered leg (a leg opening of no more than say 18” in circumference). The waist of the trouser can usually be taken in or let out by about 2”.

Adjusting the collar is a more complicated procedure. Your suit jacket’s collar should remain affixed to your shirt’s collar behind your neck at all times. Separation between the two is referred to as “gapping”. In a bespoke Savile Row suit you might be able to play a round of golf without experiencing any gapping. This is harder to achieve with a ready-to-wear garment, but at least see if you can get the jacket not to gap, then walk around the room, sit down, stand up, and see if you’ve got any gapping. If gapping is a problem, a tailor may be able to fix it, but you might be going down a road with no end. Your life will be easier if you buy jackets that have no gapping problems off the rack. To examine the next part of collar fit, you’ll need a mirror or a friend for this one. Look to see if there are horizontal lines on your back, underneath the collar. If so, you’ll need the collar lowered. This is a reasonably simple, low-risk procedure. This could be accomplished by most tailors, but probably not your typical dry cleaner’s/alterations shop. It should cost around $40-50.

The next three points of fit are crucial. If one of them is off, step away from the jacket. No tailor can help you. They are the waist, the shoulders, and the length.


STYLING
Styling refers to the decorative elements of the jacket that are unrelated to fit. Number of buttons, pockets, breasts, that sort of thing. If you’re starting out buying suits, you’ll want to buy a classically styled suit. Pants can be single-pleated, double-pleated, or flat front, cuffed or uncuffed. Once you get more experience you can decide whether and in what way to deviate from what is below.

The suits that will never elicit any raised eyebrows are two or three-button single breasted jackets, with two flap pockets, notch lapels, and dual back vents. Generally, two button or three-roll-two (meaning the top button is never meant to be buttoned) are preferred, but a “hard three” (roll to the top button, with the top button intended to be used) is perfectly acceptable, especially if you are tall. Lapels are of moderate width, reaching approximately half-way to your shoulders.

Relatively innocent deviations include absence of vents, ticket pockets, welted pockets. If you like them, go for it on one or two of your suits. Double-breasted suits and peak lapels on single-breasted suits are dandifications. Hold off on them until you know what you’re doing. A single vent, though acceptable, is an inelegant deviation, as it creates an awkward splitting of the rear of the jacket when you put your hands in your pocket.
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Hey, great post.

One website I've seen that are able to make "made to measure" suits at a reasonable price is Black Lapel (http://blacklapel.com/). I don't have any experience with them yet, but my next suit will probably be from them. I haven't seen any particularly negative opinions on them, so I'm inclined to give them a shot - especially because they have a fairly lenient return policy.

Has anyone here used them before?

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Right now my "go to" suit is a Navy MTM from Canada. I've got no complaints: the fabric is fantastic, the fit is fantastic, and overall it looks as good as if not better than the more expensive suits the Wall Street types I've met wear. Only downside is that the standard buttons sew is too flimsy to last long if you leave the bottom button open(as you should). Redo it yourself with double-strength thread.

I've also got a cheaper indoChino suit that gets here tomorrow. We'll see how it goes.
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I keep two interview suits and a bunch of blazers that go with wool slacks, khaki slacks or blue and or black jeans - I wear black jeans a lot for nicer venues that do not let in blue jeans - upscale restaurants or clubs.

The suits are both American business tailored and cut two piece no vests, pleated and cuffed trousers and 3 button standard suits one dark navy blue wool narrow pin stripe and one charcoal grey. Also an extra black suit and a tux for Benefit events crawling with gowned up and DTF ladies.
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Astor and Black is good for custom suit
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Has anyone bought a suit from combatant genlteman?

The quality looks legit despite the low price
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I love Hugo boss suits

They cost anywhere from 600 to 1000, awesome cuts as well.
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If you're an Indian or Chinese guy, a good thing to do is to get suits cut "back home" for cheap. That's how I got 3 perfectly fitted suits I've been rocking for a couple years.
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(07-24-2015 08:41 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  I love Hugo boss suits

They cost anywhere from 600 to 1000, awesome cuts as well.

I've had some bad experiences with Boss suits, although some of them look sharp, they started to look worn very quickly, even fall apart a bit.
They can be had cheaper, check out the current sale:
http://www.hugoboss.com/uk/sale-men-suits/
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Boss has lowered the quality of its clothing over the years. I think Boss suits are overpriced.

I get loads of compliments from a cheap DKNY suit I bought at a outlet store in New York state, it is a medium grey but fits like a glove. Of course my accessories make the suit look more expensive.

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(07-24-2015 08:31 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  Has anyone bought a suit from combatant genlteman?

The quality looks legit despite the low price

I have, decent stuff. Got the navy basic one slim fit. $250 I believe. It would be great, except that for me, the crotch seam of the pants are way too small and it digs into my junk every time I sit down and I'm constantly having to fidget with it. The problem was that the waist was the right size but the legs too straight, but one size up the waist was too big and the legs were comfortable. I can see it fitting for the right person. All their suits are notch lapel too which bugs me, but is a complete me being weird like that type of thing, since I prefer peak lapels.

They are now my almost exclusive provider of button downs though. So consistently cheap, and the slim fits actually fit me like a glove. They're basically fitted shirts that cost $30-45 each! Banana

Free tie with every purchase too, so I've arbitraged that to the maximum. Even if I want 5 shirts, I'll place five separate orders, and use the code TWITTER each time. Free tie. Boom.

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Thanks swug, good info right there. I'm gonna have to pick up a charcoal slim fit and a couple of shirts from them pretty soon. I'm about 155lbs 6'0 so hopefully I won't have too many fitment issues. Their suits seem every bit as nice as Hugo Boss or DKNY, maybe even better.
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Hopefully not dude, let me know how it works out for you. The jacket fits great, no complaints there, just the styling. I'm 6'0, 175, getting unskinny fat so I'm in the bulging out phase before the final round of cutting and recomping.

Size 42R, pants 34 is what I got from them, and size 16 neck, since they do something weird where they only do neck size and not arm length too.

I'm really looking forward to getting an indochino suit. It's my gift to myself for this summer internship.
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Essential navy $449
Two button
Peak lapel slim
Pick stitching
Two vent
Flat pockets jetted
Ticket pocket
Flat front pants no cuff medium break

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Oddly enough I only bought a Boss suit at the weekend.

I think they are durable enough for once a week wear without too many problems.

I'm not sure about the rest of the World but here in the UK Boss Sales seem to happen every five minutes...I would never buy one at full price for this reason. The Sale prices seem about right to me for the quality you get.

Mine was £700 supposedly before reduction down to £379; nice fitting grey thing. Won't need more than a slight alteration at the tailor's too.
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Thought I'd revise this thread since I just picked up my first Ermenegildo Zegna suit, Gmanifest would be proud.

Before picking it up I researched a lot on StyleForum and found this helpful suit brand to quality spreadsheet. Check it out
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(01-12-2017 02:31 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  Thought I'd revise this thread since I just picked up my first Ermenegildo Zegna suit, Gmanifest would be proud.

Before picking it up I researched a lot on StyleForum and found this helpful suit brand to quality spreadsheet. Check it out

Did you make this sheet? or did you find it on SF? I read a lot on SF but never saw this sheet. Thanks.

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Found it on styleforum. Yeah I just started browsing it lightly.
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The problem with a chart like that is that the person who put it together is going on impressions and secondhand information.

When I take a look at the brand which I know, Brooks Brothers, I see that it is full of errors. Golden Fleece and the 1818 line should not be on the same level. GF is full canvas but 1818 (listed as full canvas) is half canvas construction. 1818 and GF are made in both Italy and the US. Some 1818 is even made in Thailand and China. Black Fleece suits have been made in the US, Italy and Romania.

Generally speaking, SF is a great site and if you want to up your game in the area of attire it is the place to go.
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From what I saw it was quickly put together by a guy near the end of the thread. The thread is about 200 pages long so he probably skimmed through and took the average of what everyone was saying. I think anywhere in the mid to high end range on that spreadsheet could be considered a good buy and anything below it is recommended to avoid.
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I think it all comes down to the tailor that you're visiting. I happen to visit BKK at one point in my life and I went to Tailor On Ten. They won several awards as the best tailor in BKK. It was such a good experience making a suit with them. I bought a Holland and Sherry suit based on the template of a "Harvey Specter suit". They will advise you on the fabric, cut, design, and other minor details.
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