RE: 1 year in Europe, France
Worst 5 cities for gaming (for me):
1.Stockholm
Forget about the stereotypes, Stockholm doesn't have as many blondes in day time as you would be led to believe. I don't have any problem with that are there brunettes even more beautiful but the girls are just overrated compared to eastern europe, I was disappointed coming from the Baltics and Montenegro. Lot of fat and just plain looking girls, but that wasn't the main reason I didn't like it there.
I didn't like Stockholm because it is an extremely bland city, people are just emotionless and do not carry any excitement, any day-time interaction will simply be trivial and not lead to anything interesting. Nothing interesting happens during the week (besides wednesday nights and thursday nights but i think i just happened to be lucky finding those places cause it was pretty quiet), some erasmus student parties happen at this time, Stureplan was ok on wednesday, thursday I went to an erasmus party. I didn't experience the weekend (well a saturday but I met my friend, didn't go out)..I think clubs close at 4 am. Girls were not giving any IOI during day time, they might have been when they were drunk but overall its a meh impression of the city.
The weather was shitty cloudy and rainy so I was pretty depressed there and I think I had a cold on my first days..I also met an ukrainian girl I banged in Warsaw which distracted me from getting my flag. Also, it was really too expensive for airbnb and even coming from Paris, I found Stockholm at tad too expensive.
However, in clubs in Stureplan, the top talent of Sweden goes out and man these girls are gorgeous, probable some of the best I've seen in my life... however it is a posh scene and approaching them or getting them away from their social circle is difficult as a soloer, better know some people or have a wing there. I did manage to dance and kiss some hotties but the girls had the attention span of children, coming to you to flirt, dance, kiss, then disappear or jump on another guy. The swedish girls are not disrespectful, just very friendly but that doesn't mean you will bang them.
The guys dress well, probably the best out of any countries I've been to, including Paris. You don't need to be the most stylish guy in Sweden but expect competition in Stureplan to be good. Lot of people call the guys beta but I would say these guys are doing fine with their girls and not repulsive like finnish men. As a foreigner or tourist expect to be treated like second class citizen, that's why I advise getting a wing or knowing people and not rolling solo.
Sodermalm is the district of hipsters with rock bars and pubs, It's probably a good place but I went to a pub with my friend and it was pretty tame.
Overall, the biggest problem about Stockholm is that the nightlife is boring on certain nights, people are bland during the day and the weather is shit. Some of the swedes can be pretty snobby too and its really too expensive to be enjoyable, i'm talking about a 25 dollar sandwich at the airport. Don't go there after coming from Eastern Europe. The average Swedish girl is disappointing but the 9 are 10 are better than anywhere else I've been so far.
Normally, by using Tinder I know hich kind of girls and what kind of success I would have with the girls..well in Stockholm I matched with 0 girls and only match with one girl in Sweden in Upssala.
Bars to go: Mme Marquise in Stureplan, Spy Bar and Solidaritet..good night life options.
2. Budva Montenegro
FUCK FUCK FUCK, why would I qualify Budva as a bad place for game? It has probably some of the hottest women in the world, many russians and serbians, beach setting, cheap alcohol, scenic scenery, marvelous weather...
The biggest problem with Budva is, its very difficult to know as a north american who is Serbian and who is russian...I would say as a tourist your focus should be russian women, because they are tourists too and coming here to have fun...but its not that easy to find where they gather, when they go out...
Serbians require probably the biggest amount of game there, these girls are usually going to Montenegro with friends and guy friends or boyfriends, they stay with their group and expect to be opened by serbian guys or montenegrin (montenegrin are known as the italian of serbia, romantic guys, tanned and muscular but a bit lazy). If a group of serbian women come with no guys, that's because they are looking for montenegrin men or serbian guys...basically guys from their own culture. The serbian and montenegrin girls who come to party in Montenegro have really bad english so don't expect them to have a natural conversation with a foreigner in english and therefore are difficult to game, that's reason number 1.
Reason number 2 well, serbs and montenegrin in Budva, a lot of the guys are indeed extremely tall, muscular and pretty alpha..more importantly the girls are also equally as tall, many taller than me (i'm 184 cm) even without heels.
I found the girls to be pretty alpha too in a way, there are not many petite girls like in Italy, France and even Russia has way more of these type of girls. Some of the facial features can get pretty masculine as they age up, they wear a lot of makeup and a lot of them dress like sluts or strippers/prostitutes in a city like Budva. A serbian guy told me its mostly the village girls who dress like that for their big night out but still. Their look can be very intimidating. I call these girls mafia type girls since they often have fake lips too and are hanging out with guys twice as big as me. Every guy would fear approaching these girls because of the guys that were surrounding them.
The biggest thing one will notice though is that many people go out in groups and get a table, then drink on the table with their friends, mixed groups or only female groups but it still make the approaches difficult in clubs and bars. I did get a few IOI from girls but they were so alpha that it was difficult to gauge how they would react in clubs. I did some approaches late at night in the street, got better results and surprisingly friendly ones, but still couldn't convert.
I found the cutest girls in Budva to be the russian ones, and the cutests serbs were also in Belgrade and not in Budva, but certainly the most beautiful ones I saw were in Budva but it is clear it doesn't represent the majority of the Serbian population, most girls were 8 9 10, I have never seen that outside Budva.
I didn't interact much with the serbs but its probably easier in Belgrade due to certainly a population that speaks better english in the capital. I don't think I will return there though I find their faces to be too masculine and they rarely have a petite frame. I think they are the most alpha women I encountered so far in all Europe.
Reason number 3, the clubs are not optimal for hooking up, most of them seems to be ran by mafia and have tables for bottle service, that includes the strip of bars on the beach. And most clubs and bars play turbofolk music which is again serbian nationalistic songs. Girls listening to this shit will want to be with their serbian friends and not be looking for foreign men (in general). Everyone therefore stand in the clubs in bars around table trying to look cool and not dancing, nobody seems to have fun until really late at night when they get drunker, then they start moving a little bit.
All these reasons for me made Budva a terrible place to ROLL SOLO and game, I had success with a wing there and once soloing but in a very particular bar that I will talk about. Otherwise I spent most of my time there too intimidated to game or opening girls who couldn't speak english. I did get my ass touched and smacked by one serbian girl in one of the turbofolk bars but I couldn't find her. Be aware that the bars on the strip close at 1 am and their sound is so loud that it is impossible to talk, they are not ideal all-night locations..then you are left with only 3 options for the rest of the night, Sparta, Trocadero and Top Hill.
Bars to not go solo (with a wing there might be potential): Caffe trocadero (turbofolk), Miami (edm music), and the one with a pirate ship
Clubs: Sparta (sausage fest, difficult to pull unless with wings, VIP area is where the hot girls are but good look accessing)
Trocadero club: Lot of hot girls, but always a turbofolk band playing, not idea but with the right girls might be possible...need a wing.
Top Hill: I didn't go there this year but its a kind of razzmatazz or new city gas, with a scene and a show. Lot of hot girls, fun place to party but difficult to pull by yourself, need wings..bottle service tables again.
The only bar to pull girls: Casper in old town if you are a bar pull type of girl who talks well, pulled a solo russian there and traveling_matt pulled one of the girls in the duo we approached.
3. Belgrade
Probably not the worst place for gaming, girls were not as pretty or as intimidating as in Budva but it has the same problems in term of clubbing. The splavs were empty when i was there, only one club was open (Freestyle) but I was soloing
Serb girl I talked to in the train was super cute and kind, overall serbs are nice people but I just wasn't in my element there. + it was 40 degrees and something and I had enough of this in Budapest so I had to go to the beach..the city felt empty because everyone was on the coast.
Bars: I don't remember them much but Freestyler is a splav with the bottle-service style, also there is a splav next to it that had mostly alternative and good music to dance rock and one for hip-hop but they seemed empty when I was there
4. Riga
Riga may be worse than Belgrade. I didn't think the girls was as good looking as in Estonia or Lithuania but I may be wrong and went to the wrong venues, I stayed mostly in old town and in backpackers bars.
However, Riga is overcrowded with drunk english, scots and irish just getting shitfaced everywhere and making every tourist look bad. A lot of older dudes look like sex tourists too which cause the local population to be very suspicious of your intentions.
I may have gone to the wrong venues but I found that most girls looked uninterested or not playful at all, turning away even good looking guys or exploiting them for cash (aka being a gold digger). I didn't try gaming much there so I decided to getfo because of the shitty atmosphere.
Bars: I don't remember them
5. Copenhagen
Copenhagen has problems similar to Stockholm, it is certainly less snobby and the girls are friendly, I didn't find them that bad at all but its just overall fucking grim...the city is a bit dull, it has a lot of fun bars to go out but i find difficult to pull a girl because everyone rides bikes...and good luck going out with danish friends, most of them will spend their time getting drunk instead of actually going after girls and will be detrimental to your game. It was also extremely cold when I was there and humid, I just found it wasn't a city for me..too hipsterish. I would give it a second chance though. Girls were giving IOI, in LA bar for exemple and everyone was way more pleasant than in Stockholm.
I had medium success on tinder, lot of match, some talks, and pulled a romanian from it. So it's better than Stockholm for that.
If I can rate the girl from more to less (Budva is special, I will rate the serbs montenegrins and russians there separately as it is clear serbs are not the same as in Belgrade which I will not comment on because I didn't see enough of them), i'm only commenting about the places I visited, not the russians in russia for exemple.
Boobs: Swedish, Montenegrin (fake) and Serbs (fake), Russians, Latvian, Danish
Ass: Serbs and Montenegrins, Swedish, Russians, Latvians, Danish
Face: Serbian and Montenegro, Danish, Swedish, Russians , Latvian
Model-Like body: Serb and Montenegrins, Danish, Russians, Latvians, Swedish (because of too many fatties or thick girls)
Porn star body: Serbs and Montenegrins, Swedish, Russians, Latvians, Danish
Friendliness: Danish, Russians, Swedish, Serb and Montenegrins, Latvians
More open to ONS with foreigner: Russian, Danish, Swedish, Serb and Montenegrins, Latvians
Girls giving a more sexual interaction around them (sensuality): Russians, Serbians and Montenegrins, Latvians, Swedish, Danish
Girls who dress the best: Serbians and Montenegrins, Russians, Danish, Swedish, Latvians
% of blondes and blue eyes: Latvians, Danish, Swedish, Russians, Serb and Montenegrins
Fattest girls: Swedish, Latvians, Russians, Serb and Montenegrins, Danish
Girls who get drunk the most: Danish, Swedish, Latvians, Serb and Montenegrins, Russians
Cockblocking of guys: Serbians and Montenegrins, Swedish, Latvians, Russians, Danish
Feminity: Russians, Serbian and Montenegrins, Swedish, Latvians, Danish
Sluttyness (more open to openly kiss and do dirty things in public): Russians, Swedish, Latvians, Danish, Serbians and Montenegros
Tallness: Serbians and Montenegros, Danish, Swedish, Latvians, Russians
English talent level: Swedish, Danish, Latvians, Russians, Serbs and Montenegrins
So for me its simple, for girls dressed like prostitutes with fucking hot high heels, tight dress or pants, hot faces, fake lips and fake everything, go to Budva for the serbians and Montenegrins. I really find the scandinavians faces to be better for the best girls there but the average of Serbians is just better even if I'm less attracted to their alpha intimidating faces, I recognize that they are sexually attractive. Swedish girls have the best attributes (boobs and ass if they are not fat, again serbian tight dress might play in their favor) and have probably the best faces when they are 9 or 10 but there is not that many of them and the average is lower. Danish girls are like men and unfeminine but they have good thin bodies and if they decide to dress up to go out they have very tight dress on their thin slender bodies and in general have cute and beautiful faces. Latvians I don't know enough about them but I was not impressed at all in Riga even though one my best looking friend is Latvian. Finally, I didn't meet enough russian in Montenegro and could not tell if they were serbs or russians but those I met were slightly above average, tiny, petite, not intimidating at all but pleasant girls that were feminine and dressed well, feminine but not like prostitutes.
(I forgot to mention on the previous post, tallest girls from tallest to tiniest were Lithuanians, Czech, Hungarians, Polish, Estonians)
(This post was last modified: 12-16-2015 12:10 AM by MrRoundtree.)
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