As for the source of the leaks, it wouldn't surprise me if it was someone within the FBI who leaked the info. The FBI 4chan guy said the whole system was corrupt from top to bottom but couldn't prosecute without starting a war with the entire government. So the FBI instead is working to influence the election because once Trump is in the President's seat the FBI will have real power.

I didn't read through all those pages and pages of the FBI guy on reddit thing, cause I assumed it was just some redditor having a laugh.

Has any of it turned out to be true?

Hopefully someone has access to the 30k+ emails she deleted that most likely have evidence of her crimes

Hopefully these emails are leaked 3-7 days before the presidential vote. I think that would be perfect for maximum damage and it wouldn't give the dems enough time to find a replacement.

I'm afraid that they might leak the emails after Hillary gets elected to show how much of a joke our government is.

(08-01-2016 01:59 AM)NerdyNomad Wrote:  Hopefully someone has access to the 30k+ emails she deleted that most likely have evidence of her crimes

Hopefully these emails are leaked 3-7 days before the presidential vote. I think that would be perfect for maximum damage and it wouldn't give the dems enough time to find a replacement.

I'm afraid that they might leak the emails after Hillary gets elected to show how much of a joke our government is.

The final week before the election would be too late. I wouldn't change anyone's mind, and the media would say they're all fake.

The ideal time is sometime in August, right before the debates. That way Trump can hammer her in the debates over the content of them. Remember, most people never read deeper into the news than what their favorite network reports.

(08-01-2016 12:01 AM)etwsake Wrote:  I didn't read through all those pages and pages of the FBI guy on reddit thing, cause I assumed it was just some redditor having a laugh.

Has any of it turned out to be true?

It was an FBI guy on 4chan, and it was all copied to reddit. 4chan is the lions' den of trolls. That said, everything the alleged FBI guy was saying sounded totally plausible. Most of it, we won't know if he was right about all of it and every bit of information comes out to verify what he is saying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comm...st_the_qa/

^^ It's a half-decent troll job. He lost me at response 45:

Quote:/pol/ is an amalgamation of minds from various geographic and demographic factions. We study very intensely the ideas which emanate and gain prominence on the board as well as which ideas other organizations try to promote which ultimately get defeated.

/pol/ irl:




Response 49:

Geroge Soros being the "kingpin" also doesn't jive very well. There are a large number of billionaires with much more money than Soros, and who undoubtedly have a stake in politics. If they are for his brand of politics then why are they not the "kingpin, and if they are against it them then why not visibly oppose Soros? The logic points to almost all billionaires endorsing his politics in some way but he not being the "kingpin".

Quote:Bussed in seat fillers apparently

If you are wondering how the Dems plan to win with this candidate, just look at the recent court rulings on voter ID laws.

(08-01-2016 09:29 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  ^^ It's a half-decent troll job. He lost me at response 45:

Quote:/pol/ is an amalgamation of minds from various geographic and demographic factions. We study very intensely the ideas which emanate and gain prominence on the board as well as which ideas other organizations try to promote which ultimately get defeated.

/pol/ irl:




Response 49:

Geroge Soros being the "kingpin" also doesn't jive very well. There are a large number of billionaires with much more money than Soros, and who undoubtedly have a stake in politics. If they are for his brand of politics then why are they not the "kingpin, and if they are against it them then why not visibly oppose Soros?

"The whole government is guilty of treason"

No law enforcement agent could make such an absurd comment.

Only INDIVIDUALS can be guilty of crimes, and the above would make sense only if every single person working for the government was guilty of treason.

Troll job.

^ Nah, he was just using shorthand. He obviously means there are a shitload of individuals guilty of treason.

More news on the leaks from NSA whistleblower, William Binney:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-31...ay-be-leak

Binney claims that the 33K deleted emails are all in possession of the NSA, and that the most likely person who leaked the info to WikiLeaks came from either the NSA or FBI. A "disgruntled" intelligence worker.

Now it is being revealed that Hillary may have been smuggling weapons to Russia:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-01...e-skolkovo

Hillary’s Latest Headache: Skolkovo

Quote:One such project was Skolkovo, an “innovation city” of 30,000 people on the outskirts of Moscow, billed as Russia’s version of Silicon Valley. As chief diplomat, Hillary was in charge of courting US companies to invest in this new Russian city. Russia, on the other hand, had committed to spend $5 billion over the next three years (2009-12).

As Schweizer continues, “soon, dozens of U.S. tech firms, including top Clinton Foundation donors like Google, Intel and Cisco, made major financial contributions to Skolkovo, with Cisco committing a cool $1 billion. In May 2010, the State Department facilitated a Moscow visit by 22 of the biggest names in U.S. venture capital—and weeks later the first memorandums of understanding were signed by Skolkovo and American companies.

By 2012 the vice president of the Skolkovo Foundation, Conor Lenihan—who had previously partnered with the Clinton Foundation—recorded that Skolkovo had assembled 28 Russian, American and European “Key Partners.”

Of the 28 “partners,” 17, or 60%, have made financial commitments to the Clinton Foundation, totaling tens of millions of dollars, or sponsored speeches by Bill Clinton…

Russians tied to Skolkovo also flowed funds to the Clinton Foundation. Andrey Vavilov, the chairman of SuperOx, which is part of Skolkovo’s nuclear-research cluster, donated between $10,000 and $25,000 (donations are reported in ranges, not exact amounts) to the Clinton’s family charity”

Thus far, this should not be surprising. It is yet another instance of crony capitalism that has so well characterized the Clintons over the years. However, as US intelligence agencies including the FBI were soon to find out, the Russian Silicon Valley served other purposes as well.

More from the WSJ op-ed: “The state-of-the-art technological research coming out of Skolkovo raised alarms among U.S. military experts and federal law-enforcement officials. Research conducted in 2012 on Skolkovo by the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Program at Fort Leavenworth declared that the purpose of Skolkovo was to serve as a “vehicle for world-wide technology transfer to Russia in the areas of information technology, biomedicine, energy, satellite and space technology, and nuclear technology.”Moreover, the report said: “the Skolkovo Foundation has, in fact, been involved in defense-related activities since December 2011, when it approved the first weapons-related project—the development of a hypersonic cruise missile engine. . . . Not all of the center’s efforts are civilian in nature…”

“The FBI believes the true motives of the Russian partners, who are often funded by their government, is to gain access to classified, sensitive, and emerging technology from the companies. The [Skolkovo] foundation may be a means for the Russian government to access our nation’s sensitive or classified research development facilities and dual-use technologies with military and commercial application.”

More leaks to come...

Saw a link on the donald reddit. Can't share on mobile.

It had Clinton linked to Lafarge, which is a firm that is paying tribute to ISIS in order to work in Syria. They donate to Hilary.

But, it's not as important as Trumps tweets about that muslim shill.

It's relevant that the Zerohedge piece on Clinton and Russia is referencing an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal.

This is because this opinion piece is one of the first serious anti-Clinton articles that I've seen in any outlet that can be said to be a true member of the MSM and isn't Fox, at least since after the RNC.

Unfortunately, the article is now behind a paywall / login (you may be able to register and log-in for free). It wasn't earlier this afternoon. They either must have realized that it was getting a lot of traffic and are being overly-bottom line oriented, which I hold that the WSJ tends to be, or they are having second political thoughts about its free dissemination.

The Clinton Foundation, State and Kremlin Connections - WSJ

(08-01-2016 03:43 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 12:01 AM)etwsake Wrote:  I didn't read through all those pages and pages of the FBI guy on reddit thing, cause I assumed it was just some redditor having a laugh.

Has any of it turned out to be true?

It was an FBI guy on 4chan, and it was all copied to reddit. 4chan is the lions' den of trolls. That said, everything the alleged FBI guy was saying sounded totally plausible. Most of it, we won't know if he was right about all of it and every bit of information comes out to verify what he is saying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comm...st_the_qa/

FBI guy did throw in some false information in those posts to deflect any serious attention on him and convince some people he is troll. Most of the information he gave is focus on the Clinton Foundation and Soros connections. The Trump thread has links to the 4chan saved threads. Its rabbit hole of information that you have to sort out.

(08-01-2016 12:30 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  It's relevant that the Zerohedge piece on Clinton and Russia is referencing an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal.

This is because this opinion piece is one of the first serious anti-Clinton articles that I've seen in any outlet that can be said to be a true member of the MSM and isn't Fox, at least since after the RNC.

Unfortunately, the article is now behind a paywall / login (you may be able to register and log-in for free). It wasn't earlier this afternoon. They either must have realized that it was getting a lot of traffic and are being overly-bottom line oriented, which I hold that the WSJ tends to be, or they are having second political thoughts about its free dissemination.

The Clinton Foundation, State and Kremlin Connections - WSJ

Copy and Paste: The Clinton Foundation, State and Kremlin Connections

into Google. Then click the WSJ link.

They only open full articles from searches.

The WSJ story for the lazy.

Quote:Hillary Clinton touts her tenure as secretary of state as a time of hardheaded realism and “commercial diplomacy” that advanced American national and commercial interests. But her handling of a major technology transfer initiative at the heart of Washington’s effort to “reset” relations with Russia raises serious questions about her record. Far from enhancing American national interests, Mrs. Clinton’s efforts in this area may have substantially undermined U.S. national security.

Consider Skolkovo, an “innovation city” of 30,000 people on the outskirts of Moscow, billed as Russia’s version of Silicon Valley—and a core piece of Mrs. Clinton’s quarterbacking of the Russian reset.

Following his 2009 visit to Moscow, President Obama announced the creation of the U.S.-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission. Mrs. Clinton as secretary of state directed the American side, and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov represented the Russians. The stated goal at the time: “identifying areas of cooperation and pursuing joint projects and actions that strengthen strategic stability, international security, economic well-being, and the development of ties between the Russian and American people.”

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The Kremlin committed $5 billion over three years to fund Skolkovo. Mrs. Clinton’s State Department worked aggressively to attract U.S. investment partners and helped the Russian State Investment Fund, Rusnano, identify American tech companies worthy of Russian investment. Rusnano, which a scientific adviser to President Vladimir Putin called “Putin’s child,” was created in 2007 and relies entirely on Russian state funding.

What could possibly go wrong?

Soon, dozens of U.S. tech firms, including top Clinton Foundation donors like Google, Intel and Cisco, made major financial contributions to Skolkovo, with Cisco committing a cool $1 billion. In May 2010, the State Department facilitated a Moscow visit by 22 of the biggest names in U.S. venture capital—and weeks later the first memorandums of understanding were signed by Skolkovo and American companies.


By 2012 the vice president of the Skolkovo Foundation, Conor Lenihan—who had previously partnered with the Clinton Foundation—recorded that Skolkovo had assembled 28 Russian, American and European “Key Partners.” Of the 28 “partners,” 17, or 60%, have made financial commitments to the Clinton Foundation, totaling tens of millions of dollars, or sponsored speeches by Bill Clinton.

Russians tied to Skolkovo also flowed funds to the Clinton Foundation. Andrey Vavilov, the chairman of SuperOx, which is part of Skolkovo’s nuclear-research cluster, donated between $10,000 and $25,000 (donations are reported in ranges, not exact amounts) to the Clinton’s family charity. Skolkovo Foundation chief and billionaire Putin confidant Viktor Vekselberg also gave to the Clinton Foundation through his company, Renova Group.

Amid all the sloshing of Russia rubles and American dollars, however, the state-of-the-art technological research coming out of Skolkovo raised alarms among U.S. military experts and federal law-enforcement officials. Research conducted in 2012 on Skolkovo by the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Program at Fort Leavenworth declared that the purpose of Skolkovo was to serve as a “vehicle for world-wide technology transfer to Russia in the areas of information technology, biomedicine, energy, satellite and space technology, and nuclear technology.”

Moreover, the report said: “the Skolkovo Foundation has, in fact, been involved in defense-related activities since December 2011, when it approved the first weapons-related project—the development of a hypersonic cruise missile engine. . . . Not all of the center’s efforts are civilian in nature.”

Technology can have multiple uses—civilian and military. But in 2014 the Boston Business Journal ran an op-ed placed by the FBI, and noted that the agency had sent warnings to technology and other companies approached by Russian venture-capital firms. The op-ed—under the byline of Lucia Ziobro, an assistant special agent at the FBI’s Boston office—said that “The FBI believes the true motives of the Russian partners, who are often funded by their government, is to gain access to classified, sensitive, and emerging technology from the companies.”

Ms. Ziobro also wrote that “The [Skolkovo] foundation may be a means for the Russian government to access our nation’s sensitive or classified research development facilities and dual-use technologies with military and commercial application.”

To anyone who was paying attention, the FBI’s warnings should have come as little surprise. A State Department cable sent to then-Secretary Clinton (and obtained via WikiLeaks) mentioned possible “dual use and export control concerns” related to research and development technology ventures with Moscow. And in its own promotional literature Skolkovo heralded the success of its development of the Atlant hybrid airship.

“Particularly noteworthy is Atlant’s ability to deliver military cargoes,” boasts the Made in Skolkovo publication: “The introduction of this unique vehicle is fully consistent with the concept of creating a mobile army and opens up new possibilities for mobile use of the means of radar surveillance, air and missile defense, and delivery of airborne troops.”

Even if it could be proven that these tens of millions of dollars in Clinton Foundation donations by Skolkovo’s key partners played no role in the Clinton State Department’s missing or ignoring obvious red flags about the Russian enterprise, the perception would still be problematic. (Neither the Clinton campaign nor the Clinton Foundation responded to requests for comment.) What is known is that the State Department recruited and facilitated the commitment of billions of American dollars in the creation of a Russian “Silicon Valley” whose technological innovations include Russian hypersonic cruise-missile engines, radar surveillance equipment, and vehicles capable of delivering airborne Russian troops.

A Russian reset, indeed.

Mark Cuban endorsed hillary. I guess he's trying to buy his way into the 'elite' club and is jealous of trump. I would consider Mark Cuban to be a 'rich outsider' vs. a 'Bildeberger' and it probably pisses him off to be in that boat.

(08-01-2016 02:13 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Mark Cuban endorsed hillary. I guess he's trying to buy his way into the 'elite' club and is jealous of trump. I would consider Mark Cuban to be a 'rich outsider' vs. a 'Bildeberger' and it probably pisses him off to be in that boat.

There aren't going to be any billionaires, other than Peter Thiel, who endorse Trump. Though, I'm ready for someone to immediately post evidence that contradicts this claim.

However, as a overwhelmingly dominant trend, that's going to be the case. Cuban would be a social anomaly and maybe even an outcast if he endorsed Trump. Given that I've never read anything about him that indicates any type of revolutionary or individualist ideology, let alone that paints him as an especially smart or principled man, I don't see why he would be the one to buck the billionaire herd.

I'm even suspicious of Thiel. That is, I'm unsure of his game. I suspect he's merely a neocon playing the other side of the fence for as long as possible. Though, his long-standing outsider image also helps. His gay privilege allows him to get away with it for a longer period of time than hetrosexual neocons found themselves comfortable with. He recently did a long interview with Bill Kristol. This doesn't say anything good about Thiel, in my opinion, though it'll be interesting to see how far his support carries regardless. I suspect that their relationship predates the current situation.

(08-01-2016 09:29 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  ^^ It's a half-decent troll job. He lost me at response 45:

Quote:/pol/ is an amalgamation of minds from various geographic and demographic factions. We study very intensely the ideas which emanate and gain prominence on the board as well as which ideas other organizations try to promote which ultimately get defeated.

/pol/ irl:




Response 49:

Geroge Soros being the "kingpin" also doesn't jive very well. There are a large number of billionaires with much more money than Soros, and who undoubtedly have a stake in politics. If they are for his brand of politics then why are they not the "kingpin, and if they are against it them then why not visibly oppose Soros? The logic points to almost all billionaires endorsing his politics in some way but he not being the "kingpin".

The part about them studying pol is believable. It's already proven in general (via Snowden leaks) that they study, monitor, and attempt to influence discussion forums such as the ones in question.

It's just not unique to them.

Agreed with the Soros thing though. The problem is that while Soros probably isn't the kingpin, a lot of the trails do lead back to him. He's a key player in all of this but it's extremely difficult to figure out who he is taking his orders from. Note * Possible medean connection here

Crooked earns the dreaded Four Pinocchios for telling whoppers.

More on the Skolkovo scandal.....Wait, which candidate is working for Russia again?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidenti...vt-fund-2/

Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta sat on the board of a small energy company alongside Russian officials that received $35 million from a Putin-connected Russian government fund, a relationship Podesta failed to fully disclose on his federal financial disclosures as required by law.

In 2014, the FBI issued what it called “an extraordinary warning” to several technology companies involved with Skolkovo. “The [Skolkovo] foundation may be a means for the Russian government to access our nation’s sensitive or classified research development facilities and dual-use technologies with military and commercial application,” warned Lucia Ziobro, the assistant special agent at the FBI’s Boston office. She added: “The FBI believes the true motives of the Russian partners, who are often funded by the government, is to gain access to classified, sensitive, and emerging technology from the companies.”

Still, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta sat on the executive board of a small energy company called Joule Unlimited. Joule, too, received the FBI letter warning about Skolkovo. Other Joule board members included senior Russian officials. According to the GAI report: “Two months after Podesta joined the board, Vladimir Putin’s Rusnano announced that it would invest up to one billion rubles into Joule Unlimited, which amounts to $35 million. That represents one-fifth of the entire amount of investment dollars Joule collected from 2007 to 2013.”

Rusnano, which former Russian education and science minister and current science advisor to Vladmir Putin Andrei Fursenko describes as “Putin’s child,” was founded by Putin in 2007.

The GAI investigative report says it’s unclear how much, if any, money Podesta made. The reason: Podesta was on the board of three Joule entities, but only listed two on his disclosure; the most important entity, Joule Stichting, he did not list. “Podesta’s compensation by Joule cannot be fully determined,” reads the report. “In his 2014 federal government disclosure filing, Podesta lists that he divested stock options from Joule. However, the disclosure does not cover the years 2011-2012.”

Why Podesta failed to reveal, as required by law on his federal financial disclosures, his membership on the board of this offshore company is presently unknown.

“But the flows of funds from Russia during the ‘reset’ to Podesta-connected entities apparently didn’t end with Joule Energy,” the report states. According to the GAI report, Podesta’s far-left think tank, Center for American Progress (CAP), took in $5.25 million from the Sea Change Foundation between 2010-2013.

Who was funding Sea Change Foundation? According to tax records, Sea Change Foundation at the time was receiving a large infusion of funds from a mysterious Bermuda-based entity called ‘Klein, Ltd.’…Who owns Klein? It is impossible to say exactly, given corporate secrecy laws in Bermuda. But the registered agent and lawyers who set up the offshore entity are tied to a handful of Russian business entities including Troika Dialog, Ltd. Leadership includes Ruben Vardanyan, an ethnic Armenian who is a mega oligarch in Putin’s Russia. Vardanyan also served on the board of Joule Energy with John Podesta.

The FBI and U.S. Army sounded the alarm bells about Skolkovo being a threatening pathway for Russia to accelerate its military technological capabilities. Why Hillary Clinton’s State Dept and her campaign manager were tied up in this raises serious questions that demand answers and transparency.

(08-01-2016 02:13 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Mark Cuban endorsed hillary. I guess he's trying to buy his way into the 'elite' club and is jealous of trump. I would consider Mark Cuban to be a 'rich outsider' vs. a 'Bildeberger' and it probably pisses him off to be in that boat.

Cuban is a "Professional Hater". He would have been on that Chapelle Show skit but he hates so much, he rejected the offer. He probably kicks his own dogs in the ass if they walk out in front of him too quickly. He just hasn't tweeted about it in a snarky or passive aggressive tone...yet.

http://twitchy.com/loriz-3139/2016/08/01...hilarious/

(08-01-2016 03:04 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  The part about them studying pol is believable. It's already proven in general (via Snowden leaks) that they study, monitor, and attempt to influence discussion forums such as the ones in question.

I don't doubt that this goes on in general, but /pol/ is pretty low-rent and, also, fairly un-movable in their general perspectives. Though, I don't doubt that they could be easily manipulated on situation specific details and opinions.

I'd just be dubious in regard to the FBI, specifically, filling this role. The FBI investigates crime. Assuming that this type of operation goes on at all, it would almost certainly be a Deep State / security services operation. And if the FBI is not carrying out such monitoring on a formal level, other than to probe for crime, then it's not plausible that an analyst at the FBI would have specific knowledge of such an operation in another agency (and really probably not even in another department in his own agency given the way that I read these things tend to be compartmentalized as a matter of policy).

And he referred to such monitoring in the first person, which means that he was referring to an operation that he supposedly had specific knowledge of. Anything could be possible. But, for me, it's an inconsistency in his narrative.

(08-01-2016 02:53 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  There aren't going to be any billionaires, other than Peter Thiel, who endorse Trump. Though, I'm ready for someone to immediately post evidence that contradicts this claim.

Carl Icahn.