Post: #1

TL;DR

Struggled with fitness and body image my entire life. Over weight as a teen, skinny-fat in my 20s. Now in my 30s, trying to lean and ripped. Had real break throughs, started getting abs and arms for the first time, but then ran into health problems (from dieting an over training) that killed my sex drive. the only process to recover and restore my libido involves a period of fat gain. So my sex drive is thankfully coming back fast but I'm also gaining significant body fat and it's making me too insecure to game hot chicks. Should being out of shape (to restore health and dick function) get in the way of gaming 8-10s? How much do they really care if you're confident and funny. It's a tricky dilemma. Going to get back in shape, but i don't really want to wait. I'm tall, slim, good looking, but too flabby for my comfort level at the moment.

FULL STORY:

Hey guys, I just wanted to get people's take on something. There are those who say confidence and game pretty much trumps everything, so you don't need to have a six pack and bulging biceps. And I think we've all seen examples of 8-10s with guys who aren't what you consider great looking, but are just supremely competent and/or confident. But it's still much more common to see hot women dating guys who look like male super models, especially in LA where I live.

I've heard that I'm a good looking guy. I'm 6/1, 180lbs (roughly) with broad shoulders, a square jaw line, dark hair, dark eyes, and I've attracted some very hot women in the past. But I've always had problems with body image. I was overweight throughout my teens. At 19 I lost around 40-50lbs doing lots of cardio and cutting out a lot of fat. I didn't realize that this was a recipe for becoming "skinny-fat", and ended up in that condition throughout my 20s. So I've always been terribly insecure about my body and it's gotten in the way of confidence and dating life more than anything else.

Today I'm 33. A couple years ago I got fed up with being skinny fat, began to focus on strength training. I also went on the paleo diet with regular intermittent fasting. This is what finally started changing my body composition and I started to see some real muscle gains. I even started to see my abs for the first time.

Unfortunately I learned the hard way that these methods can actually be very damaging in the long term and I suffered from a metabolic crash; I began having issues with overly frequent urination, and then my sex drive disappeared. This was a long horrible period of trying to figure out what was wrong with me. I also had a low white blood cell count, dangerously high cholesterol, and binge eating disorder.

Finally in my own research I discovered that these are all side effects of a crashed metabolism. I read up on it and discovered a method called RRARF (rehabilitative rest and aggressive refeeding), which involves eating a lot of calorie dense foods, with significant amounts of sugar, salt and starch every day for a period, until your body temperature is consistently above 98 degrees, and your metabolism increases. Then you return to eating a normal balanced diet of healthy whole foods.

It basically turns your body into a fat burning, lean muscle mass building machine. It also enables you to permanently maintain optimal fitness without dieting, cures binge eating disorder. I definitely haven't binged since I started the process and it also restored my sex drive and fixed my urination patterns. So I know this method works.

The draw back is that you have to be prepared for a period of fat gain, bloating and lethargy. This does go away after a while, and then your body is primed to get stronger and leaner than ever, but it's a significant amount of time that you have to suffer the side effects of this recovery process. I'm in my 6th week and it really sucks. People like me who have a serious body image complex are terrified of being fat, and I've already gained a noticeable amount.

Some of my pants don't fit any more. My abs disappeared and I see the slight beginnings of man boobs forming, which I didn't have even when I was at my most skinny-fat state. I hate being skinny-fat, and hoped I would never be in this state again, but hear I am. However I need my dick to work if I ever want to bang chicks so I have to see this through. I'm also convinced that if I handle it properly I will be able to get into the best shape of my life, if I work out hard using the right methods.

So for those who know my story, I had a terrible onenitis experience that knocked me out of the game for a long period, after taking myself out of the game for an even longer time to focus on career. After that ordeal I tried the hardcore fitness thing and it back fired with the health complications. That knocked me out of the game for another 6-8 months. Then I began this recovery process and got my libido back, so I want to get back out there. The problem is I'm only attracted to 8-10 range girls (virtually impossible for me to settle for less, because that's what I got in the past… well I could even go for a 7 if she's really dainty and feminine), but I'm horribly insecure because of the body fat I've regained.

Part of me wants to stay in my cave until I start leaning out again before I start trying to game. My approach anxiety and insecurity is already at a very high level, and this self-consciousness about my body makes it a heck of a lot worse. But I probably shouldn't let it stand in my way of trying to game hot women right? If I'm funny, confident and make them feel great things, does some flabbiness really matter?

I've definitely been surprised before who slim and sexy some girls were that I dated in the distant past when I was in worse shape. But it's just hard to shake the insecurity, when it's been a life long issue, and I'm living in a city where women are a lot more superficial.

So I thought I'd ask you guys; If you had to be uncomfortably fat or out of shape for a while to restore your health and get your sex drive back to baseline, how would you players handle it? Do you think it affect your game? Any experience with this or ideas about how to handle this dilemma?

Thanks a lot

EB

Post: #2

Get your blood testosterone levels checked, and report back.

Post: #3

Approach regardless. Stop mindfucking yourself.

You have two options right now-

1)Approach regardless and choose to go for the girls you want. Maybe you have to work a bit harder than when you were ripped. But the end result is the same, which is hot pussy. When your metabolism recovers you get ripped, and the confidence you gained from gaming girls out of shape helps you out even more when you are fit.

2)Don't approach and just jack off to porn while you wait for your body to recover.

Post: #4

thanks. I will do my best. defintley don't want to rely on porn I guess I'd like ot hear if any of you guys have had good success with less than ideal fitness gaming 8-10s. but I'll try not to let it be a mental hang up anymore. It's not easy but I agree with what you're saying.

cheers

(01-17-2015 02:41 AM)Saladin Wrote:  Approach regardless. Stop mindfucking yourself.

You have two options right now-

1)Approach regardless and choose to go for the girls you want. Maybe you have to work a bit harder than when you were ripped. But the end result is the same, which is hot pussy. When your metabolism recovers you get ripped, and the confidence you gained from gaming girls out of shape helps you out even more when you are fit.

2)Don't approach and just jack off to porn while you wait for your body to recover.

Post: #5

How many hours are you on your Feet per day?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/20a5cb1a-078f-...zz3P53tYUA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/art...Jan27.html
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201...this/?_r=0
http://consumer.healthday.com/senior-cit...70500.html
http://intheloop.mayoclinic.org/discussi...ety-folks/

cliffnotes: People who are in shape are on their feet an extra 2 hours per day compared to out of shape people. This seems to be something that alot of people overlook.

It's also baffling that upon going Paleo you had frequent urination/binge eating problems; these are usually symptomatic of high glucose/insulin which Paleo inevitably cures. Had you been following Paleo for weeks, months etc? I suspect hadn't been doing Paleo long enough (or strictly enough) for all traces of the gluten and dairy to leave your system.

Post: #6

First of I don't know what the fuck you are doing regarding your diet.

Check out some good dietary program and get on orthomolecular supplementation by Swanson, Nowfoods or Youngevity - good high-potency multi, D3 5000IU, pure vitamin C 2000-5000mg, magnesium-calcium, amino-acids, probably need some gluco-msm, omega 3, B-12 once a week at 2,5mg.




Here a dietary school that gets results fast.


Regarding Gaming while being overweight - no matter, what people say - there are no fat PUAs for a reason. You may get a girlfriend overcoming her resistance as for LTRs physical limitations matter less, but r-selected lover vibe is very hard to convey while covered in deep blubber. The sexual market must be very positive for you as a man - Belarus, SEA, Africa etc.

Most of my life I was ripped but let myself go in the recent years. I am returning to form, but not there yet. I can tell you that I get way less IOIs and whenever I approach I am amazed how tough it is in comparison.

Anyone claiming that the guy here before could bang equally hot girls before getting ripped - well that is utter male delusion:


That said it is still helpful to approach - just know that you are not at your best and will get 5-20 times more rejections, which can be demotivating. As long as you don't get bitter about it I would still recommend approaching just as I did even during my fattest days - was brutal, but helpful nonetheless.

If you were a woman and thought that being more charming, more feminine, more positive could overcome being morbidly obese like this:



As they claimed at a seminar called "Supersize your Love Life" - no - women should focus 100% of their time on lowering their weight, since for them 80-90% of sexual attraction is their body.

For men it's way less, but let's not kid ourselves here.

Post: #7

EDIT: Just saw another one of OP's threads, dude takes finasteride, statins and most likely a plethora of other prescription drugs. He also smokes weed too.

Post: #8

You're 6'1 and 180 and think you're fat?

Post: #9

Some of the most successful guys in college I knew weren't in good shape either, they just convinced women that they were a good time, and women went with that

Post: #10

(01-17-2015 07:57 AM)Low Status Beta Wrote:  EDIT: Just saw another one of OP's threads, dude takes finasteride, statins and most likely a plethora of other prescription drugs. He also smokes weed too.

Finasteride - he likely uses it against hairloss - called Propecia in lower doses
http://propeciahelp.com/home / http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...hrink.html

There are better ways to deal with hair-loss via supplements and diet change.

Statins:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...drugs.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...ealed.aspx

In any case - body is getting too fucked up by these. Game is not a priority if you take killer drugs like those.

Post: #11

Thanks, I make sure to spend hours on my feet every day. I rigged up a standing desk with my computer at home and at work.

Yes paleo can work for some. And believe me I did my home work and did it right. I was a hardcore paleo diet defender too. Some can have great success with it, but a lot of people have issues with it if they do it long term.

I'm not here to debate about paleo or anything, but if you want to learn about this check out Matt Stone and his books "12 Paleo Myths", "Diet Recovery 2" and "Eat for Heat." Very interesting stuff, and based on my self-experimentation I agree with what's presented there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJYQe3KGXDM
http://180degreehealth.com
http://www.stopbeingconfusedabouthealth.com/blog/

cheers

(01-17-2015 07:35 AM)Low Status Beta Wrote:  How many hours are you on your Feet per day?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/20a5cb1a-078f-...zz3P53tYUA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/art...Jan27.html
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201...this/?_r=0
http://consumer.healthday.com/senior-cit...70500.html
http://intheloop.mayoclinic.org/discussi...ety-folks/

cliffnotes: People who are in shape are on their feet an extra 2 hours per day compared to out of shape people. This seems to be something that alot of people overlook.

It's also baffling that upon going Paleo you had frequent urination/binge eating problems; these are usually symptomatic of high glucose/insulin which Paleo inevitably cures. Had you been following Paleo for weeks, months etc? I suspect hadn't been doing Paleo long enough (or strictly enough) for all traces of the gluten and dairy to leave your system.

Post: #12

If you read the full version of my post/s, I explain what I'm doing with my diet. I am not "overweight" either. I'm 6/1 180lbs. Skinny-fatness is what I'm trying not to be. I made good progress and started getting very lean and more muscular using paleo nutrition, whole foods, raw foods, intensive strength training, anaerobic exercises etc. I'm not new to fitness and nutrition methods, supplements etc.

But now I'm using a method called RRARF to heal my metabolism that crashed and gave me all kinds of issues. Because I have to eat extra calories, include sugar, fat and starch which have healing properties for a lowered metabolism (you can check out the books I mentioned, or videos and articles by Matt Stone and Avishek Saha).

I also have to cut back on training and rest as much as possible. Regaining body fat during this period is inevitable, but necessary to fix my metabolism and restor my libido. so I'm getting back a bit of the dreaded skinny-fat look I was trying to get rid of an it's affecting my confidence. That's all. I'm not new to fitness and nutrition, or fat. I attract women with my looks. I'm just have a deep seeded fear that they'll be turned off if I'm not super ripped and lean. Thank you for your input, but I just wanted to clarify where I'm coming from.

NOTE: if you want to see pictures of my body transformation process, my food and details about what I was doing nutritionally you can check out this thread that I posted on a site, back when I was experimenting with 4hr body stuff http://www.4hbtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=39282

(01-17-2015 07:37 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  First of I don't know what the fuck you are doing regarding your diet.

Check out some good dietary program and get on orthomolecular supplementation by Swanson, Nowfoods or Youngevity - good high-potency multi, D3 5000IU, pure vitamin C 2000-5000mg, magnesium-calcium, amino-acids, probably need some gluco-msm, omega 3, B-12 once a week at 2,5mg.

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Here a dietary school that gets results fast.


Regarding Gaming while being overweight - no matter, what people say - there are no fat PUAs for a reason. You may get a girlfriend overcoming her resistance as for LTRs physical limitations matter less, but r-selected lover vibe is very hard to convey while covered in deep blubber. The sexual market must be very positive for you as a man - Belarus, SEA, Africa etc.

Most of my life I was ripped but let myself go in the recent years. I am returning to form, but not there yet. I can tell you that I get way less IOIs and whenever I approach I am amazed how tough it is in comparison.

Anyone claiming that the guy here before could bang equally hot girls before getting ripped - well that is utter male delusion:

That said it is still helpful to approach - just know that you are not at your best and will get 5-20 times more rejections, which can be demotivating. As long as you don't get bitter about it I would still recommend approaching just as I did even during my fattest days - was brutal, but helpful nonetheless.

If you were a woman and thought that being more charming, more feminine, more positive could overcome being morbidly obese like this:
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As they claimed at a seminar called "Supersize your Love Life" - no - women should focus 100% of their time on lowering their weight, since for them 80-90% of sexual attraction is their body.

For men it's way less, but let's not kid ourselves here.

Post: #13

Crashed metabolism and over training has nothing to do with Paleo diet.

That's entirely of your own doing.

I would suggest researching how you're implementing your diet and exercise protocols rather then giving in to confirmation bias and resting on the few Paleo detractors to give yourself excuses.

Post: #14

(01-17-2015 12:51 PM)EpicBeta Wrote:  If you read the full version of my post/s, I explain what I'm doing with my diet. I am not "overweight" either. I'm 6/1 180lbs. Skinny-fatness is what I'm trying not to be. I made good progress and started getting very lean and more muscular using paleo nutrition, whole foods, raw foods, intensive strength training, anaerobic exercises etc. I'm no to fitness and nutrition methods, supplements etc.
....
NOTE: if you want to see pictures of my body transformation process, my food and details about what I was doing nutritionally you can check out this thread that I posted on a site, back when I was experimenting with 4hr body stuff http://www.4hbtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=39282

Just saw your pics - 6'1 and 180 pounds is not bad and you seem to look sharp enough. Many veritable pussy-slayers are in far worse shape, shorter and worse looking than you.

I was really overweight and put in the approaches - sometimes even with success.

It's all in your head - you should be running Day Game as we speak. The difference between your current body and an even more ripped one are minimal. I rather had a truly overweight state in mind 6'1 and 220-250 pounds - that would be much tougher.

But let finasteride & statins go - recommendation - I took Finasterid as Propecia myself against hairloss, but now shifted to supplements and diet change. Statins are even worse - the same effect can be achieved in a more healthy manner.

By the way - even if you remained in exactly the same shape as in the last pic you posted in the link, you could become a world-class Player with that body as well - you crossed the effectiveness threshold some time ago.

Post: #15

I know my posts are long as shit sometimes, but if you read the whole thing I quit taking finasteride (yeah it was for hair-loss and I don't care about that anymore) back when I first started having issues and will never touch the crap again. this brought some of my sex drive back, by about 40%, but it wasn't until I quit the restrictive diet and started fixing metabolism that I started to get back to normal about 80-90%. losing your sex drive is an utter nightmare you do not even want to imagine, so this was a huge relief. A lot of people don't understand metabolism, the importance of it and how to keep it high, but I noted the books and sources I used for reference if anyone's interested. I also quit smoking weed and I'm doing fine with that. Not taking any prescription meds anymore either.

thanks

(01-17-2015 07:57 AM)Low Status Beta Wrote:  EDIT: Just saw another one of OP's threads, dude takes finasteride, statins and most likely a plethora of other prescription drugs. He also smokes weed too.

Post: #16

Not fat, skinny-fat. It's a condition people end up with when they don't lose weight properly and focus enough on strength training, with the wrong approach to nutrition. Once you get in this condition it's hard to get out. I finally figured out the right methods but have to back track a little now to get my health back. Thanks for the reality check though

(01-17-2015 08:04 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  You're 6'1 and 180 and think you're fat?

Post: #17

Thanks. I'm off all the meds now and not worried about hairloss anymore. It was never that big of a deal to me. I just though finasteride was safe. Now I know better and my hair looks fine so it's all good

(01-17-2015 10:20 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-17-2015 07:57 AM)Low Status Beta Wrote:  EDIT: Just saw another one of OP's threads, dude takes finasteride, statins and most likely a plethora of other prescription drugs. He also smokes weed too.

Finasteride - he likely uses it against hairloss - called Propecia in lower doses
http://propeciahelp.com/home / http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...hrink.html

There are better ways to deal with hair-loss via supplements and diet change.

Statins:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...drugs.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...ealed.aspx

In any case - body is getting too fucked up by these. Game is not a priority if you take killer drugs like those.

Post: #18

Thanks LeBeau, but once again, I'm not going to debate the paleo diet here. I do plenty of research and self-experimentation. In doing so I go off results and nothing more. I just read 4 different books about this front to back and I can assure you the ideas are not without merit. I was a hardcore paleo enthusiast and defender too. But I disagree that it cannot have negative effects on your metabolism. It doesn't effect everyone this way, but if you look into it or check out the books I mentioned, there are MANY people who have these side effects, and fix themselves by returning to a balanced diet.

I went to several different doctors to figure out what was causing my issues, and it wasn't until I started using this approach that my metabolism and sex drive started returning to normal. Believe me, if you lose your sex drive (among the other issues) you take it very seriously and do your home work. I'm not just taking a few paleo detractors advice at face value to give myself "excuses". Trust me. and these are not just conventionally thinking paleo nay sayers either. These are researchers who came from a very pro-paelo type of back ground and mind set. I'd read those books I mentioned before totally dismissing the ideas I'm talking about. But I appreciate your thoughts nonetheless.

(01-17-2015 12:59 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  Crashed metabolism and over training has nothing to do with Paleo diet.

That's entirely of your own doing.

I would suggest researching how you're implementing your diet and exercise protocols rather then giving in to confirmation bias and resting on the few Paleo detractors to give yourself excuses.

Post: #19

(01-17-2015 07:37 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

As they claimed at a seminar called "Supersize your Love Life" - no - women should focus 100% of their time on lowering their weight, since for them 80-90% of sexual attraction is their body.

For men it's way less, but let's not kid ourselves here.

Even those tanks will have losers lining up to throw them some dick simply because they have pussies.

Just having a dick isn't enough for a man.

Post: #20

Thanks a lot man. This is what I needed to hear I appreciate everyone's input, and I REALLY appreciate you checking out the pics and giving me your reaction.

The most recent pic you mentioned is the best shape I've ever been in, and saddly I've started to lose that over the past 6-7 weeks of doing the RRARF method. This is for the best because I'm getting my sex drive back and I'll be primed to get into even better shape later. The challenge is just getting through this period when I have to regain some body fat.

I agree with you though that it's all psychological and that there are players in much worse shape. I think I just needed to hear a player tell me that.

Thanks again. That was very encouraging.

(01-17-2015 01:01 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-17-2015 12:51 PM)EpicBeta Wrote:  If you read the full version of my post/s, I explain what I'm doing with my diet. I am not "overweight" either. I'm 6/1 180lbs. Skinny-fatness is what I'm trying not to be. I made good progress and started getting very lean and more muscular using paleo nutrition, whole foods, raw foods, intensive strength training, anaerobic exercises etc. I'm no to fitness and nutrition methods, supplements etc.
....
NOTE: if you want to see pictures of my body transformation process, my food and details about what I was doing nutritionally you can check out this thread that I posted on a site, back when I was experimenting with 4hr body stuff http://www.4hbtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=39282

Just saw your pics - 6'1 and 180 pounds is not bad and you seem to look sharp enough. Many veritable pussy-slayers are in far worse shape, shorter and worse looking than you.

I was really overweight and put in the approaches - sometimes even with success.

It's all in your head - you should be running Day Game as we speak. The difference between your current body and an even more ripped one are minimal. I rather had a truly overweight state in mind 6'1 and 220-250 pounds - that would be much tougher.

But let finasteride & statins go - recommendation - I took Finasterid as Propecia myself against hairloss, but now shifted to supplements and diet change. Statins are even worse - the same effect can be achieved in a more healthy manner.

By the way - even if you remained in exactly the same shape as in the last pic you posted in the link, you could become a world-class Player with that body as well - you crossed the effectiveness threshold some time ago.

Post: #21

Thanks for posting the link to your pictures. Just took a look at them and I think that your issue it that you lost some body fat by mainly doing some type of Interval type training. Maybe I'm wrong since I didn't read the entire thread but that's what it looks like. You have without any doubt an ectomorph body type so building muscle will always be a little harder for you.

By knowing this, you can afford to stay away from realy strict Intermittent Fasting since by just lifting heavy and eating right, you'll stay lean around the mid section and muscular at the same time. Also, you really need to pound your legs really hard. I didn't see any muscular build in your legs and if you want to be muscular while being an ectomorph you absolutely need to pound you're legs no exception.

And to finish, as a heads up, if you ever notice yourself being skinny fat it means that your diet is really not right since you have the luxury and ability to be ripped 24/7 by being an ectomorph. Whatever you were doing when taking the first pic of your album just never do it again cause it was just wrong. No training with ok eating and McDonald 3 times a week wouldn't be enough to put you in this bad of a shape.

Those August 2014 pics look fine just need to add a bit more calories and heavy leg training and you're there. And on you're August 2014 shape you could game any bitch that you want since you'd be in equally or better shape then her. Just stick to the basics and you're Gold.

Post: #22

(01-17-2015 01:25 PM)EpicBeta Wrote:  I agree with you though that it's all psychological and that there are players in much worse shape. I think I just needed to hear a player tell me that.

Thanks again. That was very encouraging.

I am not a Player - I engage in that kind of lifestyle when traveling by doing plenty of approaches the entire 3-14 days I'm usually away from home. But I would not call myself one - 2 of my best friends are what I would call Players. It's a different lifestyle - in a more balanced viewpoint it's a man with passions in life, who just has one strong hobby for entertainment and pleasure - women. If you dedicate enough time to that goal, enjoy a varied sexual life with hotter younger women than yourself, then you may call yourself a "Player" after a time - but that's really a definition that not everyone would agree on - but we know what it means.

Post: #23

(01-17-2015 12:51 PM)EpicBeta Wrote:  But now I'm using a method called RRARF to heal my metabolism that crashed and gave me all kinds of issues. Because I have to eat extra calories, include sugar, fat and starch which have healing properties for a lowered metabolism (you can check out the books I mentioned, or videos and articles by Matt Stone and Avishek Saha).

I also have to cut back on training and rest as much as possible.

The average American already eats plenty of "extra calories" that include sugar, fat & starch. They also rest as much as possible with very little training. How does this help their metabolism?

And If you lack the discipline to smoke weed, it is highly unlikely you have the discipline to stay full on Paleo/IF without having a cheat meal/slipping up.

Post: #24

One more time, I'm not here to explain the science or debate it, that isn't the point of this thread. I noted the books I read which contain all of the sources, studies and data if you care to research it. It's not a long term process but extra calories with sugar, fat and starch (and salt) + large amounts of rehabilitative rest help to recover a crashed metabolism, which resulted from having an overly restrictive diet for too long of a period and over-training (a combination that is harmful to many, partially because it keeps your stress levels too high and messes with your body in a number of ways), by lowering stress levels and raising your body temp. I wasn't eating an "average American" diet before. If you don't want to believe in what I'm talking about or have no reason to study it that's perfectly okay. This is the only treatment that's cured me of my side effects which were a fucking nightmare to go through.

To clarify, people who eat like shit all the time and never work out obviously have low metabolisms because that's how live all the time. Someone who uses RRARF to raise their metabolism, go back to eating healthy and training regularly. Those people aren't coming from a place of eating the average American diet and being lazy all the time.

I quit smoking weed, but I also had issues with binging before when I wasn't high (weed didn't have much of a "munchies" effect on me either because I did it for so long). Thanks to the method I'm using now, binging no longer a problem for me either. It's hard to understand these things if you haven't dealt with them yourself or studied them. Now I always stop eating when I'm full and haven't had any binging episodes. and when I say binge, I don't just mean eating a lot - we're talking thousands of calories in one sitting, to the point of getting sick. A total loss of control. again, you won't understand this if you haven't dealt with or thoroughly researched it. It's a disorder that results from your body's famine trigger, after restricting the calories you need. Will power doesn't even factor in when the body has this response. I was so confused about how I could be so disciplined with so many other things and still lose control this way, but now I understand why it was happening to me.

Maybe one day when I have more time I can post a thread in the fitness section about the RRARFF (Rehabilitative Rest and Aggressive Refeeding) process, but there isn't much point for me to do that right now. Anyone who's interested can look into it and draw their own conclusions.

Cheers

(01-18-2015 12:04 AM)Low Status Beta Wrote:  

(01-17-2015 12:51 PM)EpicBeta Wrote:  But now I'm using a method called RRARF to heal my metabolism that crashed and gave me all kinds of issues. Because I have to eat extra calories, include sugar, fat and starch which have healing properties for a lowered metabolism (you can check out the books I mentioned, or videos and articles by Matt Stone and Avishek Saha).

I also have to cut back on training and rest as much as possible.

The average American already eats plenty of "extra calories" that include sugar, fat & starch. They also rest as much as possible with very little training. How does this help their metabolism?

And If you lack the discipline to smoke weed, it is highly unlikely you have the discipline to stay full on Paleo/IF without having a cheat meal/slipping up.

Post: #25

Thanks a lot for the input man. Really appreciate that. I'm going to work my legs hard. I was working them regularly and made some progress, but i admit they need more focus. I hate lower body training, but I'm going to teach myslef to love it haha. thanks again

(01-17-2015 01:26 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  Thanks for posting the link to your pictures. Just took a look at them and I think that your issue it that you lost some body fat by mainly doing some type of Interval type training. Maybe I'm wrong since I didn't read the entire thread but that's what it looks like. You have without any doubt an ectomorph body type so building muscle will always be a little harder for you.

By knowing this, you can afford to stay away from realy strict Intermittent Fasting since by just lifting heavy and eating right, you'll stay lean around the mid section and muscular at the same time. Also, you really need to pound your legs really hard. I didn't see any muscular build in your legs and if you want to be muscular while being an ectomorph you absolutely need to pound you're legs no exception.

And to finish, as a heads up, if you ever notice yourself being skinny fat it means that your diet is really not right since you have the luxury and ability to be ripped 24/7 by being an ectomorph. Whatever you were doing when taking the first pic of your album just never do it again cause it was just wrong. No training with ok eating and McDonald 3 times a week wouldn't be enough to put you in this bad of a shape.

Those August 2014 pics look fine just need to add a bit more calories and heavy leg training and you're there. And on you're August 2014 shape you could game any bitch that you want since you'd be in equally or better shape then her. Just stick to the basics and you're Gold.