Post: #1

I recognize and understand why under normal circumstances it's the best / most alpha strategy to drag your feet, keep seeing the rest of your harem, etc. and make the girl bring up monogamy and ask for a committed relationship. Then you, as the "wild stallion", have to allow her to feel that she's "tamed" you. I get that it's a smart way to enter a relationship and sets the table for a healthy dynamic.

I'm at that point with a girl that I really like - Plus I've been ready for a relationship for a while now (I've been single or "mostly single" for about 4 years at this point. I miss having dinner and seeing artsy movies and going to theater - things that I've only been able to do about 1/10th as much as I'd like with no true girlfriend during this time).

But what if the girl is a bit more shy and submissive because of her upbringing (Eastern Europe until a teenager) and is more thoughtful and traditional than 95% of her American-born peers? What if she works literally 60 hours a week and you suspect that she's not got time to be dating anybody else/worry about playing "games", etc. She just told me last night after sex that she was a virgin until 20. She's hesitant to talk about or bring up "awkward" things, so I wonder if - even if I dragged my feet for another two months - she'd have the grit to bring up such a difficult subject (in her mind).

Would it be such a bad deal for me to initiate the discussion in such an instance? Would I risk losing my "frame" from the get-to? I'm 34 and I'm tired of fucking girls that I don't care about - at least for the time being. I've been doing it for 4 years and have probably over 150 notches (kinda lost count). I'm just burned out and want to rest and be happy with this chick.

Post: #2

I don't get why you are posting in the Newbie section if you have over 150 notches in 4 years. Want to break those results down?

Post: #3

(11-05-2014 10:39 AM)Atlantic Wrote:  I don't get why you are posting in the Newbie section if you have over 150 notches in 4 years. Want to break those results down?

I post in the Newbie section because I have never grasped the rules of this forum. I think I tried posting in the regular forum about 5 times and each one of my threads was moved and I got a PM admonishing me for something or other. Don't really have time to research all that so I just post in the Newbie forum now.

Post: #4

You go about traveling around the world?

Post: #5

Something tells me if she is this:

"a bit more shy and submissive because of her upbringing (Eastern Europe until a teenager) and is more thoughtful and traditional"

She is waiting on you to take the lead

Post: #6

Can you still breakdown those results though - night game, day game, online?

Post: #7

So you're burnt out, huh? Like this guy...

Post: #8

(11-05-2014 11:20 AM)Atlantic Wrote:  Can you still breakdown those results though - night game, day game, online?

I've gotten most of my bangs by using Match.com and Tinder and then dating "down".

I'd say that I'm a 7.5 or 8 as far as looks/fitness. What sets me apart is that I have about a 10 setup (cool loft condo downtown close to bars and restaurants, job that allows me to drop everything at a moment's notice to pursue tail, dog that's cool as shit, great wardrobe, had either a Lexus or a Mercedes during most of this time, etc.) so it's fairly easy for me to pick off girls who are 6.5 - 7.5 and bang them, add them to my harem, etc. I don't mind "dating down" because I'm a sucker for niche things like a girl who's got a tattoo sleeve or who has huge tits or who loves football or who is incredibly smart or who is originally from Europe and still has an accent or something. I''ve probably banged about 20-30 girls who were below a 6 (my normal threshold of acceptability) simply because they have some other niche or redeeming feature that gets my dick hard.

I've probably made out with 300 chicks, fooled around with 175 out of those 300, and had outright sex with 150 of them.

Breakdown of how I met that initial 300 would be:

200 - Match.com
50 - Tinder
15 - OKC
35 - day game / social circle

Edit to add: Probably 380 total dates of which I got around the 300 makeouts. I consider myself to be very strong on first dates and always go for a makeout even if the date didn't go particularly well.

An aside : I am a firm believer that night game is 100% dead and has been for some time. In this time where I've made out with approx. 300 chicks, I've probably gotten 20 phone numbers from night game, and of those 20 phone numbers exactly 0 of them turned into a legitimate date. I felt really gratified to see even Roosh come around on that recently. Night game is so fucking dead it's not even funny. Day game is the new night game and online game is the new day game.

Post: #9

(11-05-2014 12:31 PM)lycosidae Wrote:  So you're burnt out, huh? Like this guy...

I'm incredibly curious to see if I'll be able to stay faithful once I'm in my next long-term relationship. I'm a completely different person now than when I was in my last relationship. I've never cheated on anybody in my entire life, and I wonder if I'll be able to continue that now that I know "game" to some degree and realize what is possible.

I'm burned out now but I suspect that if I do get in a relationship that within 3-4 months (maybe less) I'll start to get bored.

Post: #10

(11-05-2014 11:18 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Something tells me if she is this:

"a bit more shy and submissive because of her upbringing (Eastern Europe until a teenager) and is more thoughtful and traditional"

She is waiting on you to take the lead

Okay, so how would I initiate this conversation in the most alpha and confident way possible?

I've envisioned it in my mind but can't find something that I feel confident with. I haven't taken her to a real dinner yet and we've now had 2 really intense sexual sessions in which I'm certain that I rocked her world. Great chemistry, etc. Maybe a dinner date where I broach the topic halfway through a bottle of wine and before the entrees? Or after the next rigorous sexual encounter when we're both sweaty and exhausted and she's got her head on my chest?

I don't know how to play this because I've always believed in the Roosh and Roissy theory that the chick should bring this shit up. But again - she's more submissive than American chicks and she may not do it.

Post: #11

(11-05-2014 10:23 AM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  Would it be such a bad deal for me to initiate the discussion in such an instance? Would I risk losing my "frame" from the get-to? I'm 34 and I'm tired of fucking girls that I don't care about - at least for the time being. I've been doing it for 4 years and have probably over 150 notches (kinda lost count). I'm just burned out and want to rest and be happy with this chick.

Has she said "I Love You"?

WIA

Post: #12

(11-05-2014 03:03 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Has she said "I Love You"?

WIA

No but I feel like that's something that would never come until after you're in the security of a defined relationship. There's no way she'd say "I love you" when she knows that I'm still dating other chicks.

Post: #13

(11-05-2014 03:13 PM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 03:03 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Has she said "I Love You"?

WIA

No but I feel like that's something that would never come until after you're in the security of a defined relationship. There's no way she'd say "I love you" when she knows that I'm still dating other chicks.

You've never had an LTR?

They come out quite quickly.

But my last FSU chick didn't say it to me until I said it to her.

If you've been seeing each other for 3-6 months. Say it first. If she doesn't respond to you by GUSHING, move on.

Once she responds in kind, you can get get into an LTR quite easily.

WIA

Post: #14

(11-05-2014 02:39 PM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 11:18 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Something tells me if she is this:

"a bit more shy and submissive because of her upbringing (Eastern Europe until a teenager) and is more thoughtful and traditional"

She is waiting on you to take the lead

Okay, so how would I initiate this conversation in the most alpha and confident way possible?

"I want to make you mine."

Said matter-of-factly, fingers under her chin with deep eye contact if during a platonic moment, or above her mid-fuck while you gently pin her arms above her head against the bed or wall.

Chances are she has been waiting for this...

This is about as basic "taking what I want" as it gets, even though out of context it looks like "chasing", heh.

Post: #15

That's very good and close to what I was looking for. But I'm not sure that's quite specific enough - that could just imply that I want to fuck her really intently again.

Ill think about the words some more but I like the tone and attitude you suggest.

Post: #16

Match has that many bitches?

Do these Match girls look just to hook up? Don't they pay so they can give you the I want a relationship not a hookup speech on the first date?

I think the Lexus was your key to success.

I'd get burned out after banging 100+ American 6s too.

Post: #17

I'll tell you how I did it with my girl.....

I like her a bunch for a bunch of reasons and really don't GAF if that sounds beta. We are a match and her attitude is perfect for a red pill aware man.


One night while fucking the hell out of her I asked her "who's pussy is this?" She said "yours, it's your pussy."
So I said "that's right it's my pussy now nobody else's"

A few weeks later while banging I told her "you are my girl now"

I think it's better if you decide if you are in the relationship. Don't let her decide for you.

Post: #18

^ I told a SNL the same exact thing fucking raw on my shag rug in my living room doggy-style a few months ago, then she flew back across the country to where she was randomly visiting from.

I don't think that helps solidify a relationship, she even yelled "fuck me like you own me" right after.

The sexual domination stuff is a casual affair these days with chicks.

Post: #19

(11-05-2014 10:23 AM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  I'm just burned out and want to rest and be happy with this chick.

I don't think this is the right motivation to "have a relationship." We all get tired but just bc she's the best of your "harem" doesn't mean it's meant to be and she's the one. On the other hand if you're just really happy being with her and her only I guess you could think about having some kind of relationship.

But let me ask you, why can't you do all those fun "relationshipy" type things with the different girls you are dating now? Does it have to be exclusive with this one girl? You might be with her awhile but then get bored and find out the "grass is always greener." I would think you could juggle at least 2-3 unless you're spending lots of time with a particular girl (in which case it already is sort of a relationship anyway (right?)).

If you want to have kids with this woman and make her your baby mama then maybe that's a different thing. Is that where you are now in your life and if so are you ready to have kids (or are you just tired of "the game")? I personally don't see the point of getting into a serious relationship and or getting married unless children are in the picture at some point.

Trust me if she's still somewhat EE in her mindset she's probably looking to have kids now, especially if she's early 20s. Maybe just casually bring that up if that's what this is all about. I remember one time a few years ago in Russia I said something to my main girl like "generally people should date for a long while, get to know each other before they have kids...and not just have them after a few months of getting to know one another" and she was like "What? Why not now??"

Post: #20

(11-05-2014 10:23 AM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  I'm just burned out and want to rest and be happy with this chick.

What in particular makes you not able to rest and be happy with this chick? Sounds like you've already decided to and are currently.

Do you need to feel like you have to ask her for commitment?

Why not just introduce her as your girl next time you two run into someone?

Do you not hang out with people socially? You want her to be your girl but you've never eaten a nice meal with her?

Something seems a bit off. Can you give us more detail?

Post: #21

Delete

Seems that this guy is a troll. Moving on.

Post: #22

(11-06-2014 07:54 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  Delete

Seems that this guy is a troll. Moving on.

What the hell about my post makes me seem like a "Troll"?

Jesus Tapdancing Christ - people throw around the "troll" adjective way too fucking much on here.