Post: #39201

The Beast,

I have tried it. But my medical and scientific training has removed the narcissm required to say, "Since it's good for me, it must be good for everyone."

And my depth of thinking makes me immune to arguments that ask, "Why should we prohibit people from taking substances that don't cause obvious harm to themselves, or others?"

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" What does that tell us about drugs? That adults should be able to make informed decisions about what substances they choose to put in their body."

True, provided they pay for any negative effects that their drug use causes. But the majority of drug users are not socially responsible enough to do such a thing, and many of them aren't wealthy enough to do so.

The best line in the article that Ghost Tiger posted asserted that drug users are self-absorbed. Your reasoning is definitely self-absorbed (since no one's needs but the drug user's is considered). And so is the collective anti-scientific viewpoint that pro drug people take.

Post: #39202

(09-04-2016 05:11 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 04:53 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 04:28 PM)realologist Wrote:  Most of those people you describe never end up in prison which is damn near everybodies argument. Half of all people in prison are "non-violent" drug users. It's a bull shit stat. Most federal cases are drugs and a weapon. Sounds very "non-violent". Usually it takes 3 seperate incidents of felonies to get there. Many times the first one is pled to a misdemeanor or wiped pending completion of probation.

Possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is a felony in many states, regardless of intention.

I think you mean more than an ounce? I'm not sure less than an ounce of pot = a felony.

Nope, there are more than a dozen states where possession of an ounce or less constitutes a felony. In many of these places, it becomes an automatic "possession with intent to distribute" charge, including my home state of South Carolina.

Post: #39203

Enigma,

If I wanted to say that everyone who takes cocaine or molly is a degenerate, I'll say it directly. So don't tell me that I've said something, when I clearly haven't.

My argument is: (1) It is uniformly agreed upon by scientists that certain drugs impair cognitive function and weaken the physical body. (2) People who want to legalize those drugs have to convince me that it's in both MINE and SOCIETY'S best interest to do so. (3) Non-scientific or anti-scientific inferences are not convincing. Shaming language and lying about what I've said is even less so. (4) As we worry more and more about ISIS, globalism, and a weak economy, the burden of proof on the legalizing side increases.

Post: #39204

I'm going over to the Hillary thread so I can get news about Trump and the election.

Post: #39205

Take it to the PM's boys.

Post: #39206

Dude, if you go back through the past few pages, you'll see that you're the one who started saying people didn't read articles, calling their arguments ironic, empty rhetoric, lies, etc., yet you now claim I'm "shaming" you.

You also called me "Phoenix" 3 or 4 times, though I'm not sure if that's because you find the words Enigma and Phoenix somehow similar, or because it was some kind of subtle indication that you weren't actually reading my posts.

Nothing you have said in this thread is "scientific", unless you're counting vague allusions to something you've never directly quoted.

But that's not the point -- this is a political and philosophical discussion, not a scientific one.

Can you provide a study from a Nobel Prize-winning scientist and copies of your medical records to prove that Americans should have freedom of speech or the right to bear arms?

No, because in actuality, society would work a lot more efficiently under a more restrictive form of government, such as an aristocracy. Which is exactly why no one is giving you scientific studies on why people should have freedom -- it's not a matter of science, it's a matter of morals and ethics.

The Founding Fathers did not lead a revolution and guarantee freedoms because it was safer. I'm more likely to shoot myself or someone else if I legally own a gun, yet it also grants me the freedom to protect myself.

Can you provide scientific evidence on why people should be legally allowed to have casual, premarital sex? Clearly monogamous, long-term relationships are better for society.

We could go on and on like this. There's almost no scientific argument on why nearly any of the freedoms we have "benefit society".

Also, you HAVE implied multiple times that people who do drugs smell bad and can't hold jobs, and I'm not the only one who's called that out. And when called out, you continued to argue that line of reasoning. Only now are you claiming you never said that.

Clearly we are not going to come to any mutually agreement here, which is why I suggested that we either discontinue the conversation or someone start another thread.

Post: #39207

Drugs are a scientific issue because they're routinely studied by scientists.

Post: #39208

Dude! Let it go! This is the Trump thread. Just say no to posting here about drugs!

Post: #39209

Lets get this back on track

Post: #39210

You cannot stump the Trump.

Post: #39211

I was Googling how Pepe became associated with Mr. Trump, and it has everything to do with the You Can't Stump The Trump videos. Both that Trump Pepe and a link to the fourth episode of You Can't Stump The Trump were tweeted to Mr. Trump. When he retweeted it, that Pepe became permanently associated with him.

I like the mission statement of the Alt-Right, as well as our strategy of being either intellectually philosophical or trollingly demoralizing depending on who we're taking to. The only downside is that Mr. Trump can't officially endorse our demoralizing tactics.

We are his secret shock troops.

Post: #39212

Let's wheel this back on track. What is everyone's electoral college path for Trump? Here is mine.



What has become abundantly clear, is that right now, at this moment in time, Pennsylvania is probably the most pivotal.

Post: #39213

I love the Mexicans! I love the Blacks! I love women! I love weed!

Post: #39214

(09-04-2016 08:07 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  I was Googling how Pepe became associated with Mr. Trump, and it has everything to do with the You Can't Stump The Trump videos. Both that Trump Pepe and a link to the fourth episode of You Can't Stump The Trump were tweeted to Mr. Trump. When he retweeted it, that Pepe became permanently associated with him.

I like the mission statement of the Alt-Right, as well as our strategy of being either intellectually philosophical or trollingly demoralizing depending on who we're taking to. The only downside is that Mr. Trump can't officially endorse our demoralizing tactics.

We are his secret shock troops.

Right, Trump retweeted one of the Trump/Pepe memes and the people on 4chan went apeshit and started making hundreds more of them.

I am looking at the choices that the USA has: we have Trump, who will usher in a new era of greatness, more jobs, less corruption, less terrorists; then we have Hillary, who seems to lack stamina due to constant illness, wears a piss bag, can't seem to recall or remember any of the events that she took part in as secretary of state, has a foundation that is hell bent on selling out America, and ultimately she is a statesman who just isn't very good at public speaking. Say what you want about Obama, at least he has a pulse and seems socially aware and does not hate talking to people.

Post: #39215

(09-04-2016 08:09 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Let's wheel this back on track. What is everyone's electoral college path for Trump? Here is mine.



What has become abundantly clear, is that right now, at this moment in time, Pennsylvania is probably the most pivotal.

Lets just say I agree with your map. I would call NM for Trump and Wisconsin. If Hillary wins we are gonna be so fucked.

Post: #39216

Realistically, what happens if Hillary wins? She likely will not finish a first term due to health problems, we will likely be getting a President Kaine, basically another establishment cuck no real difference from Obama and W Bush. Sure, we will continue to decline, but how will our day to day life be any different?

We will get 3 ultra liberal Supreme Court Justices, open borders and more refugees from the mideast and criminals from Mexico. Hillary will do to the USA what Angela Merkel did to the EU, by loading up the city streets with migrant criminals and terrorists. If we vote in a Hillary/Tim Kaine, we get what we deserve.

Post: #39217

(09-04-2016 08:09 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Let's wheel this back on track. What is everyone's electoral college path for Trump?

Michigan is going Trump, especially after that Detroit speech/sermon. I think New York is going Trump as well.

Post: #39218

NH will go Trump. Johnson will get a lot of votes here but hopefully not enough to give Hillary the win.

Post: #39219

Trump needs to come to Colorado and say yea for weed and guns.

That would get a lot of people to the polls.

Post: #39220

Wisconsin and Michigan are in play.

Post: #39221

I'm in the Midwest for a bit but I'm still registered to vote in Virginia. Was thinking about getting my registration out here but Virginia looks like it's going to be close in Virginia, somewhat to my surprise, so I'll probably just go back there to vote. Not sure how/when Virginia became more democratic in its voting patterns.

Post: #39222

(09-04-2016 09:40 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 08:09 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Let's wheel this back on track. What is everyone's electoral college path for Trump?

Michigan is going Trump, especially after that Detroit speech/sermon. I think New York is going Trump as well.

If New York goes Trump he will win in a landslide.

Quote:Wisconsin and Michigan are in play.

So are a few others such as Oregon. I gave them to the Democrats based on a worst case scenario outlook. If the polls are 'waaay' off, then anythings possible. Even Reagan numbers [Outside California].

Post: #39223

(09-04-2016 10:50 PM)nek Wrote:  I'm in the Midwest for a bit but I'm still registered to vote in Virginia. Was thinking about getting my registration out here but Virginia looks like it's going to be close in Virginia, somewhat to my surprise, so I'll probably just go back there to vote. Not sure how/when Virginia became more democratic in its voting patterns.

Because the Obama administration has increased the size of Federal workers in DC by a huge amount. They vote Dem so they can keep their jobs.

Post: #39224

(09-04-2016 08:07 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  I was Googling how Pepe became associated with Mr. Trump, and it has everything to do with the You Can't Stump The Trump videos. Both that Trump Pepe and a link to the fourth episode of You Can't Stump The Trump were tweeted to Mr. Trump. When he retweeted it, that Pepe became permanently associated with him.

I like the mission statement of the Alt-Right, as well as our strategy of being either intellectually philosophical or trollingly demoralizing depending on who we're taking to. The only downside is that Mr. Trump can't officially endorse our demoralizing tactics.

We are his secret shock troops.

I have been watching news videos about the Alt-Right, one common theme you see in the people on the left and journalist is, they point out how tech savy and smart the Alt-Right is, how they are winning the cultural war, even Time Magazine had a cover about it:



The left is used to deal people on the right who only listen to radio, and maybe some hours of Fox News, not people with knowledge to track Hillary's handler identity to the point to force her to disappear him, or knowing what a meme is, the left has never deal with the other side in the same battlefield, they have dominated online since always, they simple do not know what to do with people who outperform them at what they believe to good.

A person like Milo or Lauren Southern hit the left in America in different ways the left did not expect, both are young, Milo is gay European and Southern is Canadian, we all know how the left price Europe and Canada as epitome f hat America should be, having people from these countries and supporting Trump, gun rights etc.

We can consider this a modern version of what Sarah Palin 2008 was, love her or hate her Sarah Palin craked the left philosophical shield.

Milo recent ABC segment is a good example of how the left journalists simple cannot handle people on the right whom simple stand their ground.





They try and try to make him feel bad, to apologize, they heavily edited the video but Milo never bow down.

Southern on Skynews





The journalist simple can't handle Lauren basic common sense of inmigration and had to cut her from speaking.

This is how easy is to get the left and the media into meltdown, in least than a year simple people online have done amazing work into the world and America.

Post: #39225

My neighbour's cat brought me a big bullfrog the other day.
I hold this as a great omen.