Post: #1

If I recall correctly from Day Bang, one of the things Roosh recommended was doing a bit of writing in order to present as a conversation piece, because women are all over that shit.

I've been tapping out a few "chapters" of a "book" for this purpose. I have yet to actually field test this yet, but it could be very promising for coffee store approaches and daygame more generally.

I don't intend to finish it, these few chapters will probably be "the start" of something that "I just can't figure out how to finish" or something creative like that.

I'm curious to know if anybody else out there has attempted this and how that has gone over. I'm actually enjoy creative writing, and if I can put it to productive use, even better.

I chose the topic from a writing challenge because I couldn't easily come up with a topic. It's about a dystopia where all human contact is prohibited. Sort of sci-fi and allows me to throw in more racy parts where people seek contact illegally. Call me a romance writer, but 50 shades of gray isn't a movie for no reason.

I envision this giving me a solid bait drop for daygame that generates a lot of interest cause bitches all see themselves as budding creative types. "Yeah, I've been writing a new short story, but I've been stuck on where I want to take it from here. You should take a look and let me know what you think...."

As always, gentlemen, comments and concerns are welcome.

Post: #2

If you're going to spend time tapping out a few "chapters" of a "book" why not tap out a few chapters of a book. I don't see the point of pretending to do something when you could spend the time actually doing it.

Post: #3

Why not just actually write a book?

There's no sense in creating a false persona if you already enjoy creative writing. Think long-term. Think authenticity.

It'll carry you a lot further.

EDIT: FireStarter beat me to it.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #4

Just write a real book.

Post: #5

I can't wait for summer to sit down at the outside terraces of my town bars, carrying a notebook and kindle (or laptop). I too have been thinking about taking this writing thing more serious now that I made a start with my new bookseries.

But first chicks will see me riding in on this bad boy:

Post: #6

Considering that in 2015 "everyone" fancies themselves a writer, and meanwhile society doesn't hold real Writers in very high esteem, it's increasingly difficult for them to monetize their work - e.g. most novelists can't make a living and hardly anyone reads short stories anymore by the way.

So basically your fake passion is a confession that you've willingly consigned yourself to poverty and furthermore are not off to a good start as you don't know where to take a short story, which is not exactly complex plot-wise.

Lastly, a real risk is that she'll sniff you out when she asks you what writers you like and you don't know what you're talking about.

Anyway, what are you truly passionate about and how can you talking about that in an interesting way? Do you have any genuine interests? You don't need ten things. Just come up with one or two. She is more likely to connect with that....

Oh... and that last thing a "stranger" wants to to do is read someone else's writing unsolicited. It's like asking her to do your homework.
Another reason why it's weak, is it's a solitary pursuit, so you're also talking up something that she could not do with you - vs. tennis/sport, wine tasting, etc.

Post: #7

Thanks for the comments guys. Just for a bit more clarification, this won't be the first thing I drop. Rather, it could be bait to drop, something like the stuff mentioned in the 'bait to lure the pussy home thread'. Also, while I'd have no problem writing a book for leisure, and I might in the future, if it's done and mentioned as bait, it's a humblebrag, not an opportunity to build comfort and attraction over discussing an unfinished manuscript.

Post: #8

For God's sakes, would everyone quit being a faker about the things you don't do and at least just talk positively about the things you actually do.

Writing a novel? This is 2015, everyone's writing a novel. Generally about themselves. Like Quin what's-her-face. I wrote a novel. Not about myself, except in that everyone's first novel is about themselves as either Jesus or Dante. It's really good (I picked Dante). It's on Amazon. Nobody gives a damn. And definitely nobody cares if you're writing a novel but haven't completed it, unless they already cared about you to begin with.

Work on getting people to care about you for real rather than trying to come up with ways to trick them into caring about you. If that means actually writing a novel, then go for it. I don't like this noise about deceiving girls into thinking your something when you're not. I know girls are all smoke and mirrors but that doesn't mean that you have to sink to that level.

I edited a lot of profanity out of this post before clicking 'post reply'.

Post: #9

Game = social intelligence.

Good writing = displays social intelligence.

Post: #10

If you are going to create a fake persona at least be creative and say you are a musician.

I got way more pussy when I was a part of the local music scene than I have since I started writing, and I make a lot more money at that. Of course I was actually playing, but even when I would just drop in on an open mic night to hang out I could pull.

As others have said, in the long run actual doing interesting things is a more viable option.

Post: #11

I was actually thinking about writing a "book game" post, but swuglyfe beat me to it.

First, I'll agree with a lot of guys that if you aren't a writer, have little interest in writing, or just imagine that writing a novel would be "kinda cool" or an easy way to get pussy, then you're completely off-base. What you end up with will probably be shit, so don't even bother.

Same with writing part of a fake book--who the hell does that?

That said, if you're seriously interested in writing for a living at some point down the road, or developing a side hustle over the next decade doing something that you really enjoy, "book game" is actually a very real thing. But it's more an extension of basic game than anything else (more on that in a minute).

A little background: I've been writing professionally for the past 4 years. For about a year and a half, I wrote and published fiction exclusively. My first effort was a 158,000 word monster that I'm now breaking into 3 books.

In hindsight, it was horrible.

Just really bad stuff--I would've been laughed off Amazon if I published it. Took me almost a whole month to edit it because subconsciously I was ashamed of it.

Nonetheless, I used it as an "in" to game a solid 8 chick. Gave it to her to read and started on my next book, which is edgy sci-fi with some pretty strong comedy.

She wasn't a fan of the first one, but whatever--by that time, I was in. Gave her the second book--was about halfway through at that point.

She absolutely loved it.

I'll tell you what--there are few things that are as satisfying as a hot chick blowing and fucking you like a crazy woman because she really appreciates your art--almost like she's trying to suck the next chapter out of you.

I eventually finished that book and decided to go indie, but "do things right." Hired a damned good cover designer ($600), learned how to format ebooks and Createspace paperbacks myself, edited it extensively, studied the industry, started my own "publishing company" (which I also use for freelancing), sent out to bloggers for reviews--the works. Eventually it was time to put the book out.

I hit a few buttons and waited.

It took a while, but that book eventually gained some traction. It now has well over 20 (largely 5-star) reviews on Amazon.

I released a few more, but that first book remains a big "hook" that I use to get the kinds of chicks I'm interested in:

1. Well-read (cuts out a good part of the reality tv/attention whore crowd)

2. Feminine / demure (an attractive girl at least somewhat into sci-fi is usually kind of shy (outside of the cosplay freaks))

3. Can carry a conversation.

Not only that, but having a pro-level book out there with a lot of good reviews is a great indicator of social proof.

To take things to the next level, I also write short stories. If I feel like they're digging my shit, and really into reading, I say something like, "You know, I do have this story I'm working on if you want to take a look and let me know what you think..."

Most jump at the chance. Mind you this isn't to seek their approval--it's my own test of sorts. Depending on their reaction, I can tell a lot about their attraction level, whether they actually read a lot or if they're fakers, or if they're ballbusting harpies destined to become :catlady.

I've used my passion and talent for writing to secure many make-outs, a few lays, and a couple of longer-term relationships.

The big problem is that a lot of guys see the above and focus on the "writing" part, instead of "passion and talent."

Sure, book game has worked for me, mostly because I am passionate and talented. For some guys, music will be the better use of their minds and abilities. Others still prefer other forms of art or knowledge or intellectual pursuits.

The bottom line is to have hobbies that you enjoy, and strive to become successful at them, whatever they are. Don't know how to? The internet is a powerful resource--hell, this forum alone provides more useful, hands-on knowledge for men than any book did for centuries. Even if you aren't selling what you create, be able to show it to chicks at your place in some form. This is the best "bait" possible to get girls back to your place, AND the best way to better yourself. I think that's ultimately what this forum is all about.

Vigo

Post: #12

^This. This is the information and guidance I was looking for. Clear and proven examples and advice on how to make my admittedly rough idea work.

I know I dropped the original post without much context on myself, but I just wanted to be clear that this would be one of many different options I could have at my disposal.

Vigo, will look into building a portfolio of short stories. I do genuinely enjoy writing and you've helped me figure out how best to help it add to my game.

Post: #13

Today I was-up grinding out my wordage at a Starbucks for one of the Elance jobs I've managed to pick-up. I looked up and noticed a whole parade of cute young chickees strolling into the coffee shop. Unfortunately I had a deadline to meet.

Post: #14

Has nobody brought up the show Californication?
Hank Moody was a writer, and a professional one at that.

Post: #15

Writing is only a DHV if she knows of you before you started talking to her. Otherwise it's barely more glamorous than being an accountant. I gloss over it quickly when girls ask.

Post: #16

I can definitely relate to gaming a chick via the writer angle. I remember dragging a few filipinas over from Cherry Blossoms to Skype to show my books. I'd casually bring it up, going cold, hot, cold warm. A real teasing bastard. Soon they were begging to see them. What I ended up doing was deleting the title/author from the image since I was afraid of hate reviews if a bang ever came back to bite me.

Anyway they were impressed. I loved the look on one girl's face, a chick named 'Bhabe' from Cebu. A 7.5 and all around cool girl but who unfortunately ended up asking me for money later on so I cut her loose. Guess she thought I was as rich as Koontz?

But the way her jaw dropped when I showed her my horror covers, sweet Jesus! It almost made the lack of sales worth it. I didn't tell her I paid almost half a grand for each one, or that they had abysmal sales. Fancy covers can't help if there is zero marketing (sigh, I learned this the hard way). My non-fiction sells way WAY better than any novel I've written, but the subject of network security doesn't exactly get a Filipina wet.