Post: #1

I am debating different alternatives of what to do with my winter (November-March).

I am in my early 30's, South American and a video/photography entrepreneur.

I live in Mallorca for 3 years now and although work (mostly in summer) will likely continue to drag me back here, I really want to change my main living place. Reasons? Mallorca is socially boring and substandard. Specially in winter.
I wanted to "escape" already last winter, one year ago. Found excuses to stay. Ended up boring and un-stimulating to stay.
I am quite friend-less here and women wise I get occasional tourists and girls crashing my couch and renting my extra room.

I want:
To have a place to elaborate further my internet businesses
To game beautiful young women
To not spend more than 1000 euro a month
To meet RVForum members and other entrepreneurs. I feel isolated atm.

I have 3 places in consideration for this winter. I will try to list the reasons pulling me towards each.

1) SEA
I have been wishing to go here for some time. I been in HK for 3 days once coming form Australia back to Europe and had fun. Intrigued with the culture, food and people.
I have a friend in Singapore now, and I can use that place as a base. I would not stay long there, but go to Chiang Mai and other spots to meet likeminded people and continue developing some internet business I have going.

Positives:
Interesting potential contacts and friendships
Novel cultural experiences
Rekindle my yelow fever.
Summer weather
Meeting RVforum members.

Negatives:
Vacation? I dont need that.

2) Granada Spain
"Como Granada no hay nada" (Like Granada there is nothing)
Thats a common saying in Spain.
University town and also with lots of tourism. I could work there during winter a bit and enjoy the place. I have visited for a week a few years ago.

Positives:
Easy.
Cheap.
I can just drive there with my stuff.

Negatives:
Cold in winter.
Spanish girls have a great ass(which I love) but I have little luck with them. Maybe its Mallorca, which sports a really closed culture. I am told Andalucia and specially Granada will be a different thing. Some experiences indicate that is true-

3) EE
I have had my first trip to Poland this year and loved the sweet girls.
I would like to visit Ukraine and most places in Central Europe.

Negatives:
Winter = cold there
Likely not working but travelling and gaming full time
Vacation? My life is like a vacation already

Positives:
I am a sucker for big ass blondes.
Meeting RVforum members

Post: #2

For 1K Euros/month in the winter, SEA would be your best bet. Warm, nice beaches, easy to get around and fun and sexy girls. MNL, BKK, Jakarta or Saigon for example. Big cities, good hubs for traveling, tons of nightlife and tons of hot girls. 1K Euros may be a bit tight to really enjoy it and have the most fun. Make it 2k/month and you'll be having a ball.

EE would be too cold at that time of the year.

If you're goal is to network with other entrepreneurs, then Chiang Mai and Saigon are where you want to be! Followed closely by Guangzhou/Shenzen if you're into import/export. BKK is also a good hub for biz/entrepreneurs with a decent startup scene. So is Davao in the Philippines.

Btw, tell us more about Mallorca and Granada, I'm very curious about Spain! Dale muchacho!

Post: #3

From what I've heard there's plenty of Erasmus students in Granada so you can also game british, dutch, polish girls etc in case you don't have any luck with the locals. Where in Poland did you go in the past? Wroclaw has a cool young vibe, if you don't mind the cold it would be a great place and it would be more of a change than going to Granada (staying in Spain). I'ts also cheap, you can easily live there for 1k/mont.

Post: #4

A general rule for game is stay away from Southern Europe unless you want absolute misery. The place is full of entitled medicore women with cuntish personalities and a low ROI. Low quality goods at a high price. Although there are some trivial differences, Southern Spain will present you with essentially the same you have seen in Baleares. It is like comparing Italian girls to Greek girls, there are some minor differences but they coincide in the fact that they suck.

SEA or EE is your best bet, but if you are a coloured South American you may be met with some resistance in the FSU. Central European countries with more of an EU influence will be more accepting of racial differences.

Post: #5

What is the deal with Greek and Italian girls? They take forever to put out?

Post: #6

(08-31-2014 01:45 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  For 1K Euros/month in the winter, SEA would be your best bet. Warm, nice beaches, easy to get around and fun and sexy girls. MNL, BKK, Jakarta or Saigon for example. Big cities, good hubs for traveling, tons of nightlife and tons of hot girls. 1K Euros may be a bit tight to really enjoy it and have the most fun. Make it 2k/month and you'll be having a ball.

EE would be too cold at that time of the year.

If you're goal is to network with other entrepreneurs, then Chiang Mai and Saigon are where you want to be! Followed closely by Guangzhou/Shenzen if you're into import/export. BKK is also a good hub for biz/entrepreneurs with a decent startup scene. So is Davao in the Philippines.

Btw, tell us more about Mallorca and Granada, I'm very curious about Spain! Dale muchacho!

Middle of the night in Baleares (Mallorca). This decision is spinning in my head non stop.

SEA Asia definitely scored extra points in this decision for good weather, specially against the EE option. I have gotten used to being tanned all year. I feel Spain is spoiling me in many ways.

For girls, I am much more experienced in EE women, which I really like. I had only one Taiwanese girl, which was beautiful but a westernized bitch.

I am thinking that Granada is my "lazy" option (with good potential in long term) and SEA or EE my challenge or uncomfortable options (much more unknowns and potential of becoming a vacation I do not need)
I also own lots of stuff that would want to get rid and sell if choosing EE or SEA for 3-4 months.

VP, What do you want to know about Spain specifically?
For me Spain makes me lazy. Its quite easy life here.
Definitely not a great place in terms of ROI for local women. The best part are the abundance of tourists and easiness of travel to much better spots ,which in turn allows girls to come also to visit.

My work objective this winter is to set up an alternate income stream in the internet, using my current photo/video niche.

Post: #7

(08-31-2014 04:40 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  From what I've heard there's plenty of Erasmus students in Granada so you can also game british, dutch, polish girls etc in case you don't have any luck with the locals. Where in Poland did you go in the past? Wroclaw has a cool young vibe, if you don't mind the cold it would be a great place and it would be more of a change than going to Granada (staying in Spain). I'ts also cheap, you can easily live there for 1k/mont.

Yes, Granada is a student town. Definitely lots of Erasmus exchange students. I do get those girls, but I am becoming older for them.
Its a really cool place, lots of good music, good food, good weather, beautiful place and cheap too.

I am attracted to Granada game wise because its student population and more cultural tourism than Mallorca, that means more sophisticated girls coming visiting the city. Also Masters/Phd women abound.

I visited Poznan and Krakow in May. Very good, short and rainy visit.

I lived in Sweden before Spain and I experienced many cold winters. I do not suffer them a great deal, still the whole darkness and coldness is not something I would go for intently. Its still a -

Writing this in a summer night in the middle of the mediterranean with +30C . As I said, Spain spoils you (in basically everything except women)

Post: #8

(08-31-2014 06:36 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  A general rule for game is stay away from Southern Europe unless you want absolute misery. The place is full of entitled medicore women with cuntish personalities and a low ROI. Low quality goods at a high price. Although there are some trivial differences, Southern Spain will present you with essentially the same you have seen in Baleares. It is like comparing Italian girls to Greek girls, there are some minor differences but they coincide in the fact that they suck.

SEA or EE is your best bet, but if you are a coloured South American you may be met with some resistance in the FSU. Central European countries with more of an EU influence will be more accepting of racial differences.

Its a good rule for the most part. Still, for a spanish speaker that makes its money locally and in tourism related services, its hard to beat living here. I am developing internet income this winter to reduce this "dependence".

Women in Spain can be VERY hot, I would even say that the average is high here. But everything about them except for looks is a disaster.
Not elegant, entitled, stupid, spoiled, etc.

I am white, from a temperate country in South America.

Post: #9

You need to make up your mind and choose what you want you really want to do.
Asking other people might influence you to do things you don't want.

All these places are good. It's just a matter of choice.

Post: #10

(08-31-2014 11:05 PM)Chaos Wrote:  You need to make up your mind and choose what you want you really want to do.
Asking other people might influence you to do things you don't want.

All these places are good. It's just a matter of choice.

Hey, I agree. I do accept its my responsibility, but I want to share the options here to get input from other people.
I appreciate your thinking.

Thruth is I am quite isolated here, in the way that no-one here has the same challenges, possibilities and choices I have.
I have no like-minded friends, family, nothing. I have been clashing lately against people, so much stupidity going on.....
I am so glad this forum exists and I am not alone in wanting to be free and enjoy life.

Post: #11

^ I know that feeling.
Don't believe that finding this forum is the golden city of Zen and all your issues in life will be solved. Just because one person is a RVF member it doesn't mean you will connect and have a good vibe with him. Doesn't mean he's a bad guy but some people we connect with and some people not. You need to approach guys more than women to make good friends.
We all think differently and sometimes it's easy to get dissapointed with people around you.
Happens to me all the time. It sucks to feel isolated.
But it feels good when you meet people you connect easily with.

If you have problems to connect and vibe with people where you are now, you will most likely encounter the same problems in your next destination. People are not so different.
It's about mindset.

Post: #12

(08-31-2014 11:24 PM)Chaos Wrote:  ^ I know that feeling.
Don't believe that finding this forum is the golden city of Zen and all your issues in life will be solved. Just because one person is a RVF member it doesn't mean you will connect and have a good vibe with him. Doesn't mean he's a bad guy but some people we connect with and some people not. You need to approach guys more than women to make good friends.
We all think differently and sometimes it's easy to get dissapointed with people around you.
Happens to me all the time. It sucks to feel isolated.
But it feels good when you meet people you connect easily with.

If you have problems to connect and vibe with people where you are now, you will most likely encounter the same problems in your next destination. People are not so different.
It's about mindset.

Certainly, I do not see this forum as any of that you mention.

Will take a few days this week to figure things out.

Post: #13

Hey man,

My 2 cents. I have lived in Seville for the past 15+ years (am an entrepreneur, with somewhat of an independent location lifestyle...not 100%). Granada has always seemed to me to be a BIT more open than Seville...but that's not saying much. If you thought people were closed minded in Mallorca, you ain't seen nothing yet! Again, I am speaking about Seville and not Granada per se, but if Seville is super closed minded, I can only imagine about Granada.

I suppose the plus is that you have a lot of students in Granada, which might be your saving grace (depending on your age). I always enjoy reading the posts here and seeing guys put up photos of girls....even the ones I saw from the Budapest thread recently. I am not hyping, but you can see these kinds of girls EVERYWHERE in a city like Seville. Tons of them, short shorts, whorish outfits, beautiful golden skin, great bodies, ...Nowhere will you see such ratios as the bars and clubs here. There is no such word as sausagefest here. I get sick walking around the streets here looking at all this trim.

Talking to them is another story. I have a good friend from here, who now lives in Madrid. Every time he comes back to Seville, he tells me it's like coming back to a village that never changes. Groups are super impossible to break into here. People are just not curious at all...they are content to do the same exact thing every week, with the same exact friends from birth. Sound like Mallorca? It's frustrating, but it is what it is. I am lucky to be able to travel, and that's what I do.

You can have a good lifestyle here in the fact that it's relatively cheap, good food, sunshine, sports, great eye candy, etc...So I just basically work my ass off here, make money, stay in shape, and then blow it out on my trips. Another way of looking at things? Consider the lifestyle you can have here vs. other cities, and then just think about doing your damage when you travel. It's only frustrating to the point that you let it be. You have to accept it and just change your mindset. Or fight...get out there and try to meet some of these girls. God knows...somebody is banging them!

For guys who want some eye candy, a great website in Spain for club photos is http://www.tilllate.es. Go to photos and jerk away.

Post: #14

You can definitely not live on 1000 EUR in HK or Singapore. But those two don't really count as what people talk about when they mention SEA so I wonder, do you actually want to live in those places, or in real SEA? So Vietnam, Thailand, whatever.

Anyway, Granada is fantastic. But it gets crazy hot in summer and insanely cold at night in winter. And Andalusians are extremely cliquish. If you think Mallorca is bad, you have not seen anything yet. For Andalusians it's normal to never leave your hometown or city for your whole life. Family is everything. People stick to the same friends. But you are fluent in Spanish and there's also tons of exchange students, so there's that.

For a cheap, sunny seaside location in Europe I would also recommend Malta. It's a tiny place, but beautiful, best weather in Europe all year, fantastic swimming and diving and the local culture is more open. But it's not for everyone.

Post: #15

(09-01-2014 07:48 AM)atlant Wrote:  You can definitely not live on 1000 EUR in HK or Singapore. But those two don't really count as what people talk about when they mention SEA so I wonder, do you actually want to live in those places, or in real SEA? So Vietnam, Thailand, whatever.

Anyway, Granada is fantastic. But it gets crazy hot in summer and insanely cold at night in winter. And Andalusians are extremely cliquish. If you think Mallorca is bad, you have not seen anything yet. For Andalusians it's normal to never leave your hometown or city for your whole life. Family is everything. People stick to the same friends. But you are fluent in Spanish and there's also tons of exchange students, so there's that.

For a cheap, sunny seaside location in Europe I would also recommend Malta. It's a tiny place, but beautiful, best weather in Europe all year, fantastic swimming and diving and the local culture is more open. But it's not for everyone.

I am thinking on a 2nd scouting mission late September to Granada.

Anecdotical Map
Easiness of women in Spain
Blue + difficult
Red - difficult
http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/53/28/08...o1-500.jpg

Post: #16

What is the best option for a short Xmas / New Year's 8 night break from London ?

I'm tossing up between Budapest and Canary Islands

Budapest - cold, love this city, has warm bathes

Canaries - annoying English family hordes, warm, Sun

Post: #17

(09-01-2014 11:06 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  What is the best option for a short Xmas / New Year's 8 night break from London ?

I'm tossing up between Budapest and Canary Islands

Budapest - cold, love this city, has warm bathes

Canaries - annoying English family hordes, warm, Sun

Dubai isn't an option?

Post: #18

(09-01-2014 11:06 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  What is the best option for a short Xmas / New Year's 8 night break from London ?

I'm tossing up between Budapest and Canary Islands

Budapest - cold, love this city, has warm bathes

Canaries - annoying English family hordes, warm, Sun

Lanzarote and Gran Canaria has quite a lot of Scandinavians there over xmas but I have experienced mixed weather at that time.

Post: #19

I concur with most of what is being said on this thread about spanish women. The quality is there but social circles can mean everything.

You say you like EE women, so I'd just go to Poland and stay there longer since you mention you only visited for a short time. I can't say about other cities but in Wroclaw there's no problems with meeting new people and girls, social circle is of minimal importance here.

Post: #20

I'm going for Budapest again. City is too good to pass up on. Temp is 0-4 during Dec , that's not too bad for a European winter.

It's £192 return from London vs £550+ for cheapest Canary Island.

If I'm cold I'll go to hot baths

Post: #21

(09-01-2014 07:48 AM)atlant Wrote:  For a cheap, sunny seaside location in Europe I would also recommend Malta. It's a tiny place, but beautiful, best weather in Europe all year, fantastic swimming and diving and the local culture is more open. But it's not for everyone.

Malta in the winter months - January through March - is excellent outdoors, on and off. Inside, however, it is a different story.

Night life and indoors by day, it is a problem widely complained about by expats: needing heat, the construction is loose for summer ventilation - so that can be expensive and require much layering of clothes. Walls are often very thick, resisting warming.

Those from Northern climates complain about the penetrating cold because of the high humidity in 15C degree temps.

Post: #22

SEA is out.
I dont feel enthusiastic about it. Maybe I have sweat too much in Spain this summer.

I will go to Poland and EE and then back to Spain.

Where to in Spain?
Either Barcelona or Andalusia +1

Post: #23

(09-09-2014 05:56 AM)GauchoNomade Wrote:  SEA is out.
I dont feel enthusiastic about it. Maybe I have sweat too much in Spain this summer.

I will go to Poland and EE and then back to Spain.

Where to in Spain?
Either Barcelona or Andalusia +1

Remember that Poland is mostly R-selected.

This means that you should be going in with an ONS pump-n-dumpish mentality rather than an LTR mentality.

Adjust your destination in accordance to your needs. A general rule is that Central Europe and all of Eastern Europe within the EU is R-selected and therefore mostly for somewhat (there will still be resistance) one-time bangs with relatively pleasant girls (I say mostly because aprox. 25% of bangs will turn in relationships, but many girls, probably most of them, will disappear on you after sex). If this is is what you want, great. FSU is for relationships (short - mid term), there will be a strong emphasis on the "love" component, girls will take 3-5 dates to put out, but none of them will disappear after sex, you have a 100% bang -> relationship conversion rate.

Pick the place you want to go based on what your objectives are. Very important point when choosing a destination.