Post: #26

(06-07-2015 08:48 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Let's not turn this into the muscles vs. Game thread, Guys.

If every guy on this forum added 10 pounds of muscle it would only help their game Within reason.

The way I look at the looks/ image/ grooming/ muscles/ game/ dress/ money debate is that a modern man should expect to be at least 2 SMV points superior than the woman he likes and who wants to claim equality with a socially superior man.

Of course, these 2 SMV points can be gained via 100% game but in the long run, it is tiring to keep game on full throttle. This is what a lot of players found when they began having LTRs with women who were formerly an aspect of their dreams. Something happens in their lives, they ease up on the game and the woman betrays them.

Personally, I try to attain the +2 SMV points comprehensively by covering all of the bases as an all rounder.

Post: #27

I'm a lean (or "skinny") dude... 6'7... 190lb

You seem to have a defeatist, pessimistic attitude that is going to get you nowhere. Girls don't care that much about a dude being big or jacked or whatever.

Yes more girls will want to fuck you if you are athletically built compared to having a slighter frame.

That's not why you should work out though. You should work out because it's good for you, because you will feel better (which it sounds like you really need) and you will feel more comfortable with yourself.

The whole "Girls will never like me, they only go for XXX type of guys, woe is me" attitude will make you feel 100 times shittier than if you just focus on your lifts... chow down on the protein, carbs and good fats... and stop giving a fuck about what you "think" is the ideal man for Minnesota.

Man up, dude

Post: #28

(06-08-2015 12:51 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 10:47 PM)travolta Wrote:  Asia- Japan. You won't see many really jacked up guys over there. Girls like skinny guys over there (well more "fit" than skinny). Go to Asia and you won't have to worry about being scrawny.

This.

Asia is the best place for skinny dudes.

Obviously you should work out to raise your T, be healthy and get toned no matter what your natural body shape is but the extreme pursuit of a body builder physique is mostly an anglo thing.

It's sad that higher obesity weight in a country's women is a strong predictor of how common dudes there feel they MUST get "jacked" to compete for the remaining scraps that are left.

It's funny because if you are built well in Asia you have a huge leg up on your competition for the same reason. Two sides to that story.

Post: #29

(06-08-2015 01:09 AM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:51 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 10:47 PM)travolta Wrote:  Asia- Japan. You won't see many really jacked up guys over there. Girls like skinny guys over there (well more "fit" than skinny). Go to Asia and you won't have to worry about being scrawny.

This.

Asia is the best place for skinny dudes.

Obviously you should work out to raise your T, be healthy and get toned no matter what your natural body shape is but the extreme pursuit of a body builder physique is mostly an anglo thing.

It's sad that higher obesity weight in a country's women is a strong predictor of how common dudes there feel they MUST get "jacked" to compete for the remaining scraps that are left.

It's funny because if you are built well in Asia you have a huge leg up on your competition for the same reason. Two sides to that story.

Being well built helps everywhere obviously and is what you should strive for, no one was arguing against this. But the threshold to be "well built" means different things in difference places. No place outside the anglosphere has women that are as hypergamous and as obsessed with mass on guys (whether it be muscle or just solid stocky fat dudes.)

This is simple to understand, all girls like to be dominated and feel secure with a guy thats bigger than them. In a country where the average female weighs 125lbs a guy who weighs 160 is clearly bigger and makes her feel feminine but in a country where average chicks weigh 170 they will have higher demands for a dude to be over 200lbs. Follow me?

Post: #30

Having lived in asia for some years i can tell you girls like the muscles.
The only reason people think asian women like "slim" guys is because the large majority of asian men are somewhat slim unless they play in sports.
Girls coming up to me and grabbing my biceps or touching my chest happened in Japan, Korea and Taiwan for me.
Bottom line is muscles up to a certain point will always get the gina tingles going.
Being cut and lean will always be better than big semi-fat. Regardless of weight/height.

For example if the OP got to 175lbs but was cut and kept the bf% below 10% as well as dressed to accentuate his body he would pull those "maybe" girls.
If he were to get up to 200lbs but have 15% bf then his pull rate might take a hit because girls he normally is capable of pulling might not like the slightly chubby look.

Post: #31

Whats with this "where can I get laid with no game, skills, or effort" trend?

Whats the best place for skinny dudes?

Whats the best country for pasty white americans?

Whats the best country for thong bikinis?

Wheres the best beaches for tattooed french unemployed mimes?

Whats the best beach resort for polyamorous bi-anal blue-pill indian race non-trolls?

No game troll is the new short height troll.

Post: #32

(06-08-2015 02:22 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 01:09 AM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:51 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 10:47 PM)travolta Wrote:  Asia- Japan. You won't see many really jacked up guys over there. Girls like skinny guys over there (well more "fit" than skinny). Go to Asia and you won't have to worry about being scrawny.

This.

Asia is the best place for skinny dudes.

Obviously you should work out to raise your T, be healthy and get toned no matter what your natural body shape is but the extreme pursuit of a body builder physique is mostly an anglo thing.

It's sad that higher obesity weight in a country's women is a strong predictor of how common dudes there feel they MUST get "jacked" to compete for the remaining scraps that are left.

It's funny because if you are built well in Asia you have a huge leg up on your competition for the same reason. Two sides to that story.

Being well built helps everywhere obviously and is what you should strive for, no one was arguing against this. But the threshold to be "well built" means different things in difference places. No place outside the anglosphere has women that are as hypergamous and as obsessed with mass on guys (whether it be muscle or just solid stocky fat dudes.)

This is simple to understand, all girls like to be dominated and feel secure with a guy thats bigger than them. In a country where the average female weighs 125lbs a guy who weighs 160 is clearly bigger and makes her feel feminine but in a country where average chicks weigh 170 they will have higher demands for a dude to be over 200lbs. Follow me?

Oh yeah no doubt I'm not disagreeing with you, just showing the other side of the coin. Ponting out the irony.

It works very much the same way with height out here. I'm much "taller" in Asia than in America and it helps me greatly, but if I were even taller it would be much much better, even more so than in America, just because of the lack of height here makes you exponentially more desireable and exotic.

We are in agreement but it's just ironic that it can be haven for both.

Post: #33

(06-08-2015 02:51 AM)germanico Wrote:  Whats with this "where can I get laid with no game, skills, or effort" trend?

Whats the best place for skinny dudes?

Whats the best country for pasty white americans?

Whats the best country for thong bikinis?

Wheres the best beaches for tattooed french unemployed mimes?

Whats the best beach resort for polyamorous bi-anal blue-pill indian race non-trolls?

No game troll is the new short height troll.

Damnit man, now you're making me feel bad, I was just about to start a "Where's The Best Place For Tall, Muscular Guys With Accents and Ambiguous Racial Backgrounds?" thread.

Post: #34

There's no harm in getting in where you fit in jariel

Post: #35

I was going back from a concert in NYC last night and it was the first time I was rocking a muscle Tee.

There was a larger concentration of girls in the subway area, and every time I looked around I would catch a girl looking away. A few of them were eye-fucking me over and over.

Getting bigger and more ripped is the easiest and hardest way to improve your game.