Post: #26

I'd just like to add the importance of a PO Box, especially if you are big on paper statements. Also, if you have an android (may exist for apple too), check out the app My Calculator. It installs a working calculator on your phone where if you type the right code, gains you access to secret contacts and text logs.

Post: #27

There's a great app called Burner in the play store on Android; probably something similar for iPhone too. It creates disposable phone numbers that you can keep for two weeks, or longer if you want to pay for them as you go. You can even text with a burner number too. Once the number evaporates, so does all the evidence.

It's completely plausible to use this, since you probably want disposable numbers if you ever plan on selling old stuff on Craigslist, for example. She will totally understand the need for not wanting to use your real number for security purposes in situations like those.

Installing an emulator and having duplicate apps for a false second front on your phone seems like overkill to me, but to each his own. I guess it all depends how nosy your girlfriend is. Great writeup!

Post: #28

In all seriousness, the amount of time it will take to manage these hoes you need to open up an S-corporation and establish something real and tangible that can show your time and effort.

You can do all of this shit and still get caught if the bitch is determined enough. And the worst part is when you get caught there will be evidence you deliberately planned all of this and make the fallout 100x worse.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Let's start an actual constructive forum on how to convert a GF into an open relationship, open to 3 somes (with another chick only) or just dump the bitch.

Post: #29

The OP is on the money for the most part except there are things you should never do if you're interested in never been caught.
Some guys love the thrill of getting away with it as opposed to actually looking for an attractive woman to sleep with.

Personally i get a second pay as you go sim card. I have a few old iPhones laying around my house that i use as iPods during workouts etc. My gf's usually snoop through them and realize there is nothing in there except for really old pictures and music. Bare minimum for apps. She never checks an phone without a sim card more than once.
Why would she? It's not a functional phone so there would be nothing for me to hide in there. My primary phone remains clean as possible. Side girls never even see it. It has my friends and family in it so if my gf looks inside she will see conversations from my brother/sister and other people i know.

I don't fuck with any online dating. No Facebook, IG, POF, OkCupid etc.
Too much of a digital trail to fuck you over in the long run.
I meet most of the girls with day game. I don't have a particular area where i go, but mostly just on my way to and from school/work. I do my best to avoid meeting girls in places i visit repeatedly ie girls in class, girls at the dojo, girls at work (unless i'm switching jobs soon).

I used to use a certain app to meet the majority of my girls. It's pretty under the radar and you can't browse it like a POf or OkCupid. Also even if you see someone who knows your gf they can't search you up again. I only ever used it for a few days at a time then delete my account. I get the numbers and setup meetings with the girls using my burner sim card. Once I've exhausted the numbers for the girls i usually toss the sim and be done with it until i have the itch to do it again.

I usually pick the girls up and i drop them home after. My area is hella confusing unless you live here. So the likelyhood of them being able to find their way back is quite low.
Also I keep my place extremely clean and i make it a habit to clean my place before my gf come over. Its a routine more or less.
I mainly go for red heads and my gf is a red head. If she finds a red hair in my place she just assumes it hers and puts it in the trash bin.

Overall its cleaner and suits my lifestyle currently.
I figured out that for myself i'd like one solid girl in my life to do stuff with and build something with and periodically add in another girl for fun in the short-term.

Post: #30

Dodge, evade, parry, weave... be like river water flowing around jagged rocks.

Good stuff. Though I am too lazy to do any of it, I don't think I could settle with a girl that at least wasn't interested in bringing another girl into the bedroom twice a year or so to keep things.

Post: #31

Honestly man, I'm not gonna hate on you like that other dude but I highly recommend just breaking up and looking for an open relationship. Why do I say this? Because I used to do the same thing you did (and better I might add) but in the end, I ended up getting fucked up.

Before I tell you my sob story, here are some simple ass solutions you can do right now.

#1 Get a Google voice number. That way you don't have to worry about text messages / phone calls being seen by your primary.

#2 Use an alias or your middle name as your first name. You can even set up an alternate email so that you can live this double life you're aiming for. I used to have three Facebook accounts.

#3 hunt in far away locations. Don't shit in your own backyard.

Now, why do I recommend giving up this lifestyle? Because you might just find the right one and if she finds out you set the foundation wrong in the beginning, you're fucked. The reason you're fucking around on the side is you're not happy with your current gal. There's nothing wrong with being unhappy, just break up with her. If you're scared to lose her, I'd ask you to take a good look in the mirror to ask why you're afraid of being alone. There is so much pussy in the world that can be yours, just be honest with yourself about what you want.

I was with my ex for 5 years, cheated on her for about half that time, until I met my most recent ex who I fell deeply in love with (yeah it's possible guys) but she broke up with me with one of the main reasons being our foundation was fucked from the beginning.

Set yourself free and your current gal free. It's easier said than done but in the long run, you'll have more peace of mind. Because if you're not honest with her, you're probably not honest with a lot of people, including yourself.

Peace bro and good luck

Post: #32

Im not sure I agree with your argument.

I'm very happy with my current gf. I also really like steak.

But if a man eats steak every day, eventually he finds himself wanting a pizza on certain nights. The pizza never replaces the steak. It could never be the steak, even on its best day.

But a steak every night with a pizza here or there for a temporary change of pace and refresher sounds like a damn good life.

Post: #33

I agree with AfgScarface. Like I said on a previous thread on this topic, love and lust are completely different things. Its very possible to be in love with one girl, to really enjoy her companionship and her as a person. But to still, every so often, want to go out and fuck a new girl. This doesn't mean you love your partner any less, it just means you had a physical urge to satisfy.

The whole idea of the faithful man seems very beta / feminist to me. Its only ever men who don't get the opportunity to cheat, or women, who seem to judge cheating. Look at any successful actor, musician, athlete, politician, CEO etc - they almost all cheat. Throughout human history alpha males have always had mistresses, affairs etc. Just because you occasionally fuck some 18 year old hottie doesn't mean you are incapable of loving the mother of your children.

Post: #34

I loved my 5 year ex and similar to you guys, got bored after awhile. Then when I met my recent ex, also loved her and also had lust for her (we fucked several times in my car and I hadn't done that in maybe 20 years since I was a teenager)

Everybody is different so I'm not gonna try and change your guys minds. I also messed with girls behind my 5 yr gf back and I still wanted to stay with her. But it was only after I met my recent ex that I got sprung. I should point out that while I did love my 5 yr Ex, we were very different people but with my current ex, we had a lot in common so that is a pretty important detail.

As for being beta/faithful, I did say in my last post to possibly try to look for an OPEN relationship meaning you are honestly, OPENLY FUCKING MULTIPLE GIRLS.

Post: #35

Rawmeo Wrote:but in Thailand, I don't recommend it.

Since getting laid requires little effort in thailand, why would you even need to cheat? Suggest a 3some or stop seeing her.

Also dont get in a relationship if you want to sleep with other women. You can avoid all these problems with common sense.

Post: #36

I'm not for the whole cheating thing. Be upfront about it and handle a L' if she's not with it.

Post: #37

Cheating seems unethical at first but if you're in a serious situation where you have to stay in the relationship (i.e. marriage / kids) sometimes you have no other option if you want to be happy and not break up your family. I used to think lieing is terrible but when you are responsible for other people real life knocks at your door and lieing/cheating is just something you may have to do. Having some fun on the side can be what keeps you going through the struggle of family life. Having other female attention can also help prevent you from becoming lazy, unmotivated, and ultimately beta in your LTR.

For just dating / girlfriend I agree with many of the others that all this is just too much work and probably not worth it. In that case better to just be alpha and not care if the girls know you fuck around or not.

A few tips I would suggest:

1) If you do online stuff, use a different browser. For example if your main goto is firefox, use internet explorer or chrome. That way you can fully delete history and cache and be absolutely sure there is no evidence laying around that you forgot to cleanup. Having an empty history for your main browser all the time will look suspicious. Make sure you cleanup cache and all temp files, not just browsing history.

2) Use burner app / google voice numbers, especially for one night stands. Avoid bringing them back to your place even if you can swing the logistics without getting caught. The last thing you want is some crazy girl falling in love with you and calling you all the time and causing trouble.

3) OP suggests editing your photos in photoshop to fool google image search, but instead just use different images. You might be able to be clever today with photoshop but tomorrow google could change their algorithm and your image is searchable again. Take new pictures which you don't have on facebook or anywhere else.

4) Social networks are a liability for this lifestyle. At a minimum lock them down so girls you are seeing cannot find you. Consider just outright deleting your facebook account and keeping a low online profile.

5) If you get caught, deny, deny, deny! She will likely rationalize the situation and convince herself its not happening. Even if she has her suspicions as long as you are treating her well she might just choose not to think about it. If you care about your main girl, realize you have an obligation to keep your side games hidden from her to protect her feelings.