Post: #1

Pretty sure I'm going back to well one too many times with a thread like this, but the usual trend with newbies and guys that are already on the path to self-improvement (such as myself here), is worrying about passing a shit test, coming up with an opener, or any other (insert what should I do next?) type of situations.

It has been noted that half of "game" is simply waking up and forcing your ass out your front door. Pushing yourself out of your comfort zone, so to speak. More than likely you will meet a girl that catches your eye. The scenario here is whether or not you take action or auto-reject yourself through game theories you've spent the majority of your day reading. I will say this, on a positive note, it will inspire you to re-calibrate your game, but at the same time, you will crumble because you've victimized yourself to paralysis by analysis.

I'm against carpet bombing approaches, but you have to put in the work to become what you've always wanted to be.

Post: #2

Did you read "Bang"? It's got a lot of great openers like the "let me guess..." ones. If you're doing night game it's easy to just day hey with a smile to the girl sitting near you (I learned that from heavy).

I find it's helpful to put yourself in a mode of doing something else like looking for a book at a bookstore or selecting a new Nigerian blend of coffee and giving an off-the-cuff special interest opener that is somewhat indirect. It lets you establish some common ground and seem non-threatening.

It seems like you have to escalate pretty rapidly though after opening when running day game. I'm a total noob to that so I guess I could be wrong. Creating a vibe through body language and eye contact is something I've been working on lately.

Post: #3

Game = social skills. People overthink this.

Post: #4

(01-07-2015 02:47 PM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  Game = social skills. People overthink this.

A large portion of game is social skills, but social skills is way too generic and small of a definition.

To most people social skills is being able to have friends both male/female, occasionally lead in social settings, and not be uncomfortable talking to small size groups.

That doesn't get you laid in and of itself. For that you usually need the rest of game.

Post: #5

(01-07-2015 02:47 PM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  Game = social skills. People overthink this.

The fuck it is. Plenty of men have good social skills but don't do well with women.

Game is an understanding of female sexual psychology and specific seduction techniques that has to be layed in top of basic social skills.
Or maybe not even that; I've known guys who couldn't get along with people and were widely disliked but got laid a lot.

If your statement was true, joining the Chamber of Commerce, the local country club or Toastmasters would help guys learn the skills to get laid.

Post: #6

Game is an extension of social skills. If you don't have social skills, you will have trouble.

You need to have the ability to banter, sub-communicate sexuality, escalate, overcome "shit tests," etc.

Those are not social skills in and of themselves.

Post: #7

No, game is not just social skills.

I guess there's something to be said for using social skills to seduce women, but do we really need to be reminded of the fact that hot chicks love bad boy anti-social biker type who act like douche and keep getting jailed?

Since we here on RVF promote self-improvement going the route of social skills + game, I guess we can agree that it's the safest way to game in an increasingly men-hating and politically hostile world. But no, for every smooth charming guy with dozen of friends who does well with women, I know at least one or two guys who go the cavemen route and get laid (and eventually get jailed) Surprised, it's actually these types who never got false rape claim. Bitches know better than to lay some stupid shit like that on a psychotic.

That, and some of the most social butterflies guys are also lords of the friendzone. Once guilty.

Post: #8

(01-07-2015 08:31 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  No, game is not just social skills.

I guess there's something to be said for using social skills to seduce women, but do we really need to be reminded of the fact that hot chicks love bad boy anti-social biker type who act like douche and keep getting jailed?

Since we here on RVF promote self-improvement going the route of social skills + game, I guess we can agree that it's the safest way to game in an increasingly men-hating and politically hostile world. But no, for every smooth charming guy with dozen of friends who does well with women, I know at least one or two guys who go the cavemen route and get laid (and eventually get jailed) Surprised, it's actually these types who never got false rape claim. Bitches know better than to lay some stupid shit like that on a psychotic.

That, and some of the most social butterflies guys are also lords of the friendzone. Once guilty.

Yeah..there's a lot of those guys in my city. You can find them in your nearest young professional kickball leagues....

Post: #9

Heartiste had a post about the difference between game and red pill recently, where he says basically that game is "applied charisma" and red pill is your understanding of the theories behind male-female interaction and mating, female psychology, etc.

Quote:GAME is all the techniques and strategies to get better with women, including negging, cold reading, push pull, frame control, but also self improvement topics like working out, better posture, career development. the RED PILL, in contrast, is the deeper understanding that women are not sugar and spice and everything nice, that they in fact have a strong need to be sexually overwhelmed and dominated, that they are fundamentally emotional and childlike, that their concept of truth is not the same as that of men, and that their core nature is not to be loyal. the red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are, not as we want them to be.

This quotation is not Heartiste himself but someone that he quoted. Link here.

As for the OP, yes I agree that shit game is better than no game. The memories I have of when I first started running game at the bar make me cringe. I still got numbers and dates though. I'm a lot better now, but I'm sure that I'll cringe at how I am now when I look back in retrospect in a year or two. Any player in development will have to go through an initial phase of running shit game. You can't put up the heaviest weights in the gym the first time you show up. Game is no different.

Post: #10

(01-07-2015 07:21 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 02:47 PM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  Game = social skills. People overthink this.

The fuck it is. Plenty of men have good social skills but don't do well with women.

Game is an understanding of female sexual psychology and specific seduction techniques that has to be layed in top of basic social skills.
Or maybe not even that; I've known guys who couldn't get along with people and were widely disliked but got laid a lot.

If your statement was true, joining the Chamber of Commerce, the local country club or Toastmasters would help guys learn the skills to get laid.

I know tons of guys with good social skills who are horrible with women and tons of guys with poor or no social skills who do well with women. I don't have a problem getting girls, but many people, especially in the legal community, think I'm a real bastard. I'm not an ass kisser and I have a really abrupt nature about me. This rubs many people the wrong way. I know a guy who may very well have the highest notch count in the D.C. area and who most people can't stand. Few, if any, people would say that that guy has good social skills.

Post: #11

serious question, what are social skills? I'm guessing everyone has a different definition. To me, it's the an ability to verbally interact and build genuine connection s with people. I know a lot of people who talk just to talk without really saying much, and yet they would be considered to have good social skills.

Post: #12

"Game" is not just basic social skills. I never had a problem socializing or interacting with people.