Post: #176

(05-02-2019 06:44 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Paul and infowars seem to thrive on righteous outrage, so I predict paul will do ok until he is completely de-platformed like Alex.

But then again, many of these libertarian fedoras professed to be anti-regulation of big-tech, and look where it got them.

Post: #177

Post: #178

In the old days you really couldn't get deplatformed because everyone had their own individual websites. With things like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube, the internet has become a walled-garden. When you have accounts on these services you can be kicked out at will. It's in these companies' best interests to appear neutral most of the time, but in the end, they're not legally bound to be. It's a dysfunctional system but we all gravitated towards this like a herd and we carry some responsibility for creating this mess.

Post: #179

I'm done with the Anglo-West. It can rot and fester. I'm not turning my back on home, just being realistic about its future.

As of this summer I'm moving abroad to a country where saying *some* of our ideals is OK. I'm a racist, sexist, misogynist (for good reason). And I'm proud of it.

Post: #180

(05-02-2019 10:14 PM)questor70 Wrote:  In the old days you really couldn't get deplatformed because everyone had their own individual websites. With things like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube, the internet has become a walled-garden. When you have accounts on these services you can be kicked out at will. It's in these companies' best interests to appear neutral most of the time, but in the end, they're not legally bound to be. It's a dysfunctional system but we all gravitated towards this like a herd and we carry some responsibility for creating this mess.

Its very simple, use legal means to regulate them or push forward with anti trust laws.

Post: #181

(05-03-2019 07:32 AM)Teedub Wrote:  I'm done with the Anglo-West. It can rot and fester. I'm not turning my back on home, just being realistic about its future.

As of this summer I'm moving abroad to a country where saying *some* of our ideals is OK. I'm a racist, sexist, misogynist (for good reason). And I'm proud of it.

I know how you feel. Today, for example, everyone is saying what a drubbing the Reds and Blues got in the local elections. But I'm just horrified that they didn't do much, much worse! And UKIP not doing well either. I mean, what does it take?! How hard is it just to vote for a pro-Brexit party!

But it's more than that. Just talking to regular people in everyday life, it's depressing as fuck how clueless and brainwashed they are. I walked through town today having my lunch and for the first time the thought occurred to me 'these oblivious fuckers deserve what's coming in the coming decades'.

Yeah, the Brexit betrayal, people still voting for more of the same, people who aren't even RW being de-platformed, Tommy being villified again for just fighting back. I'm black-pilled as fuck today, but there it is. If you told me back in the 80's that this once-fine country would go out like it is (with a whimper, not a bang) I just wouldn't believe it.

Touching on Tommy there, it used to be the case that people like him put their lives on the line on the understanding that momentum would build and they'd be backed up in the end by the common man. But I get the impression, he's doing everything right and sticking to his side of the bargain, but when he looks around, nobody is there for him! The people are being found wanting.

It used to be the case that people in their old age would say things like 'I don't recognise my country anymore', but I'm in my 40's and I feel like that more and more each day.

EDIT: Teedub, I can only imagine what it must feel like for people like yourself who've actually put real skin in the game in terms of political action. All I do is rant on the internet and in trusted company.

Post: #182

Its getting harder to find alternative media voices all the time. If 2016 was peak year of alternative conservative news and opinions, where I had options to find their voices on a multitude of social media. Now I have to specifically know their Http direct websites. You think the normies are going to go through all that trouble? HA! I'm so despondent and indifferent to the fate of the west. The proles really are fking sheep, and I underestimated the pull of cheap carbs, brainless entertainment and the fear of being thrown into the social fringes for thought crime. Materialism/consumerism is the winning formula, with a soft totalitarian safety net.

Post: #183

(05-03-2019 08:51 AM)uncledick Wrote:  Its getting harder to find alternative media voices all the time. If 2016 was peak year of alternative conservative news and opinions, where I had options to find their voices on a multitude of social media. Now I have to specifically know their Http direct websites. You think the normies are going to go through all that trouble? HA! I'm so despondent and indifferent to the fate of the west. The proles really are fking sheep, and I underestimated the pull of cheap carbs, brainless entertainment and the fear of being thrown into the social fringes for thought crime. Materialism/consumerism is the winning formula, with a soft totalitarian safety net.

I know. Contrary to what people think, banning works! If it didn't they wouldn't do it. You get a situation where normies hear you talking about someone who's been banned off FB, Insta, Twitter etc. and they equate that person with Hitler. Even though we in the know, realise the banned person was internet milquetoast!

I'm a prime example. I was firmly in Blue-pill country regarding everything until signals started getting through on mainstream internet around 5 or 6 years ago. If it wasn't for the internet I'd still be walking around blind.

Every-time I go on social media nowadays, someone has been 'disappeared' as if Thanos has snapped his fingers. Half my bookmarks are now dead-links! I'm slowly being corralled down so that soon my only permissible outlet will be the Daily Mail!

Post: #184

(05-03-2019 08:49 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  Touching on Tommy there, it used to be the case that people like him put their lives on the line on the understanding that momentum would build and they'd be backed up in the end by the common man. But I get the impression, he's doing everything right and sticking to his side of the bargain, but when he looks around, nobody is there for him! The people are being found wanting.

Most people treat politics with all of the integrity of a beauty show contest, and with less integrity than they treat asportsball competition. I know, I've been through it. People's values are transient; even those on the right just want temporary entertainment; they still move with the cultural breeze. It's helping me grow detached from worldy things.

Post: #185

We all appreciate some political entertainment and we probably got here through one form of it or another. But the deeper you go, the more you have to realize that it's all a show. PJW, Alex Jones or even people more in the know like RamZ or Jared Taylor. They will either get banned or never will be able to go all the way anyway.

Dissidents must move away from talking about politics into talking about God, ancient history and survival/community building/farming, etc, because the real disease is modernity in all its aspects: materialism, technology and ideology, the three prongs of this disgusting beast. It infects you with the wretched dialectic, even when you are on the opposing side of the favored view. As weird as it sounds, the future of real resistance is not political and not online but offline raising families, building communities and making real, flesh and blood, alliances.

We must learn once again to live without the internet, as simple and as difficult as it sounds.

Post: #186

News is garbage. I have turned it off. I don't even know why they are going after Alex Jones. He is pure entertainment. But, I guess, they are afraid that he will trigger lone wolves. The YouTube Munchkins are even more silly. Do you think anyone with real information is going to put it on the Internet?

Ask yourself, of all the hours you have invested in reading this shit, has it led you to one good decision? Has it made you more intelligent?




"We are incredibly well informed yet we know incredibly little. Why? Because
two centuries ago, we invented a toxic form of knowledge called ‘news’. News is
to the mind what sugar is to the body: appetising, easy to digest – and highly
destructive in the long run.

Three years ago, I began an experiment. I stopped reading and listening to the
news. I cancelled all newspaper and magazine subscriptions. Television and
radio were disposed of. I deleted the news apps from my iPhone. I didn’t touch a
single free newspaper and deliberately looked the other way when someone on a
plane tried to offer me any such reading material. The first weeks were hard. Very
hard. I was constantly afraid of missing something. But after a while, I had a new
outlook. The result after three years: clearer thoughts, more valuable insights,
better decisions, and much more time. And the best thing? I haven’t missed
anything important. My social network – not Facebook, the one that exists in the
real world consisting of flesh-and-blood friends and acquaintances – works as a
news filter and keeps me in the loop."

-- The Art of Thinking Clearly

Post: #187

(05-03-2019 07:32 AM)Teedub Wrote:  I'm done with the Anglo-West. It can rot and fester.

(05-03-2019 08:49 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  I know how you feel. Today, for example, everyone is saying what a drubbing the Reds and Blues got in the local elections. But I'm just horrified that they didn't do much, much worse! And UKIP not doing well either. I mean, what does it take?!

I take a slightly different look on this. We are in dangerous times and a culmination of left-liberalism has left us to a position in which we have little idea of what the country we live in may look like in a decade or when we die. There is the possibility for complete transformation.

But things are a lot different than a few years ago. A Chatham House (UK counterpart and progenitor of The CFR) polled that around half (I think a majority everywhere or almost everywhere) of every European country want a complete end to Islamic immigration. Zero.

If you went back to January 2015 you'd probably think we've made good progress since then. Many of us didn't know half of what is going on then. Things are also breaking down at a rapid pace. Based on my analysis of historical cycles we are going into hard times; and hard times burn the weak men they don't toughen up.

The same thing as we are going through now has happened before. After the wealth expansion, degeneracy and liberalism of the 18th century the bad, socially unsustainable decisions people made came to ahead and were no longer possible. That happened in 1815 and for the next fifteen years there was a crescendo of insane liberalism that fell flat in around 1830 and was an irrelevance by 1840. It took that amount of time for people to realise how toxic it all was and a new generation who grew up in hard times. From 1837 you had the Victorian period, known for its austerity and conservativism; of the likes not seen since the age of the puritans.

Some of the facets of this battle that happened around 1815-1840s:

- The Parliament zealously tried to suppress the emergence of the a free press, a battle they lost after about 30 years
* Now you have the suppression of the alternative press online
- After a period of religious decline, people returned to the church
* The God Pill
- The welfare state was pared back and from the 1830s many were put into workhouses
* Welfare state has already been cut back, but is still unsustainable
- Wide-scale unemployment due to mechanisation
* Threat of wide-scale unemployment from robotisation
- Decrease in illegitmate births, which went up 500% in the previous 100 years or so
* Births outside of marriage have plateaued
- Wage compression
* Wage compression is the worst in 200 years
- A growth in freedom-oriented philosophies; unfortunately many are now little known, but well known in their time (see)
* A growth in freedom-oriented philosophies; the kind of people we mention on the board
- A movement against landlordism, which used post-feudal land ownership to have its way
* A movement against corporatism, which uses market ownership to have its way

The only thing that could be done to stop this is rapid economic growth. But there are too many trends against that, mainly demographics, a leftist indoctrinating education system and a lack of entrepreneurial spirit. Harry Dent has some good data on this, having identified several trends in the economy that are now all pointing negative.

The only way out of this is economic decline. You can see that in Italy.

You also have to consider the left has been steadily loosing in Europe over the last 15-20 years. One of the main reasons The (fake) Labour Party has done so badly is not because The Conservatives have soared in popularity, but because many people in The North stopped voting altogether. Turnouts up North have fallen by about 20-30% since Mr Princess Tony Blair arrived on the scene. This is a continuing trend. The word on doorsteps up north is Corbyn is toxic. And if they get rid of him Momentum ensure his successor will be John MaoDonnel, who when not promoting Stalin and Mao likes to call for the death of his opponents.

Things are shaky and negative, but the momentum is on our side. We will see an increase in deranged leftism over the coming decade, but it will likely be out of fuel after that. Particularly as we will likely live through the worst left-wing politics under Corbyn during terrible economic times. I think his rise to power in a weak coalition is the best possible outcome.

This would all be fine, if it were not for one thing. That the left have invited into the country a large and hostile group who completely change the scenario. The left will destroy themselves, but if this doesn't change we will end up with a more dangerous opposing force that is extremely reliant despite it's backwards ideas. If so in 200 years time this cycle will be a Reconquista.

I'm also noting that many leftists are demoralised and future strategy should work on memeing into their minds how ridiculous they are. Just as they have picked up Soviet propaganda to shed doubt in the integrity of our own culture. These people have lots of psychological mechanisms to protect themselves from how pathetic they are. Memes have the power to circumvent that.

Some of them have also been latently red-pilled. Many are now aware of the vast problems of Islamic thinking and attitudes. They don't dare say anything about it in their own circles. There is one guy I know. In 2013 when I told him of the existence of the vast ethnically targeting rape gangs in this country he shut me down with outrage of the racist hate-crime and fake news. Now he knows that the Muslim population grows by about 0.3% per year - all across Northern Europe and that if that continues Muslims will account for 20%+ of the population in his life time. He now also know lots of things they believe in large numbers; and that they are by and large incompatible with his views. His current position is "I'm scared. I don't want to think about it." That's better than "I won't even hear it, bigot!"

I've also changed my tact with these people over the last year or so. Previously I would have spoken on these topics in a bit of an agitated way - that all this is going on and yet people like them ignore it. Now I have got to the point where the gravity of our situation has sunk in and I have resigned myself to the fact that terrible things may happen and I can't do anything about it. I've also dropped my fevour to try and convert these ostriches to see obvious reality. I have little investment in it. I also no longer care if they want to call me bad names or that the information is junk. No matter how stupid they behave I remain calm. I'll talk in the hushed tones of Douglas Murray, but have no reservations between going all the way.

I would advise talking to people like this and leaving little red pills in their mind, which will be digested as the veil is lifted. Find a way of talking about these things politely, calmly and with little investment. Then don't self-censor.

Post: #188

(05-02-2019 10:14 PM)questor70 Wrote:  In the old days you really couldn't get deplatformed because everyone had their own individual websites. With things like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube, the internet has become a walled-garden. When you have accounts on these services you can be kicked out at will. It's in these companies' best interests to appear neutral most of the time, but in the end, they're not legally bound to be. It's a dysfunctional system but we all gravitated towards this like a herd and we carry some responsibility for creating this mess.

The problem is traditional websites are all but obsolete. The entire internet to most now is Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Youtube and Reddit. If you don't exist on those platforms, you don't exist period.

Post: #189

(05-03-2019 01:30 PM)RichardCranium Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 10:14 PM)questor70 Wrote:  In the old days you really couldn't get deplatformed because everyone had their own individual websites. With things like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube, the internet has become a walled-garden. When you have accounts on these services you can be kicked out at will. It's in these companies' best interests to appear neutral most of the time, but in the end, they're not legally bound to be. It's a dysfunctional system but we all gravitated towards this like a herd and we carry some responsibility for creating this mess.

The problem is traditional websites are all but obsolete. The entire internet to most now is Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Youtube and Reddit. If you don't exist on those platforms, you don't exist period.

This is a huge problem. The pattern of media consolidation that has happened in the US in the past 50 or so years in mass media, is almost precisely mirrored in tech. (In the case of mass media, it went from something like 30 companies that were responsible for 90 percent of the output, to 6 companies responsible for the output at the present). Similar patterns to be observed in music, movies, TV, and others.

I see part of this as a failing of the libertarian right. But there is plenty of blame to go around too. Many conservatives became lazy in the 90's and 2000's and decided that unfettered free markets were the ideal to be desired the most. In that time, huge monopolies/ oligopolies, because more and more commonplace.

Most mind-bending, is that at some point, democrats, the people most against big corporations and their ilk, got into bed with the corporations too. Thus, all opposition (credible, at least) was neutralized.

To get back on topic, of course at some point more regulation will happen. But as many already know, when you let the power players push the regulations that they will have to follow, they have an innate advantage because smaller corporations can't handle the regulatory costs.

We have at present 3 players on the internet: google, facebook, and amazon (to a lesser extent, Apple). Isn't that problematic? For foreign countries it is... that is why in Russia they are going about setting up an alternate internet infrastructure.

To use some free market parlance, people picked this model. They wanted it. They signed up for these services. They paid for Amazon prime and enjoyed facebook (unaware that they were the product of this data dragnet). Part of me says let them reap what they sow, and get banned when they make a post supportive of Trump building the wall, which inevitably gets flagged as "hate speech".

Do I have an easy answer to resolving the problem? No. But, I think more can be done. More scrutiny of mergers, bringing anti-trust cases to trial, etc. Not supporting internet regulations endorsed by the culprits that I mentioned.

Silicon Valley is deeply diseased. Part of solving this problem is making the tech people get out of the wonderland they've created in California in the valley.

Post: #190

Netflix has been coopted, imagine them doing that kind of campaign for Tommy? I'm so utterly disheartened, the average normie will never be educated.

[Do not make calls for violence. -Mod]

Post: #191

Whoa man ^^, calm down.

Post: #192

@ teedub. GL with your endeavours mate. Dont let it take you out completely. If push comes to shove make sure you have a good right for them.

@gework.

Those cycles worked in the past but today is different. The economy is not sticking to our borders anymore. We have invited in millions of savages across Europe and their next generations are just as bad as them, if not worse. We are not a homogeneous society anymore.

When the lib Dems are seen as a protest vote against the Tories and Labour and UKIp gets nothing but a sap like Farage can get support then we are in need of tough times to weed out the weak.

People just do not learn until money is taken from them and violence is visited upon their person.

Post: #193

7 day ban for Teedub. Do not make any calls for violence.

Post: #194

POTUS has been paying attention.

Edit. "Action" please, not "monitoring". We'd like to see Silicon Valley Tech Giants squirm by shitting their pants.

Edit II.

Post: #195

For God's sake, didn't he appoint Ajit Pai to be head of the Federal Communications Commission? Can't he give him a call and order him to give Facebook a giant pimp slap for controlling and censoring the content of its private platform, yet intentionally leaving online terrorist propaganda, ISIS beheading videos and leftist calls to violence?

Have one of his appointees hand out a $1 trillion fine over decency or antitrust violations. Yes, the judge in Hawaii will complain, but it will be a start and will bring the matter to national attention it deserves. Just tweeting about it (as Twitter simultaneously openly plans to censor the President as well) does nothing.

Post: #196

(05-03-2019 06:33 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  POTUS has been paying attention.

Edit. "Action" please, not "monitoring". We'd like to see Silicon Valley Tech Giants squirm by shitting their pants.

Edit II.

The censorship actually works in favor of Trump's campaign in some way. It gives his base "proof" of MSM being against him and reinforces the notion that Trump supporters are being oppressed. In some way, Trump stands to benefit by playing the victim, identity-politics card. And he doesn't have to put forward any solutions. It is in his best interests to stoke the conflict until the election is over. It diverts attention anyway from his failure to build the wall, foreign wars, as well. Keep in mind, everyone loves to play identity politics these days, despite their supposed opposition to it... Even white people. Unless there is some paradigm shift that happens in politics, or black swan event, this is the new normal. Expect levels of distrust and overt hostility of being of opposite political inclinations to continue, and possibly worsen.

The fatal flaw was big tech's strategies in 2016 against Trump. Blinded by their elitism they thought Trump had no way to win. Despite that, the evidence is pretty clear that they manipulated their platforms (maybe an argument can be made that they're allowed to do that because they're companies), but despite this they didn't do enough to halt Trump's momentum. By ratcheting up the censorship after the fact, they let Trump get his message out for free. Once followers were latched onto it, it is no longer relevant if he's shut out of these platforms anyway. He's already set the stage for a Media takedown, round 2. Any more censorship or no-platforming at this point gives him vital ammunition for 2020. The funny thing is that they were slow to go after him (I'm thinking of twitter especially), because he brought so much free publicity, ad dollars, attention to the platforms, despite the fact that they could have gone after him. There profit motives will prove to be their undoing...

Post: #197

He sorta has a point

Post: #198

(05-03-2019 07:29 PM)ed pluribus unum Wrote:  He sorta has a point

I see this as right-wing chest-beating, given the fact that he fired Faith Goldy for being "too" alt-right.

Many on the right are quick to forget all the times they themselves failed to stand up for free speech/ free-thought.

If you are not 100 percent for free speech (on the right, and across the spectrum), you are hypocrite for calling out the left-wingers when they censor. Many in the alt-light especially were weak on free speech in the past few years. And now the chickens come home to roost.

Post: #199

(05-03-2019 05:17 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Those cycles worked in the past but today is different. The economy is not sticking to our borders anymore. We have invited in millions of savages across Europe and their next generations are just as bad as them, if not worse. We are not a homogeneous society anymore.

When the lib Dems are seen as a protest vote against the Tories and Labour and UKIp gets nothing but a sap like Farage can get support then we are in need of tough times to weed out the weak.

People just do not learn until money is taken from them and violence is visited upon their person.

The loss of a homogeneous country both in terms of the hostile incomers and the growth of a self-depreciating left who have very little in common with those they despise is a big wildcard. When we crashed in the past we were able to fallback on solid common group, hard work etc. That will certainly be diminished. I covered this in my post.

But on the economy that the economy is global should not be relevant. The negatives for the economy can't be addressed. The politicians keep saying "Vote for me and you will be richer." but there are forces at work they can't control; such as: youth unemployment, unsustainable welfare state, inability to cutback inefficient and unnecessary government, opening up the welfare state to anyone who turns up, demographic shift leading to a smaller workforce and larger number of dependent adults...

We've reached a point, as with the beginning of the 19th century whereby we have reached the material limits of our population size. Consider that if you go back to 1850 one man could support his wife and ten children with a labourer's wage. Now a labourer's wage can support a wife and two children with government subsidies. If he wanted to have ten children he could do so by living in the same conditions as the 19th century labourer - in a small, crowded stone house with a pump and a freeholding. One of the main reasons we have become wealthier is because we have fewer children. We're now at the physical point where large number of people can't even get a foothold in society. And a lot of that is because low-expectation immigrants are more economically attractive than sixteen year old boys who are green behind the ears. Or others who just come for welfare. If they insist on packing the country with more immigrants things will get tighter until they fall apart. And yes, the more that continues, the worse it will be on the other side.

There is nothing a more global economy will do to boost the economy. In fact it will probably get worse as the country becomes less competitive. This economy is in serious trouble and that happening as soon as possible is our only way out. Most of Western Europe is even worse. If they get their second referendum I hope it happens when the bottom is falling out of the Euro.

The other wildcard is big tech. The aristocrats put a big tax on working-class and radical newspapers in the early 19th C. Being banned by major corporations is a different equation, but ultimately much easier to circumvent.

(05-03-2019 07:02 PM)AOCs Missing Boyfriend Wrote:  The censorship actually works in favor of Trump's campaign in some way.

It's an interesting take and it will be interesting to see what distribution streams open up for 2020. At the moment a lot of people are moving onto Telegram, which has show itself to be very robust against state censorship - preferring to loose a market via government bans than curtail free speech. The founder was taken for a ride by Putin so has no love of the soft-authoriatarinism that is rising in The West. He also has several lifetimes worth of F-you money.

In 2016 Infowars and The Gateway Pundit were huge. Twitter was swamped with trolls. They've mobilised heavily to cut that off for 2020. Maybe independents will realise they are living in living in a hybrid regime when the opposition to MSM is Ben Shapiro saying he may vote for Trump.

Post: #200

Quote: t's an interesting take and it will be interesting to see what distribution streams open up for 2020. At the moment a lot of people are moving onto Telegram, which has show itself to be very robust against state censorship - preferring to loose a market via government bans than curtail free speech. The founder was taken for a ride by Putin so has no love of the soft-authoriatarinism that is rising in The West. He also has several lifetimes worth of F-you money.

In 2016 Infowars and The Gateway Pundit were huge. Twitter was swamped with trolls. They've mobilised heavily to cut that off for 2020. Maybe independents will realise they are living in living in a hybrid regime when the opposition to MSM is Ben Shapiro saying he may vote for Trump.

Telegram has it's own flaws and it makes me uneasy that the platform is fundamentally Russian. In addition there are security flaws with it. I take a pessimistic view, every service has some connection to the state... or some secret backdoor built in. A quick search to me reveals they're based out of London, and I can see he in exile, so I'll give him credit for that... But, being London based makes me think they're probably working with GCHQ. That's just a hunch I have. The fact that Google and Apple control the app ecosystem, or more accurately, retain final control of what is and is not approved also makes me uneasy.

Infowars and Gateway Pundit are getting screwed by Google. I know that much. Google has gone completely libtard at this point. And they can't allow any more surprises to happen.