Post: #51

(02-06-2015 11:34 AM)Pride male Wrote:  So is the consensus around here that our daughters should stay away from dark triad alphas and settle down with boring but responsible betas? I would prefer that.

I disagree. There probably is very good reason for nature and evolution(or creationism, if your into that sorta thing) to have females prefer alphas- they likely have better genetics or some other factors that make them produce better children. If responsible betas were better fathers(and better for her/her children), wouldnt you think evolution wouldve favored that?

The solution would be to find an alpha who doesnt take advantage of her too much.

Post: #52

(02-06-2015 12:51 PM)eclipse Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 11:34 AM)Pride male Wrote:  So is the consensus around here that our daughters should stay away from dark triad alphas and settle down with boring but responsible betas? I would prefer that.

I disagree. There probably is very good reason for nature and evolution(or creationism, if your into that sorta thing) to have females prefer alphas- they likely have better genetics or some other factors that make them produce better children. If responsible betas were better fathers(and better for her/her children), wouldnt you think evolution wouldve favored that?

The solution would be to find an alpha who doesnt take advantage of her too much.

Your solution would be viewed as extreme today, by that I mean 18th century arranged marriages

Post: #53

^ I dont mean me finding one, I mean her doing it. Nothing to do with arranged marriages(unless you are comparing how extreme both are?)

I trust my genetics passed down to her would allow her to screen well, with the right guidance.

Post: #54

Girls with strict parents tend to go HAM in college.

When people try to create laws out of human behavior, they fail. You can't just say well if these are the conditions, then this will automatically be the result or expectation.

Human beings are unpredictable.

Post: #55

Well, if you have a really ugly daughter you may have less to worry about. On the other hand if she is really beautiful she might be less slutty too.

Post: #56

(02-06-2015 01:39 PM)jariel Wrote:  Girls with strict parents tend to go HAM in college.

When people try to create laws out of human behavior, they fail. You can't just say well if these are the conditions, then this will automatically be the result or expectation.

Human beings are unpredictable.

They don't go ham if her strict parents force her to attend a local college and live at home.

Post: #57

(02-06-2015 02:17 PM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  They don't go ham if her strict parents force her to attend a local college and live at home.

How many parents are forcing their kids to do anything?

If the daughter wants to go to school in NYC and is accepted to a school in NYC, she more often than not ends up in NYC because that's where she wants to be, and it just so happens that that school in NYC is as far as fuck as it can be from her parents.

Everyone's not going to the college in their hometown even under duress, it's usually based on what they want to do. I went to a school where most of the students were not from the city and it was actually a big city, the locals couldn't get into the school.

WIA spit so much fire in here we're still counting the bodies.

Post: #58

Thats IF she even wants to attend college. By that ages she is aware that she doesn't have to do anything, legally. For an attractive, successful player to tell her that she should follow her feelings/heart (emotions) and come with him isn't as hard to sell a girl as many may think.

(02-06-2015 02:17 PM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  They don't go ham if her strict parents force her to attend a local college and live at home.

Post: #59

Damn. Honestly from reading this thread and from previous experience I'm terrified to raise a girl. All the shit I've been through with women and on top of that trying to tame their natural instincts. Then you have boys which I have somewhat of an idea how to redpill them but you still have outside influences.

This is basically like rolling the dice.

Post: #60

Rollo's latest is relevant: http://therationalmale.com/2015/02/06/two-camps/

Don't have time for a longer post, but the short of it is that I see where WIA is coming from now. I'll call out this one quote

Quote:I’ve mentioned this before in the Myth of the Good Guy. It’s amazing to me that men still seem to think they can embody the nobler aspects of both the Alpha Jerk and the comforting Beta to become a mythical Good Guy that women will naturally recognize, appreciate and prefer in comparison to the Jerkish Alpha Bad Boy or the Sympish Beta Nice Guy. The sell is one of combining the best of both archetypes and thereby satisfying women’s need for an optimized Hypergamy.

In other words, if Rollo's right, the idea of a father raising a "good" girl, or a girl who can see through the cad and find the Good guy, well, that's a pipe dream. That says something about the nature of men as well as the nature of women.

Post: #61

(02-06-2015 12:51 PM)eclipse Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 11:34 AM)Pride male Wrote:  So is the consensus around here that our daughters should stay away from dark triad alphas and settle down with boring but responsible betas? I would prefer that.

I disagree. There probably is very good reason for nature and evolution(or creationism, if your into that sorta thing) to have females prefer alphas- they likely have better genetics or some other factors that make them produce better children. If responsible betas were better fathers(and better for her/her children), wouldnt you think evolution wouldve favored that?

The solution would be to find an alpha who doesnt take advantage of her too much.

Evolution set us up for both type of men to exist and for women to choose the right one at the right moment, leading to having the children of the strong selfish alpha, being raised by the other, more caring beta. Its proven that women like different types of men during different stages of the month, depending on how likely she is to get pregnant.

Post: #62

An old joke from Russia:
What time does a good girl go to bed?
At 8, so she would be home by 11.

Post: #63

(02-06-2015 12:51 PM)eclipse Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 11:34 AM)Pride male Wrote:  So is the consensus around here that our daughters should stay away from dark triad alphas and settle down with boring but responsible betas? I would prefer that.

I disagree. There probably is very good reason for nature and evolution(or creationism, if your into that sorta thing) to have females prefer alphas- they likely have better genetics or some other factors that make them produce better children. If responsible betas were better fathers(and better for her/her children), wouldnt you think evolution wouldve favored that?

The solution would be to find an alpha who doesnt take advantage of her too much.

Much of the behavior we consider alpha is primarily tailored to a context of state of nature and can be at times ill suited for survival in the modern civilized world. It is beta romanticism that built the Taj Mahal. It is beta transactional romance that inspires men to invest and invent for the promise of wealth that can be used to woo pretty women. The Beta built the modern world. That is why the cultural marxists wish to see the beta become incel.

Post: #64

Read a book recently called Willpower. It covers a variety of topics but parenting is one that comes up.

General thesis on parenting is simple.

You opt for discipline over punishment. Your reinforcement must be consistent. You treat your kids as humans that have a mind of their own. And you never, ever lose your cool. Like swearing, its to really drive home a point. The consistency is the main factor in creating a respectable human. Pavlovian or programming, just like anything else.

I don't have any kids on the horizion but when it comes to this particular topic, its delicate. You try to scare a girl away from sex and shell want what she can't have. You do nothing and shell have no guiding principle. My simplistic thought overall is to have her mother teach her the basics and I will come in very simply and say "Sex is natural, everyone does it. Just fuck a guy who respects you otherwise you'll grow to hate guys". This shit has to be reinforced by the dynamic your kids see between mommy and daddy. If they see their overlords respecting (no screaming, hitting, death threats) each other in their relationship dynamic then it carries over to the kid.

Parenting is show, don't tell. My dad tried to tell his kids things and we ignored him.

My two cents anyways.

As I posted in another dad thread, I'm running an anonymous survey.

RVF dads are people I'd be very interested in hearing from.

http://surveynuts.com/surveys/take?id=11...343993FDRP

Post: #65

(11-11-2016 07:17 PM)greekgod Wrote:  Read a book recently called Willpower. It covers a variety of topics but parenting is one that comes up.

General thesis on parenting is simple.

You opt for discipline over punishment. Your reinforcement must be consistent. You treat your kids as humans that have a mind of their own. And you never, ever lose your cool. Like swearing, its to really drive home a point. The consistency is the main factor in creating a respectable human. Pavlovian or programming, just like anything else.

I don't have any kids on the horizion but when it comes to this particular topic, its delicate. You try to scare a girl away from sex and shell want what she can't have. You do nothing and shell have no guiding principle. My simplistic thought overall is to have her mother teach her the basics and I will come in very simply and say "Sex is natural, everyone does it. Just fuck a guy who respects you otherwise you'll grow to hate guys". This shit has to be reinforced by the dynamic your kids see between mommy and daddy. If they see their overlords respecting (no screaming, hitting, death threats) each other in their relationship dynamic then it carries over to the kid.

Parenting is show, don't tell. My dad tried to tell his kids things and we ignored him.

My two cents anyways.

As I posted in another dad thread, I'm running an anonymous survey.

RVF dads are people I'd be very interested in hearing from.

http://surveynuts.com/surveys/take?id=11...343993FDRP

And as in the other thread, the survey is for business purposes. Looking to understand some intrinsic motivations.

Appreciate anyone who takes the time to fill it out.

Post: #66

Some of the best bangs of my younger years came from girls with drill sergeant like dad's. At first opportunity to rebel against daddy they dropped their panties it was so predictable.

Post: #67

(02-03-2015 02:15 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 11:31 AM)GyopoPlayboy Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 11:14 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  Good fathering today does not have the effect it had generations ago. Mostly because as a whole our society and culture is different and influences our youth differently. Granted there is something to be said for a girl who comes from a good family life, but unfortunately this day and age that's not enough.

No, this is wrong.

Good fathering is precisely what makes the difference in a girl during her formative years. It did 1000 years ago, and it still does today. Human nature doesn't change that fast.

Agreed.
As long as the father is a respectable man and the daughter respects the father, she will naturally seek out (by behaving accordingly) those qualities when she looks for a mate.

This is so naïve and wishful. People don't grow up in vacuums. The man has a point. Female nature hasn't changed in 10,000 years. It's the culture and society that reinforces what the father instills in her.

Yes the father has a huge influence but so does culture and society. To think otherwise isn't just naïve, it's dangerous and patently false.

Post: #68

I'm reading the thread again and some of the "advice" on raising daughters here makes me rub my temples, just how many guys on here are actual fathers? If someone on this forum couldn't get laid to save his life but still throwing out game advice we'd see him to the door right smartly.

Post: #69

^ Agree.

But we also have guys who couldn't even get elected to their local PTA throwing out world politics advice.

(And granted, I've never held any such office, yet dip into the politics threads sometimes.)

Post: #70

I've been noticing on other threads recently a lot of guys trying to say that if a father is strict, the daughter will rebel against him and become a slut.

My take on it is that if a girl with a strict father becomes rebellious, then there is most likely something wrong with the way her father is raising her. Being strict and protective is not the only aspect of raising a daughter. A father also needs to be genuinely respected and loved --not just feared-- by his daughter. Additionally, the father and mother need to have a healthy relationship (i.e. he needs to have picked a good woman to raise a family with), in order to be good role models for their kids.

I am aware that a lot of church girls, with strict parents who don't let them go out much, end up becoming sluts. I do not believe this is due to the father being "too strict." A lot of these modern churchgoing fathers are likely cucked betas who get bossed around by their wives. The notion that it is bad for parents to "repress" a young girl's sexuality strikes me as lefty bullshit.

Post: #71

Seems to be that some people conflate strict fathers with fathers who have and enforce boundaries.

Though similar, they are not the same.

G

Post: #72

OMG I don't even know where to start...

First things first, it's neat theory and very promising one however it's not that simple at all. This one flight attendant chick as an example doesn't prove anything. If you like that that much then go ahead and be with her but do not correlate her way of being with her dad. There's much more to it, like her general upbringing, family life [as a whole, not just dad], what kind of school she went to, what kind of friends she chooses, who she identifies with, etc etc. Her dad is just one kind of influence that shaped her but definitely to the extent that you want to believe in. Girls with strict dads are the same girls as others, they just have this annoying influence in their life that they have to deal with on regular basis for certain period of time.

Your daughter

I talked to young father recently. Smart guy. He told me that you as father have almost no chance in controlling your child's choices after he/she's in teenage years.

Why's that? It's simple.

Let's say you have a daughter. Most of your daughter's life happens outside of your control. She goes to school at age of 6-7 and she spends there good 6-8 hours daily. That's a lot. Humans are social creatures first and foremost, we want to fit in and feel safe among the tribe. From the first day of school she will seek to become part of some group. Whether she likes it or not she chooses some people to be her friends cause the peer pressure is sky high. She cannot stay as an outsider so she cannot be too selective at first.

The sponge stage starts.

Kids fight for attention, for status, for approval, for anything, compromising their values opinions and lessons learned at home just to get ahead of others. Your daughter is like a sponge now. She's exposed to every bullshit floating around, every stupid trend, etc. As years go by the "i'm so grown up" race starts. Everybody wants to be the first, the most street smart, the most experienced.

Now high school stage starts.

Those pokemons and barbie dolls turn into weird interests, cigarettes, lame music, drugs, gossips, house parties, stupid magazines with "how to suck a cock" articles, weird trends, fashion nonsense, dating wrong guys, rebel stage, promiscuity, "i hate my parents" thing, etc. It's still rather dorky and silly but the real damage begins from here.

Now college phase starts.

Now it's out of the fucking control. Everybody is super duper independent grown up. Freedom has come. Now it's the time to let go and "live life". After all those are the best times in life right? She has to taste real shit.

Every stage is a build up to another and the pinnacle is the last one. Do you really think that you can impact your daughter more by spending 3-4 hours [if that] with her at home having boring "respect yourself" conversations than plenty of her people out there that she cares about the most? Really? No chance.

And by being strict dad you only amplify how repelling you are to her if you already are. It won't stop her promiscuity. It won't put her on the right tracks. It won't make her "realize" how awesome is the way you want to show her. It won't make her forget about that dickhead who fucked her in his car. It won't make her ditch her sassy friends that she's close with. No way.

To me there are 3 ways but no guarantee:
1. Be cool dad, be the first one to show her the real life, be supportive in general, be her friend.
2. Have a great relationship with her mother to lead by example that "functional behavior" leads to happy life.
3. Pray that she will find a good guy who will control her and keep her on short leash so to speak.


Someone's daughter

In this case most probably she feels pressured and contrived by her parents but the energy is within her waiting to be released. You as a player have to find a way that she can allow herself to let go and use you to do it. To me this strict dad thing is no problem. It only tells me that she's fighting with herself and I gotta play the devil on her shoulder. Not by pressuring her but by giving her another way of thinking about letting go with me. There is this switch that needs to take place in her head. Once it clicks and she starts looking at the situation in different way she will go all the way me with and justify it later like it's nothing. That's what game is for. That's what game is all about.

In short, I would not give that much of a credit to strict dad if we're talking about high quality women.