(02-15-2017 01:26 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  This.

Also, let's not let politics into this thread the way it's diluted other areas of the manosphere - Donald Trump and his 3 wives and shitload of alimony is not red pill.

Unless Melania is ok with him having side pieces (which I assume she is cause lol, he can just deport her ass). I like Trump the asshole - not the president.

"Let's not let politics in this thread"

Proceeds to fire shots at the President

I disagree about not talking about politics, but I understand it. I think in this thread "we" (hint hint) could probably have a few contradictory opinions and not have to worry about everyone worshipping trump.

Has anyone heard of Dr Boyce Watkins on youtube?

Yeah. Lets keep the politics thing away. Was just curious of the context the Trump reference.

Keep chopping game.

Gracias Amigos.

(02-15-2017 02:04 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  Has anyone heard of Dr Boyce Watkins on youtube?

Yea, I used to listen to him. Just got a lil tired of his message being so convoluted with self-promotion, but I guess the game is to be sold, not told.

Someone could start the black man politics thread. I'm not a huge fan of chopping politics though so it wont be me.

(02-15-2017 02:20 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:04 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  Has anyone heard of Dr Boyce Watkins on youtube?

Yea, I used to listen to him. Just got a lil tired of his message being so convoluted with self-promotion, but I guess the game is to be sold, not told.

I felt the same way at first, until I realized he was marketing entrepreneurship, then I didn't feel like he was a girl on tinder with her IG name all over her bio. He makes a lot of great points investing and ownership from a melanin perspective.

(02-15-2017 02:22 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Someone could start the black man politics thread. I'm not a huge fan of chopping politics though so it wont be me.

I don't think that's necessary. Black folk seem to collectively understand there's three things we don't generally discuss with strangers, Politics, Religion, and how much Money you make.

...and whose wife you're ''counselling''...

@Comte

That's a good way, meet the chicks where they are. Getting used to the rhythm of the female conversation, what they pay attention to - pays dividends.

One trap some guys fall into is going to a romance novel book club and expecting the commonalities to turn into sexual attraction with the same group of broads.

Similarity is good for rapport building but not attraction. That's basically how guys end up in the friend zone - all rapport.

Let's take the old Chris Rock joke

You ain't ever gon find a chick that likes Wu Tang Clan and Seinfeld

The truth in that statement is that men look for chicks to have these interests, and once found she is the one.

The fact that she follows the UFC too isn't grounds for sexual attraction.

So rapping with chicks on how Beyonce got robbed allows the young player to get used to talking with chicks, and it drops his anxiety. But one can shortly relate to a chick so well that "you're like a brother to her".

In terms of technique, I'm always saying that you need to rap to people during the day, so that you can holla at bitches during the night.

To avoid the friend zone trap in your daily rap sessions, do two things
1) light flirting
2) go deep on a question/topic

The first should be obvious.
The second is crucial for the trust build stage at night. You'll learn quickly that lots of open ended questions are TOO open ended.

WIA

I've heard Watkins, but I prefer to get my business and financial advice from rich people who made money in something other than telling people how to get rich. (Investment bankers are not included in that their advice is immediately testable)

The "get rich" folks, I study their methods on how they rope people in.

WIA

(02-15-2017 03:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  In terms of technique, I'm always saying that you need to rap to people during the day, so that you can holla at bitches during the night.

To avoid the friend zone trap in your daily rap sessions, do two things
1) light flirting
2) go deep on a question/topic

The first should be obvious.
The second is crucial for the trust build stage at night. You'll learn quickly that lots of open ended questions are TOO open ended.

WIA

@WIA,

I am curious about the approach of the second step, deep conversation or topic. This I struggle with since I have noticed it could go either way with me, builds attraction or kills the sexual vibe if the topic is too deep. How would one walk that fine line? Are there certain deep questions/topics that are more effective than others?

I understand that the answer may be subjective as each person/situation differs...

I've been having some success sampling from the pool of questions I lifted from the following article:

Mitch and Greg from AsapSCIENCE sat down with Tech Insider to explain their experiment with the 36 questions. A study had found that these questions could create a bond between stranger strong enough, it could make them fall in love, and AsapSCIENCE put it to the test.

Here's the full list of 36 questions are below, and here are AsapSCIENCE videos on their YouTube channel.

Set I

1. Given the choice of anyone in the world, whom would you want as a dinner guest?

2. Would you like to be famous? In what way?

3. Before making a telephone call, do you ever rehearse what you are going to say? Why?

4. What would constitute a “perfect” day for you?

5. When did you last sing to yourself? To someone else?

6. If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or body of a 30-year-old for the last 60 years of your life, which would you want?

7. Do you have a secret hunch about how you will die?

8. Name three things you and your partner appear to have in common.

9. For what in your life do you feel most grateful?

10. If you could change anything about the way you were raised, what would it be?

11. Take four minutes and tell your partner your life story in as much detail as possible.

12. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained any one quality or ability, what would it be?

Set II

13. If a crystal ball could tell you the truth about yourself, your life, the future or anything else, what would you want to know?

14. Is there something that you’ve dreamed of doing for a long time? Why haven’t you done it?

15. What is the greatest accomplishment of your life?

16. What do you value most in a friendship?

17. What is your most treasured memory?

18. What is your most terrible memory?

19. If you knew that in one year you would die suddenly, would you change anything about the way you are now living? Why?

20. What does friendship mean to you?

21. What roles do love and affection play in your life?

22. Alternate sharing something you consider a positive characteristic of your partner. Share a total of five items.

23. How close and warm is your family? Do you feel your childhood was happier than most other people’s?

24. How do you feel about your relationship with your mother?

Set III

25. Make three true “we” statements each. For instance, "We are both in this room feeling ..."

26. Complete this sentence: "I wish I had someone with whom I could share ..."

27. If you were going to become a close friend with your partner, please share what would be important for him or her to know.

28. Tell your partner what you like about them; be very honest this time, saying things that you might not say to someone you’ve just met.

29. Share with your partner an embarrassing moment in your life.

30. When did you last cry in front of another person? By yourself?

31. Tell your partner something that you like about them already.

32. What, if anything, is too serious to be joked about?

33. If you were to die this evening with no opportunity to communicate with anyone, what would you most regret not having told someone? Why haven’t you told them yet?

34. Your house, containing everything you own, catches fire. After saving your loved ones and pets, you have time to safely make a final dash to save any one item. What would it be? Why?

35. Of all the people in your family, whose death would you find most disturbing? Why?

36. Share a personal problem and ask your partner’s advice on how he or she might handle it. Also, ask your partner to reflect back to you how you seem to be feeling about the problem you have chosen.

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DimeBait - do you have a link for that site with all the questions?

(02-15-2017 04:19 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  DimeBait - do you have a link for that site with all the questions?

LINK

@Fury

Two things
1) setting, you can't just create the you and me against the world vulnerability bubble all Willy nilly.

2) what you say verbally, you also have to move nonverbally.

So let's say you hook her group socially
- he's funny, he's fun, we all like talking to him

You bust on your target, ignore, push her away, challenge - whatever it is you do to show her that you see her for who she truly is - and she starts to want your validation - attraction achieved (there is some more subtle stuff here, but this reply is not about that)

So she's digging you, and you're doling out the validation a little bit at a time, always getting more and more compliance.

When she likes you, and the group likes you, get some semi privacy.

"Let's go buy me a drink"
"Get some air"
"I need to tell you something"

Now you're building trust or rather confirming trust by moving away from her group.

I run dual tracks at this point
1) ask her about her hopes and fears
2) put my knee between her legs

So on the verbal, she's doing one thing
On the nonverbal she's experiencing something else

So she can talk all she wants about saving the pangolin, but I'm pushing her sexual buttons at the same time.

You can't do this type of thing until you laid the groundwork ahead of time. Seduction is a process, and we're taking her through it.

Social hook
Befriend the friend
semi isolation
Twin track verbal trust and touch

Arguably there is some psychological anchoring going on, but I don't know enough about that to speak confidently on it.

To finish the pull, provided you don't poke the pussy too much, you suggest that you finish the discussion someplace else. Gives her plausible deniability and a legit reason.

Warning, rarely am I Mr Right Now and only right now. But I'm not in the friend zone either.

WIA

To be extra clear on this, the nonverbal communication sets the tone more so than the verbal communication.

And that's a general theme of game

Girl must chase
Nonverbal >> verbal
Always up the ante
Logistics wins championships

WIA

A girl and I asked each other those same questions on a first date about a year ago. We only got half way but it did feel like we connected on a somewhat deeper level. I found myself dropping the game shit and it felt good to just immerse myself in the presence of someone on my level. We banged on the same night and went on a few dates afterwards until things fizzled out. Ended up becoming really good friends. Strictly platonic.

(02-15-2017 04:46 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  A girl and I asked each other those same questions on a first date about a year ago. We only got half way but it did feel like we connected on a somewhat deeper level. I found myself dropping the game shit and it felt good to just immerse myself in the presence of someone on my level. We banged on the same night and went on a few dates afterwards until things fizzled out. Ended up becoming really good friends. Strictly platonic.

Was it your idea, if so how did you approach it? I wanted to bust out the list and say lets play a game, but I opted to ask random questions myself? I thought a "falling in love experiment" seemed a bit thirstful

I'd already heard about it, but it was her idea.

@WIA,

I appreciate the knowledge. I'm going to incorporate those steps and see if it can help me connect more without dooming myself to the friend zone.

You might try not connecting as well.

Or more properly, play not just on her inherent lust, but her guile as well.

You can think of game as doing something to the girl, or manipulation or trickery...

Or you can think of it as freeing her from her confines, helping her be her true self.

Old school game, that leaned heavy on the psychology, was about getting the chick to see her conditioning and getting her to understand that her urges weren't shameful. As archetypes go, you basically mix sexuality with the idea of naturalness and possibly spirituality.

I've had success with that sort of framing as well.

When you get good solid attraction/desire for your validation - you have lots of options. It pays to not think conventionally

WIA

(02-15-2017 02:27 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:22 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Someone could start the black man politics thread. I'm not a huge fan of chopping politics though so it wont be me.

I don't think that's necessary. Black folk seem to collectively understand there's three things we don't generally discuss with strangers, Politics, Religion, and how much Money you make.

(02-15-2017 02:33 PM)El Padrone Wrote:  ...and whose wife you're ''counselling''...

....Race

(02-15-2017 06:05 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  It pays to not think conventionally

WIA

I think this is underapreciated in game. Theres so much out there that can assist in game other than verbal and non-verbal. When I used to swim a lot of the things that made me better came from my geometry and math classes and even my biology classes in high school.

Spaniard88 posted something about getting a girls heart rate up via a hike or dancing--think adrenaline rush.
I used to try and create artificial adrenaline rushes/convince my body I was having one. Using a type of breathing, opening my eyes wide open--anything I could find that was a physiological sign for an adrenaline rush/the fight-flight response--I would try to impersonate them and trick my body into thinking it was in a fight-flight scenario.

He was using the heart rate and the dilated pupils (eyes dialate when they like looking at something) to induce a fight/flight response.
Im under the assumption that the brain is nothing more than a computer and if you press the right keys you can fool it and the body into anything--the same way all stressors are interpreted as the same "stress" and cause the body to release cortosol.
Now she's getting this adrenaline rush with you but she doesnt consciously know whats happening because a tiger isn't really about to eat her--she's just checked enough boxes for the body to release adrenaline and now she's getting butterflies with Spaniard.

I credit a lot of my unconventional thinking to my 3rd grade math teacher. She had use do "thinking outside the box" brain exercises everyday, really allows you to see opportunities where you wouldn't think you'd find them...even the ones right in front of you that don't seem relevant but are.