Post: #76

(11-19-2014 02:16 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  However, as I wrote in my ensuing article about Bill Cosby, “the tension in the air was remarkably thick” as Cosby immediately took control of our interview by treating me to a fairly hostile 14-minute discourse on why he distrusted the press. (You can find the article online.) Cosby’s attitude was especially bewildering because he usually got good press. He was for years one of the most beloved performers in show business.

“Tell me what you want to ask and we’ll see how it goes,” he told me, speaking slowly and measuring his words. “If it doesn’t go well, I’ll give you a piece of fruit. I’ll give you an apple or pear and you can be on your way.”

My questions apparently passed muster, although as I wrote, Cosby “controls the interview by stretching each answer into a lengthy soliloquy.”

The interview was so unusual and uncomfortable that it seeped into the article I wrote. It’s hard to know how else I could have written it. The substance of what he said took a back seat to the atmosphere Cosby created between us. He was a very scary guy.

Cosby still acts like that whenever he is on The Tonight Show now. Fallon can't even get a proper question out. Cosby dictates the entire exchange, with Fallon tripping over himself to placate to Cosby's every last whim. Some people have magnetic, powerful, intimidating personalities. Cosby is one of them.

Post: #77

Quote:They might not have a personal motive. But they are playing into a trend. That trend is to go back and look at men's behavior from 30-40 years ago when morals were different, compare it with today's morality, and then call it criminal.

In the UK, this happened with both Jonathan King and Jimmy Savile. Do I think Cosby did something wrong? It's likely, but cops and prosecutors love nothing more than nabbing celebrities -- and if they dismissed the cases as flimsy, my guess is they were.

Oh I agree, the mob of SJW's is definitely foaming at the mouth going after him, and also you're right about the trend. They did the same thing to Woody Allen, bringing back accusations from decades ago. At least he had the balls to respond though. I just try to maintain an intellectual honesty. One thing I don't like is when blacks will defend any criminal just because he's black, no matter how overwhelming the evidence or how some women will believe anything a woman says, just because they're women, or republicans will defend someone just because they're republican, etc.

So just because I'm a right wing madman and can't stand these broads(even the wording and terminology they use when telling their stories is so cheesy and cliched it makes me want to barf) it isn't enough of a reason for me to believe Cosby didn't drug these women and have sex with them when they were unconscious. Yeah he wasn't convicted or anything, but 15 different accusers is a lot(most of whom came forward long before it became trendy.) I mean OJ wasn't convicted either...but I still think he did it.

Post: #78

(11-19-2014 02:50 PM)Badamson Wrote:  So just because I'm a right wing madman and can't stand these broads(even the wording and terminology they use when telling their stories is so cheesy and cliched it makes me want to barf) it isn't enough of a reason for me to believe Cosby didn't drug these women and have sex with them when they were unconscious. Yeah he wasn't convicted or anything, but 15 different accusers is a lot(most of whom came forward long before it became trendy.) I mean OJ wasn't convicted either...but I still think he did it.

Think of how many women you were fuck buddies with who wanted a relationship with you and you said no. Remember how mad each one of those women were?

That is what Cosby is dealing with. Noting more than a bunch of angry sloots who wanted to marry him and he promptly pumped and dumped then.

Post: #79

(11-19-2014 02:59 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:50 PM)Badamson Wrote:  So just because I'm a right wing madman and can't stand these broads(even the wording and terminology they use when telling their stories is so cheesy and cliched it makes me want to barf) it isn't enough of a reason for me to believe Cosby didn't drug these women and have sex with them when they were unconscious. Yeah he wasn't convicted or anything, but 15 different accusers is a lot(most of whom came forward long before it became trendy.) I mean OJ wasn't convicted either...but I still think he did it.

Think of how many women you were fuck buddies with who wanted a relationship with you and you said no. Remember how mad each one of those women were?

That is what Cosby is dealing with. Noting more than a bunch of angry sloots who wanted to marry him and he promptly pumped and dumped then.

Some i did'nt even fuck yet brought out the wrath.

Post: #80

(11-19-2014 02:59 PM)frenchie Wrote:  Think of how many women you were fuck buddies with who wanted a relationship with you and you said no. Remember how mad each one of those women were?

That is what Cosby is dealing with. Noting more than a bunch of angry sloots who wanted to marry him and he promptly pumped and dumped then.

These were young teenage actresses and models. I doubt any of these chicks were looking to get married. I used to live in Hollywood and 18 year old girls there in the entertainment industry are not looking for their dream man or to have serious relationships. They are fairly detached due to the transient nature of their profession and tend to have relationships of convenience(how people will date their co-stars and then breakup when filming stops and then date the director of their next movie). A girl who is scorned typically will do the most damage immediately after the dump, when they are the most angry, not decades after the fact. Are there girls you've banged that are still keying your car 20 years later? even after they moved on and have their own families? More likely is that they were naive and afraid that by saying anything he would destroy their careers.

Post: #81

I haven't followed this story too closely, but from the bits and pieces I've read I am skeptical of the accusers stories.

It sounds like these women kept on hanging out with Cosby after each "rape" occurrence, only to be raped again. This is one of those logical questions that men are shamed from asking - if it was really rape, why did you go back?

Furthermore, why didn't you not go to the police immediately?

Here's a thought experiment. Say you are an adult (18+) and some homo drugged you and anally raped you. How do you respond? After you beat the shit if him (which these girls can't do) you go to the police ( which these girls can do). And certainly you would NEVER associate with this dude again, much less fly across the country to meet up with him and stay in a hotel he pays for.

Post: #82

I wouldn't trust a single thing Janice Dickinson says. About anything.

Post: #83

(11-19-2014 03:24 PM)Badamson Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:59 PM)frenchie Wrote:  Think of how many women you were fuck buddies with who wanted a relationship with you and you said no. Remember how mad each one of those women were?

That is what Cosby is dealing with. Noting more than a bunch of angry sloots who wanted to marry him and he promptly pumped and dumped then.

These were young teenage actresses and models. I doubt any of these chicks were looking to get married. I used to live in Hollywood and 18 year old girls there in the entertainment industry are not looking for their dream man or to have serious relationships. They are fairly detached due to the transient nature of their profession and tend to have relationships of convenience(how people will date their co-stars and then breakup when filming stops and then date the director of their next movie). A girl who is scorned typically will do the most damage immediately after the dump, when they are the most angry, not decades after the fact. Are there girls you've banged that are still keying your car 20 years later? even after they moved on and have their own families? More likely is that they were naive and afraid that by saying anything he would destroy their careers.

Alpha widows and their exemplar.

   

Post: #84

(11-19-2014 03:44 PM)Dusty Wrote:  I haven't followed this story too closely, but from the bits and pieces I've read I am skeptical of the accusers stories.

It sounds like these women kept on hanging out with Cosby after each "rape" occurrence, only to be raped again. This is one of those logical questions that men are shamed from asking - if it was really rape, why did you go back?

Because young women are really dumb.

Quote:Here's a thought experiment. Say you are an adult (18+) and some homo drugged you and anally raped you. How do you respond? After you beat the shit if him (which these girls can't do) you go to the police ( which these girls can do). And certainly you would NEVER associate with this dude again, much less fly across the country to meet up with him and stay in a hotel he pays for.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of men wouldn't go to the police, because they wouldn't want to admit to anyone that they got butt raped, as they would be so embarrassed. Many men get away with raping men in prison for this reason. Though on your second point I would agree. I personally would try to embark on a "Deliverance" style revenge quest, but I'm an aging hipster douchebag, not a dumb young girl.

Post: #85

Heartiste has posted stories of senior citizen ladies who still pine for the alpha she fucked when she was 19.

Bill Clinton ruined Monica Lewinsky. She'll never be able to be with a regular guy after sucking top alpha cock.

Many a woman has been ruined by alpha cock. These broads are cray cray and they don't think in ways we can comprehend.

From the story that DOBA posted, it sounds like Cosby is super alpha. In addition to being rich and famous and the alpha status he gets from that he is funny and charming as we know. DOBA's story teaches us that behind the scenes he can be so intimidating as to be scary.

A guy like that doesn't need to use Rufies to get laid.

A guy like that though will create some vindictive alpha widows.

Post: #86

(11-19-2014 04:03 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Bill Clinton ruined Monica Lewinsky. She'll never be able to be with a regular guy after sucking top alpha cock.

Perhaps not, but it's worth noting that Monica blames everyone BUT Bill Clinton for what happened. Typically those are women that truly believe they have something with the man and would continue to defend him. I've dated girls that are still pining after me 10 years later(not the best of the bunch to be sure.) None of them have ever claimed I drugged them and had sex with them while they were unconscious, though...(especially not 15 of them who mostly didn't know each other yet somehow report almost the exact same story.)

Post: #87

(11-19-2014 03:24 PM)Badamson Wrote:  These were young teenage actresses and models. I doubt any of these chicks were looking to get married. I used to live in Hollywood and 18 year old girls there in the entertainment industry are not looking for their dream man or to have serious relationships. They are fairly detached due to the transient nature of their profession and tend to have relationships of convenience(how people will date their co-stars and then breakup when filming stops and then date the director of their next movie).

You lived in Hollywood in the '70s?

Quote:A girl who is scorned typically will do the most damage immediately after the dump, when they are the most angry, not decades after the fact. Are there girls you've banged that are still keying your car 20 years later? even after they moved on and have their own families? More likely is that they were naive and afraid that by saying anything he would destroy their careers.

What is up with this argument that Cosby was silencing these women with his amazing status?

We're talking about a black standup comedian raping a 19-year-old white girl in the 1960s. Yes, I'm sure there was some massive cover-up.

Some of the allegations stem from when he was a random student at Temple on a track scholarship.

Just ol' Bill, got out of the Navy with his GED and just started rapin'. Through the heart of the Civil Rights Movement, there he was, just a track athlete letting off some steam with nights of roofies and sexual assault.

For the next two decades, he'd hand out date rape drugs like Halloween candy, taking advantage of dozens of women. And no one said a thing! In the meantime, he earned his Master's and Doctorate and built a successful career in standup and TV.

We all know black comedians and actors had so much power back in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s, so obviously that's why these women waited 20 years to come forward, and not because their careers are now over and they want a settlement or some attention.

Post: #88

(11-19-2014 04:17 PM)Enigma Wrote:  You lived in Hollywood in the '70s?

No. I lived there about 20 years ago though, and I saw plenty of what went on.

Quote:What is up with this argument that Cosby was silencing these women with his amazing status?


We're talking about a black standup comedian raping a 19-year-old white girl in the 1960s. Yes, I'm sure there was some massive cover-up.

The stigma of rape in the 1960s and how people dealt with were much different than now. Also if you're going to use the racial reasoning that because he was black that he couldn't have gotten away with it, then one could easily point out that statistically young black men are much more likely to rape(and get away with it) than any other demographic. I don't think race is the least bit relevant in these accusations, especially considering that the people making them are yuppy liberals allied with the PC race hustling crowd and not race realists and paleoconservatives, they pre-date Cosby's own controversial racial statements, and the same group of people went after Woody Allen, a jewish white liberal.

Most of these accusations are from the 80's when he was at the height of his popularity. Just because he was black doesn't mean he wasn't powerful or intimidating. OJ had good lawyers, too. It isn't unusual for sexual predators to continue doing what they're doing over a long period of time. What would be odd is if there were no incidences from when he was younger. Yet clearly there was a pattern. It's not as if he was saying "you better not talk" and silencing them. It's more like they didn't want to end up in the tabloids or be demonized or blacklisted. They went to their lawyers, agents and the in some cases the authorities and didn't get anywhere.

Yes, though. There has been a massive cover up of sex abuse in the entertainment industry that is now coming out. A lot of it involved drugging people and then doing things to them.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ho...led-748375
http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/10/29/core...haim-book/

Post: #89

^ WTF are you talking about man? Black men are more likely to rape girls? Okay, let's be racist for a second and accept that. [It's actually ridiculous, btw]

Black men are more likely to rape girls, white girls, in the 60's and get away with it? Whatever kool-aid you're drinking , mate, it's some effective shit.

Post: #90

(11-19-2014 05:35 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  ^ WTF are you talking about man? Black men are more likely to rape girls? Okay, let's be racist for a second and accept that. [It's actually ridiculous, btw]

Statistically, those are the facts. It's called empiricism. It doesn't have any emotion or ideology attached to it. "Facts and statistics" aren't racist.

http://takimag.com/article/for_whom_the_..._jim_goad/
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2173#full

Post: #91

Right and there are also "facts and statistics" about how 1/4 women are raped and how women make 77% of what men do. How are statistics collected. Who is performing the study? Is proper mathematical method followed? Are studies double blind? What is the sample size? Is the sample random/fair? Is data self reported? What is the definition of rape?

It's very easy to fudge the results of a study and show it as fact. If you study the math and know a bit about statistics, you can get to the truth.

Is it also that more black/minority men are raping women, or that in the American culture more white women especially are crying rape after having sex with a minority? All things to ponder.

Post: #92

(11-19-2014 05:00 PM)Badamson Wrote:  No. I lived there about 20 years ago though, and I saw plenty of what went on.

Yes, and you realize that women's attitudes have changed dramatically in the last 30 to 50 years, right?

Quote:The stigma of rape in the 1960s and how people dealt with were much different than now.

Also if you're going to use the racial reasoning that because he was black that he couldn't have gotten away with it, then one could easily point out that statistically young black men are much more likely to rape(and get away with it) than any other demographic.

You completely lost me here, bud. You said, and I quote: "More likely is that they were naive and afraid that by saying anything he would destroy their careers". The relevance is that the women who claimed he raped them in the '60s wouldn't have been afraid of that, 1. Because he wasn't nearly the same massive success back then, especially not as an unknown college student, and 2. The media is not going to demonize a 19-year-old white girl who was raped by a 32-year-old black man in 1969.

Quote:I don't think race is the least bit relevant in these accusations, especially considering that the people making them are yuppy liberals allied with the PC race hustling crowd and not race realists and paleoconservatives, they pre-date Cosby's own controversial racial statements, and the same group of people went after Woody Allen, a jewish white liberal.

I'm talking about the 1960s. As in, black people were fighting just to use the same facilities as whites. It has nothing to do with "yuppy liberals" and whatever else you just said.

Quote:Most of these accusations are from the 80's when he was at the height of his popularity.

Where are you getting this information from? The latest accusation I've seen stems from 1984, the same year The Cosby Show came out. Considering that's his biggest success and the work he's most known for, it actually seems like the rapes stopped before the height of his career.

With accusation dating back to the early '60s, it seems safe to believe that the bulk of the incidents occurred in the 60s and 70s.

Quote:Just because he was black doesn't mean he wasn't powerful or intimidating. OJ had good lawyers, too.

He wasn't powerful as a student at Temple, especially not compared to a faculty member.

How much power do you think a standup comedian not named Jerry Seinfeld actually has?

OJ had retired as one of the greatest running backs of all-time by the time his trial took place. And the trial was extremely public and public opinion was not in his favor. How is that analogous to a comedian in the early stages of his career raping someone and not even being charged in 40 years?

Quote:It isn't unusual for sexual predators to continue doing what they're doing over a long period of time. What would be odd is if there were no incidences from when he was younger. Yet clearly there was a pattern. It's not as if he was saying "you better not talk" and silencing them. It's more like they didn't want to end up in the tabloids or be demonized or blacklisted. They went to their lawyers, agents and the in some cases the authorities and didn't get anywhere.

Clearly there was a pattern to what? We don't have evidence of anything, other than loose accusations 20 years after the fact.

Post: #93

Quote:Clearly there was a pattern to what? We don't have evidence of anything, other than loose accusations 20 years after the fact.

Several of the accusations were from the early to mid-80s. The Lachele Covington incident was in 2000. There are over 15 women that have made similar accusations. If you or I touched one girl's boob we could be convicted based off of much less evidence than having 15 people come forward to testify.

Post: #94

^^^

Cosby was never criminally charged with anything. He was never civilly sued for anything.

I don't care if 1500 people accuse him of something. If there were a basis to it, there would be cases filed against him.

Cosby is a powerful, successful, respected man. These women are nobodies. He is a target for every guttersnipe out there.

Post: #95

Tom Leykis is talking about this now on his online radio show (6 p.m. US Eastern Time).

http://2633.live.streamtheworld.com:80/T...IS_SHOW_SC

Post: #96

(11-19-2014 06:08 PM)Badamson Wrote:  

Quote:Clearly there was a pattern to what? We don't have evidence of anything, other than loose accusations 20 years after the fact.

Several of the accusations were from the early to mid-80s. The Lachele Covington incident was in 2000. There are over 15 women that have made similar accusations. If you or I touched one girl's boob we could be convicted based off of much less evidence than having 15 people come forward to testify.

Is there any evidence to go along with the 15 accusations?

Post: #97

(11-19-2014 06:11 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  ^^^

Cosby was never criminally charged with anything. He was never civilly sued for anything.

I don't care if 1500 people accuse him of something. If there were a basis to it, there would be cases filed against him.

Cosby is a powerful, successful, respected man. These women are nobodies. He is a target for every guttersnipe out there.

Fair enough, but actually he was civilly sued and settled out of court. His lawyer even had to amend the statement about past allegations being discredited to exclude the one made by this girl, as it would have violated terms of the settlement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-settles-lawsuit/

Post: #98

Being a famous and powerful man only evens the odds against you in such cases of sexual assault, it grants you no extra privileges. Usually it just means that you will actually get a fair trial, that is it.

As we are seeing in the Cosby case, even with all that power he is dragged through the mud. There is no win for him here, because as a respected man his most valuable asset is his reputation. A man works to gain respect, and it takes just a tiny bit of attention whoring and vengeance from a spurned woman to bring it down. Such is society.

Him settling out of court means nothing. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose by having this go big in court. The woman has everything to gain by spending as much time as she possibly can in the limelight. And even if she loses in court, she is held up by SJW's as a victim of the system.

Women claim that "victims" do not go to court because of shame in such cases. But in these cases, attention is ALL they are looking for. Ofcourse "rape-rape" is real. It's unfortunate we had to come up with "Rape-rape" instead of just "rape" because people started discrediting the value of the word for attention. Men have everything to lose. A settlement is the action of a tired and exhausted man trying to save his family and reputation.

Post: #99

(11-19-2014 06:17 PM)Badamson Wrote:  Fair enough, but actually he was civilly sued and settled out of court. His lawyer even had to amend the statement about past allegations being discredited to exclude the one made by this girl, as it would have violated terms of the settlement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-settles-lawsuit/

Interesting that the article which you link states that he was already blackmailed once and the woman was convicted:

Quote:In 1997, the year his son Ennis was murdered, the long-married Cosby acknowledged a brief affair with the mother of Autumn Jackson, a young woman convicted of extorting him.

Post: #100

(11-19-2014 06:17 PM)Badamson Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 06:11 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  ^^^

Cosby was never criminally charged with anything. He was never civilly sued for anything.

I don't care if 1500 people accuse him of something. If there were a basis to it, there would be cases filed against him.

Cosby is a powerful, successful, respected man. These women are nobodies. He is a target for every guttersnipe out there.

Fair enough, but actually he was civilly sued and settled out of court. His lawyer even had to amend the statement about past allegations being discredited to exclude the one made by this girl, as it would have violated terms of the settlement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-settles-lawsuit/

This article said she went to the police a year later, but they didn't file charges.

I'm sure they didn't file charges because there was no evidence.

What possible evidence could she have brought to the civil trial then? Probably nothing but her big mouth.

A person like Cosby who makes his living off his reputation can not afford to have cray cray bitches leveling unfounded accusations against him - because there's enough "if there's smoke there's fire" people out there.

From a economic standpoint, there's an ROI to toss some money at the bitch to get her to STFU so he can still get work.