Post: #26

Post: #27

(05-19-2011 08:18 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I have noticed, that I occasionally do both.

If it is a crowded environment, I will grab hand and lead.

If I am entering a room.... I let her enter first because it seems more smooth to be laid back.

Funny, I do the exact same thing.

Generally I do more leading if I haven't banged her yet. Once I got the bang and she's my ho, I take it easier.

haha i like both posts

Post: #28

I think you should lead the girl first because I feel that as a man you should always take initaitive and lead her both emotionally and physically. If you are referring to who should enter your bedroom, either her or you then niether. You lift her up and you guys both enter together.

Post: #29

I almost always open the door and follow through with my hand at the small of her back to guide, just above or touching ass. I didn't think it was a big deal. Sometimes a door situation just doesn't allow for me to do it without looking like a chode, so I just walk on through.

On more than one occasion, women have stopped or have attempted to stop right after passing through the threshold of the door and I gave them a nudge or outright pushed them to keep going.

When it's a crowded side-walk situation I lead. Women don't seem to be able to navigate around (or through) obstacles as easily as I can.

Post: #30

I always hold doors for people (doesn't matter what sex). It's just common courtesy. I've even had solid 8's that I didn't know hold the door open for me. I believe in karma and good begets good.

As for social situations when I'm out with a girl, she's always in front and slightly to the side with my hand on the small of her back. My reasoning comes from a self defense perspective. I have her back, I don't want her having mine. The only time I walk in front of a girl is if we are walking through the forest. I may have to hold a branch or picker bush for her, and I don't trust her to not let it go, hitting me in the eye in the process.

Post: #31

I've always grabbed and led upon entering a bar, I'll have to switch it up and see what its like the other way.

But showing up to a party you let them go in just ahead of you. Kind off like showing off a but off I'm going to be honest, like yeah look at what I brought its no big deal

Post: #32

I usually grab the door, hold it open and guide her through with the hand on the small of the back. I'll grab her hand and lead her through a crowd. If someone else is holding the door open, I'll let her through first.

I don't do this for women that I'm not with. I'll walk through first, and reach behind me and hold the door open long enough for her to reach out and catch it. If she doesn't, it'll just hit her. I've found women won't say thank you - they don't appreciate courtesy, so I show them the minimum. If you stand there and hold it, woman after woman will walk through, none attempting to catch the door, and most won't even make eye contact. You end up being like a doorman at a hotel.

I've always gotten amusement out of those cultures where the man walks ahead, and the woman walks a few steps behind. I'm thinking, "that bitch knows her place."

Post: #33

As said, if its in a club or crowded nightlife place or party or something-I'll walk ahead and be holding her hand. You lead her to where you want, plus if its in a crowded place and her hand is in yours-you can pull your hand behind your back (so your arm is almost in a v shape behind you, with your elbow pointed down at your waist and your hand near your shoulder blades) -which then her hand is high up and people can easily see you leading her which might lead to social proof/people will see you guiding her-yadda yadda. (Not obviously dont hold it open for a damn caravan to walk through. Just for a slight bit. Its one of my BIGGEST pet peeves when you hold the door open for someone and they don't say thank you. It seriously makes me want to go back in time, and close the door/let it swing just as they are walking in so it hits them because they are an ungrateful jackass. haha)

If its not crowded, yes I will open the door for and push her through with again as stated-your hand on her lower back (hitch talked about this, haha-lower back not upper back!). Its a BA thing to do. I also dont think its beta at ALL (as some people might think) to open a door for a girl or someone else. Its a nice/chivalrous thing to do (read chivalrous/courteous, not beta)-plus, if you're hanging out with international girls they most likely are NOT used to it at all and possibly really like it. Just sayin. Either way I dont think either of the two really matter, just be an awesome BA guy in general and you'll have no worries.