Post: #1

To me superhero movies have gotten ridiculously bluepill as of late. Some movies like Spiderman have turned Peter Parker from a smart-ass, intelligent, and confident dude to a young hipsterish, pedestalizing, and overly emotional mess. Now a lot of critics agree that Nolan's Batman series are arguably the most well made superhero movies ever. The Dark Knight is considered to be the best of the three but I always liked the motif and background themes in TDKR more than TDK.

Then it hit me...The Dark Knight Rises is an accurate of a man who has learned about the red pill and is dealing with his emotions.

Allow me to explain.
Alfred being his paternal figure mentions a fantasy he had of seeing Bruce with a family in a far away place in Europe, much like many of our parent's tell us when they realize that we are no longer focused on having a family

Bruce's indifference to being betrayed by Catwoman...we are no longer surprised when women betray us or lie to us...

With Bruce's influence many expect him to act like a billionaire playboy and date model women and hang with other billionaires, but he refuses and spends his life doing something more meaningful. As we swallow the red pill, we tend to pull back from society and become un-synchronized with society (is that a word?) and lock ourselves away and dedicate ourselves to self - improvement etc.

The movie is not bogged down with love interests or a cliche love story. No matter how much attention he gets his goals are clear.

There are other things but I'm in sort of hurry. What do you guys think? Maybe this thread has been done before...

Post: #2

I cant even watch that movie without thinking about that huge omega killing all those people. He should be fertilizer.

Post: #3

Plus Bruce (hero) banged the girl Bane (villain) had been hovering around for decades.

Moral: Even if you're jacked, just doing shit for a woman won't get you laid.

Post: #4

The films draw heavily from Frank Miller's Dark Knight/Bruce Wayne. In Frank Miller's Dark Knight he is not a mainstream thinker(he thought the system was failing society so he adapted to improve it by becoming a vigilante). That's as close as it gets to being a red pill movie.

I think you're reading too much in to it to ascribe red pill thinking to a whole film. There are some beta/blue pill/what not to do elements of the film. He falls for women who dupe him very easily being an obvious example.

Post: #5

Clearly the worst of the three Nolan movies and a total POS overall.

Post: #6

(05-02-2015 12:16 PM)not_dead_yet Wrote:  Clearly the worst of the three Nolan movies and a total POS overall.

I agree that it was the weakest Nolan Batman movie but I think it was still a good movie overall and much better than most other comic book movies.

Post: #7

I didn't like how Bane wasn't the criminal mastermind. That twist ruined it for me. Also there was no way his plan could outfly the nuke, or he could reset a broken back with a rope.

Post: #8

The most Red Pill movie of the entire generation? So the most RP of the last 20-30 years? I seriously doubt it.

Bruce Wayne was always the most Red Pill character. The reason he appears to be some kind of MGTOW there ditching girls for running around in a cape is because he is a tormented and driven man who wakes up in nightmares almost every night decades after the incidence.

Then in the end he marries the woman, ditches being Batman, accepts being much poorer and letting the inheritance and legacy of his previous generations go to the cleaners. Effectively he somehow without explanation lets go of his mental demons and lives happy ever after.

That is essentially feminine imperative super-meme:

+ 30 year old pre-wall woman - a 7 on a good day - tames the elusive billionaire Super-Alpha
+ keep in mind that she is 30 right around the epiphany phase - not the hot cute 22 year old who wants to settle down - this is perfectly feminism and feminine imperative combined - a Jezebel reader, heck even a Jezebel writer would condone that
+ he lets go of his passion
+ he lets go of most of his family's money

The ending is not really Red Pill and I doubt that the movie is - it's at best neutral to feminism light.

Post: #9

Is the Dark Knight Rises the one with Bane? That one was shit and made no sense. I liked the 2nd one most with the exception of the passengers not blowing up the convict ferry and Two Face being far too generous in teaming up with Joker just after he had killed his bitch.

Post: #10

Relevant:

Post: #11

The truth path to red pill is to realize nothing in Hollywood is red pill. There are real heros, in real time, that men should emulate.


   


Don't let the big screen distract you from reality. After all, who do you think is behind the curtain?





   

Post: #12

Batman is an inspector gadget pussy with a fake deep voice and a mask.

If there was such a redpill superhero, he would only need a bottle of Jack and a fuck you attitude. Like this:

Post: #13

Batman Begins is not only the best movie of the Nolan series, it's also the most red-pill.

He goes away for many years to seek out his purpose, harden his soul, and explore his own journey of self discovery.

He comes back and takes charge of his company.

Doesn't get overly infatuated with his childhood sweetheart, instead he ignores her as he has much bigger shit to deal with.

There is more of it. I just don't remember the movie that clearly.

Post: #14

The best/ most "red pill" scene from the series is the following, especially from 2:20-3:10. The Dark Knight should have ended with the boat of "good people" blowing up the boat of felons.





A true red pill movie from the last generation is Eyes Wide Shut. So red pill that Kubrick got killed because of it. It was a culmination of all the clues he was dropping in his previous films.

Read up on the Ryan O'neal - Tatum O'neal relationship. Read up on Cannes film festival sex cruises. Read up on Kirk Douglas's shady past with regard to rape/murder. These are former stars in Kubrick films. Hell look at the shit that Tom Cruise is influenced by with Scientology. Kubrick knew too much and tried to expose it. He was either killed - or made the movie because he knew he was going to die - or died from the stresses of his life being constantly threatened.

Post: #15

(05-02-2015 04:09 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  A true red pill movie from the last generation is Eyes Wide Shut. So red pill that Kubrick got killed because of it.

Fucking Illuminati.

Post: #16

Bruce Wayne from the comics is red pill. Always the mission above anything and everything else.

But the TDK trilogy was not red pill. The most red pill was Batman Begins, where for a time, it was the mission above all else. By the time TDK came around, he was already finding a means to an end so he can live happily ever after with his oneitis. Him are Harvey are not so different. While Harvey went batsh*t insane, he at least finished the mission. BUT the moment you KNOW this trilogy is NOT redpill is went he let himself go for 8 goddam years because his oneitis died. EIGHT YEARS! He became a hermit, did not run his company, no more Batman, and just wasted away growing a hobo beard. Wasted 8 years not living because of one girl. How is that red pill?

I guess you CAN say he learned his lesson after his comeback, but then he gets betrayed by both female leads in the film, BOTH. Sure you can say he banged the girl that Bane was orbiting for years, but can you really say it was because of his game, and NOT because it was part of her plan all along to gain his trust via pussy? I guess you can consider the ending happy, if not necessarily red pill. He ran away with the better looking (imo) girl of the two, and if you think deeper, he didn't really lose all his fortune if this movie is based on anything real at all, since any investigation into the loss of his fortune can be concluded to be a fraud, and his fortune should be returned to him. Now whether he donated that all away by the end is an entirely different story. But I'm sure he kept some of it; how else is he gonna finance his lifestyle. He didn't look destitute at all at the end, kind of enjoying life like a secret billionaire, eating and drinking at high end places around Europe when he meets Alfred again.

So were there redpill elements? Yes, in the first movie and the end of last one (maaaaybe), but most redpill of this gen? Not a chance. Having hardcore oneitis for 8+ years killed any chance of that.

Post: #17

Post: #18

(05-02-2015 12:49 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The most Red Pill movie of the entire generation? So the most RP of the last 20-30 years? I seriously doubt it.

Bruce Wayne was always the most Red Pill character. The reason he appears to be some kind of MGTOW there ditching girls for running around in a cape is because he is a tormented and driven man who wakes up in nightmares almost every night decades after the incidence.

Then in the end he marries the woman, ditches being Batman, accepts being much poorer and letting the inheritance and legacy of his previous generations go to the cleaners. Effectively he somehow without explanation lets go of his mental demons and lives happy ever after.

That is essentially feminine imperative super-meme:

+ 30 year old pre-wall woman - a 7 on a good day - tames the elusive billionaire Super-Alpha
+ keep in mind that she is 30 right around the epiphany phase - not the hot cute 22 year old who wants to settle down - this is perfectly feminism and feminine imperative combined - a Jezebel reader, heck even a Jezebel writer would condone that
+ he lets go of his passion
+ he lets go of most of his family's money

The ending is not really Red Pill and I doubt that the movie is - it's at best neutral to feminism light.

Thread over. Shut it down.

Post: #19

The Dark Knight Rises is a horrifically bad film and a shameful way to end what could have been a perfect trilogy. Nolan mismashed iconic storylines, the Dark Knight Returns and No Man's Land, into a bizarre plot that did not cohere. Nolan has had enough films to learn how to shoot a fight scene, but has gotten worse.

From the opening CIA scene where they take Bane onto the plane without knowing who he is when all they had to do is take off the bag outside the plane. Already a disastrous beginning.

The nonsensical worn-out cartiledge in Batman's knees.

The entire GPD going into the sewers leaving three officers above ground. Looooooooooooool

The armed takeover of the Gotham Stock Exchange leading to Bruce losing control over Wayne Enterprises. Are you kidding me.

The flash drive USB thing that is used to justify Catwoman's presence in the plot... that erases her every recorded crime when she boots it from every intelligence agency server in the world. It is insulting.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character figuring out that Bruce is Batman. Yet another unforgivable moment.

The backstory with Talia and Bane in the prison in Turkghanistan comes out of nowhere and only left me nonplussed. What an underwhelming plot twist the movie was built on. I almost felt physically sick when the narration has the little girl be the first person to climb out of the whole. And Batman has to take 3 tries to climb out of it.

Catwoman being incarcerated with the male prisoners in Blackgate Penitentiary. Wat.

The hamfisted Alfred imaging Bruce's parents in Milan to 'artistically foreshadow' the 'poetic' ending. Get out of here with that bullshit.

The ending misleading you into thinking Batman sacrificed himself, then having him survive a nuclear explosion right on top of the bomb. Lucius even SAID the autopilot wasn't working for the Batwing.

None of these are nitpicks. These are about fifteen or so egregious, suspension-of-disbelief breaking scenes in this film. The movie is a succession of WTF moments. It's fucking nonstop.

Bane's voice.

Batman's voice. If Nolan let Bale talk right, it would have made the whole thing bearable. But he couldn't even let the fans have that.

The ending battle between the GPD and Bane's army with automatic weapons resulting in two, maybe three people shot and turning into a fistfightl.

A 4/10 movie. Outright terrible and probably worse than the third Godfather film. The only explanation is that Nolan ran into production issues with the death of Heath Ledger, making the intended plot of the third film unviable and being forced to come up with this ad-hoc script. There's no way the director of the first two films could produce a clusterfuck this disastrous. It's like the writers of Point Break came up with this.

Just catastrophically bad. I am someone who is determined not to watch bad films. I see a trailer, consider the actors, and directors' past records, consider the plot points, and decide whether it will be a good or bad film. To be tricked into watching this abortion of a movie was one of the most brutal experiences at the theater I've ever had to sit through.

Post: #20

(05-02-2015 06:03 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  The ending battle between the GPD and Bane's army with automatic weapons resulting in two, maybe three people shot and turning into a fistfight.

This part was absolutely unforgivable. There were tons of them, they were well prepared, and they had the high ground. Yet they shoot their assault rifles a few times and then rush to meet the cops for the most retarded fistfight in the history of cinema. I was furious during that entire scene.

Post: #21

I would consider it as "the most redpill movie of the generation," if, in the very first fight scene involving Catwoman, Batman, and Bane's henchman--Catwoman fails to deliver a single, meaningful strike to a Bane henchman and is instead laughed at and easily subdued, only to be rescued by Batman, to whom she serves as a de facto secretary for the rest of the film.

Post: #22

Vin Diesel is channeling Bane in the newest Furious movie, sounds like the fucking Cookie Monster. You need subtitles to get what he is saying.

Post: #23

The entire movie just paled in comparison to the second in the reboot of a reboot of a reboot of a television-to-movie hollywood moneygrab. Blue Valentine was more red pill than that.

Anyways, obligatory:

Quote:Let's wind the clock back a year. These cops and laywers wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean...what happened? Did your balls drop off?


...I know why you have your little *clears throat* group therapy sessions in broad daylight...

Post: #24

(05-02-2015 11:19 AM)rudeBoy Wrote:  Then it hit me...The Dark Knight Rises is an accurate of a man who has learned about the red pill and is dealing with his emotions.

Allow me to explain.
Alfred being his paternal figure mentions a fantasy he had of seeing Bruce with a family in a far away place in Europe, much like many of our parent's tell us when they realize that we are no longer focused on having a family

Sadly, pretty much all of that is undone in the last scene of the film, where Alfred gets precisely the outcome he wants for Bruce Wayne. It's heavily implied in that scene that Bruce and Selina's relationship is a stable one that will continue for many years, notwithstanding the fact she's been a complete asshole to him throughout 95% of the film and was the one who betrayed him to Bane.

Quote:With Bruce's influence many expect him to act like a billionaire playboy and date model women and hang with other billionaires, but he refuses and spends his life doing something more meaningful. As we swallow the red pill, we tend to pull back from society and become un-synchronized with society (is that a word?) and lock ourselves away and dedicate ourselves to self - improvement etc.

The movie is not bogged down with love interests or a cliche love story. No matter how much attention he gets his goals are clear.

I think you're thinking more of TDK here than TDKR. During this film, the prime reason Bruce has basically let himself go to shit -- leaving aside the fact Batman isn't really needed -- is because of a really, really bad case of oneitis.

He specifically cannot move on because he thought Rachel was going to marry him when he stopped being Batman, even though she was banging Harvey Dent.

(In passing, I have liked, in a grotesque way, the theory in TDK that Rachel was pregnant when she was killed by the Joker. The only explicit support for it is Harvey Dent's line "where my family died" when speaking to Gordon, but it's a significantly more horrifying prospect and better explains Dent's flip-flop to the Evulz and his hard-on for killing Gordon's son as well as his wife.)

Post: #25

Despite his name, the Dark Knight does a hell of a lot of white knighting.