Post: #76

(12-18-2014 12:14 AM)kosko Wrote:  You watch enough vanilla shit and soon your brain gets bored of it and needs something new. Next your watching anime tenticle porn with women in clown makeup doing cuckolds or some shit. Where does it all end? Tons of men are trapped in that mess and just just keep them selves ... low energy and useless from non-stip fap and porn binges.

I'm just one data point, but my sexual interests and porn use has not changed one little bit since I started using porn a decade ago.

I'm still getting off to exactly the same stuff and I love.

But I'm not spending hours in front of the screen. I get off twice a day and then go about my business. I'm dealing with the problem, so that I can get back to what I really want to do with my time.

Anyone similar/different?

Post: #77

(12-22-2014 12:12 AM)Suits Wrote:  I'm just one data point, but my sexual interests and porn use has not changed one little bit since I started using porn a decade ago.

I'm still getting off to exactly the same stuff and I love.

But I'm not spending hours in front of the screen. I get off twice a day and then go about my business. I'm dealing with the problem, so that I can get back to what I really want to do with my time.

Anyone similar/different?

Same here. It is just another need just like hunger. I just want to take care of it and move on. The best value/time ratio for this is porn.

Post: #78

(12-22-2014 12:22 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 12:12 AM)Suits Wrote:  I'm just one data point, but my sexual interests and porn use has not changed one little bit since I started using porn a decade ago.

I'm still getting off to exactly the same stuff and I love.

But I'm not spending hours in front of the screen. I get off twice a day and then go about my business. I'm dealing with the problem, so that I can get back to what I really want to do with my time.

Anyone similar/different?

Same here. It is just another need just like hunger. I just want to take care of it and move on. The best value/time ratio for this is porn.

This isn't to say that I don't make effort to get laid.

I have a twice daily need to get off. The amount of investment needed to get this much sex from a female just isn't worth it to me.

I have a female come over about once a week for a night of sex. For me, this is enough real sex. The porn is just a stop gate for the times in between, because having a girl for each night of the week or giving up control over my own schedule and guilt-free strange by acquiring a girlfriend just doesn't cut it.

Rather, I have a lifestyle that draws a reasonable number of girls into my life. I select the correct candidates, have them over for dinner and a movie and game them in the comfort of my home.

When I feel like it, I also will go out to clubs or talk to women I meet as a matter of course in public, usually because they genuinely interested me and I had a real reason to talk to them. Not because they happened to have a vagina attached to a nice pair of legs and a optimized child-bearing chest.

But unless I'm comfortable dealing with the constant distraction of sexual desire on a daily basis, I think porn will be a part of my life for some time.

Post: #79

@Suits as with anything - there IS variation on the effect of porn on men. The studies always say something like 60% of men had lower semen quality, 90% experience this, 70% experienced that.

There's always some subgroup of men who don't seem to have the negative effects. The thing is that the stats easily show the MAJORITY of men (but you're right, not all) have bad effects from watching it.

Post: #80

(12-22-2014 01:49 AM)Tytalus Wrote:  @Suits as with anything - there IS variation on the effect of porn on men. The studies always say something like 60% of men had lower semen quality, 90% experience this, 70% experienced that.

There's always some subgroup of men who don't seem to have the negative effects. The thing is that the stats easily show the MAJORITY of men (but you're right, not all) have bad effects from watching it.

Good news is, that lower semen quality is nothing but a boon for guys who aren't planning on having a kid any time soon, if ever. If it porn prevents pregnancy, all the better.

As long as I can still get it up when I do have sex. That's something to be seriously concerned about.

If I can't get it up with ugly bitches, I'll shoot for higher quality women. This is a good thing.

If I can't get it up with anyone, I might have to reconsider my porn use.

Post: #81

I'd rather beat off to a 8-10 on a screen than get married to a fatty who'll probably file for a divorce soon after she has a couple of kids anyways.

Post: #82

(12-22-2014 12:12 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 12:14 AM)kosko Wrote:  You watch enough vanilla shit and soon your brain gets bored of it and needs something new. Next your watching anime tenticle porn with women in clown makeup doing cuckolds or some shit. Where does it all end? Tons of men are trapped in that mess and just just keep them selves ... low energy and useless from non-stip fap and porn binges.

I'm just one data point, but my sexual interests and porn use has not changed one little bit since I started using porn a decade ago.

I'm still getting off to exactly the same stuff and I love.

But I'm not spending hours in front of the screen. I get off twice a day and then go about my business. I'm dealing with the problem, so that I can get back to what I really want to do with my time.

Anyone similar/different?

Yeah. I am the same. I started watching at a fairly young age, I guess at least for my time period. I remember the days when it took ten minutes to download a picture and you were praying the whole time that no one picked up the phone and disconnected the modem. At that point in time it really wasn't all that different than finding your dads or older brothers stack of playboys with a few penthouses mixed in. The hardcore stuff was a bit harder to find and it would take hours to download a 3 minute movie.

Then the modems got better and broadband came out and you could download 3 minute movies in minutes. Today with streaming sites, it is unreal.

This may be TMI but my tastes never really got all that hardcore. At first it was mainly playboy and softcore type of stuff. Then I got into the harder stuff but I always stayed away from the fucked up cuckold, BDSM, and worse type of shit.

In fact, I have always oscillated a bit. Not long ago I got bored with the harder stuff and started searching out softcore and mediumcore type of stuff again. Things like Sexy Urban Legends and some of the playboy movies.

From the sound of it I think I probably have a bit of a high sex drive. Unless I am on a bender and drunk for three or four days straight, I usually need sex at least three or four times a day.

That just isn't possible, even when I do have dedicated fuck buddies or an LTR.

So, I jerk it and then go back to doing whatever.

I think that a lot of the negative effects come from certain types of personalities. Just like some of us, me included, can abuse drugs and booze and not fall prey to the addiction to the same extent as others, as an example I am by all means a alcoholic but not in anything close to the same way as my brother...when he is off the wagon he literally drinks a 5th of Jameson a day and will literally have seizures, hallucinations, and his hands will shake uncontrollably if he stops drinking...me, I drink about every other day and the most problems I have ever had was some weird dreams for the first few days after stopping, I think there must be something similar with porn addicts/users.

I have never understood the guys who will surf porn for hours at a time and not even fap. I especially don't understand doing this at work/school/wherever.

As far as porn and marriage rates.

I think there is some truth to that. One of the earlier protests by women about porn was that it allowed their husbands to see what they were missing out on. What other women looked like naked and what other types of sex acts their wives wouldn't perform. I always thought that was an interesting argument.

For me, it is mainly western women though like others have said. I remember in my bluer pill days having an epiphany or lucid moment concerning western women. I have mentioned a few times on the forum how I lived in the middle east growing up.

I used to spend a year or more and then come back to America for a month or two and I would have some crazy culture shock, or so I thought, and walk around in this alien type environment.

Then in my early 20s I went back and at the time I was dating three different girls. One was a 17 yr old student who wanted to get married, have kids, and work part time for the UN. Another was a part time belly dancer and hostess, and the other was a 19 year old Olympic gymnast. It was amazing.

I had just gotten out of a horrible 3 year long relationship. I was disillusioned by women but I had hooked up with a few college girls before this trip and after the relationship ended.

So, then I came back to America and I realized that it wasn't so much culture shock but how masculine and horrible our women are compared to foreign women. It was a real disappointment for me and I guess ultimately helped lead me to the red pill.

Add on top of that experience the fact that most of my peer grew up in divorced or single mother by choice households and who the fuck would want to get married. Hell, add on top of that pile of shit the fact that even if you do want to get married most women in their 20s aren't interested in even dating long terms or marriage and again add on top of all that the fact that the economy is shit.

Marriage is retirement for women. That is all it every has been or will be. It might have made sense before when men had the jobs and women were in the kitchen but now...fuck that.

Post: #83

An abortion of a would-be ROK post on this issue (I abandoned working on this post, so I thought I would share it instead of sending it to the trash):

Marriage Rates Are Declining Because Society Doesn't Care About Men

As working class women begin to assert their rights, or at least least to listen to feminist ideas, their husbands see in this turn of events another blow to their own self-respect, the crowning indignity heaped on the workingman by a middle-class liberalism that has already destroyed his savings, bused his children to distant schools, undermined his authority over them, and now threatens to turn his wife against him.

Christopher Lasch, The Culture Of Narcissism



Back in the early '60's, the TV show The Twilight Zone ran an episode entitled, "A Stop At Willoughby." In the episode, we witness a career-man in distress. Bullied on one hand by a bellicose boss at work, he comes home to a cold, emotionless wife. Caught in a world that degrades both the workplace and the home, he fantasizes about a world past: one in which people are valued as individuals, surrounded by supportive familial relations and a healthy respect for the work a man does.

While the episode ends on a tragic note---with the main character plunging to his death off a moving train---the episode speaks volumes about modern society, even back in the '60's. Women had already began to ratchet up their demands of men, causing great friction in heterosexual relations as women simultaneously became more menacing to men while also refusing to acknowledge, much less address, male emotional or sexual needs. Further, the workplace had already begun to become a game of sorts, where the promoted and lauded are not done so much for their actual workplace contributions, but for their appearance of competence, personal magnetism and their ability to project a socially-acceptable level of ambition.

This episode aired almost a half-century ago. Things must have gotten better, no? Second-wave feminism has swept the nation, promising to put sexual relations on equal footing, to give voice to the oppression of women and rectify the dreaded evils of male supremacy and the cult of domesticity that prevented women from achieving their true creative potential. We have had multiple Presidents who considered themselves feminists; we have had serious legislation passed to ameliorate the social ill of sexual inequality. Further, we have had sweeping changes to the workplace. Issues of work/life balance are important public debates, as are issues of discrimination, sexual harassment and mental health. It gets better, right?

No. The average American is more disaffected then ever, men especially. The workplace continues to under-employ people while providing them less satisfaction for their work. Most importantly, however, is the fact that relations between men and women is more precarious than ever. As expected, this has a supremely negative influence on the most important institution in society: marriage.

This shift in marital trends hasn't gone unnoticed by mainstream outlets. The Washington Examiner recently ran an article on a study done by some German social scientists. The authors of the study concluded that an association exists between use of pornography on the Internet and the erosion of marriage. They didn't assert that pornography is certainly a significant factor in declining marriage rates and the dissolution of marriage, but that the data they collated suggests that it is likely that access to pornography is a significant factor in the erosion of marital relations.

While the article and the study make many preposterous assumptions and conclusions, what is most striking is the ignorance of the true source of marital discord: women's lack of desire for true commitment and loving marriages. The researchers make the all-too-common assumption that issues of commitment between men and women necessarily stem from men's decisions.

It wasn't men that first regarded marriage as the ultimate trap: it was women, goaded on by second-wave feminism. It wasn't men that treated women as class oppressors, it was women, goaded on by second-wave feminism. It wasn't men who regarded women with boundless rage, it was women, goaded on by second-wave feminism.



The marital issues faced by America today were spurred on by women, utilizing feminism at the political level. American women came to see marriage, family life and domesticity as the ultimate form of oppression. The mindset is best summed up by Sylvia Plath in The Bell Jar:

It would mean getting up at seven and cooking him eggs and bacon and toast and coffee and dawdling about in my nightgown and curlers after he'd left for work to wash up the dirty plates and make the bed, and then when he came home after a lively, fascinating day he'd expect a big dinner, and I'd spend the even washing up, even more dirty plates till I fell into bed, utterly exhausted.

Christopher Lasch offers a critical bit of commentary on this passage.

If the man protests that he is exhausted too, and that his "fascinating day" consists of drudgery and humiliation, his wife suspects that he wishes to merely give her domestic prison the appearance of a rose-covered cottage.

The changes in social considerations of divorce, child custody and the formation of marriage and it's maintenance revolve completely around this deeply-embedded feminine fear of commitment. This radical adjustment to considerations of marriage has greatly helped keep women interested in marriage. Since women know that marriage revolves completely around them and their desires, marriage is a seen as a positive endeavor by them---most especially because they know they can indulge their fear of commitment and dissolve the "union" with a snap of their ring finger.

What this has resulted for men, however, is men declining to lift a finger in the sex/dating/marriage market. The aforementioned article mentions the access to sex as a primary driver of marriage, but that ignores that men have primarily valued a woman's love and devotion over access to sex. Further, it ignores the plainly obvious fact that men are sons of their parents and many of them watched as their mothers behaved like petty tyrants in the home and routinely denied their fathers sexual affection.

By turning marriage from a union based on love and mutually exclusive obligations into an institution that revolves around what women want to demand from men, it has caused many men not to withdraw from the institution, but to refuse outright to participate in any substantive sense. The linked-to article presupposes that without pornography, that men would start dating and thinking about marriage. If you are watching it, it is for you. Nobody views media just to pass the time, but because whatever they are reading or watching is propping up their identity or fulfilling a need or desire. Regular consumption of the pornographic arts is about a desire to think about sex, but not actually pursue it in real life.

This isn't the whole picture of why men are turning to pornography over real-life interaction with women; economics explains the other part. The workplace doesn't provide a "fascinating day" for men, but a day filled with mindless drudgery and meaningless commitments and accomplishments. There is no "liveliness" in the day-to-day grind for the average male worker, just a parade of mind-numbing tasks justified by sickening corporate homages to "taking care of their employees" and "making the world a better place." The charade of the modern workplace is further buttressed by the fact that people don't get promoted for their competence, but for their ability to project their image of conformance with corporate policy and their ability to please the tastes of their managers.

Post: #84

(12-22-2014 04:55 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  An abortion of a would-be ROK post on this issue (I abandoned working on this post, so I thought I would share it instead of sending it to the trash):

Why did not you post it? Its good, I like it.

Post: #85

All nonsense. There's nothing wrong with guys masturbating. It strikes me as a classic conservative bias: it's a disgust reflex to other people getting off. The idea of guys jerking off to porn women with big tits & ass just sickens other people.

Guys who get hooked on masturbation marathons, well, guys like that also smoke cannabis all day, play vidgames all day, and do other useless shit -- porn didn't make them that way, they were that way. The slippey-slope argument is always good tell of conservative bias here. "Before you know it, you're glued to the screen jerking off to weird stuff". That's exactly like saying smoking dope will inevitably lead to heroin junkiedom.

However, as any guy knows, you're a lot more focused if you don't spank the monkey constantly. That's not like having some disorder. It's common sense. Instead of lonely boredom leading to quick thrills, go out, meet people and do something. Stop the overreaction.

Post: #86

(12-22-2014 04:55 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  wilight-zone-a-stop-at-willoughby1-620x350.jpg[/img]

Back in the early '60's, the TV show The Twilight Zone ran an episode entitled, "A Stop At Willoughby." In the episode, we witness a career-man in distress. Bullied on one hand by a bellicose boss at work, he comes home to a cold, emotionless wife. Caught in a world that degrades both the workplace and the home, he fantasizes about a world past: one in which people are valued as individuals, surrounded by supportive familial relations and a healthy respect for the work a man does.

This is on you tube, I'm going to watch it now.

Post: #87

(12-22-2014 04:55 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  This isn't the whole picture of why men are turning to pornography over real-life interaction with women; economics explains the other part. The workplace doesn't provide a "fascinating day" for men, but a day filled with mindless drudgery and meaningless commitments and accomplishments. There is no "liveliness" in the day-to-day grind for the average male worker, just a parade of mind-numbing tasks justified by sickening corporate homages to "taking care of their employees" and "making the world a better place." The charade of the modern workplace is further buttressed by the fact that people don't get promoted for their competence, but for their ability to project their image of conformance with corporate policy and their ability to please the tastes of their managers.

As far as work is concerned - it was usually a place that did favor all those characteristics you mentioned. Meritocracy it is only to a degree. Also when talking with older men who have experienced the corporate world 40 years ago or longer I came to the conclusion, that the greater reason why work has become a more severe drudgery is the fact that unemployment is much higher. Whenever I talked with guys who experienced full employment and companies fighting for any decent employee, then those workers usually were treated with a greater care and respect. That however started to deteriorate in the 1970s - also partly due to the fact of internal job market pressure created by women.

Edit - just watched that Twilight Episode during workout.

Don't agree with your take on the show. The 1950s-60s were the best decades that any country had enjoyed in a multitude of factors.

The guy in the episode is a high level marketing executive who just lost a 3 mio. $ account just because he entrusted that account to a young kid from college, who immediately betrayed him by going to the competition with the account. He correctly stated that his boss would have likely fired him for this if he did not have any sway over some of his clients already.
He lives a solid upper-middle-class lifestyle and makes the usual error of confiding in his wife and telling her all his fears. She is cold - yes, and pushes him on, but he has no frame in the relationship. Also there is no danger of her divorcing him. Apart from that she is intelligent, ambitious, slim and attractive - she cut her hair and is a bitch, but there are far worse wives.
So he fantasizes about a town set in the 1880s (!). I remind you that except for some few small farm and business owners, life until the 1930s was no picnic. Even in the US most people worked grueling jobs in mines, factories, factory towns, fields etc. Often their kids started work while being 8-12 - in such child-friendly places like factories and mines.

So his fantasizing is just nuts. And what does that even mean: "Where a man can live life to the fullest." ? Fuck that guy - he had a melt-down because his boss said something about push push? Then he stormed out of the office because he had 3 calls on the line?
He should have gotten himself a mistress, poured himself 2 drinks when starting work and just gone on with life. Even in the 1960s the majority of people had worse lives than him and he was just a schmuck for feeling the pressure. His boss is not even so bad. I've had bosses who were complete psychopaths screaming at everyone - and I wish they would have said something semi-decent like the Twilight-boss - no they were spewing crap and madness and everyone had to listen to that shit.

Post: #88

The reason why feminists in general are against porn is simple when we use Porter's Five Forces. We can do this as sex appeal is a form of marketing and as we know sex appeal and advertising are often interchangeable.


1.1 Threat of new entrants: Organised and politicised women will attempt to socially shun men who pair up with younger women - especially when these women are still single in their 30s and 40s having made poor lifestyle choices in their late-teens and 20s which often involved the rejection of the very men whom they are trying to shame.


1.2 Threat of substitute products or services: Pornography, prostitution and the various products and services of the 'sex industry' are substitutes to serial monogamy which modern women advocate whereby women temporarily grant a sex licence until a better licensee is found.

1.3 Bargaining power of customers (buyers): This is the area of a man's life where feminists attempt to weaken. Watch how men are funnelled into risky, serial monogamous relationships with the spectre of no-fault divorce hanging over every marital dispute like the sword of Damocles. This is often with a women with a more prolific sexual history than he, with children already and who is obese. She said, 'take it or leave it' and his weak bargaining power compelled him to take it. I would say that the use of porn is due to a man perceiving that he has low bargaining power.

1.4 Bargaining power of suppliers: feminism has not changed the ancient notion that men are the buyers of sex and women the suppliers. Like a diamond cartel, tradition and most feminists want selling restricted to keep the price high. 1.2 above has the effect on the value of sex like fake labels have on the prices of designer clothes.

1.5 Intensity of competitive rivalry: this is why women will shame others for being too competitive in the sexual market place but congratulate those who contractually isolate a higher status man after a long selection process of heightened competition with other men.

Post: #89

Women have always been against porn. Sex is the only power women have over men. Of course they want to ban it.

Ironically withholding sexual attention is part of my game sometimes. It's an aspect of bratty little sister game that I love to use. You playfully tease them but never make it sexual. But at the same time you express sexual interest at other women. You basically talk to them as if they were one of your guy friends. It drives them nuts. Then when you give them even a little scrap of sexual attention they eat it up.

One of my exes used to have a subscription to Playboy back in the day. Evidently she would use that as reference to what is sexy and what guys want. I'm telling you it's the only power they have. If you resist it and make it like you're above it and she's not good enough for you she'll raise the stakes and basically throw porn star sex your way in an attempt to get you hooked and control you. Crazy talk I know.

Post: #90

(12-22-2014 04:55 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  It would mean getting up at seven and cooking him eggs and bacon and toast and coffee and dawdling about in my nightgown and curlers after he'd left for work to wash up the dirty plates and make the bed, and then when he came home after a lively, fascinating day he'd expect a big dinner, and I'd spend the even washing up, even more dirty plates till I fell into bed, utterly exhausted.

Wow...they say that unintended irony is the hallmark of the uninformed. The above quote has to be a testament to how naive women were regarding the realities of working life.

The idea that 40 years of commuting in traffic, meeting unreasonable deadlines, dealing with office politics and bad bosses, and being chained to all of that because you have people at home depending on your ability to suck it up... essentially being a pack-horse/work-mule for four decades made for "lively and fascinating" days is kind of hilarious in terms of its naiveté.

A couple of years ago, there was a survey that revealed who the unhappiest people in America were: Unmarried women, over the age of 40, in a professional position.

Sounds like women are discovering what men have always known about how "lively and fascinating" work is.

Post: #91

The reward for getting up early, cooking breakfast and cleaning up is a lifetime of love and respect from your family. You pay into it when you're young and able ...and reap the rewards in your old age when everyone takes care of YOU. That's how it's been since the dawn of time in every culture around the world.

Post: #92

Porn isn't good for a marriage, but it's merely a reflection of the state of marriage.

50 Shades of Grey pretty much describes how women-centric societies will never work:

Post: #93

Here is a thought crime: what changes would have to be made in order to end the 'Sexodus?'

divorce court reform? child support/alimony reform? get rid of no-fault divorce? the women have to change as well? how do they need to change?

Post: #94

http://www.amazon.com/Libido-Dominandi-L...587314657/

This is a great book that talks about how pornography and sexual liberation in general is used as a form of political control. Pornography is not about freedom. It's about turning men into slaves to their sexual desire by constantly shoving sex in their faces. Pornography is the equivalent for men of fat women being able to gorge on cheeseburgers and chocolate cake on demand. The damage is done to individuals first, and the damage then spreads secondarily through society as a whole. The guy who says he is entirely unaffected by his pornography use, even if he is sincere (although he is probably mistaken), is missing the point. There are also regular hardcore drug users who don't seem to get addicted. However, no one would argue that regular consumption of hardcore drugs is a healthy lifestyle, for either individuals or society as a whole. Pornography is a mental drug that taps into man's most powerful and primal urge, artificially sating it first, and then increasing it, and thus robbing man of his natural sexual drive. It's introducing a hypersexual stimulus into the male brain that clouds and confuses not only his perception of normal sexuality, but of reality as a whole and his place in it as man.

If you don't want to read the book, at least check out this interview with the author. Even just the first 5 minutes are enlightening.

Post: #95

(12-22-2014 04:55 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  American women came to see marriage, family life and domesticity as the ultimate form of oppression. The mindset is best summed up by Sylvia Plath in The Bell Jar:

It would mean getting up at seven and cooking him eggs and bacon and toast and coffee and dawdling about in my nightgown and curlers after he'd left for work to wash up the dirty plates and make the bed, and then when he came home after a lively, fascinating day he'd expect a big dinner, and I'd spend the even washing up, even more dirty plates till I fell into bed, utterly exhausted.

Let me de-hamsterlate this one:

• too lazy to get up at seven
• doesn't know how to fry a sunny-side up egg or fry bacon, this is simply too much to ask of her
• popping toast in the toaster would be work
• ruins the coffee, tastes disgusting and burnt
• doesn't know how to put plates in the dishwasher
• making a bed is onerous because it might actually take 15 seconds of her precious time
• too lazy to even bother getting dressed in the morning
• she botched dinner again because she just didn't give a shit
• oh noes!!! all the pots and pans got scorched, now she has to spend all evening scrubbing them!!1111
• utterly exhausted from doing fuck-all all day, refuses sex
  

Post: #96

(12-22-2014 01:10 AM)Suits Wrote:  This isn't to say that I don't make effort to get laid.

I have a twice daily need to get off. The amount of investment needed to get this much sex from a female just isn't worth it to me.

I have a female come over about once a week for a night of sex. For me, this is enough real sex. The porn is just a stop gate for the times in between, because having a girl for each night of the week or giving up control over my own schedule and guilt-free strange by acquiring a girlfriend just doesn't cut it.

Rather, I have a lifestyle that draws a reasonable number of girls into my life. I select the correct candidates, have them over for dinner and a movie and game them in the comfort of my home.

When I feel like it, I also will go out to clubs or talk to women I meet as a matter of course in public, usually because they genuinely interested me and I had a real reason to talk to them. Not because they happened to have a vagina attached to a nice pair of legs and a optimized child-bearing chest.

But unless I'm comfortable dealing with the constant distraction of sexual desire on a daily basis, I think porn will be a part of my life for some time.

I used to have to get off two times a day as well. A lot of guys think they do too. Thy think they have a "high libido". The reality is that getting off twice a day isn't necessary and you likely feel that way because you've been getting off twice a day for so long that you have conditioned your body to crave those orgasms twice daily.

I used to jerk it to porn twice a day but then I realized how much it was messing with me. I realize people react differently but I think it's in your best interest to take a step back and observe what you're actually doing.

(12-22-2014 06:19 AM)Maciano Wrote:  All nonsense. There's nothing wrong with guys masturbating. It strikes me as a classic conservative bias: it's a disgust reflex to other people getting off. The idea of guys jerking off to porn women with big tits & ass just sickens other people.

Guys who get hooked on masturbation marathons, well, guys like that also smoke cannabis all day, play vidgames all day, and do other useless shit -- porn didn't make them that way, they were that way. The slippey-slope argument is always good tell of conservative bias here. "Before you know it, you're glued to the screen jerking off to weird stuff". That's exactly like saying smoking dope will inevitably lead to heroin junkiedom.

However, as any guy knows, you're a lot more focused if you don't spank the monkey constantly. That's not like having some disorder. It's common sense. Instead of lonely boredom leading to quick thrills, go out, meet people and do something. Stop the overreaction.

Cool, good for you. You got lucky. Me, I started looking at some weird shit. I just tweeted:

"Theres a lot of bizarre porn out there, but if it exists that means sadly some guy out there is pleasuring himself to it."

We know there are porn niches like trannys, gangbangs, tentacle shit etc. These aren't fetishes that we would consider normal but yet these niches exist. If they exist that means that millions of men are watching these types of videos.

How did they get there? By starting out with 'normal' porn.

Sure, the 'gateway' drug argument doesn't apply to everyone, but it does to many people, especially for something like porn that has powerful effects on the brain.

Post: #97

(12-22-2014 10:31 AM)scorpion Wrote:  http://www.amazon.com/Libido-Dominandi-L...587314657/

This is a great book that talks about how pornography and sexual liberation in general is used as a form of political control. Pornography is not about freedom. It's about turning men into slaves to their sexual desire by constantly shoving sex in their faces. Pornography is the equivalent for men of fat women being able to gorge on cheeseburgers and chocolate cake on demand. The damage is done to individuals first, and the damage then spreads secondarily through society as a whole. The guy who says he is entirely unaffected by his pornography use, even if he is sincere (although he is probably mistaken), is missing the point. There are also regular hardcore drug users who don't seem to get addicted. However, no one would argue that regular consumption of hardcore drugs is a healthy lifestyle, for either individuals or society as a whole. Pornography is a mental drug that taps into man's most powerful and primal urge, artificially sating it first, and then increasing it, and thus robbing man of his natural sexual drive. It's introducing a hypersexual stimulus into the male brain that clouds and confuses not only his perception of normal sexuality, but of reality as a whole and his place in it as man.

If you don't want to read the book, at least check out this interview with the author. Even just the first 5 minutes are enlightening.

Thank you for posting this scorpion. This is exactly the concept I was driving at in my other posts in this thread. I'm about halfway through the interview and will check out the book as well.

Spoiler: there is a great anecdote about the tactics the Israelis used when invading Gaza. Basically when the Isaelis invaded Gaza and took over the TV stations they started broadcasting porn on loop. He quips that according to our modern equivalency of porn = sexual liberation = free speech = freedom then the Isaraelis liberated the Palestinians, no?

edit: Link to an article about above:

http://reason.com/archives/2002/04/03/po...-palestine

Post: #98

(12-22-2014 10:31 AM)scorpion Wrote:  http://www.amazon.com/Libido-Dominandi-L...587314657/

This is a great book that talks about how pornography and sexual liberation in general is used as a form of political control. Pornography is not about freedom. It's about turning men into slaves to their sexual desire by constantly shoving sex in their faces. Pornography is the equivalent for men of fat women being able to gorge on cheeseburgers and chocolate cake on demand. The damage is done to individuals first, and the damage then spreads secondarily through society as a whole. The guy who says he is entirely unaffected by his pornography use, even if he is sincere (although he is probably mistaken), is missing the point. There are also regular hardcore drug users who don't seem to get addicted. However, no one would argue that regular consumption of hardcore drugs is a healthy lifestyle, for either individuals or society as a whole. Pornography is a mental drug that taps into man's most powerful and primal urge, artificially sating it first, and then increasing it, and thus robbing man of his natural sexual drive. It's introducing a hypersexual stimulus into the male brain that clouds and confuses not only his perception of normal sexuality, but of reality as a whole and his place in it as man.

If you don't want to read the book, at least check out this interview with the author. Even just the first 5 minutes are enlightening.

It's about turning men into slaves to their sexual desire by constantly shoving sex in their faces.

I don't doubt this is true, but as I said a few posts back (go here) modern Western society is about that too. Heels, bras, long hair, lipstick, advertisements and more are in our faces 24/7.

As I said, it's easier to not turn on porn than it is to avoid these things in society every day, esp. when you're a young guy, always ready to go.

If there was any period of my life I felt "assaulted" by sex in my face it was springtime on a college campus, when the girls would wear almost nothing. I was so distracted (euphemism) I could barely concentrate.

And on top of that, I was getting sex regularly from my girlfriend, plus the extra-curricular occasional hook-up. I could not imagine how difficult it would have been to have been surrounded by hottie nublies if I had been celibate.

Meanwhile, a zillion naked women are screwing on XHamster and RedTube right this moment and I feel a lot less assaulted. In fact, I'm here, not there. If this was in college I'd be sitting in the Quad girl-watching, not posting in a forum.

Porn is not a problem per se. It's a symptom of a deeper problem in Western society, where women get to say "I can show all I want but you can't react." The "reaction" of a lot of men is to turn to porn since most women are not attainable. Things were more balanced 50 years ago when women had some sense of modesty.

Post: #99

(12-22-2014 02:14 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Porn is not a problem per se. It's a symptom of a deeper problem in Western society, where women get to say "I can show all I want but you can't react."

A perfect display of power and control.

"I know how bad you want it, but you're not allowed to display (much less act on) any of that desire until I give you permission."

Post: #100

They have the causation backwards - the quality of women forces men not to get married, and therefore drives them to porn.