Post: #26

(12-06-2014 03:40 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  I imagine NorCal as a hippier, more granola and smaller town version of SoCal. Is this accurate?

MDMA is probably the biggest hookup drug by the way Shima

SoCal and NorCal are like apples and oranges, they are both in the same state, but completely different, from the natural geography, to the people, and culture. But yes, it is way more hippy, granola, and small town vibes, but yet it's not comparable to small town U.S.A., basically anywhere else in the country.

People here are very liberal when it comes to sex and drugs, just about everyone I meets either drinks like a fish, smokes weed like a chimney (OG), trips on psychadelics, or does a lot of party drugs. Like I said molly is popular here, I think it's pretty ironic that at the most popular local music venue, the security are nazis about smoking weed, but half the people will bust out a small bag of white powder and dip their pinkies in it without any attempt to be slick.

Personally I am not really down with drugs outside of alcohol and marijuana with the occasional shroom trip thrown in for good measure. I have sworn off party girls who do coke and molly, but it's just so common here, that I'd lose out on a lot of notches if I didn't bend that rule. Recent experiences just reinforce that these girls are okay for a pump and dump or FWB, but no way worth any kind of serious relationship with mental and emotional investment.

Anyway, how else I'd round out describing it here? Lot's of homeless transients, some "want-to-be thug" locals and transplants, lots of drugs of all kinds, liberal and progressive politics, lots of people into "polyamourous relationships", a lot of organic farming and organic lifestyles, lots of feminist mentality and the slutty "female empowerment" mindset, hipsters, chicks with septum nose rings, many yoga hippy types, lots of EDM shows, and festivals in the sumer time, profound natural beauty with forests, mountains, rivers, and beaches.

Post: #27

(12-06-2014 01:59 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  I know I'll have a so-so time dealing with her long term(cough, need fresh and different pussy). I never intended on being stationary like this until older age and it made me bitter at first.

Am I the only one that thinks for an LTR to work (have kids with her) that it is practically inevitable that sex appeal wanes.

I think you need passions in common to make it last and re-spark things.

Whether that is music, an outdoor activity whatever... she is going to become your roommate/friend at some point. To be beyond that you need shared interests you participate in and get excited about together on a consistent almost daily basis.

If all you have is physical attraction and decent conversation you're fucked from the start, that won't last.

That is the same as saying you are going 100% clown mode to keep her entertained until the sun sets.

Guys make fun of the guys that say: "My wife is my best friend."

Guess what? The guys that think being best friends with your wife is bullshit... in my opinion have the thousand yard stare and have complaints about their LTR bitches all the time the most.

Who seems happiest? In my experience if they aren't complete schlubs, the guys that say their wife is their best friend and truly mean it because they are always having a great time with their wife seem the happiest. They have tons in common and are always planning new things to do together.

Post: #28

Right on Travesty444.

Legally and pragmatically a wife is a business partner. You better pick someone who has the same vision for a family (your business) as you do.

In terms of the topic at hand - fear of abandonment is what drives a lot of women. They're afraid they're going to end up dying alone and begin eaten by their cats. The Plan B guy makes perfect sense - even if they never act on it. It allows them to take more risks in their current relationship because they know they have options. I think a lot of flakes are due to this as well. A girl is either in a relationship but unsteady in it or single and not ready to commit so she goes out and proves to herself that she could land a guy if she wanted.

Plan B guys are a reality but not necessarily a threat to your relationship. In some sense they could make your relationship stronger because they'll allow a girl to take more risks with you knowing that she could find someone else if you leave her. That said I'd never want a woman I was dating to be spending time alone with any of those guys or be in regular contact.

Post: #29

(12-06-2014 01:59 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Many of you already know my situation with of a baby on the way. Babymom practically sees an aura around me and is dutiful like a soldier. She' showing signs of being a reliable partner, but our initial and typical relationship woes dampened the vibe for me and I know I'll have a so-so time dealing with her long term(cough, need fresh and different pussy). I never intended on being stationary like this until older age and it made me bitter at first.

I want to make it loud and clear that I'm not under illusion by any woman and I see all of them unmasked. You can't ever cry these days over the possibility of some chick you're bonded to fucking other people, so if our arrangement means I can still fuck new, hot women in the future, she can distract herself with pussy, or other dick, for all I care.

When you pull this off, write a book.

How to Have your Cake and Eat it Too.

WIA

Post: #30

Ya'll talking about spinning 10 plates and are surprised when women do it too.

Post: #31

(12-06-2014 06:19 PM)aphelion Wrote:  Ya'll talking about spinning 10 plates and are surprised when women do it too.

Who you think we learned it from?

A lot of game/pickup resembles what women tell each other on how to deal with men.

Y'all don't hear me though.

WIA

Post: #32

(12-06-2014 03:34 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Not to mention there is a certain dynamic to the culture here that is unique, I'm in the "emerald triangle" which has one of the largest concentrations of large scale ganja growers in the world. There are tons of baller dudes in their late twenties and thirties with more money than they know what to do with, and with a shortage of hot women in the area, there are tons of "grow hoes", which are basically just hot gold diggers who shack up with rich dudes who are defacto sugar daddies and pay for all the bitches shit. This creates a climate where these grow hoe chicks think that their pussy is as good as gold and that they can do nothing but suck and fuck and live the good life, having everything paid for. Not only this, but it drives their hypergamic instincts to find a bigger and bigger fish, maybe their current guy takes them out to nice restaurants, pays for all their drinks, etc., but the next bigger baller down the way will buy them Louie Vutton handbags and take them on international vacations.

It's funny that the hippy/raver/marijuana/mdma drug culture opposes this materialism in rhetoric but at the same time it creates a de facto exaggeration of it at the same time.

Post: #33

(12-06-2014 06:19 PM)aphelion Wrote:  Ya'll talking about spinning 10 plates and are surprised when women do it too.

There's quite a big difference, and its exactly the same reason why girls who sleep with a lot of men are shamed & called sluts but guys who sleep with a lot of girls are celebrated and called alpha...

it's because women are just receptacles: they do not have to learn skills, have talents, or (in reality) even look good to have a harem of orbiters thirsting after them. Men, on the other hand, MUST have copious amounts of skills (people-skills, trade-skills, etc), earn decent money, & have gone through lots of (figurative) births-and-rebirths in order to even get one women, let alone more than one woman.

What this means is that I think men on the whole give up spinning plates in marriage to provide for the wife, children & family, while women keep spinning plates. Thus men and women view marriage completely and utterly unequally from the perspective costs, i.e. what the partner gives up (spinning plates in order to provide for a family).

Post: #34

(12-06-2014 05:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 01:59 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Many of you already know my situation with of a baby on the way. Babymom practically sees an aura around me and is dutiful like a soldier. She' showing signs of being a reliable partner, but our initial and typical relationship woes dampened the vibe for me and I know I'll have a so-so time dealing with her long term(cough, need fresh and different pussy). I never intended on being stationary like this until older age and it made me bitter at first.

I want to make it loud and clear that I'm not under illusion by any woman and I see all of them unmasked. You can't ever cry these days over the possibility of some chick you're bonded to fucking other people, so if our arrangement means I can still fuck new, hot women in the future, she can distract herself with pussy, or other dick, for all I care.

When you pull this off, write a book.

How to Have your Cake and Eat it Too.

WIA

LOL

You and Travesty made some insightful posts

Let me put it out there also that her and I get along really well now. I don't know how I fell into good luck like this with a chick, but it's VERY good to have a woman that's ultra sprung on you. She has my back and I get to make the decisions still. Yea, no illusions that getting to this point was like dog training in a way.

It's important to note that a big part of this luck was ended up with a smart babymama vs. the average one. If she wasn't bright as she was, there would be serious trouble.

Travesty; it fortunately works out for us since she's intelligent and prefers a mellow lifestyle herself. We're big on watching nature shows, parks, large dog breeds and books.

At first I was like, "damn you bitch you did this on purpose"
Now I'm like, "Hey babe let's watch that show about lions then talk more about the types of people we're attracted to"

Post: #35

On the surface, it's always cool to have a lady friend that worships the ground you walk on, but I speak from experience when I tell ya that shit gets real

Make no mistake about it - adding a baby to that equation will change the dynamic. True, there are no guarantees but do you want to consciously go down this road with your soon to be BM?

In the end it's your call but...

In a matter of months, the both of you will be parents to a bouncing baby. Many times for women this major event not only changes their bodies but how they view themselves ('I'm a mommy now')

Point being - what she agrees to today may not be what she agrees to tomorrow. You give her credit for being 'smart" but these women are emotionally driven perhaps even more so as she takes on new motherhood.

Besides, ask yourself do you really want your 6 month old in her crib 10 feet away from mommy getting busy with a stranger?

Post: #36

(12-06-2014 01:40 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 01:17 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If you're dating a hot chick, she might not even have a conscious Plan B.

The second the relationship runs into trouble (i.e. she gets bored, or some bird brain idea gets into her head - undoubtedly from Media or her hating ass friends) , there are more than enough dudes waiting on the sidelines to put in their bid. (and some of them already have chicks of their own.)

A common trick for a girl, even if she isn't planning on cheating imminently, is to insinuate that she's single to guys she is primally attracted to; and then just keep them stringing along until they fall off the reservation, only to be replaced by the next one ad infinitum.

This creates not only a constant plan-b but also the validation and attention her child-like brain requires.

Very true. Women are definitely exploiting two desires constantly and those are attention and false feelings of safety in guaranteeing a physical response to their whims.

It's paramount to them that a beta provider of decent quality is there to step to, the second the slightest incident with their current main guy doesn't go their way, AND preferably, at least one of those plan B's be closer to alpha status then their current main guy, or exhibits the alpha traits their current main guy doesn't posses.

Post: #37

(12-06-2014 06:38 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 06:19 PM)aphelion Wrote:  Ya'll talking about spinning 10 plates and are surprised when women do it too.

Who you think we learned it from?

A lot of game/pickup resembles what women tell each other on how to deal with men.

Y'all don't hear me though.

WIA

Thus, exactly why women HATE sites like ROK and RVF. They know it's like reading into a parallel universe to the core values of their game.

Post: #38

(12-06-2014 07:29 PM)monster Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 03:34 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Not to mention there is a certain dynamic to the culture here that is unique, I'm in the "emerald triangle" which has one of the largest concentrations of large scale ganja growers in the world. There are tons of baller dudes in their late twenties and thirties with more money than they know what to do with, and with a shortage of hot women in the area, there are tons of "grow hoes", which are basically just hot gold diggers who shack up with rich dudes who are defacto sugar daddies and pay for all the bitches shit. This creates a climate where these grow hoe chicks think that their pussy is as good as gold and that they can do nothing but suck and fuck and live the good life, having everything paid for. Not only this, but it drives their hypergamic instincts to find a bigger and bigger fish, maybe their current guy takes them out to nice restaurants, pays for all their drinks, etc., but the next bigger baller down the way will buy them Louie Vutton handbags and take them on international vacations.

It's funny that the hippy/raver/marijuana/mdma drug culture opposes this materialism in rhetoric but at the same time it creates a de facto exaggeration of it at the same time.

What's funny is if you lived in a state where this is still illegal, most of these "ballers" when they get out of the dope game, wind up with some exceptionally trashy broads and complete barf hounds. When their run with women is over, it's really over bad.

Post: #39

So how should a man in the know take advantage of this?

Something I do when a chick I'm into has a serious boyfriend is to just massively disqualify myself but then continue to game as usual. The idea is to not be the sure thing plan B but instead someone she'd have to work for in order to get. I stumbled across this accidentally a few years ago and it actually netted me the two hottest girls I've slept with to date but it's by no means a sure thing. Seems to work best on very attractive chicks in my extended social circle. Both times I had a brief flirtatious interaction with a girl that ended with me telling her she wasn't my type and six months or so later they reinitiated contact and gave me a superficial reason to come over to their place.

Post: #40

(12-06-2014 10:40 PM)Ensam Wrote:  So how should a man in the know take advantage of this?

Personally for me - and I think for a lot of others - is to internalize that just because she's got a bf doesn't mean much because you know she's either got a Plan B or looking for a Plan B too.

So be Plan B. #BePlanB

Post: #41

(12-06-2014 10:33 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  What's funny is if you lived in a state where this is still illegal, most of these "ballers" when they get out of the dope game, wind up with some exceptionally trashy broads and complete barf hounds. When their run with women is over, it's really over bad.

Yep, and as a corollary the hotties they were once with wind up with provider husbands.

Post: #42

Your area sounds horrible og nor call. Hippy town? I would relocate as fast as I could

Post: #43

Even alpha celebrities are not exempt. Chris Brown just announced he broke up with his gf when he discovered her Plan B is Drake.

Post: #44

Thanks a lot monster, now I have all these people after my ass

Post: #45

I don't think it's unfair. Everyone has the right to security. If she gets dumped, that's her plan B.

I'd say:

1. Never depend on a women. Or never depend on anything else (job, boss, country...). Always be able to restart your life after her.

2. Never become a Plan B. You can spot that easily. (an ex recontacting you, or a girl you know for some time that "suddenly" become interested).

Post: #46

See this is the prime reason why I will always continue to game chicks, even in relationships. I've always known chicks have at least 1+ Plan Bs waiting in the woods.

Post: #47

Wow!.....i did experience this myself with my ex french wife (GF at the time) who literally chased me even when she found out i smashed a ex girlfriend while i was already sharing a flat together. Ok, two years later i, yes I agreed to marry her, i become more and more serious about her and fateful. Then She admits to me that she had just recently cheated out of the blue and i did nothing......how stupid on my part! It was the beginning beta phase. however, Shit went south big time when i started showing real beta shit. moving to the 5th year into my marriage became a real fucking disaster! I found out the bitch had a plan B nerd fuck writing her love poems, Which resulted in me slapping the shit out of her and going downtown in handcuffs. What happened? THREE MONTHS RESTRAINNING ODER to stay away until "tribunal grand instance de Paris" to see a judge. fortunately, I got off because they found out that wasnt ever violent but that i really loved the slut and only wanted to return to her and my very young daughter.....BELIEVE THAT! If i had the knowledge that i do today i would has dumped her ass cold and replaced her. Which was so dam easy for me at the time.....very disturbing shit to hear especially for cats that eventually prefer to have a LTR at somepoint. While writing this i realize i would have way more alpha and not back slid unto betadom if i hadnt had a child with her!.....
The big question that should be asked is HOW the fuck do one effectively combat this drive in most women?
Shit sounds depressing hearing at the stats!.... what are decent caring man left to do? Either say fuck it never ever take any bitch serious and avoid the lure of LTR or be ready to violently crack a hypergamous whore upside her head??????

Post: #48

The idea of preventing women cheating is simply unrealistic and redundant.

Quoting an old post from WIA, it doesn't matter if you are the top alpha or not, due to this very simple fact:

"Do you know people who slept with women of a better man? Someone more alpha/higher value than the guy she's cheating with?"

I bet a lot of members here have done it themselves.

Women don't think in terms of who's the more alpha. Sometimes they just cheat, and they will cheat. Feeling lonely? Misunderstood? Bored? Her cat dies? Etc.

There's no point of wasting mental energy in whether or not your girl will cheat, if she is Western/American. However I assure you those sweet Vietnamese and Philippines girls cheat too. I'm friend with a few of them 8s Asian. In the end the "alpha" guys dont care. Sure, she may take a strange dick every now and then, but in the end she still "loves" and will never leave the alpha no matter what. That's the theme for movies/romances where nice guys trying in vain to rescue a girl from the hold of an asshole.

I guess it depends on the perspective.

When I started out, although I admired Roosh greatly I didn't want a nomadic lifestyle with constant partner change. I wanted to find a girlfriend and be able to keep her.

Now I understand why Roosh does what he does. Do we even have a choice? She will walk eventually, so you'd better walk first.

Post: #49

(02-10-2015 02:16 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  However I assure you those sweet Vietnamese and Philippines girls cheat too. I'm friend with a few of them 8s Asian. In the end the "alpha" guys dont care. Sure, she may take a strange dick every now and then, but in the end she still "loves" and will never leave the alpha no matter what. That's the theme for movies/romances where nice guys trying in vain to rescue a girl from the hold of an asshole.

I guess it depends on the perspective

I guess the question is do YOU care if she takes strange dick every now and then as long as she "still loves you" and comes back to you?

For me if I'm only casual with a chick then it's fair game, but if I'm in a serious committed relationship then hell no, I simply refuse to allow infidelity. Now that doesn't mean that a girl won't still cheat in an extremely discreet way that I will never find out, if I don't find out, then it doesn't mean it didn't happen, but we are not omniscient knowing everything that occurs at every moment.

However, if your chick cheats on you and you know about it and you let it slide, you are really opening up a can of worms, and it can be a slippery slope, you could be setting yourself up for a greater deal of disrespect, infidelity, and worst case being cuckolded.

Still in certain pockets of the U.S. I could understand how some guys may look the other way when it comes to transgressions of their girls if they are a seriously legit 8+ because women like that have such rare beauty and hold such sexual power, that they may rarely be obtained by certain men. That said, I guess it comes down to a question of what you value more, your self respect, or getting a hot piece of consistent ass.

Post: #50

(02-10-2015 02:45 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  However, if your chick cheats on you and you know about it and you let it slide, you are really opening up a can of worms, and it can be a slippery slope, you could be setting yourself up for a greater deal of disrespect, infidelity, and worst case being cuckolded.

Still in certain pockets of the U.S. I could understand how some guys may look the other way when it comes to transgressions of their girls if they are a seriously legit 8+ because women like that have such rare beauty and hold such sexual power, that they may rarely be obtained by certain men. That said, I guess it comes down to a question of what you value more, your self respect, or getting a hot piece of consistent ass.

What "self-respect" is there in the pursuit of game?

When I was blue-pill, I believed in honesty, honor, fidelity and courage. Now that I'm red-pill, I'm prepared to do anything to achieve the results. If you are honest with yourself, the most successful players are also very Machiavellian and practical (I don't use "amoral" here because it's banal)

On this forum we boast about sleeping with other people's wives/girlfriend. Where's your self-respect and the respect for another man, no matter how pathetic he might be, in that? My grand uncle was alpha as fuck and had boat load of women but he would behead me if I "steal" another's girl. We lie to girls. What self-respect is there in lying, even to such malevolent creatures of Americunts? We play with emotions (jealous game, dread game, fake commitment game, spinning plates) We cheat. Self-respect in a broad general sense is a luxury for the men with truly unlimited options because times have changed.

I am not denouncing any of the above, in fact I would happily do any of them and have done some. Yet I know that if hell exists I would be there. Along with all women on earth.

And all the sluts. And the drugs. Hell it's cool.

When my dark-tetrad mentor told me game is a long spiral road to hell, I thought he was being melodramatic...