Post: #1

I’m in the process of changing my life. That includes a job and location change. After introspection, brainstorming, and goal setting, I came up with some ideas.


General goals
- I am in the best physical shape I can be – athletically, mentally, sexually, and spiritually.
- I am fearless, passionate, extroverted, with natural dominance, inspiring people around me.
- I have an impact on the lives of others and help them achieve their potential.
- Game-related: I want to obtain the skillset to cold approach the hottest girls in the prime of their sexual value, for sex or long term relationships. To increase my sex drive and testosterone levels.


The ideal job/lifestyle should meet some of the following criteria (the more the better):
- Has a “hub” or “gatekeeper” function. I meet interesting and exciting people, get invitations and access to parties, events, premium woman, opportunities.
- The job/life will create habits and systems that automatically propel me towards my goals.
- International environment, including international travel
- Makes money
- I improve with game.
- Independence
- Opportunities to set up passive income
- Opportunities to be location-independent: I would divide my time between living in a metropolis and a sunny/exotic place by the sea.


I came up with a list of things that sound interesting to me. These could be a main job, activities on the side, or experiences/insights:
- Journalism: writing for magazines, adventure, travel, lifestyle topics
- Luxury industry
- Writing novels
- Working in an organization/club that offers exclusive services for wealthy customers
- Organizing exclusive parties/events
- Airport and aviation
- Art trader
- Environmental protection
- Luxury hotels
- Fashion
- Design and architecture
- Strip clubs
- Porn/video production
- Real estate
- Import/export
- Coaching (lifestyle, languages, sports, expert knowledge...)
- Urbanism
- Advertising agency
- Graphics design
- Something like coolhunter.com
- Musician
- Making introductions/bringing together people


Skills that I want to learn, do more or improve upon in the following years
- Boxing/martial arts
- Photography
- Piano and bass playing
- Writing
- Cooking
- Public speaking
- Dancing
- Outdoor sports
- Yoga
- Learning new languages: Spanish
- Philosophical knowledge


I would be interested in reading about personal experiences or specific action steps you took that brought you closer to your desired lifestyle!

Maybe you work in one of these areas and can give an insider's perspective on how to get in as a lateral entrant.

Post: #2

I would avoid writing. Journalism can be a hard career to get into, especially without previous publication and/or some kind of degree. As for writing a book, from what I've been told you only do this full time with the backing of a publisher and you only get backing after you've been successfully published.

As for aviation, my first thought was that you're thinking about being a pilot, they make shit money. I was reading an article about how the career has just nose dived and the money and time it takes to get a license does not == the pay you get. This is commercial speaking.

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Post: #3

What skills do you currently have?

Post: #4

I understand what your gunning for, but I think that your post casts too wide a net to solicit responses that will be effective for you.

You should have just posted "I want the most ideal job and life available to anyone, anywhere".

Join the club. Better yet, search the forums.

To summarize, what you want from your job includes:

Mental and physical perfection
Time Freedom
Social Influence
Women and the ability to improve with women while you work.
Passive Income
International Travel, specifically international travel that allows you to both spend time in cosmopolitan cities and sunny beach areas.

No offense, but GMAFB.

Listen to me when I say this: before you will ever be successful, you have to step away from what seems almost like manic ideation of the perfect life.

1. First, separate all of the personal improvement goals out from work, including women and your social influence goals. Work on them in your free time. Having to meet these goals while searching for your income stream will severely limit your options. Focus more on what will best free up your time and location dependence.

2. Then, think about how you can provide something of real value to people. Once you come up with this, then figure out how to sell it to them in the form of a product. Selling products is the best way to free up your time from having to perform labor and to make yourself somewhat location independent. A product can also be your output in the form of a service. Tip: You may have to work in an industry for a few years before a good product idea comes to mind. Make sure that you don't pick something that will stop producing for you after a certain period of time, like when you get older.

3. Figure out how to make people trust you enough to buy your product.

4. Ask people to buy your product.

Others will respond to you more inspirationally, and have an opinion different from mine. I just think that you are too scattered right now, and not viewing this through the right lens.

Post: #5

(04-12-2011 07:35 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  I understand what your gunning for, but I think that your post casts too wide a net to solicit responses that will be effective for you.

You should have just posted "I want the most ideal job and life available to anyone, anywhere".

Join the club. Better yet, search the forums.

To summarize, what you want from your job includes:

Mental and physical perfection
Time Freedom
Social Influence
Women and the ability to improve with women while you work.
Passive Income
International Travel, specifically international travel that allows you to both spend time in cosmopolitan cities and sunny beach areas.

No offense, but GMAFB.

Listen to me when I say this: before you will ever be successful, you have to step away from what seems almost like manic ideation of the perfect life.

1. First, separate all of the personal improvement goals out from work, including women and your social influence goals. Work on them in your free time. Having to meet these goals while searching for your income stream will severely limit your options. Focus more on what will best free up your time and location dependence.

2. Then, think about how you can provide something of real value to people. Once you come up with this, then figure out how to sell it to them in the form of a product. Selling products is the best way to free up your time from having to perform labor and to make yourself somewhat location independent. A product can also be your output in the form of a service. Tip: You may have to work in an industry for a few years before a good product idea comes to mind. Make sure that you don't pick something that will stop producing for you after a certain period of time, like when you get older.

3. Figure out how to make people trust you enough to buy your product.

4. Ask people to buy your product.

Others will respond to you more inspirationally, and have an opinion different from mine. I just think that you are too scattered right now, and not viewing this through the right lens.

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say - your career/work will rarely if ever fall perfectly in line with what you want to do in life. Better to create one or several low maintenance businesses and then work on all those other self improvement things in the meantime. You can get a lot of damage done in all of those other areas once your time is freed up.

Post: #6

To you does an exciting job == a monetarily prolific job? Or are you simply looking for something that stimulates your mind and makes you happy?

I might be off base, but if you're like me (financially tight and with a very specific set of skills) I've always looked at jobs in the nightlife as something I'd like to do, even if for a little while. When I hit the West Coast this spring one of the first things I'm gonna do is try to find a job as a bartender. Its something I've never done, so to me that qualifies it as interesting. Its cash money in your pocket, never a bad thing. I've personally seen bartenders that love what they do, have a very wealthy social life because of their job (the knows everyone everywhere kind of people) and Ive seen some bartenders game on the job, well.

If I get my way I'll get that job, I wont be banking mad money any time soon, but if it works out it sounds like a life I'd like to live, for a little while at least.

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A culinary website for men

Post: #7

Chad -

"When I hit the West Coast this spring one of the first things I'm gonna do is try to find a job as a bartender."

Keep in mind that pretty much you and every 20 something male that ever wanted to move to the West Coast has had the plan to "find a job as a bartender."

Its almost more competitive to get a bartending job in coastal California than it is to be the head of a movie studio.

Post: #8

This reminds me if an episode of seinfeld. Costanza lost his job and was trying to.come up with job ideas.

Mlb commentator.
Commissioner
Talk show host

Funny stuff

I dont have any real input

Post: #9

(04-12-2011 06:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  What skills do you currently have?

Advanced science skills and lab experience. Analytical skills. Communication skills. Native-level proficiency in English and German. Teaching experience. International work experience.

(04-12-2011 07:35 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  No offense, but GMAFB.

Hah. I know. That list was just brainstorming. I’m not that delusional…

(04-12-2011 07:35 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  before you will ever be successful, you have to step away from what seems almost like manic ideation of the perfect life.
First, separate all of the personal improvement goals out from work, including women and your social influence goals. Work on them in your free time. Having to meet these goals while searching for your income stream will severely limit your options. Focus more on what will best free up your time and location dependence.

Very good point. It is easy to expect everything from a job. Looking for a holy grail just leads to not taking action and having escape dreams. To provide something of real value to people and sell a product makes a lot of sense to me.

(04-12-2011 07:35 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Others will respond to you more inspirationally, and have an opinion different from mine. I just think that you are too scattered right now, and not viewing this through the right lens.

I agree with you and YMG. Not being structured enough is a problem for me. I had a meeting with a career coach today, which helped, and I have some specific action steps to work on now.

(04-12-2011 08:09 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  To you does an exciting job == a monetarily prolific job? Or are you simply looking for something that stimulates your mind and makes you happy?

Ideally, I want to make enough money to afford the chosen lifestyle. And who doesn’t want to be happy and have a stimulated mind?

(04-12-2011 10:32 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  This reminds me if an episode of seinfeld. Costanza lost his job and was trying to.come up with job ideas. Mlb commentator. Commissioner. Talk show host. Funny stuff

Well, too much “the secret”. Ask believe, receive…

Post: #10

When I thought about it, being a successful model photographer might meet many of your requirements. For passive income, you can sell the rights to photos on a continuing basis. The rest speaks for itself.

Actually, there is a thread somewhere on the forums about it. Try a search, as I'm not sure where it is and I'm too lazy to find it.

Post: #11

I to am thinking about jobs that will provide the lifestyle i want.

Im thinking about getting my masters and other qualifications to land me a prime ESL University job (ones you make a career out of) abroad with 3-4 months off a year with good pay compared to cost of living. I could have my Masters and DELTA or other prime certs with 2 yrs experience in 4-5 yrs. Ill be around 30 then.

This would allow me to to travel ALOT and still be able to save money for the future. Freedom and time to do what i want is most important to me.

Post: #12

Why doesn't anyone want to do it the old-fashined way?
- get a college degree
- get a good-paying job, you would probably start at $50k and move up to $100k in 5-6 years
- don't be a big spender in the meantime, don't aim to impress girls with you new ride or fabulous penthouse that would take up all your income. live with roommates, party like in college.

After 5-6 years of this, you should have upwards of $100k saved up, perhaps $200k if you've invested it well. Then would be the time to set up an investment strategy that delivers 10% or so consistently.

Put 200k in this and it should easily provide 2k/mo. This should allow for a comfortable, if not luxury, travel lifestyle. If you want more, then you'd have to put in 5 or 10 years more of busting your ass.

I realize this may not be what you want to hear, but if you execute well, you have a very high chance of success. Other, riskier strategies like trying to become a writer or rock star or other routes you listed, will provide a lot more upside to those who successfully execute them, but they would be only 1% to 5% of those who try.

Post: #13

(04-13-2011 10:58 AM)K-man Wrote:  Why doesn't anyone want to do it the old-fashined way?
- get a college degree
- get a good-paying job, you would probably start at $50k and move up to $100k in 5-6 years
- don't be a big spender in the meantime, don't aim to impress girls with you new ride or fabulous penthouse that would take up all your income. live with roommates, party like in college.

After 5-6 years of this, you should have upwards of $100k saved up, perhaps $200k if you've invested it well. Then would be the time to set up an investment strategy that delivers 10% or so consistently.

Put 200k in this and it should easily provide 2k/mo. This should allow for a comfortable, if not luxury, travel lifestyle. If you want more, then you'd have to put in 5 or 10 years more of busting your ass.

You need more than a college degree these days to get a "good paying & good career growth/escalating job.

You need a great degree in something professional or from a very good school. Also more times than not you need to have connections on the inside or these good jobs in big firms/companies ect.

On top of that alot of guys want to have a family/kids which would mean having to get married or settled down around 30-35. Soo that leaves a small window to travel around the globe partying and fucking women. Its a dilemma that many guys face.

Post: #14

Quote:- get a good-paying job, you would probably start at $50k and move up to $100k in 5-6 years

This is a huge myth in our culture, in my opinion. The majority of jobs available to the majority of people, even with graduate degrees, will never, ever, ever pay $100,000 per year.

I consider it a myth perpetuated by entitlement, pop-culture, and economic misunderstanding.

Quote:Then would be the time to set up an investment strategy that delivers 10% or so consistently.

It doesn't exist.

Quote:Put 200k in this and it should easily provide 2k/mo.

Skimming 12% a year?! haha... no fucking way is that possible. Your only MAKING 10% per year in this fictional scenario, remember? And even when you are making that, you have to contend with inflation and fluctuations in return. And that would be if 10% was possible, consistently, which its not to 99% of people out there it is not.

It is well known that skimming 4% is considered the max with an expertly managed (no mistakes) portfolio. And I frankly don't believe that, because I believe that inflation is under-reported and that even making 7% is difficult to do consistently for almost everyone that isn't tied into the financial industry.

Post: #15

Hydro,
10-12% return may not be possible in North America, the "traditional way" with your $ sitting in an investment account at the bank earning next to nothing, but once you start looking elsewhere, then those figures are more easier achieved. Countries like Brasil for example offer very attractive returns on investments you make at the bank (in the 10-14% per annum for example). I'm going to be investigating that further myself. Also, depending on how risk tolerant a person is, they can get into other more lucrative yet with higher risk factors endeavours/vehicles (but if the person is smart and knows what they're doing, they can reduce risks to a minimum). I'm thinking about the futures and commodities as one such example. I did play with the futures markets back when I was in university and I did ok but got lazy and stopped. Now, as soon as I move back to BKK, with the free time I'll have during the day, I'll get back into studying hard again everything I can about futures and get back again into that game while my online biz keeps bringing in the $. Speaking of trading, in Phuket, I met a couple of guys day trading and were making good bank and that was the main source of their income that allowed them to travel indefinitely. That's another great alternative but you'd need to invest the time and money to learn as much as possible and get an excellent mentor, which don't come cheap, but worth every penny.
Additionally, if the OP wants a traditional job which can lead to a very rewarding and fullfilling career, he should read the awesome post YMG made a few days ago about career jumping and get a nice juicy job in Asia/SA.

Post: #16

Id be interested to learn about anything that you uncover, VP. Seriously, please PM me or post here.

However, I'm generally of the perspective that higher returns are always accompanied by higher risk that will eventually cancel out those returns, unless insider trading or some other type of privileged information is involved.

This concept of "risk adjusted" profit is especially relevant in any investment that is readily available and transparent to the public. Therefore, the higher returns are illusory. It gets especially bad if the investment is so risky that it is readily possible to lose all of your investment at any time.

In an open and transparent market, I don't think that there are any 'free' points that you get without giving up the equivalent in taking on risk. All profit, once "risk adjusted", is not as high returning as it first seems. Over a period of time, both the return and risk will average out accordingly to provide you with your real return. The tricky part is assessing the true risk, which is almost impossible to do outside of the derivatives market.

Real risk is based on all of the information available about the investment, inclusive of trivial shit that may affect it like weather patterns (ie: commodities, shipping costs and risk, etc), and so real risk is almost impossible to know, but I believe tends to be even higher than first expected with a lot of "high risk" investments.

Anytime an investor can consistently apply a statistical model to his investment decisions, I think that he is moving in the right direction. Its almost impossible/ meaningless to do with securities. I like derivatives investing, which is hard to learn, and things like commodity spread investing. But I wouldn't try to do the analysis on my own. I would probably subscribe to a service that does the statistical analysis for me.

Post: #17

(04-13-2011 11:05 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(04-13-2011 10:58 AM)K-man Wrote:  Why doesn't anyone want to do it the old-fashined way?
- get a college degree
- get a good-paying job, you would probably start at $50k and move up to $100k in 5-6 years
- don't be a big spender in the meantime, don't aim to impress girls with you new ride or fabulous penthouse that would take up all your income. live with roommates, party like in college.

After 5-6 years of this, you should have upwards of $100k saved up, perhaps $200k if you've invested it well. Then would be the time to set up an investment strategy that delivers 10% or so consistently.

Put 200k in this and it should easily provide 2k/mo. This should allow for a comfortable, if not luxury, travel lifestyle. If you want more, then you'd have to put in 5 or 10 years more of busting your ass.

You need more than a college degree these days to get a "good paying & good career growth/escalating job.

You need a great degree in something professional or from a very good school. Also more times than not you need to have connections on the inside or these good jobs in big firms/companies ect.

On top of that alot of guys want to have a family/kids which would mean having to get married or settled down around 30-35. Soo that leaves a small window to travel around the globe partying and fucking women. Its a dilemma that many guys face.

I would be impressed if someone making 100k per year saved up 100k or 200k in 5 or 6 years.

They would have to be living somewhere super cheap in America.

100k is barely scratching by in many places.

Post: #18

(04-12-2011 06:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  What skills do you currently have?

I'm pretty good at Whac-a-Mole. LOL

Post: #19

(04-12-2011 09:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Chad -

"When I hit the West Coast this spring one of the first things I'm gonna do is try to find a job as a bartender."

Keep in mind that pretty much you and every 20 something male that ever wanted to move to the West Coast has had the plan to "find a job as a bartender."

Its almost more competitive to get a bartending job in coastal California than it is to be the head of a movie studio.

I'm actually looking at Portland, to start. The idea of selling all my shit and moving to the SF bay area on less then 2 grand seemed a little to ballsy for me. My current job might be caving into the realization that I run basically everything and if I leave they're fucked, so I might be staying in the DC area after all.

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Post: #20

Get into sales. Get good at sales.

Be a man, be a salesman.

Post: #21

(04-13-2011 12:00 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I would be impressed if someone making 100k per year saved up 100k or 200k in 5 or 6 years.
They would have to be living somewhere super cheap in America.
100k is barely scratching by in many places.

I'll second that. 100k/year is a reasonable salary for experienced engineer here in Bay Area, but once you figure out the taxes (fed + CA + sales) and rent, you'll see it is not a pile of money. 50K a year here is poverty.

Post: #22

I called in sick today, why do I have the feeling I get points taken off me? FML. .

The way I see it, we are all in a boat. In this boat we have a sail. Unfortunately for some of us, there is no wind to push our sail, so we are stagnant. Once we realize that there is no wind, we either 1.) whine or 2.) we start rowing.

In this point in my life there is little wind so I am rowing. I got to automate this rowing movement or build a better sail.

I believe in what the political scientist Machiavelli stated, that one's success depends on two things: fortune and virtue. The extent to which fortune influences our lives is dependent upon our virtue. Think of fortune as the wind, and your is hardwork to capitalize on it is virtue. My point is that you have no control of your luck but you must be prepared as to when your luck changes (and you can't predict when or if it will ever happen).

Hope this helps.

Post: #23

Also the Bay Area is about connections. If you go to a local university there, it will be easier to tap to the alumni market or score from the school job listing database. Social circles run deep in the suburbs and they become their own clients after awhile. Have you considered re-educating yourself to build on your network?

I wouldn't live in the bay area on a bar tender salary. That is ludacris. As bay areans say, "this is not bum fuck egypt". hell to the no.

50k is doable in the Bay Area. How do you think recent grads do? Of course you will be living in places like Hayward, or farther east like Pittsburg. Hell you can make it on 20-30k if you don't mind blowing time on public transpo systems. Anything less than that, then it is the ghetto for you.. great place to score some cali trees though and munching on fat burgers.

Personally, I wouldn't live in the Bay Area because the cost economics is not there. Even as a professional, it is still too pricey and the urban development is so that you'd have to live in a certain way (car, condo, safeway lifestyle) so location arbitrage is hard to find. Also keep in mind, that competition is fierce! The best of the best go to the bay so be warned.

if you're into Asian and Latina girls, the bay is the yay!

Post: #24

(04-12-2011 07:35 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Listen to me when I say this: before you will ever be successful, you have to step away from what seems almost like manic ideation of the perfect life.

1. First, separate all of the personal improvement goals out from work, including women and your social influence goals. Work on them in your free time. Having to meet these goals while searching for your income stream will severely limit your options. Focus more on what will best free up your time and location dependence.

2. Then, think about how you can provide something of real value to people. Once you come up with this, then figure out how to sell it to them in the form of a product. Selling products is the best way to free up your time from having to perform labor and to make yourself somewhat location independent. A product can also be your output in the form of a service. Tip: You may have to work in an industry for a few years before a good product idea comes to mind. Make sure that you don't pick something that will stop producing for you after a certain period of time, like when you get older.

3. Figure out how to make people trust you enough to buy your product.

4. Ask people to buy your product.

Others will respond to you more inspirationally, and have an opinion different from mine. I just think that you are too scattered right now, and not viewing this through the right lens.

Great reply. To paraphrase:

1.) Work on your IL projects outside of your main job. Keep the fire alive.
2.) Surest way to make money is to provide value. Use the principle of value creation.
3 & 4) Work on your sales. Income must come from sales

IL = Independent Location

Post: #25

I'll throw this in as i'm bored out of my mind with a fever, so that making money could be conceptualized and assigned a process.

A typical circulation process of (capital) accumulation goes like this:

1.) Start with some money
2.) You go to into the market to buy labor, power, and means of production
3.) Then you put it to work with given technology and organizational form
4.) You create a commodity
5.) Which you then sell for the original money plus the profit
6.) You take part of the profit and you recapitalize it for expansion (for various interesting reason)

- David Harvey

I transcribed from here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2...ure=relmfu

cheers