Post: #26

He should learn some Spanish and start hitting on some of the working class. His dick will thank him.

Post: #27

Seconding his attitude, as well as buying expensive dates for girls who haven't proven that they yet have golden pussies. I've gotten lays from girls as young as 18 in the past year by spending $3 on a cup of coffee that wasn't even necessary. In fact, three first date bangs all followed that formula. One came straight to my place (and thus I didn't spend a dime on her) and we then had a mini-relationship, one I only bought myself coffee for, and the other I bought a coffee and she didn't drink it.

Also seconding his voice. I absolutely cannot stand how people just 5 years younger than me (some even my age) talk. I remember more masculine voices being around in my youth. It's like the minority has an actual male voice now. I have been working on slowing my speech and deepening purposely in order to distinguish myself in this way. These guys all have gayvoice and I can't take it any more.

Post: #28

(04-07-2015 05:51 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  AB, that's also the description of a large number of inner city Millennial males.

Exactly. I've discussed before how 'Gay' the Millennial Urban / Hipster set read to an older man like me.

Gay Speech Mannerisms traditionally-arose from a male child's lack of identification with his own gender. Privileged Men are being trained from birth to now loathe their own gender as 'toxic', then remove strong fathers and male mentors from the equation, and the rise in 'Straight-Gay Voice' is the result.

Unfortunately, girls only say they want sensitive, caring men to paint themselves as perpetual victims and excuse themselves from any and all criticism that maybe, just maybe, their all-consuming desire to chase the bad guys who provide them with the hysterical drama they crave is their deliberate choice, and, as such, they're fully-culpable in their own unhappiness, so this guy is shit out of luck.

Post: #29

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Post: #30

I don't completely understand this story. Is he saying that he went on ninety first dates and that none of them led to a second date, sex, or anything? If so, this guy has some serious work to do and leaving D.C. temporarily or permanently may very well not solve his problem.

(04-07-2015 06:16 PM)rpg Wrote:  He should learn some Spanish and start hitting on some of the working class. His dick will thank him.

I learned very early on in this experience that this is the way to go. If anyone has any specific questions, fire away.

Post: #31

This guy would benefit tremendously from joining RVF. Just reading and following the advice from the first date bang topic by Tuth would solve a lot of his problems. Then he could take the savings and use the money to travel following the advice from the travel section. After that, move to a better city or even a different country.

Post: #32

It is DC and it is him.

It's DC's fault due to bad ratios, women under 30 not looking for anything more than a quick fling, shortage of good looking girls and girls having incredibly high standards while not offering anything themselves.

It his fault because he is not masculine and does not know how to date. He has a feminine, male feminist vibe about him. He has probably received terrible dating advice throughout his life and does not know what to do. Also, he shouldn't be spending $40 to 60 on a first date. Assuming he goes on two dates a week, that is a large bill. He should be spending $10 for a first date and definitely no more than $20. The more you spend on a girl, the less likely you are to sleep with her. He's probably taking these girls out on dinner dates, getting a hug or a kiss on the cheek at best, and never hearing from them again. He should make it a goal to not spend anymore than $10 on a first date and bring each girl back to his place.

He would probably have better success if he lived in another city, but not by much because he has no game.

Post: #33

Our DC bloke should ask this woman, as she has all the answers:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-...ndateable/

Quote:I had many friends that I hung out with a lot, but the dating scene in D.C. was pathetic. (It still is, right, ladies?) I remember thinking that there just weren’t that many men I was interested in around Washington. Most of the guys didn’t look like they’d ever worked outside a day in their lives — soft hands, limp handshakes, pale skin, and pudgy middles. The good-looking ones were either already hitched or married to their political ambition with little senses of humor. It was slim pickings for a single woman.

Post: #34

So the guy is not ugly or anything, he's in good shape it seems. Yeah, he has a gay vibe, but that's very common, most city guys behave like this. Girls still bang them, I believe. Girls bang all sorts of shitty men.

But the $95 per date!? What .. the .. fuck? How many dinner dates do you have to go to until you realize that you are possibly buying dinner for some bitch that will do radio silence on you. Unexplainable.

And that second bitch. "It's sooooo easy. Guy, how is it difficult for you?". Yeah, yeah. Let's talk again in a few years when you want to "settle down", but online dating is suddenly so ageist.

Post: #35

(04-07-2015 06:12 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 05:47 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  0:14 - soft-spoken, breathiness, hissing sibilant esses, frequent complex tones (rising to falling, falling to rising)

A woman watching recognises these vocal qualities as feminine, not masculine, and common qualities in gay speech.

The guy is typically Jewish, and I'm guessing he was raised by an overbearing, overprotective mother. I grew up around guys like this. High IQ and they often have their shit together, but that intelligence never translates into how to deal with women correctly. All he knows about girls is whatever vague nonsense his mommy filled his head with.

"Make shoo-ah you fiiind yah-self a nice Jewish gal and stay away from the shiksas!"

I'm atypically Jewish, or at least the stereotype. In my family gender roles were clearly defined. If given the choice, my parents would like me to marry someone Jewish. But across my extended family (cousins/siblings), some married Jewish, some did not, and it was never an issue. I think a lot of parents (Christian, Jewish, Black, White, etc.) prefer to have their kids stay within the tribe, but their children's happiness is most important.

Either way, your point remains. In fact I think too often people fail to look outside their own world, so to speak. Which leads me to...

(04-07-2015 06:16 PM)rpg Wrote:  He should learn some Spanish and start hitting on some of the working class. His dick will thank him.

This.

A female friend of my social circle recently made a comment to me [paraphrase]"you'd rather be with a poor but hot girl than a mildly attractive but successful girl wouldn't you?"

My reply, since she was implying I am shallow "Doesn't the fact that I don't care how much money a woman makes make me, in one aspect at least, less shallow?"

Point is, I think a lot of people fail to look outside their socioeconomic background to their own detriment. I had a LTR with a girl who was from a completely different background than I. But she fit my basic standards: Cute. Petite. Wasn't a cunt. Some people in my social circle, the women in particular, thought I was going through a 'phase'. Truth is, and always will be, I'll take a girl like that over one of their dumpy friends who happen to have parents with money any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Regarding this guy, I agree that his mannerisms are somewhat feminine, he also needs to step out of his comfort zone, especially in DC. My experience is somewhat limited, and based a lot on here-say, but it's absolutely awful there. It's like one large cankle convention.

Post: #36

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Post: #37

(04-08-2015 12:25 AM)CRR Wrote:  A female friend of my social circle recently made a comment to me [paraphrase]"you'd rather be with a poor but hot girl than a mildly attractive but successful girl wouldn't you?"

Don't apologise for your taste and don't qualify your reasons for choosing a partner.

Don't even play that game.

Smirk: "What? You've got something against cute babies? What kind of monster are you?"

Post: #38

The same thing could be said about LA's sucky dating scene. With the awful men/women ratios and the women tending to look for "That Guy". But this guy would kill it with the Lower Class Latinas out here .

And he's not helping himself with that effeminate voice of his. You can tell the guy lacks confidence in himself.

Post: #39

AB

For sure. My reply was said in a very sarcastic manner. They got the point.

Before I came to RVF, I did get very defensive. I know it sounds hyperbolic, but it's amazing how until one really opens their eyes it's hard to see how feminist culture has infected our society.

Women can have a list of standards and it's accepted. Men who have any sort of physical requirement are demonized. It's really bizarre.

As far as this guy is concerned, it's no surprise that so many of these guys are confused. They don't acknowledge their own desire for a woman who meets some basic physical and behavioral standards. After all, that's being a sexist and misogynist.

Men like this need to wake up and realize it's ok to decide for themselves what they will find attractive, not the feminist narrative.

Post: #40

I wasn't sure of his sexual orientation at first, his voice sounds pretty gay to me.

Post: #41

If you're in DC, hanging out at a lowbrow place like the American City Diner on Connecticut Ave. is a better bet for a fun time than a high-pressure "date" at an expensive restaurant.

If it were 1975, I'd say this guy did everything right. But the idea of expensive, formal dates is something that your dad might have done but you should save for long after a relationship gets serious (if then).

No matter what women say, they don't interpret dates like they used to. "Date" = nerd. "Hangout" = guy who has a chance.

Throwing money around on dates is read by women as insecurity when the average guy does it. Yes, the very rich guys do it with their gold-digging whores, but that's a specific scene, and unless you have tons of money, you won't pull this off (and some of the rich guys don't pull it off, either).

Some will say "But I keep hearing that women love expensive dates in nice restaurants!" To these people, I'll reiterate the old saw that you should never listen to what women say but watch what they do. And I'll recommend taking 60 seconds to watch this old film clip as an example of that:

Post: #42

I sometimes wish that I could un-Red Pill myself to see what would make me swallow it again and I believe this serie would do it! All these women that he questioned saying that dating is pathetic... to his face while he nearly blew 10k on dating and fallowed the advice he was given to a T...and it's not working. Wake up my friend!!!

This guy has everything, except the right mentality to put himself above these chubby cupcake eating bitches that ain't shit outside of their job. He needs to get angry and things will change for him!! It's sad to see. Wieh I could send him a Red Pill by mail or somethin, but it has to be swallowed by choice

Post: #43

And the response of that Jay guy... you couldn't scream more loudly that you feel insecure! Well it's up to them to make a change since no one can do it for them!!

Post: #44

(04-08-2015 01:15 AM)CRR Wrote:  AB

For sure. My reply was said in a very sarcastic manner. They got the point.

They're uninterested in having an honest discussion on the subject, which is why I simply don't bother. Realise that they only would have this conversation with a High Value man with Options anyway, so be flattered: it's a bitter woman shaming you because you're uninterested in her and her ugly friends, in an attempt to bring you down to their level. Normal people love cutting down a Tall Poppy.

Quote:A female friend of my social circle recently made a comment to me [paraphrase]"you'd rather be with a poor but hot girl than a mildly attractive but successful girl wouldn't you?"

If you really did want to make a point, don't argue via facts or biology or personal choice, simply argue via Fantasy Entertainment, as women mistake that for reality all the time, and largely view the world through it.

Be Mr. Darcy. Without anger, or defensiveness, put her in her place.

Deliver something like this, in front of her friends, in a cheeky manner:

"Wow. You're the only woman I've ever met who would watch Pretty Woman and think Julia Roberts isn't good enough for Richard Gere."

Note the subtle shaming via "you're the only woman". This will trigger the female fear of misreading social cues and being in the Out Group. She'll get defensive, and start trying to argue. This is when you involve her friends in the shaming.

"What do you all think, girls? Did you ever watch Dirty Dancing and think Patrick Swayze wasn't good enough for Jennifer Grey?"

Let them talk. This is the kind of trivial thought experiment bitches love discussing.

Nowadays, women are more open about banging bad boys but marrying the loser, so if things don't go in your favour, simply laugh and say "Man, you're an odd bunch. What killed the romance in your souls?" and move on to another group.

Post: #45

$40 for a DC date is cheap. I'm pretty sure he's low balling his actual cost. If you get 3 rounds of something above Bud Light at a mid level bar, with tip and tax, you're looking at $60 easy. But now the lounges serve frou frou appetizers and what not.

Many of you recommended he take a girl to a dive bar. But he has no game. That option won't work for him because girls are going on the date with him for the drinks/experience, not the tingles. I'm guessing he's getting numbers from girls without kissing or even touching.

DC sucks, but his game blows. He should be able to bang 5.5's at least.

Post: #46

(04-08-2015 04:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  But he has no game.

He has no observable trace of masculinity, let alone game.

His failing is that of most young women. They're looking for a heterosexual relationship whilst acting in a manner that is only sexually-attractive to homosexuals of their own gender.

I saw a hot blonde 8 sitting at a bus stop this morning, playing with her I-phone, and was thinking of making a move, when I rounded the bench to see her sitting with her legs spread wide open: wider than I'd sit, and I've got big legs.

I can't describe how sexually-repellent this was to me.

It's part of the long decay of women in my lifetime, where seemingly-every feminine trait is being deliberately-hammered out of them by the shaming tactics of Lesbian Feminists, and replaced with faux-masculine presentation, which, co-incidentally, makes them very sexually-attractive to Lesbian Feminists. Of course, female minds are too 'educated' and 'intelligent' to see the blindingly-obvious.

They're becoming so faux-manly in my country that I'm just seeing the average woman as belonging somewhere in the Trannie Spectrum, yet they wonder men don't want to 'man up' and have relationships with them.

Post: #47

This woman is absolutely repugnant.

Post: #48

(04-08-2015 06:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  This woman is absolutely repugnant.

No, she's just a Millennial Basic Bitch.

Note her words:

"I almost worry sometimes that I won't want to be in a relationship, because it's always right there if I wanted it... I just don't want it."

This is exactly what I'm referring to when I keep saying that they all seem to have Dismissive-Avoidant Attachment Styles.

Wikipedia has an approachable-simplification of the concept:

Quote:People with a dismissive style of avoidant attachment tend to agree with these statements: "I am comfortable without close emotional relationships", "It is very important to me to feel independent and self-sufficient", and "I prefer not to depend on others or have others depend on me." People with this attachment style desire a high level of independence. The desire for independence often appears as an attempt to avoid attachment altogether. They view themselves as self-sufficient and invulnerable to feelings associated with being closely attached to others. They often deny needing close relationships. Some may even view close relationships as relatively unimportant. Not surprisingly, they seek less intimacy with relationship partners, whom they often view less positively than they view themselves.

This is all defensive rationalisation.

The avoidant subset used to about 1 in 4, but, from my personal observations, I'd rather it much higher in the population now. What changed?

This style of attachment is exactly what you're predict in a child raised by a narcissistic mother focused on her own concerns rather than those of her child.

Post: #49

(04-08-2015 06:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 04:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  But he has no game.

He has no observable trace of masculinity, let alone game.

His failing is that of most young women. They're looking for a heterosexual relationship whilst acting in a manner that is only sexually-attractive to homosexuals of their own gender.

I saw a hot blonde 8 sitting at a bus stop this morning, playing with her I-phone, and was thinking of making a move, when I rounded the bench to see her sitting with her legs spread wide open: wider than I'd sit, and I've got big legs.

I can't describe how sexually-repellent this was to me.

It's part of the long decay of women in my lifetime, where seemingly-every feminine trait is being deliberately-hammered out of them by the shaming tactics of Lesbian Feminists, and replaced with faux-masculine presentation, which, co-incidentally, makes them very sexually-attractive to Lesbian Feminists. Of course, female minds are too 'educated' and 'intelligent' to see the blindingly-obvious.

They're becoming so faux-manly in my country that I'm just seeing the average woman as belonging somewhere in the Trannie Spectrum, yet they wonder men don't want to 'man up' and have relationships with them.

The way things are going in America, men will become feminine, and the women will become more masculine. I often eat lunch at the same places as many younger guys in the entertainment industry and it's getting harder to tell who's gay and who's straight.

I think he should have gone for FOB Asian women - they tend not to mind feminine guys so much.

Post: #50

(04-08-2015 06:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  This woman is absolutely repugnant.

Jeez- that girl is the epitome of a woman in the party phase:

"When I came to DC I crushed tinder!" she says that with a great beaming slut-smile, as if fucking the hottest guys in town and getting a 100+ notch count as a woman is such a great accomplishment. Young woman comes to town and realizes how much she can get via her pussy - so she tinders away and bangs every hot or successful guy she can find.

"Sometimes I fear that I will never want to have a relationship. I know it's always right there, but I don't feel like it." Yes - we know that - she follows Rational Male's female development phase to the letter:



That very same super-slut will be asking where the good men are at 30 or 33. She will suddenly "mature" after novelty cock Nr. 378, that she is a different person at 29, because she does not get so many good matches on Tinder any more. No more "crushing it". Then that hero from OP's example will come back as her starter husband.

And the sad part is that neither the vid-producer nor she herself sees anything wrong with her behavior. It's so much fun to have the dating options of Leo DiCaprio - jolo!