(08-07-2016 03:01 AM)AFS Wrote:  I'm seeing a lot of commentary about Hillary's health. Cernovich has proposed making it a main line of attack.

That's all well and good, but if she had a seizure in the middle of a speech and then decided to drop out due to health reasons, that wouldn't bode well for Trump. It would be a huge pity party from the media, followed by Joe Biden coming out as the "incredible, fresh new candidate that people can finally feel comfortable choosing over Trump."

Agreed. Trump should let the base handle this.

(08-07-2016 11:48 PM)komatiite Wrote:  I can't think of a single Catholic country that has a good economy, including all of Latin America, Spain, Italy etc.

Austria, half of Switzerland, half of Germany, Belgium.
HBD explains far more than religion on this score.

Quote:Anyone got any good reads on why Catholics are like this? Genuinely curious to understand this, I just cannot figure out why Catholics are so left wing. Is this a recent thing or has Catholicism been a hindrance on western civilization for centuries? I have never read Max Weber "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" maybe that is a good start.

Real talk:

In the early days of the schism, Catholicism was aristocratic, and Protestantism was petit bourgeois.

People who could afford educations knew Latin and didn't care about informing the masses about Meshkemahoolazash and the parable of the ripe berries (of sin.)

But the uneducated, ambitious lower middle class resented being left out, and ended up making a bigger deal out of the Old Testament than the entire Middle Ages ever did.

Being your own priest was about as appealing to nobles as being their own valets.
"Conscience? Can't Father John take care of that? I have a ball and a duel to attend. Roast a swan for my victorious return."

But people with a little money and a little free time found themselves with hours they could still not afford to fill. Dissecting their own consciences gave them something to do.

And so on. The Puritans of England were far more socialistic in their behaviour than the Catholic-sympathising Cavaliers.
In fact, they really represent the full bloom of Protestantism, which was the original ideology, the belief that we could strip away all tradition and live "naturally," but really in an artificial system constructed by the power-hungry.

I wish I could support the modern Church, but the history of that cultural war is at least instructive.

I think that the below picture that Cernovich retweeted is great.

Though the still-photo isn't the easiest to interpret, it's seemingly of HRC's handler supporting someone's hand behind her back to give the illusion that he's embracing her while they pose for a photo op.

Possible reasons as to why she can't afford to have someone put their arm around her:

1. She's physically unstable due to PD or other neurological disease.
2. She's so far up her own ass that she's taken to refusing the touch of mortals.
3. She's crazy to the point that she has some type of psychological issue with being touched.

Look of continuing evidence of her handlers running such interference.

Great recent points about how Donald will crush Hillary in a debate (she doesnt have the stamina, ability to think on her feet, etc) and I also agree with this view EXCEPT...she held up pretty well during, what, 12 hours(?) of questioning for Benghazi? Not that the Republicans asked the right questions, etc but from a stamina perspective she held up pretty well. Unless of course her condition has materially deteriorated since the Banghazi hearing but that was only 10 months ago. Any thoughts?

(08-08-2016 08:14 AM)FSO Wrote:  Great recent points about how Donald will crush Hillary in a debate (she doesnt have the stamina, ability to think on her feet, etc) and I also agree with this view EXCEPT...she held up pretty well during, what, 12 hours(?) of questioning for Benghazi? Not that the Republicans asked the right questions, etc but from a stamina perspective she held up pretty well. Unless of course her condition has materially deteriorated since the Banghazi hearing but that was only 10 months ago. Any thoughts?

Her health is clearly an issue. However she has managed so far to get away with it, partly due to getting a media pass, but partly because she can be medicated into something approaching normalcy. This was the case with the Benghazi hearing. She did well, presumably after a bevy of shots and pills and a week preparing in health spa-like conditions. Thing is, can she keep it up, or will she melt down publicly? That's what makes it so fascinating to watch.

(08-08-2016 12:00 AM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 11:51 PM)Enoch Wrote:  Looks like Cernovich has broken the biggest Clinton story of the campaign head over to his Twitter... Hillary always shadowed by medic seen carrying diazapram injector.

^ Wow, no way she's going to survive the debates with Trump

There's no question that this guy is a medical professional tasked with keeping Staggering Hillary on her feet, but that looks like an image of a sleeve microphone, not a medical injector.

I hope I'm wrong.

(08-08-2016 08:27 AM)RawGod Wrote:  She did well, presumably after a bevy of shots and pills and a week preparing in health spa-like conditions. Thing is, can she keep it up, or will she melt down publicly? That's what makes it so fascinating to watch.

Imagine how much down-time would be a part of her Presidency, just in preparation to look presentable. What would she need to prepare for a press conference? A week? Three weeks?

Imagine how little public face-time she will have.

Now imagine all of this under the watch of the Right, that has now latched onto her issues.

Now imagine all of this under the average stresses of the Presidency, supposedly one of the most emotionally taxing jobs in the world.

If she gets elected, this is what will happen:

She'll spend all of her time preparing to look presentable in the public eye. One event will pass and she'll begin preparing for the next, and this preparation will increasingly become more important and longer as she ages and the stress further takes its toll.

She'll be medicated all of the time, not just with meds for her neuro disorders but with anxiety meds to keep her outward demeanor on an even-keel.

A shadow presidency will step in. It won't be the vice-president. It'll probably be a circle of people. There's no way she'll remain competent enough to make decisions, if she is now (which is doubtful).

Was Hillary in a Plane Crash in Iraq in 2012? Is this the source of her head trauma/seizures?

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/9457

Clinton Injured, US Navy Seal Killed In Secret US Mission To Iran

Posted by EU Times on Dec 30th, 2012

UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05797628 Date: 02/29/2016

A new Foreign Military Intelligence (GRU) report circulating in the Kremlin today is saying that United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton [photo 2nd right] was injured, and a top US Navy Seal Commander killed when their C-12 Huron military passenger and transport aircraft crash landed nearly 3 weeks ago in the Iranian city of Ahvaz near the Iraqi border.

Iranian intelligence agents quoted in this GRU report confirm that the C-12 Huron aircraft is still in their possession in Ahvaz, but will only admit that the plane was "forced to land because of technical problems".

The US Navy Seal member reported killed in this bizarre incident, this report says, was indentified as Commander Job W. Price [photo 3rd right] who as a leader of this highly specialized American Special Forces unit protects high-ranking diplomats traveling in Middle Eastern and Asian combat zones.

Curiously, US media reports on Commander Price's death say it being investigated as a possible suicide as he died from what the American Defense Department describes as "a non-combat related injury".

Equally as curious, US media reports state that Secretary Clinton will return to work next week after her having suffered what they describe as a "nasty bout with stomach flu" and a "concussion" which have kept her missing from public view the past three weeks.

This GRU report, however, states that US military flight logs recorded by Russian air and space forces confirm that Commander Price, and other members of US Navy Seal Team 4, left their base in Urozgan Province, Afghanistan on a flight to US Naval Support Activity Bahrain where they met up with Secretary Clinton and all of them transferred to the C- 12 Huron that began a flight path to Baghdad, Iraq.

Within minutes of leaving Bahrain airspace, this report says, the C-12 Huron carrying Secretary Clinton and her US Navy Seal protectors, "without notice," deviated from their assigned flight path heading, instead, directly towards Iran's Ahwaz International Airport where, coincidentally, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had previously landed on an "unscheduled" visit.

Important to note, GRU analysts say in this report, was that when the C-12 Huron entered into Iranian airspace neither American nor Iran air force units responded clearly indicating that this secret mission was sanctioned.

Upon the C-12 Huron landing at Ahwaz, however, this report says it encountered "extreme turbulence" causing it to leave the runway where its main landing gear then collapsed causing it to crash. Within seconds of the C-12 Huron crashing, this report continues, Iranian emergency and security personal responded freeing the victims, including Secretary Clinton who was reportedly unconscious and "bleeding profusely."

After emergency aid was given, GRU agents stationed in Iran state that another US military flight was dispatched from Bahrain to Ahwaz which evacuated all of those wounded and killed in the crash including Secretary Clinton. Strangely to note, this report says, is that in the aftermath of this crash, Iran's main oil company announced today that they were buying the Ahwaz airport with the intention of moving it because, they say, oil was discovered beneath it.


In the beginning of 2013 this was the official story that came out
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/pol...-clot.html

Hillary is a walking Elvis at this point. She should be shooting the TV by September and dying on the toilet in October. Having a doctor helicopter over her 24/7 is the end. As smart as doctors claim to be, they cant even diagnose jock itch properly everytime.

Hillary "Weekend at Bernie's" Clinton!

Oh!
Someone was triggered enough to try & defend the ol' Hilldog from that nasty Cernovich!

@Cernovich 3m
".@daveweigel Fact-check your story. I am best known as an author and journalist"


Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...ryshealth/

At the same time, the Drudge Report, WorldNetDaily and a small army of would-be Twitter sleuths tried to build the case that the Democratic nominee for president has serious health issues and only they had noticed. Clinton's age and health had been subject to parody by some conservative media, but the new speculation was completely serious.

So of course. Now the story gets more coverage & a few folk might pause & reflect...

(08-08-2016 11:33 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Oh!
Someone was triggered enough to try & defend the ol' Hilldog from that nasty Cernovich!

@Cernovich 3m
".@daveweigel Fact-check your story. I am best known as an author and journalist"


Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...ryshealth/

At the same time, the Drudge Report, WorldNetDaily and a small army of would-be Twitter sleuths tried to build the case that the Democratic nominee for president has serious health issues and only they had noticed. Clinton's age and health had been subject to parody by some conservative media, but the new speculation was completely serious.

So of course. Now the story gets more coverage & a few folk might pause & reflect...

Fucking geniuses at WaPo are playing right into Mike's frame....they never learn.

great first comment in that article: Trump should require her to submit to release her medical records and submit to an independent physical exam. Chances are she would find a lying doctor, but her medical record might be harder to conceal.

If fat black shadow dude can be IDed as a doctor or nurse, that would nail the narrative, MSM whores like the WaPo won't be able to shill for her.

From the Wapo article

Quote:Cernovich's speculation started with an incident from last week, when Clinton was campaigning in Las Vegas. Mid-speech, she paused and narrowed her eyes to look at protesters. Secret Service Assistant Special Agent in Charge Todd Madison rushed to her side, telling her that the situation was under control, and that she could keep talking

So he is SS. Doubt the guy keeps a "LinkedIn" page to let us see if he has a medical background or education. More info needed, now that he is named I am sure internet sleuths will come up with more details.

(08-08-2016 11:53 AM)komatiite Wrote:  From the Wapo article

Quote:Cernovich's speculation started with an incident from last week, when Clinton was campaigning in Las Vegas. Mid-speech, she paused and narrowed her eyes to look at protesters. Secret Service Assistant Special Agent in Charge Todd Madison rushed to her side, telling her that the situation was under control, and that she could keep talking

So he is SS. Doubt the guy keeps a "LinkedIn" page to let us see if he has a medical background or education. More info needed, now that he is named I am sure internet sleuths will come up with more details.

Had a quick check.
Didn't see anything immediately, but I didn't bother to login to LinkedIn

(08-08-2016 11:57 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:53 AM)komatiite Wrote:  From the Wapo article

Quote:Cernovich's speculation started with an incident from last week, when Clinton was campaigning in Las Vegas. Mid-speech, she paused and narrowed her eyes to look at protesters. Secret Service Assistant Special Agent in Charge Todd Madison rushed to her side, telling her that the situation was under control, and that she could keep talking

So he is SS. Doubt the guy keeps a "LinkedIn" page to let us see if he has a medical background or education. More info needed, now that he is named I am sure internet sleuths will come up with more details.

Had a quick check.
Didn't see anything immediately, but I didn't bother to login to LinkedIn

Well LinkedIn as an example, but it will be hard to find anything. His name is super common sounding and I would imagine that SS agents are pretty well scrubbed on Google.

"Requires naps"

Did Bill learn this from Hillary? :




Heh.
& now the Russians are asking questions. To no real surprise of course :

@Cernovich 4m
"Even the Russians are asking questions about #HillarysHealth."

http://www.ves.lv/polzovateli-sotssetej-...i-klinton/

Hill is ill.

(08-08-2016 07:24 AM)dispenser Wrote:  Real talk:

In the early days of the schism, Catholicism was aristocratic, and Protestantism was petit bourgeois.

People who could afford educations knew Latin and didn't care about informing the masses about Meshkemahoolazash and the parable of the ripe berries (of sin.)

But the uneducated, ambitious lower middle class resented being left out, and ended up making a bigger deal out of the Old Testament than the entire Middle Ages ever did.

Being your own priest was about as appealing to nobles as being their own valets.
"Conscience? Can't Father John take care of that? I have a ball and a duel to attend. Roast a swan for my victorious return."

But people with a little money and a little free time found themselves with hours they could still not afford to fill. Dissecting their own consciences gave them something to do.

And so on. The Puritans of England were far more socialistic in their behaviour than the Catholic-sympathising Cavaliers.
In fact, they really represent the full bloom of Protestantism, which was the original ideology, the belief that we could strip away all tradition and live "naturally," but really in an artificial system constructed by the power-hungry.

I wish I could support the modern Church, but the history of that cultural war is at least instructive.

This is on point.

And I say this as someone who despises most Catholics, and who was raised in a Protestant church (where most people were really solid, dependable, successful folks who were pretty damn red pill).

Always look to the fruit of the tree. One such example is comparing the near-perfect beauty of Catholic churches and art, with the high school gym looking protestant churches and their funding of youth missions for brats to go to Europe and Latin America to "do skateboard outreach for Jesus".

Again, I find the Protestants I have met to be more interested in their own religion and healthier and happier. So that also counts as fruit. But gotta look at everything.

The pro-aristocratic positioning of the Catholic church speaks well in its favor.

Look at those unenthused "supporters" behind her.....
Low energy

(08-08-2016 12:48 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Hill is ill.

The hijacked #HillarysOlympics is well worth a look.

(08-08-2016 01:45 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:24 AM)dispenser Wrote:  Real talk:

In the early days of the schism, Catholicism was aristocratic, and Protestantism was petit bourgeois.

People who could afford educations knew Latin and didn't care about informing the masses about Meshkemahoolazash and the parable of the ripe berries (of sin.)

But the uneducated, ambitious lower middle class resented being left out, and ended up making a bigger deal out of the Old Testament than the entire Middle Ages ever did.

Being your own priest was about as appealing to nobles as being their own valets.
"Conscience? Can't Father John take care of that? I have a ball and a duel to attend. Roast a swan for my victorious return."

But people with a little money and a little free time found themselves with hours they could still not afford to fill. Dissecting their own consciences gave them something to do.

And so on. The Puritans of England were far more socialistic in their behaviour than the Catholic-sympathising Cavaliers.
In fact, they really represent the full bloom of Protestantism, which was the original ideology, the belief that we could strip away all tradition and live "naturally," but really in an artificial system constructed by the power-hungry.

I wish I could support the modern Church, but the history of that cultural war is at least instructive.

This is on point.

And I say this as someone who despises most Catholics, and who was raised in a Protestant church (where most people were really solid, dependable, successful folks who were pretty damn red pill).

Always look to the fruit of the tree. One such example is comparing the near-perfect beauty of Catholic churches and art, with the high school gym looking protestant churches and their funding of youth missions for brats to go to Europe and Latin America to "do skateboard outreach for Jesus".

Again, I find the Protestants I have met to be more interested in their own religion and healthier and happier. So that also counts as fruit. But gotta look at everything.

The pro-aristocratic positioning of the Catholic church speaks well in its favor.

Historically, the Catholic church (and the Orthodox as well) have been the primary target of "cultural marxists", going back to the days of the French revolution with Babeuf and on to Marx in the 20th century (WW1 dismantling of Russian christianity, of the Austro-Hungarian empire etc), while the protestants were seen as their allies. That was definitely the case on the continent.