(11-14-2014 05:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'm just now seeing this. I cannot believe there are dudes that would white Knight for these bitches.

Well, I think it was a friend of hers, one of the cronies in her group. At least that's how it appears in the video.

But yeah, how you could be friends with a loudmouthed ratchet bitch like that is beyond me.

(11-12-2014 11:19 PM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  Found a better article about the aftermath of the incident. It turns out the guy was a bouncer coming off a 12-hour shift. He also plans on suing the city over his arrest.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...-1.2008463

The lawyer on the right holding the jacket and doing a fist with his other hand


Fucking Golden

Those lawyers must be going to church and thanking God for this case. They are going to blow up and get so much business from this. Also the fact that they've successfully defending a man against a woman claiming abuse puts them squarely in the "camp pro-male" department, a sorely unfulfilled need in today's world.

Good for them.

(11-14-2014 07:05 PM)Soberane Wrote:  Fucking Golden

This just won the internet for me today, saving, and now posted on FB.

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 04:57 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  What could this situation have turned into if there was conceal and carry?

You can't respond with deadly force to non-deadly force.

He'd be on his way to a long time in prison if he shot her.

WIA

The last thing you want to do when you're CCing is get into a confrontation like this, as in, not splitting and getting away from it. The last thing you want is one of these hoodrats noticing your pistol when you're slapping a ho, and grabbing it out of your waistband. Especially when the white knights jump up, get you disoriented and distracted, getting your hands away from where your pistol is. You'd make a stupid situation into an ugly and deadly situation really quick. I'd rather take a hit than let my hand stop covering my pistol side. If I really felt threatened for my life, the gun is already going to be employed.

I've got a sixth sense about idiots when I've got a gun on me. Don't ever want to have to pull it, and I'd rather have a stare down than a gun down. If a bitch like that insulted me, unprovoked, while I was carrying, I'd quickly assess who her friends were (and if it's some kind of setup for a robbery if I was being stupid and hadn't assessed that already), and isolate myeslf from all of them. If I was provoking stupid arguments while carrying, then, well, I'm an idiot. But I don't do that. I've seen the gypos do a similar setup in Europe (distraction with female, 2+ male thugs around the corner or close by for the beatdown), and do everything I can to keep myself from being an easy mark. Thankfully, only idiots try muscular, 6'1" men.

WIA,

She hit him with a stiletto heel to the ear/face from behind. He was bleeding. I think you can make a case that's deadly force:

"the ​apparently drunk straphanger, Shanique Campbell, poked fun at Pena’s jacket and his slight speech impediment before using her 6-inch stiletto as a weapon — hitting Pena behind the left ear and on his face."

No comment/opinion on the concealed carry aspect, but I'm thinking a competent attorney could convince me as a juror bleeding out your neck might be deadly.

I can't believe the cops had this video as evidence and he still had to spend four nights in jail, and post bail. If the roles were reversed would the woman have spent a single minute in a cell? Probably not. Just imagine if the camera wasn't there.

http://nypost.com/2014/11/13/man-whose-e...ne-before/

Quote:The man filmed slapping a woman in an early-morning NYC subway brawl has been cleared of all charges.

Jorge Pena, 25, was one of four people arrested after a fight erupted on the F train as it pulled into West 4th Street station around 5 a.m. Saturday morning.

Authorities determined that Pena acted in self defense after an allegedly drunk woman, Danay Howard, hit him with her stiletto, according to Gothamist. Howard was determined to be the aggressor, and is charged with felony assault and disorderly conduct.


In video of the incident, which has more than 4.9 million YouTube views, Howard can be heard verbally antagonizing Pena, making fun of his fur hat and telling him that his jacket "came out in 1990" before ultimately taking a swing at him.

Pena, who is the tall man in the 8-ball jacket, responded with an open-handed slap that sparked a brawl in the train car.

NBC New York reports:

Speaking to reporters Thursday, Pena broke down crying thinking about how other women -- including his girlfriend, mother and baby daughter -- must perceive him.
The 25-year-old said he was bleeding profusely after being attacked with a 6-inch high-heeled shoe and had to defend himself. Otherwise, he says, he would never have hit a woman -- or anyone else.
Pena initially faced misdemeanor assault charges and spent four nights in jail. He was released on $1,000 bail Tuesday, his lawyer, Cary London, told the New York Post. Police confirmed the charges against Pena were dropped, the paper reported.

"This time the system worked," London told the Post. "Thank God for smartphones because the DA’s office was able to have all of the information in front of them at an early stage to show that our client did nothing wrong and acted in self-defense."

Do we know anything about how this started? I've read somewhere that Jorge Pena and the clique of girls knew each other. But I can't tell.

Does anyone have the backstory on this? Or maybe there was some argument over something-or-other. I find it hard to believe they would just start dogging out some random dude on the subway.

If there hadn't been a smart phone those 3 bitches and the guy would have told a lot different story. That shit is scary.

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 04:57 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  What could this situation have turned into if there was conceal and carry?

You can't respond with deadly force to non-deadly force.

He'd be on his way to a long time in prison if he shot her.

WIA

You can't? Then what about ......

(11-14-2014 09:44 PM)Engineer Wrote:  WIA,

She hit him with a stiletto heel to the ear/face from behind. He was bleeding. I think you can make a case that's deadly force:

"the ​apparently drunk straphanger, Shanique Campbell, poked fun at Pena’s jacket and his slight speech impediment before using her 6-inch stiletto as a weapon — hitting Pena behind the left ear and on his face."

No comment/opinion on the concealed carry aspect, but I'm thinking a competent attorney could convince me as a juror bleeding out your neck might be deadly.

You don't want to be in a position to have to fight for your life legally, trying to justify your deadly use of force, if you could have ran away instead. Each state is a bit different, Like Florida and their stand your ground statutes (e.g Trayvon Martin case). If you conceal carry you have to make sure your life is in danger (a pipe, a knife, a bat, another gun, etc). A regular fight is not enough to protect you from an overzealous prosecutor.

Problem is that we all know a fist fight can lead to death as well as high heel shoes and carkeys in a bitches hands can put eyes out, etc. Is that enough to pull out a pistol? In most cases no, but different lawyers have different views and it depends upon the state as well.

Another issue that is rarely discussed is how the weight of these females affects fights and assualts nowadays. Back when I was a kid, even the worst black female bully was under 100 pounds. I remember the last fight she had before she got sent to Juvenile Penitentiary eventually. She tried to fight a guy who was playing football and running track, he knocked her ass out cold.

Fast forward to the 2000's and it is not impossible to see larger females beating the shit out of a scrawny young male, and beating him with fists like they were grown men. Not just black women do this. I have personally seen even large Mexican American and White girls do this as well. I have even seen 2 police officers have to restrain a big girl like she was a football player in handcuffs after a scrum. Our legal system to me, seems somewhat outdated in that regard, but I guess that is what the Juror system is for....

(11-17-2014 01:45 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Do we know anything about how this started? I've read somewhere that Jorge Pena and the clique of girls knew each other. But I can't tell.

I'll bet you're right. If so, my guess is they were at the club where he works. Is it a ratchet joint or upscale? They might have been trying to "lock down" the bouncer the wrong way, with negs and it escalated when he remained aloof. Just my theory.

Has this been posted already? http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...-1.2010252

The guy was a former ball player who pitched a 98 mph fastball in the minors before hurting his knee. That was a 98mph slap from the hand of god.

^^^Holy shit look at the size of his hands in that article. They are like tennis rackets. That bitch is lucky she didn't die when she got slapped. 98 mph is no joke, the average man can probably barely hit 55 mph.

(11-17-2014 09:22 PM)Switch Wrote:  ^^^Holy shit look at the size of his hands in that article. They are like tennis rackets. That bitch is lucky she didn't die when she got slapped. 98 mph is no joke, the average man can probably barely hit 55 mph.

A friend of mine can throw 90 accurately and he never even made it into the minor league system.

Can't link to it directly, but this image from the Daily News article is fantastic:

From the NYMAG Article:

Quote:His lawyer Joseph Indusi, of London Indusi LLP, decried the fact that his client spent days in jail on a $1,000 bail for a misdemeanor, while Howard, charged with felony assault, was released without bail.

This is because when the judges set the bail they only hear the charges and do not hear the situation or the facts of the case. The judge heard "large hispanic male hit a woman on subway" and set bail at $1000 on the misdemeanor while the same judge heard "woman involved in public violence" and the judge figured a man instigated it and released her without bail. Judges are theoretically supposed to be fair, without prejudice and here is a shining example of the exact opposite: biased and sexist.

(11-17-2014 11:33 PM)monster Wrote:  From the NYMAG Article:

Quote:His lawyer Joseph Indusi, of London Indusi LLP, decried the fact that his client spent days in jail on a $1,000 bail for a misdemeanor, while Howard, charged with felony assault, was released without bail.

The decision to release her without her having to post bail may or may not be due to the fact that she is female. When bail is being decided, the factors which go into consideration are whether the Defendant has a fixed address, fixed employment, any prior failures to appear, any prior record, severity of the present offense, and whether he can provide a valid I.D. Some people are complete idiots and don't know their address, don't know the name of the place where they work, and can't produce a valid I.D. I've therefore seen some people held without bond for some very minor cases and have seen people released on personal recognizance for some pretty seroous felonies. It's hard to say what happened here.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/21/woman-from-...ds-guilty/

The woman charged with felony assault for stabbing a man with her stiletto on a subway for wearing an ugly 8-ball jacket took a plea deal Thursday in Manhattan court.

Danay Howard, 21, copped to assault in the second degree and assault in the third degree for a wild brawl captured on cellphone video that broke out on an F train in Greenwich Village on Nov. 8, 2014.

“It is alleged that you struck the complaining witness in the head with a stiletto boot, causing that person to sustain a laceration, bleeding and substantial pain. … Are those charges true?” asked Justice Larry Stephen in Manhattan Supreme Court.

“Yes,” she answered.

If she completes one year of therapy, three days of community service and stays out of trouble for a year, she’ll be allowed to re-plead to a misdemeanor, prosecutors said.

Howard and a group of her girlfriends were allegedly taunting Jorge Pena for wearing the unfashionable leather coat.

“You got wack 8-ball jacket that came out in 1990,” Howard yelled at Pena, 25. “Get your money game up.”

Howard’s pal Shanique Campbell, 20, whacked him over the head with her purse. Then Howard pulled off her stiletto boot and hit him in the head.

The 6-foot-6 Pena turned around and smacked Howard across the face so hard he knocked her off her feet.

Another person on the train then jumped in and started punching Pena.

Pena was initially arrested and charged but the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office concluded he acted in self-defense and dismissed the case.

The misdemeanor assault and disorderly conduct case against Campbell is still pending.

Video of the melee was posted to YouTube and quickly went viral, racking up more than 4 million views.

^Paging forum lawyers.

Is this the pussy pass or could men who committed a similar assault expect a similar plea deal?

(05-24-2015 09:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  ^Paging forum lawyers.

Is this the pussy pass or could men who committed a similar assault expect a similar plea deal?

Of course not. Any man who attacks a woman first would be in prison.

In this case it is a victory that 8-ball did not land in the slammer. Without a recording this might have happened.

Just as in the case of this woman after she cut up a man with a glass:



She did not like a facebook message of his:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...Lloyd.html



Also "punished" with suspended sentences.

That was a good article Zel.

Quote:But, despite being equal understatements of justice, they differ on one crucial element - bias. While Stratford was likely given leniency for having a dependent child, in my opinion, Slater got off (from a much bloodier crime) simply because she's a woman.

Last month, Bianca Hendry from Middlesborough escaped jail - despite having a previous conviction for battery - after biting the tip off another club-goer’s finger in a dance floor confrontation over 'stares'.

Similarly, on Friday, Victoria Willis from Darlington walked free from court after stabbing her boyfriend with a kitchen knife at their home.
Her punishment? She was given a community order.

Earlier this year, Sheona Keith glassed a male clubber for simply smiling at her - but was spared jail by a judge. Instead, she was given a conditional discharge and ordered to pay £400 compensation by Judge Philip Wassall at Exeter Crown Court.

Had these been cases of men attacking women, then - quite rightly - they would've been given much stiffer penalties. But, in the same week where car insurance brokers are no longer able to discriminate against male drivers, the courts should be applying their policies equally, too.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...z3b4kkwni3

^

The men wouldn't be punished by the law, they would be dead. Punch a girl in public or be known as an abuser and you will have every red blooded male coming down on you in an instant. Glass a girl without provocation and you're looking at 6 months minimum in the hospital or the morgue.

The pussy pass exists but I am a firm believer in what comes around goes around. They may get away with it once, twice or more but one day they will do it to the wrong personsomeone and that person will end them, pure and simple. And the world will not care.