Post: #51

I met one in Santa Barbara, California. She was tiny like a Chinese woman but had the "big face". She was very playful, caring, motherly and loved to take it raw as mentioned before. I am black so I guess I found one outside of her country more open to the idea.

Post: #52

Its a pretty boring place for tourists, not much to see but the nature and a few towns etc.

I usually run into the richer ones travelling, usually with a man or boyfriend, hard to game.

I not really into the look myself.

Post: #53

Rat - you could not be more correct. Mongolia truly is not a place for sight seeing. UB can be done in a day, and after that, there is very little unless you arrive for one of the festivals (i.e., Naadam). If you play your cards right, the sex tourism could be good. As previously stated, stay away from the haunts frequented by hookers. They are of low value, and you will be disappointed - not to mention, foreigners who frequent these places are open game. Keep in mind, the Mongolian ladies are not quick to give it away as in other cultures. You may have to work for it for a while, however if you have a little game, you will get the prize. If you are after the "Club Bed" experience, I would suggest Poland or Ukraine. If you want the chance to land a major "hottie" with out pulling out your best stuff, Estonia or Finland.

Post: #54

This thread had me pining for the body of a tall Mongol I used to bang.

I set out this week on my daily business to keep my eyes peeled for one. I found one today, going out with her next week.

Tall, long legs, small waist, flat stomach and big tits. Curvy, would make good invader babies. Typical Mongol though, a 6 without makeup, an 8.5 dolled up.

Post: #55

I disagree that Mongolia is not a place for tourists.

A night staying in a yurt in Terej national park was a great experience. They'll cook you a traditional meal, you can go horse riding, and they even have golf. Not too far from the capital either.

Post: #56

(07-17-2015 12:45 AM)rungoodinc Wrote:  There's a decent amount of Mongolians in Korea. I met them at walker hill casino (foreigners only casino) and I also met a few Mongolian girls at the clubs before.

also they are at Dongdaemoon cultural center station area where "little russia"/ Stans (c asians, and russians) district is at

Post: #57

I was having lunch with a young Irish lad yesterday at Café Amsterdam in UB and thought of all of you on this forum who may want to hook-up with a Mongolian lady(s) if you ever decide to tramp through UB. Additionally, If you are ever in UB, I highly recommend Café Amsterdam, across from the State Department Store – good place to walk inside and feel you are in a western café/coffee shop. Anyhow, my teacher bloke is a linguist and landed a short-term job as a teacher of English at Mongolian State University of Education (MSUE). He is only 24, and wants to spend his remaining two years traveling through a couple of other countries before returning to Ireland and getting a real job. I’m usually very busy with my work, however, when I have a little downtime, he is a great guy to throw a couple of beers back and even better conversationalist (when you think of a likable Irish guy a gift-of-the-gab, he is the poster child). You will find when you are away somewhere as distant and foreign as Mongolia, having someone to sit and relax with, swapping war stories with from time to time can be calming.

Anyhow, one of the things we both have in common is an appreciation for the female population here in UB. I do not wish this to sound disparaging, however, the Mongolian ladies seem to have inherited all of the good stuff from the “Great Khan”. It’s difficult to explain, however, the men tend to be very unmotivated for the most part (not all) and do not take good care of themselves. Because of the economy improving exponentially due to mining soaring again, the ladies seem much more inspired to improve themselves. For example, I work out whenever I am able at the “Flex Gym” in UB (it’s where I met my Irish bloke). The Mongolian ladies outnumber their men 9-1 when I am in gym, and maybe more. The only Mongolian men I ever see in there are the more educated, businessmen. The men are not big drinkers contrary to popular belief, and in fact consume less than we do in the USA. However, they seem depressed and uninspired is the best I can explain. Just letting you know, the secret is out on Mongolian ladies to me all over the world especially China and South Korea. More affluent Chinese and South Koreans prefer the Mongolian ladies to their local women all day long. I am not saying they are better, just saying that there is an allure to a tall, strong, shapely Asian lady with a big laugh whose sexual prowess is legend. The sex tourism here is starting to take off as I am seeing more and more western men in their 30’s to early 50’s waltzing about with beautiful Mongolian ladies (they are certainly not here for the kumiss or take photos of the Steppe’s). I am renting my apartment long-term (it is in an upscale part of UB), however they also do monthly leases for a ridiculous cost by even UB standards; and these sex tourist often take a room for a month. Often times, they will pay for the entire month, and only stay a week. I am seeing more and more westerners walking up and down the corridors with beautiful Mongolian women on their arms.

Cutting to the chase, although the Mongolian ladies are easily approached and easy to agree to go out on dates – they do not give it up as easily as many ladies of other cultures. They will if they like you, however, it may take 3-4 days before they make that judgement. When throwing back a couple of frosties, my Irish bloke stated that the best way to get lucky with the locals for someone traveling and maybe spending a couple-three weeks or longer was to set up a “Facebook” page strictly for Mongolia. Apparently, he had met a German guy in his early 40’s who had done this prior to his arrival, and had them lined up when he landed. The Mongolian ladies are mesmerized by Facebook and will accept almost any western foreigner who “friends” them. The German set this page up months before his arrival and had over 200 ladies he was in intermittent contact with. When he arrived, he had for the most part cut through all the small talk, determined who the best English speakers were, best looking ladies he wanted to spend time with and in short, his dance card was filled. Only about 20% were not interested in meeting him. I would never had thought about this approach, but is brilliant in retrospect (leave it to a German to find the most efficient approach). The German said the only problem was that many of the Mongolian ladies he was in contact with, shared notes as they knew one another, and made the geography somewhat difficult that he did not bump into those previously “romanced.” Another distraction, a lady(s) who he may have been out with the evening before, blowing up his phone while out with another lady the following day/evening. Another plus, he had his own personal “tour guides” who took him on the nickel tour and did not need to hassle with merchants, street vendors, etc. Anyhow, the German was drained in a good way upon his departure, and had experienced the “Land of the Khans” in a very human way. My advice to you that would like to come to Mongolia and the “Club Bed” experience, this would be the way to go without doubt.

Post: #58

(01-13-2017 03:58 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  I disagree that Mongolia is not a place for tourists.

A night staying in a yurt in Terej national park was a great experience. They'll cook you a traditional meal, you can go horse riding, and they even have golf. Not too far from the capital either.

Terelj WAS nice, but they have seriously overdeveloped that park, and additionally the traffic is such a nightmare, what used to be about 20-30 minutes, now takes like 2-3 hours at peak time for a place thats only like 80-100km from the capital. Additionally it's severely overpriced, with a night at a gher costing up to $100 or more.

Don't get me wrong, it can be an amazing experience. Some of the gher camps (gher is what the Mongolians call yurts) that are further away, especially west where there are more mountains, can be really stunning with pristine nature. The problem is logistics, and getting to these places means hiring a 4x4 vehicle and driver (guide) for the entire time, and that's not cheap.

So if you have a lot of time - like weeks - and a lot of money, Mongolia can be an amazing experience, you can go Ice fishing, climb unscathed hills and mountains, swim in wild rivers and explore the sheer expanse of the ghobi desert, which although parts are very flat, is a true sight to behold just for it's size. There are some interesting monastaries too.

For the average guy just showing up and looking to "see" things, it can be very daunting, and unless you want to go with a very expensive camping gher/guide outfit, you will be lost. But perhaps for a once in lifetime experience, it's worth the dough if you have time to spare. With my old job there I had quite a bit of flexibility to take trips to some different areas, didn't even get to see 15% of the country and I traveled a LOT. Such is the size of that place.

But bottom line is that UB, and anything around there, is an abject shithole. I'm surprised noone has mentioned the air pollution, it almost deserves its own thread. Just a few weeks ago it was SIX times worse the Beijing when Beijing was at it's worse of 30x the acceptable limit. I'll find the link and post it in the next post, but there was and is such an epidemic of children with pnumonia (brought on by bad air) that they had to open up a military hospital to deal with all the patients.

But drive only 1 hour away from UB and the air is crystal clear...

Post: #59

Said to hear that. I went to Terej 9 years ago now (2008), it seems like things have changed a lot. When we went we were the only people in the entire camp.

Post: #60

You ain’t lying about poor quality in UB. This is directly attributed to coal-fired power plants and exhaust from vehicles on UB roadways. Due to the expansion of coal mining in the Gobi (which is why I am here), has ignited Mongolia’s economy. With an improved economy, education is additionally enhanced, resulting in thousands of rural Mongols migrating to UB, which now has 1.3 million residents; 50% of Mongolia’s population.

It was reported that poor air quality in UB has been the main culprit in 130 premature deaths of children and 1,440 adults each year. This study was conducted by UC Berkeley (my alma mater). However, the Mongolian government is passing this study off as “fake news”, indicating the UC Berkeley report had a left-leaning, ideological agenda. The US Embassy has been measuring UB’s air quality on a daily basis, however, subsequent to this report being published.

Now, as Paul Harvey used to say, “for the rest of the story”……. this is all smoke and mirrors. The Government may begin inserting efficient coal stoves that produce less smoke, and other minor improvements to improve air quality – however, the Government knows all too well that for the first time since the “Great Khan”, the Mongolian people are no longer struggling financially as they once did, due to the expansion of coal and copper mining. There are a few environmentalists strutting about (from the USA - not Mongolia) advocating shutting down coal mining to eradicate this pollution debacle (surprised they have not been flogged out of the country). However, this is Mongolia, not liberal San Francisco, and if these environmentalists made too much of a nuisance of themselves, you would never hear from them again (no pun here). When people (any people) get a small taste of the good, “better” life, they will not go back (kind of like black women), and if means poor air quality, so be it. The Mongolians are enjoying their economy on steroids right now.

Post: #61

(01-17-2017 07:46 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  Said to hear that. I went to Terej 9 years ago now (2008), it seems like things have changed a lot. When we went we were the only people in the entire camp.

2008 (when I first got there) was perhaps the last golden era of UB. Traffic was bad then but the mining "boom" hadn't really taken off. Then the money poured in, but Mongolians being at their core some very blessed nomadic savages, did not use that money very wisely. In particular the natural parks surrounding UB became slowly encroached upon by rich land owners, the parks in the city were basically cut in half, and the quaint charm of UB went away completely.

But like I said outside the capital city, even today, you have some really, really untouched pristine land, with semi wild horses and open spaces and hills as far as the eye can see. I don't think I'll ever go back there - way more negatives than positives for me - but I have to admit it was a special feeling going far out into the Steppe with nobody around you for a day's drive or more.

Post: #62

(01-17-2017 02:21 PM)SHAWNFLYNN Wrote:  You ain’t lying about poor quality in UB. This is directly attributed to coal-fired power plants and exhaust from vehicles on UB roadways. Due to the expansion of coal mining in the Gobi (which is why I am here), has ignited Mongolia’s economy. With an improved economy, education is additionally enhanced, resulting in thousands of rural Mongols migrating to UB, which now has 1.3 million residents; 50% of Mongolia’s population.

It was reported that poor air quality in UB has been the main culprit in 130 premature deaths of children and 1,440 adults each year. This study was conducted by UC Berkeley (my alma mater). However, the Mongolian government is passing this study off as “fake news”, indicating the UC Berkeley report had a left-leaning, ideological agenda. The US Embassy has been measuring UB’s air quality on a daily basis, however, subsequent to this report being published.

Now, as Paul Harvey used to say, “for the rest of the story”……. this is all smoke and mirrors. The Government may begin inserting efficient coal stoves that produce less smoke, and other minor improvements to improve air quality – however, the Government knows all too well that for the first time since the “Great Khan”, the Mongolian people are no longer struggling financially as they once did, due to the expansion of coal and copper mining. There are a few environmentalists strutting about (from the USA - not Mongolia) advocating shutting down coal mining to eradicate this pollution debacle (surprised they have not been flogged out of the country). However, this is Mongolia, not liberal San Francisco, and if these environmentalists made too much of a nuisance of themselves, you would never hear from them again (no pun here). When people (any people) get a small taste of the good, “better” life, they will not go back (kind of like black women), and if means poor air quality, so be it. The Mongolians are enjoying their economy on steroids right now.

Interesting you say that. People were all saying that about 5 years ago, and indeed the economy was growing at a healthy clip of 10% per year, but last I heard from people there, depressed resource prices have made life pretty difficult, and expats are much more hesitant to go there for work as a result. Just what I heard from a expat guy, hotel manager, who was there as of 2 weeks ago, and had lived there for 10 years. Weren't public salaries just cut as well? Not saying this is gospel so please correct if I'm wrong. I thought the boom times were over and naturally the Mongolian government overcommitted and now has to claw back some money somehow.

That's of course not to say the upper class has not continued to get richer, so perhaps that's progress of sorts. Also, I think the influx to UB was already the case even 10 years ago, when about half the population lived there as well. I'm sure more have been coming though, but I think the great mass migration already occurred.

It's funny you talk about the clean burning stoves, that was even an initiative 5 years ago when I was there. Mongolians are world class experts out of weaseling money out of Aid Organizations for donor money to spent (steal) on useless projects. They are quite skilled at it .

Post: #63

Good points all “Robert High Hawk”. Growth has tapered off, however was 8% just a couple of years back. Believe me, I read all the negative speculation as well on the depressed state of the economy, however do not believe everything you read. Just the contributions from the Oyu Tolgoi mining project, and subsequent return of foreign inflows alone is supporting the economy. In addition, the corporate I am contracted through (Rio Tinto) has contributed nearly $10 billion to expand expansion of Mongolia’s coal and copper subdivision. This does not include the monstrous Chinese owned enterprises. Nor does it account for the international export agreements with foreign banks. Just one agreement I am aware is with a Russian Bank worth $300 million. Keep in mind that Mongolia sits atop massive, mainly untapped reserves of coal, uranium, copper, gold, zinc, oil, silver and countless more. It is estimated Mongolia possess approximately 10 percent of the world’s coal reserves. In other words, all the world’s major players are here wanting a piece of this. It is a shame; the Mongolian people have no head for business or commerce outside of haggling in the market place. Additionally, not to be mean spirited, however the Mongolian men are perhaps the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to IQ rating of all Asian peoples. Combine this with an unindustrious attitude, and it is no wonder the rest of the world has needed to come in to harvest these resources for them. However, do not feel too sorry for the Mongolian people, they are living better than they ever have – by far. Re: cutting public employees’ salaries – this is a new one on me. What I am aware of, last year, the Mongolian government did just the opposite of what you are asserting - they increased the salaries/pensions for public employees by a whopping 10%

As you know, with that comes consumer branding, meaning countless storefronts with international badging on the front. Anything you can imagine is now here, including exotic car retailers. In answer to your question re: expats coming here to work? Are you kidding? I was one of hundreds of American professionals “jumping up and down” for the opportunity to contract with Rio Tinto. I am making approximately 6x the salary I would receive in the States for a 1-1/2 year commitment. I hope this information shores this issue up a little. Keep in mind, I am here living the dream (even if the weather is – 18 F today).

I do not mean to keep hitting on this point, however the Mongolian women seem to have received all the good stuff (genetically from the Great Khan) and the men just seem to muddle about, hunched over in their wool deels, with a look as if they have been constipated for the last decade. Side note, I got a great deal on a beautifully made brocade deel, however would not be caught dead wearing it – plan on hanging it on my wall when I return to the States. I have elaborated in my above posts on the Mongolian ladies and can tell you that they are exceptional! If you have an affinity for Asians, once you have been around Mongolian ladies, the rest will no longer interest you. The bare bones difference (what separates them from other Asians), Mongolian ladies have big, wild personalities, spirited and not reserved as other Asians. They are strong, not only willed, however physically – allow me to add tough to that (no room for wimps in this culture). They are much taller than other Asians, far more shapely, curvy. The only downside to this, they are becoming to figure out they are preferred by foreign men; and every lady, regardless whether they live in the “ger district” or not, has a Facebook account – I mean all of them! As I stated earlier, it is becoming a “Club Bed” here with foreign men flying in and out. I have attached a photo of one of my Mongolian Facebook friends from UB. Not the best photo of her, but you get the idea. She is about 5’8”, great shape and even better personality (she has a somewhat softer demeanor than most Mongol ladies - keyword “somewhat”). She is a waitresses at Café Amsterdam in UB. Café Amsterdam is a cash-cow, frequented by the more affluent local and International community, and busy from morning till late evening. It is not uncommon to trip over ladies like this in UB every day. I would not say a dime a dozen, however, if you have anything on the ball at all, you will not be lonely. She is currently dating an Australian who is one of the Electricians working here in an outsourced capacity as am I. We cross-paths from time to time as we both work out at “Flex Gym” and says his intent is to marry her and take her back to Australia with him (won’t mom be surprised). When you are here on a short-term work assignment, the Embassy folks do their best to keep you focused on the task at hand – and not be sucked in by the gorgeous Mongol ladies all around you. I for one, believe I have struck a good balance. I do see the allure however. Many of the ladies (including the one in the photo) speak good English and are mesmerizing. They will include you in all events, incorporate you into their group(s) of friends, spend time with their families – and it is easy to start drinking the Kool-Aid. Everything is much easier when you are in the company of a beautiful Mongolian woman as they know the culture and lay-of-the-land. Additionally, Mongolian ladies support age differences very comfortably. Age is not a factor with them or their culture, and it would not be uncommon to spend time in the company of a lady 10 – 15 years your junior. Like I said, mesmerizing. However, for folks like me, it is better to stay focused, remember why I am here, and when it ends I will have a fond memory to look back upon.

Post: #64

Thanks for the update SF, like I said, what I heard was just from one source, and he was a bit jaded and bitter (rightfully so, which I'll get to in a bit).

I would be curious to see how things have changed if I were to go back. I will say that for my time there, I shared an eerily sentiment sentiment as the one you now profess in your posts, and remember having an acute sense of optimism about the place, to the point that I was considering settling there for good. The women, and I whole heartedly agree, are some of the most unique, exotic, and beautiful women out there. Comparatively speaking I refer to them as the Scandinavian Blondes of Asia, and I think that's a fair analogy.

I guess where some of my own jadedness comes from is that slowly over my time there, my dealings with the Mongolians and Mongolia slowly wore me down, and I saw a darker side to the place. Pussy and Banging were of course still good, but the ridiculous corruption, lying, and racism started to get old. When I was there I noticed that the expat scene was a very good one (for men at least) for those who had a good "cover" such as an embassy or corporate gig (I had one of the two as a cover as well). Surrounded by vested Mongolians, as you mentioned, life is quite good, and you are insulated from much of the dysfunction. Any legal issue, any kind of dispute or problem that comes up is taken care via a vast support system.

When things started to turn for me, was when I tried to get vested beyond my "cover", through opening a business, having some closer relationships with the locals, and seriously dating one of the women. The unbelievable amount of lying, stealing, jealously, incompetence, and malice I dealt with, still shocks me to this day. There was a defining moment when tried to come back outside my "cover" to settle and get things started, and very quickly the rose colored outlook I had on the country melted and I saw Mongolia and UB as a dilapidated shithole filled with overwhelmingly dishonest and low IQ people.

Back then, the stats you mentioned about Coal/Gold/Copper were also well known, and granted OT/TT were not fully up, but there was definitely enough investment to warrant some pretty substantial improvement, and despite some new fancy stores, actual infrastructure in the city, the kind that would improve peoples lives, was still crappy. Prior to the mining boom, Mongolia got more foreign AID per capita than any other country in the world, because like you and I are/were, it's incredibly easy to be seduced by the exotic people(women), culture, and land. Despite this foreign aid that flowed in like mana for all those years, almost all of it was wasted. I suspect the current monies coming in will end up with a similar result, but again, I will admit my jaded side is forcing me to predict that our of spite.

To end this long winded and otherwise pointless post, I would summarize that there are 2 important caveats I would stress to anybody about Mongolia, is that 1. make sure you have a good "cover" because with out it you are more or less screwed at any given moment, and 2. DON'T get in too deep. 95% of all the expats who ended up with Mongolian wives I saw were either miserable, or seperated. Mongolians, men or women, are Mongolians, they have no sense of ethics or honor, and when with their nomadic background, whenever it suits them to simply vanish, cheat, or steal, they will do so on a whim. The amount of infidelity and transactional sex there was pretty incredible (*side note: HUGE HUGE rates of Chlamydia there, some of the highest in the world. It's easily curable but watch out) thereTheir only (somewhat) loyalty will be to their clan/family, and even then as it suits them. Think about what it would be like to actually live for years and settle in a place where you can't have your sister or mother visit you and walk down the street without being seriously harrassed/assaulted at any given moment, even in "safe" areas. Think about raising kids in a place where they have to spend indoors 6 months out of the year because the air is so bad.

Ok, to end this on a positive note, DO go there to mercilessly slay as many Mongolian women as possible. They are hot and easy, and you can do some fairly dirty things with them. Enjoy the positive attention they give you as an expat, be very careful of PDA, and spend meaningful time in some of the most amazing and open landscapes in the world. Then get the fuck out before your life is ruined.

Post: #65

Well, it seems like Robert High Hawk was screwed over by some Mongolians.

I agree that Mongolia is a very corrupt country, and that Mongols are a jealous and aggressive people by nature. But these claims of low IQ are simply inaccurate. Mongolians, as a national group are among the highest average IQ in the world. https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country#

As far as the men seeming dumber or slower, a factor may be that a large number of them leave the country to pursue their fortunes elsewhere... my experience with Mongols in Mongolia or elsewhere is that they are fairly smart, but not terribly ambitious.

A big part of the reason why some Mongolian women are as open to foreign men as they are relates to the fact that the male / female ratio in the country is very skewed in favor of men. and the men treat the women very poorly. Most well off Mongolian men have mistresses and it's extremely common for them to leave their families in their 40s to hook up with another woman.

But the problem most men have with handling Mongolian women is that they really expect guys to be tough (more than most white guys are) and take charge and they're more hypergamous than western women. If you can't handle that, then don't try to date them.

Post: #66

(01-20-2017 04:55 AM)Lance Blastoff Wrote:  Well, it seems like Robert High Hawk was screwed over by some Mongolians.

I agree that Mongolia is a very corrupt country, and that Mongols are a jealous and aggressive people by nature. But these claims of low IQ are simply inaccurate. Mongolians, as a national group are among the highest average IQ in the world. https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country#

As far as the men seeming dumber or slower, a factor may be that a large number of them leave the country to pursue their fortunes elsewhere... my experience with Mongols in Mongolia or elsewhere is that they are fairly smart, but not terribly ambitious.

A big part of the reason why some Mongolian women are as open to foreign men as they are relates to the fact that the male / female ratio in the country is very skewed in favor of men. and the men treat the women very poorly. Most well off Mongolian men have mistresses and it's extremely common for them to leave their families in their 40s to hook up with another woman.

But the problem most men have with handling Mongolian women is that they really expect guys to be tough (more than most white guys are) and take charge and they're more hypergamous than western women. If you can't handle that, then don't try to date them.

how would a tall non white dude fair in mongolia? im a tall hispanic looking dude.

Post: #67

Robert High Hawk – Perhaps the best, most well-thought out response to a post I have ever read. Truly enjoyed reading it. Allow me to also say that you nailed it re: your analysis on the best way to navigate when in Mongolia.

This place can “jade” you, if you get in too deep. Robert High Hawk, you know what I mean by that, however, others on this board may not. The land of the Khans can have a haunting, eerie attraction to a westerner who is a new arrival. The rolling green Steppes, or grassland plains span as far as the eye can see, all under the canopy of a big blue sky, with felt-lined ger’s sprinkled about. Sprinkle in the most alluring Asian women with their hypnotic gaze in the world, and it can be mesmerizing. In relation to the women, a few of my colleagues have summed it up by there is “Asian mystique”, and then there is the “Mongolian mystique” – meaning the latter is much more exotic and captivating. Robert, your analogy: “Scandinavian Blondes of Asia” is spot on. This is perhaps the most accurate parallel I have ever heard. The Mongolian women are absolutely the Asian byproduct of Scandinavia.

Again Robert, you hit at the heart of the place. As I reiterated earlier and to use your noun, if you have a “corporate” gig as I, and do not place a sentimental value on the land, you will be fine and secure memories of a lifetime. I for one, stay focused on my primary purpose (job), however, still maintain a healthy, balanced lifestyle. It is because I keep an equally healthy distance by not allowing myself to become consumed by my present environment. Do not misunderstand me, I have visited and laughed with the locals, explored the dunes at Khongoryn Els, visited Karakorum, Khuvsgul Lake, travelled and participated in local festivals; often go on long walks about the city; belong to a popular fitness gym, frequent various restaurants and partner up with members of my team to go out for a few drinks, yada yada. I have also sampled my fair share of the Mongolian ladies. However, I DO NOT allow myself to become close with the locals, especially the men. Maintaining a healthy aloofness seems to be appreciated by the locals and in the best interest of foreigners.

I have seen expats, begin bonding with the Mongol community (to tightly), and it never seems to end well. I once met a French National for coffee every Sunday who was a Site Quality Manager for Vestas (Wind Energy Co.). Vestas pays very well and he had one of the better management positions. He was a typical Frenchman, however, seemed pleasant enough (and spoke good English). Anyhow, he became infatuated with the Mongolian culture, lifestyle and even took a Mongolian bride. He was living in a luxury apartment complex [Buddha Vista Complex – (much nicer than my digs) ], however, once married he abandoned this complex to move into the ger district with his wife (yes, to live in a ger). He began wearing wool deels, the whole bit. Before long, he was supporting her entire clan. Apparently, her cousin, who saw himself as an entrepreneur of sorts, requested a loan from him as “seed money” for a software/hardware company. This startup was to be a developer for banking institutions, and enterprise resource planning designed for Mongolian insurance companies. This IT solution additionally provided mobile payment apps, security scanners, currency reprocessing systems, etc. It sounded great, apparently had other investors, therefore, my French chum loaned her cousin the requested capital. Of course, the cousin needed more and more capital which his wife cajoled him to loan (she had a rich French husband after all). To cut to the chase the cousin ended up draining his life savings, in addition to taking out multiple loans. When he began asking critical questions (a little late), the cousin of course went into the wind (apparently, he had forgotten he was dealing with a Nomadic people) never to be seen again. I ran into my French chum shortly after this “train wreck” at the Naran Tuul Market where he appraised me of what had transpired. He additionally shared that he had been drinking heavily, lost his job at Vestas, his Mongolian wife had given him the boot, and was now living with a friend (love it when a plan comes together). He had lost weight, was unkempt and appeared he had aged five years x two. He seemed to be in some kind of a stupor, said goodbye and staggered off (have not seen him since).

It is my view, the Mongolian people have a certain degree of reverence for foreigners in a “corporate” capacity, or as Robert states, Embassy duty. However, as in the instance above, once you step down from “Mount Olympus” and attempt to bond with the locals, and/or adopt the “when in Rome” dogma; the Mongolian people lose immediate veneration for you and will begin treating you as such. They do not want their “Great White Fathers from the West” to descent to a human state. The above instance is not isolated. There are several expats who took a page from this playbook and now find themselves isolated and resigned to the seedier parts of the city.

Robert, again you could not be more right re: hostility of Mongolian women to western women. UB is no place for western women. To this day I have been unable to understand where this disdain by Mongolian women comes from. I have several hypotheses, however remains a mystery to me. I have been told that Mongolian women perceive western men as “prizes”, which is true. Because of this, when the Mongolian women see a good-looking, western professional man with his wife or significant other strolling about, they feel that she is here to intentionally ensure he is not approached. Subsequently, the Mongolian woman harass them unmercifully to send a message that this is not a good idea. I have additionally been told that the Mongolian women view western women as soft and weak. They feel western women come from a privileged, untested environment; not a contested, pillaging environment where there is no room for weakness as do they. Therefore, harass them simply because – they can. And God forbid if a western lady, or worse, ladies clean up and go out for the evening, it is certain to be the worst experience of their lives. A Mongolian woman's ultimate goal is to land the most eligible, affluent husband she is able. They have a very predatory nature and will see these western women as infringing on their turf. The western ladies will without-doubt be confronted by these women and driven back to their abode. Just today, I was sitting in the Khaan Deli. There was a western woman, in her early 30's standing in line for a sandwich (very attractive). Three young Mongol girls came through the door, giggling and seemingly in good spirits. One look at this lady standing in line, and their demeanor immediately changed to a grim nature. The western lady sat at the last available table (small café). When the three Mongol girls received their orders, one of the girls asked her to move, as there were three of them and one of her. When she politely refused, the girl took hold of her arm, leaned over and whispered something in her ear and smiled. The western lady visibly shaken, got up and left. The three girls again began laughing, speaking in Mongolian and enjoying themselves. The reason I am mentioning this, is that it is universal amongst Mongolian women that there is not only a "green light" on western women, they are expected to harass them at every given turn. It was quite sad, however, I have seen this scenario so many times I have become numb.

I would also comment that “Lance Blastoff” is correct that Mongolian women expect their men to be “tough”. In our PC culture, we would not think of putting our hands on our spouse no matter what the offence. However, if you are a Mongolian man, living in a ger, and your wife did not have dinner prepared upon your return home, she would expect to be disciplined by her husband. This discipline could be accomplished by either be sitting her in a chair and chastising her verbally, or lashed. Mongolian women are high-spirited and will challenge their husbands, however, if the husband is unable to curb this behavior verbally, then he is expected to do so physically (generally taking a stick and beating her across the back until she submits). This sounds brutal by western standards, however is an accepted and much needed method in maintaining order in a Mongolian home. To reiterate, a western husband would never conceive of such a thing, therefore, it would not be long before his Mongolian bride were to begin becoming nonresponsive to him or looking outward for a “real man”.

Robert High Hawk you said it best, enjoy all that Mongolia has to offer, always consider yourself an outsider (short-timer), never allow a Mongolian woman to remain in your company long enough to become possessive. Believe me when I say there is nothing more volatile, than a possessive, jealous Mongolian woman. These women are unbelievably beautiful and with their wild-spirit, makes them intoxicating. However, always maintain a comfortable distance and learn how to move on – you will thank me later.

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Took a walk through the Ger District in UB today. Saw these two young Mongol girls sitting on a bench and asked to snap a photo of them. They were delighted. Girls of this caliber are more the norm than not. As I stated earlier in my posts, I have been to several countries, some longer and more frequent than others; however will assert that nowhere in Asia are there women to compare to the raw beauty of the Mongolian women.

Post: #69

SF,

Much appreciate for the compliment, and to throw one back at you, you seem to have a better and healthier read on the place than I did during my time, particularly your awareness of temporal nature of an expats stay and relationships there.

That story of that French guy is one of the worst I've heard, but certainly I knew people who had been through similar experiences. Quite tragic in it's own way, since many of these guys (and they were all guys for sure), were very well intentioned and genuinely good people. After seeing enough of that I had a healthy respect for guys, especially Russians, that came into Mongolia to mercilessly pump/dump both the women and the Environment for their own profit. I think having dealt with them for so long, and basically civilized them to begin with, that they saw no redemption in the Mongolians, and it was screw them before they screw you mentality.

Enjoy your time there! Your healthy attitude towards the place- positive but entirely realistic and pragmatic about the place, makes me desire to return and get my fun in again. Most importantly, be safe! Please keep this thread updated with your conquests and other unique stories of your time there in the Steppe!

Post: #70

(07-11-2015 11:47 PM)waterpusher Wrote:  The other day, I ran into this blog:

http://fuckyeahmongolgirls.tumblr.com

and I thought to myself, "Mongolian girls are fucking hot". I tried to search more between random forums and blogs and have a really difficult time finding much about people's experiences or about how/where to meet them/about gaming in Ulaanbaatar. My chinese isn't perfect, but sometimes I frequent Chinese websites that talk about UB. It seems like there a general consensus about the strong xenophobia there and how local guys get violent about it. If anyone has experiences with Mongolian girls in and out of Mongolia, please inform.

Thanks for posting that. Beautiful. I once saw a Mongolian girl playing a traditional instrument at a cultural festival. She was absolutely stunning. I guess I'll have to add Mongolia to the "To-Visit" list.

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I have been receiving several private messages in relation to this thread. I believe two of these questions should be brought to the main forum and have posted below.

1) I have received a few questions as to why Mongolians are taller than other Asians? Let me first begin by stating that they are not only taller, however, once fully developed, have shapes which more closely resemble Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, etc.) than other Asians. Mongolian women are more strongly built and larger boned than other Asians (wider hips, larger hands, etc.). If you have had a Mongolian woman peel back her ornate deel, you will know what I mean. In relation to height, this is where Mongolian women stand apart. Keep in mind that they are still Asians, and not as tall on average as European peoples, however considerably taller than other Asians. I am still amazed at the height census charts which are online (very skewed) for Asian peoples. For example, I have been to South Korea a few times, who are considered to be the tallest of all Asian peoples. I can tell you without hesitation that the Mongolian women are at least an inch on average taller than their South Korean counterparts, perhaps more. As I stated above, it is not unusual to see several young Mongol women ranging from 173 cm to 180 cm. Most young women are in the 165 cm to 170 cm range. The members of this board I am finding tend to like supporting visual (photo) responses as well, therefore snapped a photo of a young lady who was taking a break between classes who is attending Mongolia International University (I often use MIU’s library for work purposes comfortable surrounding). As with most Mongol women, they enjoy having their picture taken. The reason I selected this particular girl, was her height. When I asked how tall she was, she replied she was 178 cm (5.10”). Keep in mind that she is the exception, however also keep in mind that it took me only a few moments to find a Mongol woman to photograph exemplifying a Mongol Woman’s statuesque nature.

2) The second question I have received; it is evident that western women are not welcomed by Mongolian women to say the least, however, why is the same standard not applied to Russian women; and at face value, how do Mongolian women tell them apart? This is a great question. Firstly, Russian women seem to have a presence about them. You will see western women casually dressed, however, Russian women always dress as is they are on their way to a performance. Even in the winter cold, you will see Russian women wear stylish winter apparel. As importantly, a Russian woman may be headed to buy milk, however, will not leave the house unless her makeup and hair are perfect. The Slavs also, have a different facial look than westers women. Western women have traditionally softer features (cute or cherubic). Slav women have stronger more pronounced features (chin, nose, jawline, etc.). However, most importantly is attitude. Russian women have perfected the icy, cold, emotionless stare that sets them apart from their friendly, warm intentioned western counterparts. It is also important to point out that Russians look down on Mongolians as inferior – all of them. The men may bang a Mongolian woman here and there, however will kick her out of bed and send her back to her ger once serviced. The Russian women will not mix with Mongolians at all. I believe this is the most significant factor; the Mongolian women do not see the Russian women as a threat as they will have nothing to do with their men; and almost always with their Russian men. The Mongolian women do not see the Russian men as a prize as they do western men. The word is out with Mongolian women that Russian men only desire their company for a quick bang, and send them on their way. Russian men also have a reputation as at times being rough or abusive (I believe undeserved, however, nonetheless, this is the perception). I also do not know of one instance where a Russian man married a Mongolian woman, although there are plenty of Russians here. Lastly, as significantly important, Russians are more dangerous and unpredictable than westerners. If a Mongolian woman confronts a Russian woman, she will be met in kind; however, more importantly if she assaults her, she may be stabbed (the Mongolian woman), hit with a bottle, however, definitely retaliated against. And although she may get the short-end of the incident, unlike the western woman who will cry to her husband and go to local authorities – the Russian man and his comrades will seek out the Mongolian woman or community and have their pound of flesh. It is well known that this is the manner in which the Russians deal with physical confrontation and disputes, and is recognized by the Mongolian community. In other words, the Russians are given a wide berth and degree of respect. Westerners however, tend to be noncombative, and belief is, would throw a rock in a riot. This is equally recognized by the Mongolian community. Mongolian women have little to no regard for western women, therefore do not see the moral dilemma in berating and harassing them.

I hope this provides some insight.

Post: #72

So those 2 girls sitting on the bench in the earlier post were just ok (subjective)

but damn that uni girl..

Post: #73

In the past, I would hear insulting references to these people as Mongoloid savages. Those peole were clueless. When I saw the girls online, I was really impressed. The girls definitely have Asian / European genes vs. the typical Asian Han breed.

I met a blonde girl from Kiev in the US, and we were talking about the Mongolian invasions. She was saying she probably has some Asian roots. I see certain Asian traits in the EE girls faces / eyes.

Has anyone been to Harbin, China? I saw a very cute girl in Shanghai from there. She looked like an Asian / EE mix. Tall, long legs, cute face. They're Chinese, yet these girls look way more sexy than the Han stock.

I thought about UB, however I'm turned off from their true behavior. If you slip and get a girl pregnant, then you'll be in that mess for the rest of your life. Even if you split, a piece of you is there.

I think Harbin girls have the looks but the stability of Chinese culture / behavior.

This is a great thread. We have great experts sharing their candid experiences.

Post: #74

Great stuff coming out her. Always had Mongolia on my radar but never went because it was too far and too much of an investment on something that many guys panned (given the options in Asia). This thread has my hopes rekindled.

Post: #75

I scanned a Mongolian girls FB who I used to bang back in China to see if she has any friends here in Vancouver.

Found a couple, one tall and hot just like her friend.

Hit her up. Very aggressive and forward, just like I remembered.

Show up to meeting place early, she tells me her ex is on his way for some reason or another. I grab her hand and pull her away saying "lets get the fuck outta here then"

As we are walking outside a tall handsome white dude stops and stares but I just keep pulling her. "That was my ex!" she exclaims all giddy.

Around the first corner, I push her up against the wall and kiss her. She melts.

No bang, as many Mongolian girls are actually hard hitting players with conservative values. I had A+ game that night, would have closed almost any other girl 100%, but fuck it its not like I needed the pussy that night. She is blowing up my phone, high drama potential (as was the other Mongol I 'dated').

Bonus* Her ex is a major hedge fund guy who had flown in from NYC to see her when I swooped her out of there. She was going to flake on me, so I made her pay for ALL our drinks that night AND a lap dance at the strippers with a hot Russian blonde (Asians are intuitively jealous of hot blondes).